Good day, and welcome everyone to Lockheed Martin 4th Quarter and Full Year 2012 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Jerry Kircher, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, please go ahead.
Thank you, Karen, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to our Q4 2012 earnings conference call. Joining me today on the call are Marillyn Hewson, our Chief Executive Officer and President I'm Bruce Tanner, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I remind you that statements made in today's call that are not historical fact are considered forward looking statements and or may pursue Safe Harbor provisions of federal securities law. Actual results may differ.
Please see today's press release and our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to vary materially from anticipated results. We have posted charts on our website today that we plan to address during the call to supplement our comments. Please access our website at www.lockheedmartin.com and click on the Investor Relations link to view and follow the charts. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Marilyn.
Thanks, Jerry. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. I hope you've all had a good start to the New Year. Before I begin, I want to say
it is a pleasure to
be here on my first earnings call and I look forward to working with you going forward. I hope you've had a chance to review our press release outlining 4th quarter and full year results. I am extraordinarily pleased and proud of our Lockheed Martin team. We have continued to achieve strong program execution and focus in a challenging environment. These efforts enabled the corporation to achieve exceptional operational and financial results in 2012.
Let me begin with a brief summary of 2012. Strong order bookings in the 4th quarter resulted in our achieving a record annual level of Almost $49,000,000,000 in new business awards from domestic and international customers. Noteworthy awards included $4,400,000,000 on the F-thirty 5 Joint Strike Fighter Program for additional production activities $2,000,000,000 for 2 additional spacecraft on the Advanced EHF Military Communications Program for the Air Force and $800,000,000 for additional Patriot 3 missile defense components for the U. S. Government and Taiwan.
These new orders enabled us to finish 2012 with a record backlog of over of over $82,000,000,000 Our backlog of work provides a solid foundation for the future and is a direct indicator of the close alignment of our portfolio of products with customers' strategic priorities and requirements even in today's demanding fiscal Climate. Other record performance levels for the corporation included growing our earnings per share from continuing operations to $8.36 the highest EPS level we have ever achieved, increasing our segment operating profit to almost $5,600,000,000 $300,000,000 above the 2011 level, expanding our segment operating margin to a record 11.8%, An increase of 40 basis points above the 2011 level and growing our sales to over $47,000,000,000 despite a challenging budget environment. These achievements reflect our commitment to affordability as our team drives for increased efficiencies and improved execution for our customers. We also continue to implement our cash deployment strategy to generate value to shareholders through dividend payments and share repurchases. In the Q4, we paid $373,000,000 in dividends and repurchased $286,000,000 in shares.
These actions brought our full year total for cash return to shareholders to $2,400,000,000 reflecting dividend payments of $1,400,000,000 and share repurchases of $1,000,000,000 In addition to the cash returns in 2012, we generated 20% total shareholder return achieved by stock price appreciation and dividend yield. These results reflect the quality of our workforce, The strength of the corporation and the focus we all have on delivering value to our customers and shareholders. Thanks to everyone in the company for their and contributions in driving these strong achievements. In addition to these results, we also continued our strategic acquisitions under our string of pearls strategy with the purchase of 2 businesses in the quarter. Both of these acquisitions expand our offerings in support of our customers' increased emphasis on advanced unmanned systems and are consistent with our goal to maintain a portfolio of technology advanced options that will generate value for customers and shareholders.
The first acquisition was for Chandler May, a company that specializes in the design, manufacturing and support of unmanned aerial systems. The second acquisition was for CDL Systems, a software engineering firm that specializes in the development and licensing of Vehicle control software for unmanned systems. These purchases follow our acquisition following our acquisition early in 2012 of PERSERIS Technologies and will be part of our Mission Systems and Training business, where they will be integrated into our growing portfolio of unmanned systems and technologies. Turning now to operational performance. Our 5 business areas continue to execute with exceptional skill and focus and providing critical products and services to customers.
While the quarter contained numerous accomplishments across the enterprise, I'd like to highlight 2 unprecedented successes in the ballistic missile defense test arena. First, 4 of our 5 business areas provided equipment and support in the first ever integrated ballistic missile defense test of the Aegis, Patriot and THAAD Systems. These systems work together to successfully detect, track and we have successfully deployed multiple ballistic missile and cruise missile targets in a live fire test. This operational test was conducted by soldiers, we have launched sailors and airmen from multiple combatant commands and demonstrated the maturity and reliability of these essential missile defense systems. It also demonstrated the benefits of layered interoperable missile defense solutions that can provide protection to the U.
S. And allies Against the increasing proliferation of ballistic missiles. With the proven reliability and capabilities of our Aegis, Patriot and THAAD systems, We look forward to growing domestic and international customer demand for our missile defense systems. The second significant ballistic missile defense This event was achieved by our medium extended air defense system or MEADS successfully tracking and intercepting a target in its first ever intercept flight test. NEADS is a next generation air and missile defense system that incorporates full perimeter 360 degree defense and provides 8 times the coverage area of current legacy systems, while dramatically reducing operational and support cost.
With this intercept demonstrating the maturity, next generation capabilities and cost effectiveness of MEAD, we urge Congress to provide future funding for the program. Moving to the F-thirty 5 Joint Strike Fighter program, our aeronautics team continued their momentum in this quarter through significant advances on the development program and achieving an increasing tempo on production programs. On the development program, key achievements included accomplishment of test flights for the year that were 18% ahead of goal and accomplishment of test points for the year that were 10% ahead of the goal. The aircraft also surpassed 5,000 flight hours and achieved the 1st aerial weapons release for CTOL and STOVAL aircraft And maximum high angle of attack flight on CTAL aircraft. In addition to the test flight success, I had the pleasure to attend the official delivery ceremony of the 1st operational Stonewall aircraft to Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Arizona in November.
The ceremony marked the handover of the jets to the service and with the receipt of these aircraft, the base will start tactical operational training on this critical asset
for the
Marine Corps. Also in the area of training, the 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base completed the requirements allowing their wing to begin pilot training in 2013. These events in Arizona and Florida demonstrate the increasing tempo and maturity of the training programs as we work to get these assets to the services. Turning to production activities. We continue to make progress on our production tempo with delivery of 13 aircraft in the 4th quarter.
This brought our full year deliveries to 30 aircraft, more than double the aircraft deliveries achieved in 2011. Significant contractual progress was also achieved this quarter with completion of negotiations on the LRIP V contract, Award of an undefinitized contract action in LRIPVI and long lead for LRIPVI. These contracts provide significant stability to the program as we work with our partners to provide these critical aircraft to domestic and international customers. These latest contract awards bring our F-thirty 5 production backlog at year end to 88 aircraft. Our maturing production line, operational based standup and expanded pilot training are all strong indicators of the F-thirty five program's positive trajectory.
