Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Laird Superfood Inc. fourth quarter 2023 financial results call. My name is Matt, and I'll be your operator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. I'll now have to pass the conference over to our host, Steve Ritchie, General Counsel with Laird. Steve, please go ahead.
Thank you, and good afternoon. Welcome to Laird Superfood's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. On today's call are Jason Vieth, Laird Superfood's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Anya Hamill, our Chief Financial Officer. By now, everyone should have access to the company's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings release filed after today's market close. It is available on the investor relations section of Laird Superfood's website at www.lairdsuperfood.com. Before we begin, please note that during the course of this call, management may make forward-looking statements within the context of federal securities laws. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements.
Please refer to today's press release and other filings with the SEC for a detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jason.
Thanks, Steve. Good afternoon, and thank you to everyone who has joined us today. Now that you have all seen our Q4 2023 results, I hope that you will agree that it is not an overstatement to say that Laird Superfood had a tremendous quarter. During Q4, we hit our team's goal of a financial trifecta, positive sales growth, positive profitability, and positive cash flow, the latter two of which were a first time ever for our company while trading as a public entity. These results represent just the latest step in what has been a rather steady path of improvement since I first spoke with all of you two years ago, and I am proud to say that these improvements have allowed us to remove the going concern disclosure from our financials.
This is a significant vote of confidence in our financial position and outlook, and further motivation for our team to ensure that we operate the business as professionally and competently as possible. I'll start with what might be our most noteworthy accomplishment in a quarter full of them. During Q4 2023, we were able to return our DTC business to +10% growth versus the same quarter in 2022. This was accomplished despite decreasing our marketing spend by 54% during the same comparative periods, which obviously means that our marketing effectiveness metrics surged once again during Q4. This represents our first quarter of growth in this channel since almost two years ago, after the changes to iOS upended the DTC industry, and was accomplished through more effective targeting and messaging, and by highlighting our most relevant products and creating better offerings for bundles and cross-selling.
One key to this accomplishment was the increase of our revenue from subscriptions to 46% of our total DTC net sales base, which I would assert demonstrates that consumers are recognizing the benefits from consistently attending to their health through their nutrition, and that our coffee, creamers, greens, and adaptogenic mushroom products are a perfect fit for consumers to create what we at Laird Superfood have referred to as the healthy daily ritual. In addition to converting more of our customers to subscribers, we were also successful in Q4 in increasing our net sales from new DTC customers by 76% year-over-year, driven by our partnership with the Shawn Ryan Show and other well-executed top-of-funnel marketing activities. I am also pleased to report that our average DTC order size reached more than $57 in Q4.
Given these metrics, it should not be surprising that our brand affinity remains extremely strong with our consumers, with our Net Promoter Score still hovering in the mid-70s and our customer satisfaction score at 4.9 out of five points now. A large portion of our e-commerce business is also conducted on Amazon, and here I am happy to report that we have continued to make steady progress in returning this business to growth after the challenges created by the quality event that we encountered approximately a year ago. Out of that event, it took approximately 6 months to fully withdraw and replenish our coffee creamers on the Amazon platform, during which time we saw a significant reduction in sales. But in Q4, with our in-stock inventory levels restored to normal, we were able to execute our marketing plan on this platform and to restore our path to growth.
During Q4, our net sales through Amazon reached $1.76 million, a 38% increase over Q3 of 2023, despite a 22% pullback in direct media spend on Amazon during that time. This is a testament to the cohorts that we have established on this platform, which was further aided by a 26% increase in revenue from subscriptions, which now represents nearly a quarter of Laird Superfood net sales on Amazon. Given the lapping of those 2023 challenges during the first half of this year, we expect to see strong Laird Superfood growth through Amazon throughout 2024. Turning to our wholesale business, I am pleased to share that we continue to make steady progress in expanding our distribution in this important and strategic channel.
To date, our wholesale business has been largely concentrated in the natural channel, where we have continued to make great strides to build out our brand among consumers that are motivated by health and wellness. During 2023, our points of distribution in natural finished the year up 24% versus the end of 2022, driven by wins in large national retailers, as well as across smaller independents that are vital to consumers in this channel. Specific to Q4, I am pleased to announce that we were successful in securing national distribution with Whole Foods for our shelf-stable items, which will complement the full national distribution that we had recently attained on our 4-item liquid creamer portfolio. Those items began shipping a few weeks ago and bring us to 8 items in distribution within all Whole Foods stores across the country.