Beyond the operational program accomplishments, we continue to take additional actions to drive affordability across the corporation and to increase customer alignment. Along with the previously announced reorganization of our Electronic Systems business area into 2 new business areas, Missiles and Fire Control At Mission Systems and Training, effective December 31, 2012, we also announced consolidation of several corporate functions at our headquarters designed to streamline and tighten the corporate staff. These actions will improve collaboration and coordination across the enterprise, increase efficiency and achieve greater synergy. It will also focus us on the actions we will best position the company for success and growth in a demanding and dynamic environment. I'd like to turn now to the status of DoD budgets are operating under a continuing resolution through at least March 27 for FY2013 with funding constrained to prior FY 2012 levels.
This limitation will cause funds to run short in some accounts and will continue last year's dated priorities that don't necessarily reflect the new defense strategy. Because of this and other limitations associated with the full year CR, we are strongly urging Congress to pass the defense appropriations bill in March and not extend the CR for the remainder of the year. The second area of budget uncertainty is associated with the pending threat of sequestration or automatic budget cuts. Since our October call, some encouraging action was undertaken by Congress and the White House To avoid implementation of these across the board budget reasons, in early January, the President signed legislation the deferred implementation of approximately $1,200,000,000,000 in automatic federal budget reductions for 2 months until March 1. However, if sequestration is allowed to happen on March 1, it still would result in cuts of $500,000,000,000 each in defense and non defense accounts over 9 years.
For defense, that's an additional $500,000,000,000 in cuts beyond the $487,000,000,000 already imposed by the Budget Control Act of 2011. While we recognize that both parties are strongly opposed to allowing sequestration to happen, we remain deeply concerned that sequestration could occur as the default outcome If negotiations fail to produce an agreement. As the Joint Chiefs of Staff just explained in a powerful January 14 letter, Sequestration not only puts at risk our defense industrial base, it also harms military readiness and would quickly hollow out our military forces. In the weeks ahead, we'll continue to work with our government leaders to encourage a more effective solution to our nation's fiscal challenges. Despite the continuing uncertainty on U.
S. Defense budgets, it is absolutely clear there is a growing need for security solutions in a challenging global landscape. Events this past quarter, such as the successful North Korean multi stage missile launch, coupled with the continued rise in China's military strength, ongoing instability in the Middle East And the expansion of terrorist activity in Africa only highlight the complexity and volatility embedded in the mission of maintaining global security. Our portfolio of products and capabilities remain in direct alignment with this global security mission, and we look forward to helping domestic and international customers secure solutions to their most critical defense and security requirements. While no one can precisely predict the impacts of sequestration or events that will unfold in the global security environment, there is only there is one thing I know for certain.
Every one of our 120,000 employees stands ready to take on whatever challenges emerge. Focusing internally, I want to reiterate the priorities that I have reinforced with the team since assuming my new role as CEO. These priorities are consistent and unchanged from those that I helped formulate as a member of the Executive Office and working with Bob Stevens in my prior role. I thought it useful to outline those priorities on the call today. My direction to our team is to grow the business With key drivers being fighter fleet recapitalization from the F-thirty 5, missile defense in Aegis, THAAD and Patriot, Cargo aircraft fleet expansion with C5M and C-130J, with world combat ships fleet expansion and C4ISR, achieve higher levels of program performance and execution excellence to satisfy customer requirements and provide financial returns to shareholders pursue a strategy to secure and expand our core business and expand into closely aligned adjacent markets such as cybersecurity grow international revenues to at least 20% of total corporate sales in the next few years.
Continue to return at least 50% of annual free cash to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases invest for growth through innovation, product evolution and strategic acquisitions under our string of pearls strategy. Finally, and importantly, continue our strong focus on talent development and employee engagement. I believe achievement of these priorities will enable our corporation to continue to provide superior performance to our customers and shareholders as we move forward. Before I ask Bruce to give you some color and details on our performance, I want to highlight 2 organizational changes approved by our Board yesterday. First, Joanne McGuire, Executive Vice President of our Space Systems Business, Advised of her plan to retire from our company after a distinguished career.
Since taking over the leadership role at Space Systems in 2,006, she has grown the business while streamlining the cost structure for our customers and expanding returns to shareholders. Under her leadership and drive for innovation, Space Systems achieved a remarkable track record of mission success and continues to provide a broad array of advanced technology systems for national security, civil and commercial customers. Effective April 1, Rick Ambrose will assume responsibilities as Executive Vice President of our Space Systems Business, replacing Joanne. Rick brings over 33 years of experience in the Aerospace and Defense Industry and has currently been serving as Vice President and Deputy for Space Systems reporting to Joanne. Rick's varied background within Space Systems, leading our intelligence business in IS and GS And his leadership roles in our former Mission Systems and Sensors business will be extremely valuable experience as he moves the space we will take business forward for our customers and employees.
Secondly, Linda Goodin, Executive Vice President of Information Systems and Global Solutions has also advised of her plan to retire after more than 32 years with the corporation. Linda assumed a leadership role at IS and GS in 2007 and has managed over 30,000 professionals to provide integrated information technology solutions, systems and support for worldwide missions to civil defense, intelligence and other government customers. Her customer knowledge and leadership have been key catalysts enabling IS and GS to maintain its leading position as the largest IT provider to the U. S. Government for the past 18 years.
Effective April 1, Saundra Barber will assume responsibilities as Executive Vice President of IS and GS replacing Linda. Saundra is currently serving as our Senior Vice President, Enterprise Business Services and Chief Information Officer for the corporation. As CIO, Sandra is responsible for leading our internal IT operations, including the protection of ours and our customers' infrastructure and information from cyber threats. She was also instrumental in defining and launching our new government and commercial cybersecurity business. Shandra's knowledge of IT Systems coupled with 20 years experience in IS and GS, where she served in Program Management and as CIO and Vice President of Operations demonstrated her strong leadership and track record that have prepared her well for her new role to lead IS and GS.