I'm equally pleased to share that we have also had continued success at Sprouts Farmers Market, who has been a great partner to our brand, and where we now have 22 items in distribution, representing one of our most complete build-outs of any retailer in the country. I am also pleased to share that during Q4, we became the number one brand within the coffee category at Sprouts, charging ahead of the likes of Peet's, Bulletproof, Stumptown, Death Wish, and all the other brands in this category. We believe that this is just the start of the exciting things to come as we continue to build our brand strength and share our health and wellness portfolio with consumers across the country.
As we look forward from here, we will execute an expansion strategy to additional categories in the natural channel and begin to put emphasis on growing our distribution in the conventional channel, where we currently have very little distribution and a very large market. Along with the success that we are having commercially, comes the recognition that we couldn't achieve any of this if we didn't have a supply chain that was as flexible, responsive, and adaptive as we do. Last year, our supply chain was able to shut down our own facility in Oregon, identify co-pack and distribution partners, and move our entire business over the span of just around two months. Our supply chain team operated nearly flawlessly through a quality event in the first half of last year, quickly replenishing our raw material inventory and keeping most of our key suppliers supplied throughout that challenging stretch.
Now, with our powder products fully transitioned to an asset-light supply chain model, and with our liquid creamer transition behind us, we were able to achieve over 40% gross margin during Q4. Our supply chain is flexible and agile and is built to support our future growth. Going forward, we continue to expect our gross margin to remain in the high 30s%. Our focus on cost management extends beyond the supply chain to our operational expenses as well. During Q4, we reduced our total year-over-year adjusted OpEx from $6.1 million- $3.7 million, representing a decrease of 38% Q4 of 2023. This was accomplished by a broad-based reduction in our OpEx spend, which we will continue to manage tightly as we go forward.
And finally, I want to share a few thoughts on our cash position, which increased in Q4 2023 by $280,000. Based on our working capital needs and planned investments, we do not anticipate generating positive cash flow in every quarter from here. However, we do believe that with our planned growth rate in 2024 and beyond, we may soon be generating cash to support our operations. I also want to reiterate that we were able to remove the Going Concern disclosure from financials. We are proud of this recent change and believe that with our forecasted growth profile and gross margin outlook, the Laird Superfood business is now in position to carry an improved financial profile in the future years. And now let me turn the call over to Anya to discuss the fourth quarter results in more detail.
Thank you, Jason. Net sales were $9.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, an increase of 2.6% as compared to $9.0 million in the prior year period, and flat to the third quarter of 2023. As Jason discussed, both the e-commerce and wholesale channels delivered growth in the fourth quarter. E-commerce contributed 66% of total net sales and increased 2% year-over-year, led by D2C growth of +10%. These improvements were in part offset by a year-over-year decline in Amazon sales of 12%, a substantial and narrower decline than in previous quarters, and driven by a 59% Amazon media spend reduction, as we resolve to improve profitability on this platform.
Wholesale contributed 34% of total net sales and increased 3% year-over-year, reflecting continued growth in club and distribution expansion in the natural channel, as well as product velocity improvements behind updated packaging, which launched in the second quarter of 2023. Gross margin in the fourth quarter rose to 40.4%, which is a 45-point improvement on a year-over-year basis due to charges related to Sisters' exit activities in the fourth quarter of 2022. On an adjusted basis, gross margin improved 21 points year-over-year and 10 points sequentially versus Q3 of 2023, driven by continued benefits of transitioning to third-party co-manufacturing and distribution. Q4 gross margin of 40% is a milestone that supports our expectation that we can deliver margins in the upper 30s in the coming quarters.
Operating expenses in the fourth quarter of 2023 totaled $3.7 million, a decrease of $11.6 million compared to $15.3 million in the prior year period. This reduction was driven by one-time expenses related to our exit from Sisters in the fourth quarter of 2022. Excluding one-time charges, operating expenses were reduced $2.4 million, primarily due to lower marketing costs resulting from strategic cuts of inefficient spend and lower people costs, and other general and administrative expenses following their structuring activities in 2022. I am pleased to report that in the fourth quarter, for the first time in the company's history, we achieved positive net income and positive cash flow. Net income, as reported, was $0.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, an improvement of $15.7 million versus the prior year period.
Net cash added in the quarter was $0.3 million, compared to cash burn of $3.2 million in both the third quarter of 2023 and the fourth quarter of 2022. These results were driven by margin expansion and significant reductions in general and administrative costs, demonstrating the strong progress that we have made in managing costs and pushing the business towards profitability in future quarters, although we do not expect this to occur in a perfectly linear manner. We ended Q4 2023 with $7.7 million of cash and no debt as we continue to conservatively manage our balance sheet. We now project that we will have enough cash to fund our operations into 2026, and our annual report on Form 10-K will not contain the going concern language that was included in our prior quarterly reports.
Further, after having had conversations with several lenders regarding our ability to put in place an asset-backed loan, we are optimistic that such a vehicle is available to us should we decide that we would prefer additional funding to support our operations or growth. The changes we have made to our business model have significantly improved the underlying economics and strengthened our competitive position. As we go forward, we will continue to focus on maximizing our most profitable commercial growth opportunities while maintaining strict emphasis on containing costs to drive the business towards profitability and maintain our cash position to support our future operations and other opportunities that may emerge. Our full year 2024 guidance is as follows: Net sales are expected to be in the range of approximately $38-$40 million, representing growth of 10%-15% compared to 2023.
Gross margin is expected to expand to approximately 37%-40%, excluding any one-time extraordinary charges, representing a 7-10 point improvement versus 2023. With that, I'll turn the call back to Jason.
Thanks, Anya. I know that I seem to say it every quarter, but I want to reiterate that I believe that the future of our Laird Superfood business has never looked brighter. This time around, please indulge me while I share my thesis for that condition. First, our net promoter score and customer satisfaction scores are indicative of our incredible brand strength and the trust placed on our brand by Laird Superfood consumers and should be the envy of virtually any major food company today. Second, our product portfolio is well positioned for the health and wellness trends that continue to grow in importance, both within the U.S. and internationally, as demonstrated by our Q4 volume and sales growth.
Importantly, our gross margin is now in line with many of the premier food companies in our industry and can provide us with strong cash generation as we continue to grow our business. Finally, I would wager that our organization is as skilled, competent, motivated, and engaged as any similarly sized company in the industry. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready to open the call to questions.
If you'd like to ask a question, please press Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you'd like to remove that question, please press Star, followed by two. Again, to ask a question, press Star one. As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. We will pause here briefly as questions are registered. First question is from the line of Bobby Burleson with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Yeah, congratulations on turning the corner here towards, you know, much better performance. So really exciting to see. So I guess, like my first question is just, when we think about the growth for this year that you guided to, what kind of OpEx, you know, growth would be required to support that guidance? You know, it sounds like online is coming back nicely, and obviously, your spend's a lot lower these days with DTC. So just curious, you know, are you spending more to access conventional or can you really drive a lot of operating leverage this year?
... Yeah. Hey, Bobby, great question. Thanks, by the way, appreciate it. We're really excited, obviously, about this quarter and where this came in.
Interesting.
Yeah. Hey, it's good to talk to you again. So look, I mean, the reality is, and you and I have discussed this as well, so I know this won't be a surprise to you, but we built this team really to be able to scale from here, and we don't believe we need really substantially any more OpEx. There are a couple of line items that are going to be variable in the P&L, and, you know, the broker commission is one of those. So as we continue to grow that piece of the business, we'll pay additional brokerage fees, or on the flip side, as we continue to grow Amazon, there is a variable component selling cost to that as well. So we will have to scale those two sales organizations as we grow.
But really, Bobby, to be honest, our organization is built to be able to carry, not only this organization, but the Picky Bar... Or sorry, not only this brand, but the Picky Bar business as well. And frankly, as I've told them many times, we're in position that now, with everything that we've done, that if we were to make an acquisition at any point, or if we were to scale the business significantly from here over the course of the next 12, 18 months, we don't really have to make any additional investments to do that.