Both Joanne and Linda have had exceptional careers and are an exceptional executive in every respect through their dedication and professionalism and I really want to thank them for their leadership and service to the corporation over their careers. These retirements and their succession by proven leaders highlight why we've invested so much energy and time in our talent management and leadership development programs. Our succession planning process is vitally important to the future of the corporation and provides the outstanding cadre of highly qualified executives ready to assume additional responsibilities and take our business forward. Both Rick and Sandra represent the depth and breadth of talent in our company and bring proven leadership track records. Each has decades of experience are gained by working in diversified assignments.
They are leaders who have built superb teams in prior assignments and I look forward to their ongoing contributions as they assume their new roles. I'll now ask Bruce to go through some of the details of our performance and then we'll open up the line for questions.
Bruce? Thanks, Marilyn, and good afternoon, everyone. As I highlight our key financial accomplishments, please follow along with the web charts we included with our earnings release today. Let's start with Chart 3 and an overview of the year. We grew sales for the year to $47,200,000,000 exceeding the guidance that we provided in October.
I'll discuss sales in greater detail in the next few charts. We increased our segment operating margin to 11.8% or 40 basis points higher our 2011 margin, earnings per share were $8.36 We generated $1,600,000,000 in cash operations after making $3,600,000,000 of pension contributions. I'll explain the reasons for the additional contribution amount in subsequent charts. And our backlog finished very strong at over $82,000,000,000 We had said throughout 2012 that we expected backlog to end the We're going to end the year at about the same level as we began. This obviously exceeded our expectations.
Chart 4 shows our sales trend for the past 4 years. Dollars 47,200,000,000 represents the highest level of sales in our history I'm pleased that we've been able to grow about 8% since 2009, a period with significant economic and budgetary pressures. Moving to chart 5 and looking at our new alignment of 5 business areas. 3 of our 5 business areas grew sales during the year, including MST, Aeronautics and Space, while Missiles and Fire Control sales were comparable to 2011. As expected, IS and GS showed a reduction in sales versus 2011, reflecting both the overall decline in the federal IT budget And the effects of the continuing resolution in the 4th quarter.
Turning to Chart 6 and segment operating results. We grew consolidated segment operating profit by over $300,000,000 with 1 quarter of the growth due to the higher sales volume mentioned previously. The remaining increase results from the 40 basis point margin improvement to 11.8%, reflecting the strong performance and proactive cost measures taken during the year. So turn to chart 7. You see each of the business areas margins in 2012 compared with 2011.
3 of our 5 business areas improved margins in the year, including Aeronautics, MST and Missiles and Fire Control. And space was comparable to the prior year, reflecting the breadth of our execution and cost improvement actions. On Adjusted earnings per share for the year, we grew EPS by more than 6% over the 20.11 amount and this represents The first time we've exceeded the $8 per share level. Our pension adjusted EPS grew to just below $10 per share. On Chart 9, we'll reconcile our actual 2012 EPS versus our last guidance range.
In October, We gave our EPS guidance of $8.20 to $8.40 resulting in a midpoint of $8.30 per share. Our 4th quarter results yielded $150,000,000 more in segment operating profit than was contemplated in EPS midpoint, resulting in a $0.31 improvement. We had other items that reduced EPS by $0.25 including a non operational tax item were $0.18 and special item in the quarter related to headcount reductions in our Aeronautics business that was worth $0.05 Overall, the 4th quarter changes netted to the $0.06 increase over our October midpoint guidance. The non operational tax item was due to our $2,500,000,000 discretionary pension contribution in the 4th quarter, which caused our taxable income to be lower than the level planned in the 1st 3 quarters of the year. This required a true up in the 4th quarter, Reducing the manufacturing deduction for the year and lowering EPS by $0.18 Future years taxable income will be higher as is a result of the accelerated pension contributions into 2012 and we expect to capture most of the reduced manufacturing deduction over the next 2 years.
We made the contributions for several reasons. First, with the possibility of corporate tax reform, This contribution locks in our pension deduction at the current statutory rate of 35%. And should the rate be reduced to 25% as has been discussed, this benefit will be worth $250,000,000 2nd, earlier contributions to our pension plans allow the assets to grow quicker, also lowering future required contributions. Next, we had the cash on hand to make the contributions, which otherwise would yield minimal interest income. And finally, the acceleration in the 2012 increases operating cash in the future, providing a fairly quick Payback in a very low interest rate environment.
Chart 10 shows our operating cash results prior to the discretionary pension contribution. Our guidance in October was that our cash from operations would be greater than or equal to $4,000,000,000 Prior to the pension contribution, our Cash from operations was $4,100,000,000 slightly higher than expected. On Chart 11, we'll discuss our backlog trends for the past few years. We've grown our backlog since 2009 by $5,000,000,000 more than our sales growth over the same timeframe And the $82,300,000,000 at year end 2012 represents our highest ever backlog level. As you can see, our book to bill ratio has exceeded 1.0 in each of the last 3 years.
Chart 12 provides the assumptions embedded in our 2013 guidance. Importantly, our guidance for the year assumes a continuing resolution through the current date of March 27, and it does not assume that sequestration reductions are implemented. Our FASCAS pension adjustment of $485,000,000 is based on a 4% discount rate and long term asset return of 8% consistent with our assumptions in October. And our planned contribution level in 2013 is $1,500,000,000 equal to the level of CAS recovery in the year. The expected earnings from the $2,500,000,000 pension contribution reduces our 2013 TAS expense by $200,000,000 at the assumed 8% 2013 will include both the 20122013 benefit of the R and D tax credit legislation passed earlier this year.
As a result of that legislation being passed in January, the 2012 benefit will be recognized entirely in the Q1 as will 1 quarter of the 2013 credits. We expect this benefit to amount to $45,000,000 in the quarter and approximately $75,000,000 for the year. Finally, our guidance assumes share count remains flat with share repurchases offsetting the effects of option exercises and new issuances. Chart 13 provides our new outlook for 2013. Our sales for the year are consistent with our expectations when we last spoke in October, despite the significant increase in Q4 2012 sales.
Segment operating profit and the resulting margin are both higher than we indicated in October With the expectation that our strong performance in 2012 will carry over into 2013. EPS from continuing operations is expected to be between $8.80 $9.10 for the year and cash from operations is expected to be greater than or equal to $4,000,000,000 As for phasing in the year, we would expect sequential growth in our sales during the year with the Q1 being markedly lower than the next three quarters And about $1,000,000,000 lower than the Q1 of 2012 due primarily to lower aircraft quantities in our Aeronautics business. In the Q1, we expect to have 10 fewer F-16s, 6 fewer C-130s, no C-five deliveries and lower 22 volume as there were production deliveries in the Q1 last year and there are none this year. Margins are expected to be Fairly consistent by quarter in the mid-eleven percent range, but could obviously change depending on the timing of risk retirements. Cash should be strong in the Q1 with the benefit of the large tax refund as a result of the discretionary pension contribution And backlog will likely drop in the first quarter and first half of the year as orders are expected to be more heavily loaded in the second half of the year.
Chart 14 shows the guidance ranges for sales and segment operating profit by our business areas. Note that the reorganization of our Our former Electronic Systems business results in 2 nearly equally sized business areas in Missiles and Fire Control and Mission Systems and Training. And finally, we wrap up with our summary on Chart 15. 2012 was a strong year for us both operationally and financially. These results reflect the strong performance and proactive steps we've been taking for several years and our challenge is to continue that success into the future.
Our backlog positions us well and speaks to the alignment of our portfolio, the needs of our customers, and we're proud of the 20% Total return we provided our shareholders in 2012 and we stand ready to perform in 2013. With that, we're ready for your questions. Karen?
Our first question comes from the line of Jason Gerstein from Citi.
Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome, Marilyn. And Bruce, I wanted to, if it's okay, target this question to you and talk a little bit about Cash deployment. I think this big pension contribution that you made here during the quarter may have caught a few of us I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about whether you contemplated kind of letting us know that this was going to be coming and perhaps Why you didn't? And then also maybe just talk a little bit about long term capital deployment and what you see on the horizon with regard to the mix.
We just now had a big pension contribution. Does that take that off the table now for a number of years and we get a much more Steady stream of operating cash flow that can be used to deploy either back end of the business or back end to shareholders through repurchases and dividends.
Thanks, Jason. I think you got your money's worth on that question. So let's see where do I start. As for why we did at the end of the And why we didn't tell you and did we contemplate telling you? We did a fairly comprehensive study as far as pension analyses are concerned relative to our funding requirements, the expectations in the future, the sensitivity of our plans to asset Discount rate changes and the like, you may or may not be aware We actually sent out in the 4th quarter an offering to our terminated, but vested participants in the plan Offering to essentially give them lump sum payments in lieu of the pension payments over periods of time when they retired.
We got a fairly good return on that actually reducing some of the volatility in our liability associated with those individuals going forward. We were studying this issue right up until literally the end of Q4, Jason. And we were studying at the same time the prospects of what was going on in Washington relative to corporate tax reform. And we were speaking to the Board at that time saying, we think this might be sort of the confluence of a lot of different actions that should result And us potentially making a larger contribution for the pension plan in 2012 in order to, In my words, lock in the deduction at 35%. We do feel there's a strong possibility for corporate tax reform going forward.
We think that That number could be anywhere from a 25% to 28% rate as opposed to the current 35 And we very much wanted to, as I said earlier, lock in that rate. I walk through the very dynamics that I said in the prepared remarks relative to We're thinking that this is a very quick payback and the interest that we're earning on the cash on the balance sheet is probably about 20 basis points as we sit here today. So the acceleration occurs within a low interest rate period And we're getting low interest on the cash as it sits on the balance sheet currently. It did accelerate the tax deduction as we talked about earlier. And I like the fact that it also reduces the gap between pension adjusted and reported earnings, as I mentioned earlier as well.
We looked at this Jason and I'll just give you some stats here. So taking a look at 20 And then 13, one of the reasons we did the $2,500,000,000 is we looked at how much cash did we want to have left on the balance sheet And how much flexibility did we want to have going into 2013 to enable us to do the sorts of cash deployment activities we've done in years past. So in 2013, we're looking at $4,000,000,000 of operating cash. We're looking at Roughly $1,000,000,000 or so of capital expenditures, so $3,000,000,000 of free cash flow. We do have about 150 $1,000,000 debt retirement that we were going to do in the year 2013.
So think of that as contributing $850,000,000 sort of unencumbered of our free cash flow and we felt that That $850,000,000 plus the $1,900,000,000 on the balance sheet, so almost $2,800,000,000 was very adequate to continue to do the kind of Cash deployment that we've done in the past, I think a fair question would be so you guys have said You're not going to have share count increase. What's that level of share repurchase that you're counting on there? At least for our planning purposes, we're expecting about $700,000,000 of share repurchase activity in order to affect that. And that's Our estimate of how many options will be exercised in the year and also how many new issuances of stock will occur for executive compensation matching of our retirement plans and the like. So collectively, we think from a cash deployment Between the current dividend contributions that we'll have in 2013 of roughly $1,500,000,000 plus the 700,000,000 dollars of share repurchase embedded in our guidance that's $2,200,000,000 And as I said, I think we still have adequate flexibility on the balance And the unencumbered cash flow to remain opportunistic to do additional share repurchases or mergers or acquisition candidates Just in fact, they looked fine for us to make those acquisitions.
So kind of a long winded answer. I think the other side of it is, We don't see this as a change and I think Marilyn made those comments in her prepared remarks relative to our Long standing cash deployment practice of contributing at least 50% or more of free cash flow to our shareholders that is still our intent. And I think I said it earlier, but I'll close again. The reason for the timing was we literally didn't have this discussion until late in December with our Board of Directors before making this contribution. Have a long winded answer, Jason.
Sorry about that. Thank you.
And our next question comes from the line of Richard Safran from Buckingham Research.
Hi, good afternoon.
Hi, Rich.
Okay. I had a Question on IS and GS. You're guiding to 9% margins for the year. Given the margin pressure in this environment right now, can you discuss a little bit about what gives you the ability and confidence that you can sustain 9% margins? And also, maybe if you comment if this is being driven by your Cyber and Intelligence business.
Yes. Thanks, Rich. I'll take that one on as well. So if we look at IS and GS, I think we've made a very conscious decision and I've discussed this on previous calls. We've tried to differentiate ourselves somewhat in this market by focusing on what I'll call mission IT, where we're literally sort of Providing the embedded capabilities in large measure for our customers as opposed to what I'll call commodity IP and you think of that as Sort of back shop processing and the like help desks, those sorts of things where really we didn't see we've done that work in the But really we didn't see sort of a discriminator or a differentiator for Lockheed Martin in doing that work.
So we focus much more on the mission part of the IT service. That tends to be a higher margin part of the service activity in the IT world. So that's one thing that gives me the confidence that we can We'll continue to do that. As I look back, Rich, over the last probably 8 or 9 quarters, IS and GS has been 9% or the low 9% return on sales consecutively for those 8 or 9 quarters. So that gives me confidence again going into 2013 Tina, we can continue to do that.