That's great. Really, really great to hear. And then, you know, a quick follow-up, just on where the growth's coming from. You know, obviously, you guys highlighted daily greens and performance mushrooms as part of that DTC growth. And I'm wondering, kinda, the overall perception of the brand, do you guys start to move more into other kind of performance-centric or, you know, things like ready-to-drink shakes or, you know... Are there other adjacent categories that kinda reflect, you know, Laird's, you know, athletic prowess and something that's more performance-oriented, where the brand would really kind of explode?
Yeah, you know, that's certainly a question that we've been discussing as a team over the last couple of months. We've been in a position that, as you guys know from the last couple of years, where we really had to turn around the business, where the business was on a path to running out of cash pretty quickly a couple of years ago. And so the last two years have really been focused around rebalancing the portfolio, getting our mix right, and then obviously resetting the cost base, not only in terms of the manufacturing distribution costs, but all of the G&A and marketing as well. And so we're really close to that, I would say, Bobby.
You know, we're still refining it and see some opportunities from here as we go forward as well within that core business. But certainly now we are in position to do two things that we were not in position to do previously, you know, because we had gross margins, as you'll recall, that were so anemic that we couldn't expand the business without losing more money. Well, that's done. We now have a gross margin that is approaching best-in-class manufacturers within the food space. The more we sell, the more cash we drop to the bottom line, and so the sales team is dead set focused, as you know, on bricks and mortar opportunities. And we've had, as I mentioned on that call, and I know the sound quality wasn't great, hopefully it's better now.
But we've had tremendous calls throughout 2023 that we believe will result in additional distribution going forward, just as we always do. But we've really been able to be aggressive with those sales calls because we now have the margin to support expansion. The other thing, to get more directly to your question, that we're really starting to focus on now is: how do we expand and continue to grow our legacy within superfoods? For a little while there, we became a creamer brand, and we do still have a great creamer business, and frankly, the best creamer product on the market. The cleanest, best tasting, most nutritious product on the market. But we also have this amazing greens product, which I would tell you is the best tasting, most nutritious product in that space as well.
We have these performance mushrooms, mushroom products, adaptogenic mushroom products that have taken off. It's really been those three products in particular with support from a number of other categories, including bars. But those three products being greens, adaptogenic mushrooms, and creamers that are carrying the bulk of the weight for the portfolio. It broadened us. In doing that, it broadened our shoulders to really be that superfoods brand, not just a super creamer brand, but a superfoods brand, and does open up the opportunity to get to some of those more performance-based categories, and RTD and others are certainly on that list, Bobby.
That's fantastic. I know there's other callers, so I'll jump back into the queue. Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for your question.
Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Alex Fuhrman with Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question here. Congratulations on, you know, the many milestones that you hit here, in the quarter. One I'd like to ask about is the return to positive e-commerce growth, which certainly seems like a big milestone, and if I'm interpreting your comments correctly, it sounds like growth on lairdsuperfood.com was even especially strong. Can you talk about what's been driving that? I know you mentioned some of your newer products helping to lift average order size. Has that been the primary driver? It looks like you guys have been, you know, emphasizing subscriptions more as well. Just any color on that would be helpful, and, you know, what we might expect to see on lairdsuperfood.com into this year and beyond.
... Hey, Alex, nice to hear from you. Yeah, thanks. Great question, and certainly wanted to be able to talk more about this. I could not be more proud of our DTC business. It is, in fact, that LSF or lairdsuperfood.com platform that returned to a 10% growth. That's the first growth in a couple of years. We have a new leader on that business. I mean, you guys know, we've changed a lot of the organization. Now, we have a new marketing leader, and we have a new DTC channel leader as well, and that combination has proven to be really powerful. We've done... I'll tell you a couple of things in particular that have really helped to drive that.