You asked about the cyber. We're very excited about the cyber activity within IS and GS. We've had some very successful wins including taking some business away from some of our competitors within cyber. I believe we're the largest federal cyber provider in the industry and that work is very valued. That's very much in line with that mission IT that I talked about And that work as you would suspect supports that 9% margin as well.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Doug Harnett from Sanford Bernstein.
Good afternoon.
Hi,
Doug. I'd like to follow on Jason's question about cash deployment. If I look at the Last few years, particularly 2010 2011. And if you look at what I would call the cash yield to shareholders, So the net repurchase of shares plus dividend, you've been above 10%. And I think a lot of people found that They're very attractive.
Today, when you're looking forward for this year, we're basically at 5%, if you assume no net Share repurchases and about a 5% dividend yield. When you look out to 2014, 2015, How do you think about that? Do you think about it in terms of what the yield to shareholders would be? Is this a temporary period, we are handling a pension issue and then you may go up to, I would call, larger yields to shareholders in the future. How do you look at this?
Yes. Doug, I'll try that one as well. I don't I'll speak for myself and I think I speak for the Board. We don't go about selecting share repurchase amounts from What's additive to our dividend levels would get us to a certain level of Return on our shares or a certain level of return on our market cap, if you will. And that's just not the way we think about that.
We very much look at this as opportunistic. We've increased the obviously, the share or the dividend amount Considerably over the past few years to where that in and of itself essentially takes care of the 50% or more of free cash flow without any contribution of share repurchases. I think if you look at where our pension plan It is sitting from a funding perspective. To me, it's fairly obvious that you want to help that pension And get a higher level of funding. That's definitely a nearer term use of cash than maybe it was a few years ago with the rates going down.
I'll tell you that was very much part of the study that I mentioned in the discussion with Jason as to what is the appropriate amount to contribute to the pension versus The real life possibility that interest rates increase and actually get us into an overfunded situation. But we are certainly not abandoning our share repurchase Strategy, we want to remain optimistic. That's the reason I tried to give the color on the fact that we have lots of flexibility Not just this year, but you asked about 2014 2015 with growing cash as I expect to happen over the next few years. I think we'll have even greater flexibility in 2014 2015 than we do in 2013.
Thank you. And our question comes from the line of Peter Arment from Cern AG.
Yes. Good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon, Marilyn. Question, Bruce, I guess on the backlog. What's been impressive over the last few years with the defense pressure has been the your ability to kind of grow the backlog.
Can you kind of talk a little bit about how the backlog looks for 13 and what you need to see in terms of bookings at this second half of this year For international activity to kind of hold these levels, just given what we're going to see with sequestration kicking in? Thanks. Yes. Let me give you
a sort of Maybe a wide all encompassing orders and backlog response to the question, Peter. So Expectation wise, if I take a look at where we expect the orders for the year to end and where we are right now from a backlog perspective, I think we'll end the year close to the $80,000,000,000 level. We might not be able to replicate the $82,000,000,000 that's The highest level we ever have done, but I feel pretty good about being able to get to the $80,000,000,000 or so. This will be an interesting year. You've seen some of the correspondences Come out of the acquisition community relative to delaying some of the near term awards associated with continuing resolution in anticipation of sequestration.
So we're definitely expecting to have a significantly more loaded second half of the year than in the first half. So I would expect Each of the first two quarters to be below a 1.0 book to bill. I would expect the next 2 to be above a 1.0 book to bill. And I'll say we have a significant amount of international activity that we're counting on the year. I'll just rattle off a few of the orders that I think are important Both from a dollar perspective and maybe a strategic perspective.
And I'll ask Marilyn maybe to comment on some of the strategic ones as well. But We've got sort of near term think of these as first half. I hate to give quarters only because some of the delays that have occurred. The first half, we got the 2 LCS ships for the FI-thirteen order. We've got closure for the Lot 6 international aircraft for 5 aircraft.
We're hoping and our customer is hoping to definitize the Lot 6 and Lot 7 for F-thirty five negotiations in the first half of the year. I think an important one that I think is worth mentioning is we expect to get long lead funding for Lot 8 Of the F-thirty five program for some 48 aircraft, just the quantity alone versus the prior year's quantity is worth mentioning. Think of that as 29 domestic aircrafts and 19 international aircraft including 9 FMS, Foreign military sales outside of the 8 initial partners on the country on the buy excuse me. Strategically, there's some things to watch that aren't necessarily big dollar events, but they are strategically important to us. So The Aegis Combat Systems Engineering contract within our MST operation, think of this as next generation Aegis development for the capabilities there.
The KC-forty six train and the interesting thing about that is we're actually The only reason we're able to bid that frankly is because of the SIEM the acquisition of SIEM Industries last year that gives us some capabilities to do that training capability on the 767 Aircraft is the basis of the KC-forty six. We have the air missile defense radar, which is sort of the 1st generation air missile defense, as the name implies radar for surface combatants. 2nd half of the year, we have a couple of actually Vehicles 56 for the SIBRS contract, some THAAD UAD follow on production Lot 5 contract For the THAAD quarter and some bid orders we tend to get on kind of an annual basis, the fleet ballistic missile and next order of the RRP, somewhere in that mix internationally, we've got the C-one hundred and thirty to Saudi As well, we've got an Iraqi F-sixteen order for another batch of 18 aircraft we're hopeful for. And scattered throughout that our other smaller international business, I'd actually point out that in the year 2012, we did about 17% Sales at about 17% of orders on an international basis and that's Roughly what we're expecting in 2013, maybe a little bit higher in the orders as far as the total content of our orders in 2013.
So let me just add to that. We do have a strong focus on international growth in our growth portfolio. And so as Bruce it's listed off several items, but certainly there's continued strong demand for air and missile defense in the Middle East and Asia Pacific. And so we We expect to continue to see pull for PAC-three, FAD, the Aegis. And in addition to that, air mobility, F-sixteen, as Bruce has listed off several of those things that are out there that we're looking at, but we expect to grow our portfolio in the international side to at least 20% of our revenue in the next few years.
Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Myles Walton from Deutsche Bank.
Thanks. Good morning. Sorry, good afternoon by now. First one is a Bruce, is the $1,500,000,000 in 2013 discretionary or required? Because I would be surprised if it were required given the prefunding.
Yes. That's our plan level. Miles, I think the discretion or the required amount is less than that. Okay.
And you mentioned the Lot 8 quantities, 19 international, I guess, 9 of those being MMS, Japan or Israel are a combination of the 2, and then 10 partners. From a partner perspective, it's Obviously, good growth overall, but it seems like the partners are certainly slipping out to the right versus where they would have been 12 months ago in Lot 8. Is there upward mobility to the Lot8? Or is that kind of what the international partners look like? I guess, like about 12 months ago, I would have thought maybe that number would have been 30.
Now it sounds like it's 10. And then what does that vote for the next couple of months thereafter?
Yes. I'm trying to think of the 30 miles. I can't imagine the scenario that would have gotten us the 30 aircraft. I think the perhaps the number that you were thinking that might have been a little bit higher was The Turkish aircraft in Lot 8, they're now pushed out to the right. I think if we actually go back A couple of years, though, you would have seen fewer Israeli and fewer Japanese aircraft in there.
So that's actually helped to mitigate some of those Turkish aircraft at least in LA But that's something you asked about the flexibility. I wouldn't think we would see the orders bouncing around much if any from that level. Customers I will say this, we have ongoing conversations with our customers and they continue to look at the F-thirty 5 as we continue to perform. And I think that's the more we can do and demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft and show that capability to customers like South Korea for instance, the more this aircraft will sail in the future.
And I think as I talked about earlier in my remarks, We've made great progress on the program. It's maturing and we've the development process as well as the production ramping up. We've got 5000 hours on the aircraft. So we're committed to delivering an affordable aircraft and we're on plan actually remain ahead plan to the 2010 baseline that was put in place.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Joe Nadel from JP
Thanks. Good afternoon. This has been a very smooth transition thus far in terms of Leadership, Marilyn. But when I look at the I have the 2011 annual report in front of me and there are 9 folks in the picture, One of them is in his current seat, and that's the person next to you, Bruce. Everyone else has changed.
So my question is, in that context, you have a very smooth transition, all the plans sound the same, But the combination of all these people here must have very different ideas on how to do things, including you. So I'm wondering if you could list a Top 2 or 3 maybe that off the top of your head that in terms of how we think about the company what might change?
Well, we are all connected. This is a very tight team, this leadership team and that's why our succession plan has been So smooth and successful is that we have been operating to the same strategy for
a number of years and
the results demonstrate the strategy is working. We have a very experienced team of folks. And so even the ones that are moving into the new roles have been with Corporation for a number of years, they're all experienced executives and we spent a lot of time working together on making sure Sure, everyone does understand our strategy. So we in fact, in another week, we'll have the entire leadership team from across the corporation together To talk about our strategy for the coming year to build on that. So we've all worked together for a long time and We're not in the mode of changing the strategy that we have.
The our Board of Directors is directly involved in talent development and Succession planning process. In fact, as Joanne and Linda announced their intent to retire and we took that to the Board, We reflected back on our pipeline of talent with them and there was not even a hesitation on who would move into the next role. So We've been colleagues together with a tight leadership team for a number of years and it's a well planned transition process and I don't expect there There will be changes. We'll work together and deal with the environment that we're operating in and adapt to it.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Howard Rubel from Jefferies.
Thank you very much. I actually want to follow-up a little bit On sort of change in the environment that you see going forward and how you want to take advantage of that, Marilyn. In one case, you have Congress doing things like ring fencing MEADs. And in other cases, you have What I call low cost competitors trying to unseat a very reliable solution in ULA. How do you deal with those 2 competitive threats?
Well, as we any competitive threats we take into account the environment that we're operating in, I think we have a very strong portfolio And even MEADs, I think, is demonstrating success. The flight test that we had in November And the flight test we have planned through this year later this year, we're going to operate to. Our technologies and our innovation that we bring to the marketplace is is
the hallmark of this
corporation. And we are very much proactively focused on cost efficiencies and that's a critical discriminator for us as well. So this competition that we're dealing with is really not new to us at all. It's we're used to it. It's constant.
That's how we operate All the time, it is in a competitive environment and we'll continue to do so. So I don't find that as something that is a big change for us. We understand our competition. We understand the markets that we're operating in, and we're going to be we're going to excel in those markets.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of George Shapiro from Shapiro Research.
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Hey, George.
I'd like you to go through a little bit more detail Some of the moving parts in aeronautics. I mean like one of the things that's in the release is that the operating profit is about Comparable to 11 for the F-thirty 5 and the F-twenty 2, so the F-twenty 2 is down considerably from last year. F-thirty five has probably grown. So can you discuss kind of how much growth we saw in the F-thirty five? Where you are, if you change any of the booking rates on the margins, etcetera?
George, are you talking 2012 or are you talking 2013?
I was just reading from the release in terms of your analysis that The operating profit for the December quarter, there's a comment in there that operating profit was comparable to the same period in 2011 for F-thirty five contracts in the F-twenty two and sales were comparable as well, which says that the I would imply the F-thirty five profit must have gone up because you were booking lower on the F-thirty five than you were on the F-twenty two and we know the F-twenty two revenues are way down.
Yes. I think I'm looking for some more clarity. I think in the press release, and I don't have that in front of me, George, but I think what that's saying is that F-thirty five sales and F-thirty five profit this quarter are comparable to F-thirty five sales and F-thirty Five profit levels last year whereas F 'twenty two sales and profits are comparable to last year's quarter as well, not that 2 of them are comparable to each other if you follow.
Karen,
Karen, this is Jerry.
I know we're coming up on the hour, but because we have a number of people in the queue and with our sort of extended comments today, we'd like to go ahead and extend the call at least another
Our next question comes from the line of Carter Copeland from Barclays.
Hi, good afternoon. Welcome, Marilyn.
Thank you. Just
Wanted to ask quickly about the F-thirty 5. The commentary from your customer Last quarter before you signed the contract was that you were pretty far apart on terms, yet you closed that negotiation before the end of the year. And I wondered if you Comment on how you reached a conclusion there and what the implications are for the follow on negotiations from your As Bruce highlighted that there's several of the follow on lot negotiations that are sitting in front of you this year. Any color would be much appreciated.
Sure, Carter. Well, basically on the F-thirty five, what was important was for both sides to understand the cost structure of their positions. And so we had an opportunity to spend time with our customer and let them share with us how they viewed all the cost elements. We had an opportunity to likewise share that With them and I think through that process, we were able to come to a mutual understanding and get to a close the negotiation. And we reached a fair and yet challenging agreement.