One is that same broadening of our portfolio that I mentioned a moment ago with Bobby. It's really not only been the creamers in the last months, but the creamers, the greens, and the adaptogenic mushrooms that are doing really well. And that's a function of a couple of things. First is, we've really reengaged Laird and Gabby, as you know, as the real brand representatives of Laird Superfood. I would say that's only natural, and you would think, "Why, why did we ever not... You know, why did we ever go away from that?" And I think just as I mentioned before, a couple of years ago, there was some drift to that, and that that's completely changed. In doing that, we've really seen a great response from the activations that Laird and Gabby are doing.
It's always our highest ROI and highest ROAS material marketing collateral that we put out. So that's been really great. We also entered a partnership with Shawn Ryan and the Shawn Ryan Show. Shawn is a podcaster, has a tremendous show, one of the largest followings in the country, in the world. And Shawn is not only an advertiser for, you know, an advertising platform with us, Shawn's our partner. He partnered with us, became an investor into the business. He is a big advocate of of mushrooms, adaptogenic mushrooms, and the benefits for folks that have had traumatic brain injuries, as well as everybody for their general health. And in becoming a spokesperson, trusted spokesperson for the adaptogens, he's just been an unbelievable partner to us as well.
We've really enjoyed working with Shawn and have had tremendous benefit. So those two have been really large. And the third factor that I'd add to that is, our DTC team has just done incredible work to turn consumers into customers and customers to subscribers. And as a result, we have almost 50% of our revenue in that DTC channel now coming through subscriptions, which obviously pay off over the long term in terms of the stickiness and, you know, the amount of volume that consumers continue to order, especially when they consider how beneficial it is to their health on a regular basis. So those three factors have been the key driver, and we anticipate that, they're gonna be long living for us.
That's terrific. Really appreciate that. Thanks, Jason. And then if I could ask also just on the returns and discounts, you know, it looks like that was the lowest level in the fourth quarter in more than a year. Where is that improvement coming from? Is that more? I know you had some kind of higher profile incidents, you know, with some of your wholesale customers and things like that. Is that kind of coming from the direct channel as well? And do you expect those improvements to continue into this year?
Hi, Alex. This is Anya. Thank you for the question, so I can address that. Yes, you're right. It was the lowest in the year. However, you know, like we talked in the last couple of quarters, Q2 and Q3 were high because we chose to invest into growth for retail business. And so we're now starting to pull that back, and we did so in Q4. So part of it. Part of the savings are coming from our wholesale business, and they'll continue kind of at that optimized level of spend. Not quite linear, not quite maybe as low as Q4, but in that range. DTC also, as we have optimized a mix between trade and marketed investment, there's some savings coming from that business as well, although not nearly as much as from retail.
I think you can expect to see pretty similar range and meet teams in terms of discounts going forward in 2024.
Okay. That's really helpful. Thank you, Anya.
Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of JP Wollam with Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.
Hi, Jason and Anya. Thanks for taking the question. If I could maybe just start with sort of the revenue guidance for next year. You know, just, just want to kind of talk from a high level, maybe what gives you confidence in the revenue growth? And as we think about kind of the key drivers of that growth for next year, maybe if you could just talk about sort of what, and I don't know how much you want to say, but maybe cadence there, if you'll have some, some more retail doors coming online in the middle of the year. But anything you kind of just want to say about how that revenue will build?
Yeah. Hey, JP, good to talk to you again. So I'll start off. I'll give a couple of thoughts on that, and then I'm going to hand it over to Anya. She can talk through the cadence a little bit, but I want to give you some of those, those drivers and where our confidence comes from. So I'm gonna go sequentially through through three different channels and platforms, starting with Amazon, because that's for us, that's a really attractive opportunity for us. I mentioned on the call a couple of minutes ago on the prerecord. Last year, we had a bit of a trough in Amazon because we had that quality event in Q1.
We had to withdraw all of our inventory out of Amazon, and that means you have to withdraw from their DCs, and then they have to go out to all the micro DCs that they send to so that you can get that order in 24 hours, or so. So it's a slow process, and we had to pull it all back before they let us put anything else back in because it all had the same, SKU number, so, UPC number. So as a result, we lost somewhere around 5, maybe 6 months of creamer sales in that, on that platform. And it, it wasn't I mean, I can't say it was zero, but we really lost a lot of business. And as a result of that, when you lose that piece of business, you lose the opportunity to cross-sell as well.