And so it's not it wasn't I think it did take a little longer because we had a lot of time that we had to go through to for both sides to really That said, but it was nothing around the terms and conditions that drove that. It was really around the cost. So I think we're in a good Posture for Lot 67, we already have the undefinitized contract action under contract and we are in direct discussions right now At the program level on the lots 67 and the intent is to negotiate both of them together and get that done in the first half of the year. And our customers really need us to lean forward and make sure that we meet the challenges that they put in front of us and that we're taking cost out. So in addition to getting LRIP 5 negotiated and getting on with LRIP 6 and 7.
We are working very hard on taking cost out of our business and driving toward a more affordable product for them in all aspects of our business.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Rob Fingan from Credit Suisse.
Good afternoon. Question for Bruce,
and this is building on George's question on the On Aeronautics, but I would like to take you up on the 2013 part of that and ask if you could refresh us on the manifest by program Quantities, the margins you see for the major programs and in particular, if you could talk Just update us on the F-thirty 5, on the 36 aircraft, how we should think about which lots those are from and profitability on F-thirty 5 And 13 relative to 2012.
Yes. So Rob, you asked the question to me, so I'll answer it. So as we look at The 2013, I think I said on the October call, we're going to be down probably 10 C-one hundred and thirty aircrafts, so think of that. We did I believe 34 in 2012 and we'll do 24 or so in 20 The F-sixteen's 37 last year, about 13 this year. Think of that as really no change in the Aircraft deliveries from
the Fort
Worth line, all the change we're talking about there was the aircraft that were delivered off the Turkish So you won't see sort of cost fluctuations associated with that with the aircraft coming off the line in Fort Worth. C5, we talked and I know when we talked on the October call about the increased volume there. We ended up delivering 4. We actually delivered maybe an That we weren't exactly counting on delivering in 2012, but we ended up with 4 for the year. We're expecting somewhere around 8, So kind of a doubling of quantities on the C5 hurdle next year.
And you talked about the F-thirty five deliveries. We are looking at Probably a 20% increase. We did 30% this year. We're looking at 36% next year. And you asked what aircraft Those were I believe I may get this a little bit off, but I believe those are the tail end.
We started We're delivering Lot 4 aircraft at the end of 2012. We'll deliver all remaining Lot 4 aircraft in 2013 and we'll start And I've lost track exactly, Rob. Somewhere in the middle of the year, middle to Q3 ish time of the year, we'll start up excuse me, I'm delivering Five aircraft and those will be the aircraft that we deliver all the way through the end of the year. Margins on the F-thirty five We are expecting to go up in 2013. If for no other reason than the essence of The profit adjustment we took, I believe in the Q2 on the SPD contract to lower the expectations on the award fee going forward.
But we were also because we did have success, remind you, we started 2012 with a goal of delivering 30 aircraft. We had a Multiple months' strength at our forward facility and we still delivered 30 aircraft. And so as you might imagine that says the efficiencies we're getting in the production line are starting to be self evident. And with are starting to be self evident. And with those efficiencies, we would expect in 2013 To actually have some profit step ups on the production contracts, so we would expect the overall rate between the combined Correct.
And the LRIPs in 2013 to be higher than they were in 2012.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Cai von Rumohr from Cowen and Company.
Thank you very much. I may have missed it, but What did you say about the orders for the full year 2013? And could you give us a little split between If there's no sequestration, I assume that's your assumption. And if there is sequestration, which parts of your business, which of your orders, Let me put it that way. For 2013, do you see as at greatest risk?
Yes. So 2013, the orders I was talking about were Well, we well, I think what I said is, we expect to have orders given our sales level that would essentially get us back to about an $80,000,000,000 backlog. So you can kind of So for the math on that, we think of it as, I don't know, somewhere $40,000,000,000 $45 ish,000,000 or so. And as far as we're not assuming the effects of sequestration as I said in my prepared remarks. And how that would manifest itself in terms of impacting the orders?
We've always described IS and GS as a very short cycle business. If you look at the numbers for IS and GS right now, we are expecting a downturn in 2013 Over 2012 and to a large extent that's because the federal IT budget has gone down frankly with or without sequestration. I think I think your question is how much more can you take out of the federal IT budget even under a sequestration environment and still accomplish the task that you need to From an IT perspective, we don't have a lot of we'll look at There's probably been a shift over the past 2 years to have more of these IDIQ task orders. So I suspect and a lot of those Where they are occurring within the IS and GS business, I would expect during sequestration, we would see less exercising of those IDIQ task orders. I said earlier in response to an earlier question, I've lost track who asked it, that I think we're seeing some of the sort of the push out orders right now in part because of Secretary Carter's guidance relative to preparation under Under the continuing resolution and I would argue under the prospects of sequestration, they're pushing out some of the lower the larger orders.
I believe anything over a half $1,000,000,000 has to go to him for approval before it's authorized. So not knowing exactly how sequestration would be manifested in terms of What I like to call the peanut butter spread versus a targeted spread, it's hard to it's hard for me to say how those orders would be impacted, Whether they be pushed to the right or reduced and at this point I'd expect to be speculating at this point other than to say IS and GS would likely get hit the largest percent, but be missing the longer cycle businesses would be hit less Suburly than IS and GS.
I would just add to that. On the sequestration front, I mean, that's why we have been so vocal about What a terrible policy that is to have sequestration come into play. So we're encouraged that we're trying to That our government and Congress is trying to get to a permanent elimination of those across the board cuts, because The fact is, if they have if they're going to take any cuts and they can do it along the lines of the national security strategy and do it in the areas That align better with what our administration and our entire defense is trying to accomplish, that's the best And for us, as we look at it, I mean, I think we have a great portfolio that's aligned with those strategic priorities of the U. S. Government and of our Defense Department.
So If we get through sequestration and it doesn't happen and it allows our Defense Department to decide where they take cuts, we think we're actually very well
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David Strauss from UBS.
Good afternoon. Hi, Dylan. Marilyn, a question for you. You guys have gone After your cost structure, very aggressively, best I can tell both from a square footage perspective and headcount, Despite the fact that the budget hasn't come down that much yet and your top line is held up pretty well, How much more room do you have to address headcount and square footage and just your cost structure in its entirety? Maybe disproportionately what happens to the budget from here?