And so, I would tell you that there's just a tremendous lapping opportunity on Amazon as a result of that. On top of that, we have very positive Amazon sales growth going on, even before running into that. So as you saw, coming into Q4, we were closing the gap quickly despite significantly less spend. And, you know, as we were in 2023, we had pulled back the spend. And so you're gonna see now in 2024, just a, a tremendous opportunity for us to grow that category or that, that platform rather. And then in the, the to finish out the, the online business or the e-com business, the DTC opportunity for us that, you know, really driven off those same fundamentals that I just shared with Alex's question, it just looks great.
You know, I know it's been a rough road for a couple of years, and frankly, it's been a rougher road for a number of our competitors and continues to be. So I think we're blessed to have a really great team in this space. They have really honed their ROAS metrics to make sure we're only making smart investments now that return at least to our bare minimum acceptable ROAS, which is profitable at this point for us. We also have Laird and Gabby, and we have the Shawn Ryan partnership. And with those two sets of you know, highly influential individuals, Laird, Laird and Gabby, I guess three individuals, Laird and Gabby separately, but then Shawn Ryan as well.
We feel we can really invest behind those three and continue to make hay in that category, or in that platform rather. And then finally, wholesale. And I didn't leave it for last because this is our biggest opportunity by far. We're still in just a fraction of the doors within natural, and we're in almost no doors. And I know it's not really no doors, but we have very few distribution points within the conventional space today. So within natural first, I mentioned that we now have eight items in Whole Foods nationally. We were in just maybe 12 months ago, we had a couple of liquid items, three, I guess, liquid items, and we had three powders regionally, if I remember correctly. Now, we have eight items nationally.
This is a big distribution change for us year-over-year. We believe there's significant opportunity to continue to expand within Whole Foods as we go forward into other segment or into other categories with our portfolio that's now really been, I would tell you, displayed in a best-in-class fashion at Sprouts. I mentioned that on the call that we now have 22 items in distribution at Sprouts. 20 of those are in full distribution. We have a few more that we're working on now that we believe really belong within the Sprouts stores. Then we're continuing to do the same with a new brokerage that we've employed. We continue to do the same thing now to expand out into all the independents and the smaller chain stores.
So just a really exciting opportunity within natural to continue to close those distribution gaps. But then the opportunity, the big opportunity, the much larger opportunity even, is on the conventional side, where we really haven't put any effort in the past. And so, you know, the addressable markets and the opportunity, the white space that we have in distribution in that conventional space is absolutely enormous, JP. And so, you know, these numbers, you know, ask what gives me confidence. They're numbers that I think are very attainable for us this year. We're committed to those numbers, and I think as we go forward, we'll continue to dig for upside.
Great. Thank you. That's plenty of color, so appreciate all that. If I could just do one follow-up, and maybe this one's more for Anya, but there was the comment about the ABL during the earlier remarks. And I, I just wanted to kind of follow up and, and make sure I, I am thinking about it correctly, but was the commentary there more just that it was a vote of confidence in the future of the business? Or as we think about kind of expanding some of the Whole Foods SKU expansion and some of the growth next year, is that something that you think is going to be put into use next year to either build inventory or kind of fulfill some of that demand?
Yeah. Thanks for that question, JP. Yeah, we think that we have enough cash to get us through 2024 and 2025 and hopefully beyond. However, the point of that comment was to signal that we do have additional liquid resources or liquidity in case if we need it for working capital expansion or any other opportunities that may arise. If we choose so, those funds are there based on conversations that we've had with several lenders that would be available to us.
Okay. Yep, makes sense. Thank you for taking my questions, and best of luck going forward.
Thank you. Thank you for your question. There are no additional questions waiting at this time, so as a reminder, to star one on your telephone keypad. There are no additional questions waiting at this time, so I'll now pass the call back to the management team for any closing remarks.
Just, I just wanna thank everybody once again for jumping on. This is by far the, I would say, the best performance that we've had as a public company, and, we're really excited for the path from here. As we go forward, we'll obviously be back talking with you guys in just a few weeks, given how late the annual call ended up. And, as we wrap Q1, look forward to getting back with everybody to share the continued progress on this story. So thanks so much.
That concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.