Well, I tell you, we are a large corporation and we have I think we still have more Particularly on the footprint side, as we laid out a plan to take cost out, we put it in more aggressively about 3 years ago, until we've been about this proactive approach to taking out cost in our infrastructure and our processes for a number of years, As you mentioned, we have had some reductions in force. We've taken up some management layers. We've been collapsing some organizations in order to get Some cost out in that regard. And on the footprint side, we've taken out about 1,900,000 square feet for the last Couple
of years and we are going
to take another $2,900,000 between now and the end of 2014. So there is more to go there. I believe there's also opportunities for us Just to continue on an ongoing basis to drive cost out and so that we can meet the demands of our customers. We've been Getting out of lease space, for example, we'll continue to look at even providing more affordable products to our customers, Taking weight out, looking at how we can reduce cycle time, all of those things that would give them a more affordable product as well. So we'll continue to do that.
That is something we set targets on every year to drive cost out of our business and we want to Continue to do that to remain competitive and win more business.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Sam Pearlstein from Wells Fargo.
Good afternoon. Bruce, I was wondering if you could walk a little bit Through the cash in 2013, just as you get from cash flow from operations of about $1,600,000,000 to over $4,000,000,000 we know pension Certainly less of a headwind, but what else is improving taxes, interest, advances, working capital, what else are the drivers there? Let me see if I can do that off the top of my head, Sam. So $4,000,000,000 As you said, in 2013 versus the $1,600,000,000 level, the biggest Driver obviously is the $2,500,000,000 pension contribution, dollars 3,600,000,000 I guess I should say versus the $1,500,000,000 In 2013, we're actually expecting a slight increase in our working capital. That's Something I'll speak for myself personally that I've got targeted to try to minimize that amount of working capital growth.
I think some of that might be a little bit of planning conservatism. We tend to plan even say some of our international orders may be a So orders may be a little bit lighter relative to payment terms than we actually are able to negotiate that ends up manifesting In the form of higher working capital than maybe what we actually experienced, that's one I'll be watching. Income taxes, I'm trying to I think what we're paying on income taxes, let's see. We're actually Down I believe I think we're down probably like well actually for what we're paying out Relative to taxes, it's fairly close from what we're booking within our earnings is down to probably about $150 ish million or so. So you do sort of a cash walk down, you You see the $150,000,000 from an earnings perspective flowing down to cash.
That's probably the biggest drivers that I'm looking at Next year, a little bit of change in depreciation and amortization, but not enough to talk about. So really just sort of the working capital and a slight change in the taxes there. Thank
you. And our next question comes from the line of Noah Poponak from Goldman Sachs.
Hi. Good afternoon, Bruce and Jerry, and welcome to the earnings call process, Marilyn.
Thank you, Marillyn. Marillyn,
I wanted to ask you
sort of a follow-up to
the question on cost cutting, but a little bit Bigger picture and longer term, one of the big concerns we still hear from investors on defense companies is with regard to the sustainability of margins and whether or not there's a shoe to drop there. And in historical cycles, you've seen margins come down pretty significantly. Lockheed Martin has been able to kind of along at this 11.5% segment operating margin right through everything we've seen thus far. How do you think about where margins go and how sustainable they are? Is there a risk in your view that So part of the backlog with more favorable terms of trade sunsets and more difficult backlog layers in, Just curious how you think about that given your many experiences operating the business?
And then one quick one for Bruce. Have you done the math On the 2014 FASCAS number with the hypothetical that nothing changes in 2014 versus 2013?
Thanks for the question. I'll just kick off with the margin. As you look at our portfolio, we have a lot of mature products that we don't that we have To move down the production line, things have been developed and moved into production and we're in a position where we can Drive higher margins through the process of booking higher profit rates on those programs moving forward. And then as I said, we're growing our international sales component and we through that process because of the risk return relationship there sales and we expect to get higher margins on that. But a lot of the portfolio that is transitioning, if you think about where F-thirty 5 is, we're Still in development, but concurring to that, we're moving into production.
And with that production over time and with the volume that we're going to bring along In a fixed price incentive environment and in a fixed price environment, that's going to allow us to improve our margins. LCS, with our LCS program moving along as it ramps up with additional ships coming online that will allow us To improve margins, THAAD, a lot of our missile programs are well along So there's fewer development programs in place. C5M is coming along strongly. And then typically in our international Larry, as I said, we see higher margins. I think, Bruce, do you want to take the other part of his question?
Yes. Noah, if I remember right, it was Have you done the math? I think you said a FAS has in 2014 under the current assumptions and we have done that math. Actually, we've done it for 15 too. I'll give you a bonus question there.
So as we look at 2014, we're probably seeing Current course and speed, somewhere about a $350 ish million improvement over The $485,000,000 we have today, I think the more interesting one Elyse as I look at the 2013, 2014 and 2015, think of the variance The change I should say the change in the FAS CAS between 2013 and 2015 is roughly $1,000,000,000 So we think of the 15 number as just about on the opposite end of the 0 bar going the other way. So Really, really dramatic swing in FASCAS with current assumptions. And obviously, If the discount rate goes north, any like I sure hope it does sometime soon, then those numbers will change even more dramatically.
Sure. I think maybe one more.
Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Bill Loomis from Stifel Nicolaus.
Great. Thanks for taking the question. Bruce, just when you talked about the Q1 being $1,000,000,000 lower, I just want to be clear that That was versus the year ago. And then you talked about lower deliveries in Aeronautics, but obviously with that grouping 3,700,000,000 In the Q1 'twelve, that would be a pretty significant percentage drop. So is the bulk of it going to be there?
And If not, which of the other groups? And why do you see that coming back, if it is coming from the other groups as well?
Yes. So Bill you heard right. The $1,000,000,000 I was talking about was comparing Q1 of 20 J. Rice:] versus Q1 of 2012. I gave in my prepared remarks the aircraft quantity changes.
So Very, very significant within aeronautics and the reason we feel good about it coming back the other way is because those aircraft are higher On a comparative basis to the previous quarter and the next three quarters, the other just as I look at the data at least as I sit here today, Part of the way I would look at sales going forward, again, I mentioned earlier, it's sequential growth quarter over quarter. So think of the it's obviously lower, I believe, every single quarter versus 20 12, but it gets lower than 2012 by a smaller percent with each successive quarter. Said differently, Q4 2013 is not nearly as far off of Q4 as of 2012 as are the first three of 2013 versus the 1st 3 quarters of 2012. And the other thing I looked at is we it may be self evident in what I just said, but The second half of the year from a revenue perspective is about $1,000,000,000 for that 6 months greater than the first half of the year. So We're definitely a little back end loaded in large part because of the aircraft quantities we have there, But just some of the other shifts within the other business areas as well forcing it in the second half.
So I want to just wrap up here and tell you all thank you for joining us on the call today and we look forward to speaking to you again in April. Thanks.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference.