Good afternoon. My name is Chris, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Las Vegas Sands Corp. First Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Daniel Briggs, you may begin your conference.
Thank you. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Adelson, please let me remind you that today's conference call will contain forward-looking statements that we are making under the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. The company's actual results could differ materially from the anticipated results in those forward-looking statements. Please see today's press release under the caption forward-looking statements for a discussion of risks results. In addition, we may discuss adjusted net income and whole normalized adjusted net income, adjusted diluted EPS, and whole normalized adjusted diluted EPS, and adjusted property EBITDA and whole normalized adjusted property EBITDA, all of which are non-GAAP measures. A definition and a reconciliation of each of these measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the press release. Please note that this presentation is being recorded.
We also want to inform you that we have posted supplementary earnings slides on our investor relations website for your use. We may refer to those slides during the Q&A portion of the call. Finally, for those who would like to participate in the Q&A session, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question so we might allow everyone an opportunity to participate. With that, let me please introduce our Chairman, Sheldon Adelson.
Thanks a lot, Dan. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to report that we continue to execute our strategic objectives during the quarter. Despite the continuing challenges in the Macau market, we delivered a solid set of financial results with company-wide adjusted property EBITDA reaching $1.051 billion USD. At the same time, we continue to return excess capital to shareholders. I know you are waiting for me to predict whether we have reached the bottom in Macau and whether next quarter will get better, it is very hard to do so right now because we are sailing in uncharted territory, at least for the short term.
It reminds me of a fellow that had a joke that said, "It's very difficult to make predictions, particularly about the future." Our job is to set the right strategy so that we can grow and prosper for the long term in spite of the current challenges, contribute to the economic development of our host jurisdictions, and at the same time ensure the company can weather any cyclical storm across the business cycle. I want to tell you that I am today as confident as I ever been in the long-term outlook for the Macau market. Our unmatched financial strength enables us to stay fully committed to our markets and our development plans, while continuing to return significant amounts of capital to shareholders.
To put it plainly, we will invest in our existing portfolio, we will search for new development opportunities very aggressively, and we will pay generous recurring dividends, which we have every intention of growing over the next several years as our business and cash flows continue to grow. I can say that we're targeting at least a 10% growth in each of the next three years. That's in regular dividends. Today, our company enjoys a strategic position in our industry. First, we alone have the true business diversification, which derives from our convention-based integrated resort business model. Second, we are unique in having the critical mass of integrated resort assets that can capture the long-term tourism and consumption growth in Asia. Third, only our company has the privilege of operating in the two biggest gaming markets in Asia. Talk to anyone who is familiar with the markets in Asia.
We are in the pole position to be selected as the preferred developer of new integrated resorts as and when other markets in Asia open up. My commitment to invest in Macau's long-term future has been and will continue to be unwavering. Let me be specific. First, not only will we work to complete our St. Regis and Parisian projects in Macau as expeditiously as we can, we are also as eager as ever to develop additional resort and non-gaming facilities beyond the completion of these two projects. Second, we will continue to lead the charge in the economic diversification of Macau. In particular, we will continue to be the pioneer in developing the MICE, retail, hotel, and entertainment industries. Remember, we were the first ones to develop an integrated resort on Cotai when everyone else was roundly ridiculing us and telling us they couldn't even spell integrated resort.
Our business model has since been validated as each and every one of our competitors attempt to emulate us. I say attempt because they all say if they put in a hotel and a casino, and a couple of restaurants, they have an integrated resort. We have eight or 10 different major entertainment attraction components that are unmatched by anybody in Macau, unmatched. Everybody says, "Oh, I'm going to put in some more shopping. I'm going to enlarge my lobby, and I'll put a couple of stores in there, a couple of gift shops, and then I'll be an integrated resort." I'd like to say that their description of an integrated resort is somewhat different than ours. Third, we will continue to invest in the training and development of our employees. I would like to elaborate on each of these commitments.
With respect to development projects in our master plan for Cotai Strip, I believe these remain critical in supporting Macau's goal of becoming a world-class leisure and tourism destination. There's been a lot of debate recently, both in Macau and Hong Kong, concerning the ability of these cities to accommodate the growing number of tourists, and the impact of tourist growth on local residents. I believe our MICE-based integrated resort model provides a winning formula for accommodating long-term tourism growth for Macau while minimizing disruptions to local residents. With the completion of St. Regis and Parisian, we will have almost 13,000 hotel rooms in four interconnected resorts. Interconnected. You don't have to leave the building to go from one to the other. There's over 840 stores across four shopping malls, with the potential to add several hundred more in new developments subject to government approval.
2 million sq ft of meeting and exhibition space, and four performance venues, including our Venetian Cotai Arena, which can be utilized either for our MICE business or major entertainment events. All of this, and more, under one roof. Nowhere else in Asia can you step out of your hotel room and walk down the hallway, through a door, and into an arena. The visitor to any of our resorts can enjoy the full spectrum of nongaming group amenities without ever stepping outside of our rooms. In Q1 this year, our hotel occupancy in Macau was 83%, which meant we had around 7,600 occupied rooms per day, and more accurately, per night. With completion of St. Regis and Parisian, we will have nearly 13,000 keys. We will have capacity to grow our occupied room nights by another 5,000 per night.
That, of course, represents very substantial growth in tourism capacity. The key is to attract and grow the number of overnight visitors and accommodate and entertain them in our Cotai Strip integrated resort complex. That, to me, is a triple win. Good for us, good for Macau, and good for our customers. As you're probably aware, there will be a midterm review of the gaming concessions this year, and it's important to recognize what we have accomplished in each of the key categories of the review over the past decade. Let me now talk about our commitment to promote economic diversification in Macau. I've tried to find a more modest label for our role, but I think nothing describes it better than pioneer. Developing the nongaming industries isn't just about building the hardware, although that is unquestionably essential.
It requires strategic planning, operating know-how, and the commitment to invest in the human resources to grow and operate these businesses. While it's become fashionable for everyone to talk about Macau's diversification from gaming, we have consistently been delivering on all aspects of diversification over the past decade. I would just like to say that if you calculate the ratio of our nongaming to gaming, it's about 97% nongaming space and about 3% average gaming space. Take MICE, for instance. The overall Macau MICE industry grew from 1.2 million attendees in 2009 to 2.2 million last year. Our Sands China subsidiary accounted for 80% of that growth, as we increased from 614,000 attendees in 2009 to 1.8 million in 2014. We are the global MICE experts in MICE, we look forward to help take the MICE industry in Macau to the next level over the coming years.
In the hotel segment, most of you know that we have more hotel rooms than all our competitors put together. More than that, we actually sell our hotel rooms to drive new and more diverse group of visitors to Macau, rather than simply assigning them to casino patrons. We estimate we accounted for over 80% of the cash rooms sold on Cotai in 2014. Based on our recent customer research surveys, around half of our cash-paying hotel guests at Venetian are first-time visitors to Macau. To me, that is a very healthy demand indicator for Macau as a destination, and furthermore, the enduring attraction of Venetian. This has always been a key part of our strategy to help Macau become a world-class tourism destination. Build iconic integrated resort destinations to attract new visitors to Macau.
In retail, our three retail malls generated $2.5 billion of retail sales in 2014. That's almost as much as all the wives our key executives spent. Up 12% year-over-year versus an overall Macau market that was up by only 1%, and more than three times what they were in 2010. To put this amazing statistic in context, in 2007, the total retail sales in Macau were less than $1.8 billion. We didn't just build for the high-end luxury brands, although we do have one of the most successful luxury retail malls in the world at the Four Seasons. I think that's a little misnomer. I think we have the most successful luxury retail mall as measured by sales per square foot. Over $7,000 sales per square foot. We built an interconnected retail destination that would appeal to visitors across the whole spectrum.
Our retail mall sales accounted for about 40% of total retail sales in Macau in 2014. In the retail categories in which our malls have a presence. With the rollout of more retail in Sands Cotai Central and a complementary portfolio of tenants at Parisian, which is now 95% committed, we look forward to further supporting the growth of Macau's retail industry as we drive more visitation by leveraging our unique portfolio of integrated retail malls. In entertainment, we've established a real track record of bringing and delivering world-class entertainment events to Macau. This quarter, in addition to K-pop concerts and the Zou Shiming world title fight, we ran the famous West End musical, "Cats," for 13 shows in Venetian Theatre. The show achieved 84% occupancy, and we will be bringing another Broadway act, "Beauty and the Beast," for the summer.
Again, this is an area where we have made a pioneering contribution to Macau's diversification. First, we built the hardware, the multiple performance venues that allow for staging a whole variety of events. We also followed through with a strategy and invested in the expertise to bring the entertainment content to Macau. Look at our workforce today. More than half of our team members, around 15,000 of them, work in the various non-gaming business lines. That's more than the combined total number of gaming and non-gaming employees of two of our major competitors. That leads me onto our commitment of training and promotion of our employees. Last week, I was in Macau to preside over the launch of the Sands China Academy. Representatives from various higher education institutions in Macau were also present at the event.
The Sands China Academy brings together under one umbrella all the various education, training, and development initiatives and programs that we have pursued over the past decade. In 2008, we established the Adelson Advanced Education Center, located within The Venetian Macao. This has served not only as the primary training center for our employees, but also as an off-site campus for the University of Macau. Over the past three years, we have had over 88,000 participants in training courses in the Adelson Center, and we are the only property in all of Macau that has an opportunity training center for its team members. The only one. In 2013, we also set up the Sands Retail Academy with the aim of providing service training for retail professionals, and retailers, including Gucci, Louis Vuitton, Tiffany & Co., Bulgari, have participated in the program. This is not a program for our team members.
This is to develop the local employees of our retail mall tenants to attain service levels that are consistent with global best practices. This again demonstrates that to support the development of non-gaming industries in Macau, not only have we invested heavily in the hardware, we've also invested heavily in human resources, and we're committed to continue to do so. Not only will we continue to invest in local talent development, we will also continue to support local businesses. Last year, of the $1.6 billion spent on procurement, around 83% was spent on local suppliers. As the originator of the Cotai Strip development, now is not the time to pull back on any of these critical commitments. We will stay fully invested in Macau for the long term. We're committed to playing the pioneering role in Macau's transformation into the world's leading business and leisure tourism destination.
Our track record of being transformative pioneers in multiple jurisdictions speaks for itself. Don't forget also our track record in staying the course. We have been tested by much stormier weather in our company's history. You can say that. You want to say it again?
Say it again. Yeah.
Today, our company is financially stronger than it has ever been. Remember, we are the pioneers and creators of the large-scale MICE-based integrated resort. As a result, we have the diversity of product offering and the scale and critical mass to cater to every type of business and leisure visitor. This clearly positions us well for future long-term growth, these attitudes already allow us to out-earn our competitors as we always have, where it means something on the bottom line. Indeed, the gap between our company and our peers has been widening for 2014. We had a 35% EBITDA share in a six-operator market in Macau, up from 32% in 2013, reflecting the strength of our MICE and retail-driven integrated resort model. In my quick calculation, it looks like we've doubled our fair market share. In Singapore, we have around 60% EBITDA share in a duopoly market.
Not only are we unique with MICE in the two largest gaming markets in Asia, we are also, by a very wide margin, the profit leader in both markets. In addition to being more profitable and enjoying superior diversity of earnings, our integrated resort business model also allows us to contribute more meaningfully to the long-term economic success of our host jurisdictions, something we are both eager and uniquely well-positioned to replicate in new markets. Let me take you through some of the highlights of our results in Macau for the quarter. For Q1, Sands China adjusted property EBITDA was $531 million. The significant year-over-year decline in gaming revenues, especially from VIP and premium mass segments, were obviously the primary driver of year-on-year decline in EBITDA.
When compared to Q4 of 2014, the rate of sequential decline in our non-rolling win per day in Q1 has narrowed to 6%, within which the base mass win per day declined by only 4%. Moreover, our operating margin in mass gaming was sequentially flat in Q1, as our effort to reduce casino reinvestment costs was able to offset the margin impact of declining revenues. While I have talked at length about our commitment to stay fully invested in Macau as it relates to human resources, our capital expenditure, and also our commitment to market and draw new visitors to Macau, I am mindful that we also need to ensure that we maintain a keen focus on cost and efficiency. Rob will address this area in more detail later.
One example whereby we have adjusted costs budget given the changes in the marketplace is to reduce our casino patron reinvestment costs. The decline in gaming does also, of course, start to affect some of our non-gaming segments. Our non-gaming revenues for the quarter declined by 4% year-over-year, as did our overall property visitations. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, why don't we say we kept 96% of the business that we had? Sounds like a good number to me. Our non-gaming revenue for the quarter declined by 4% year-over-year, as did our overall property visitations. Based on the latest published government statistics, overall Macau market hotel occupancy declined by 11 percentage points in February compared to the prior year to around 80%, and overall number of hotel guests in Macau declined by about 10% compared to February of the prior year.
Our hotel portfolio was at 88% in February, compared to 80% for the overall Macau market, up about 10%. Looks good to me. The scale of our hotel room inventory remains one of our key strategic advantages. It allows us to target higher-value organized visitors from Greater China and the rest of Asia, and to grow the base of high-value visitors from Macau. While the mix between casino and cash customers has changed somewhat due to decline in high-end gaming, we alone have the inventory, the resort content, and the operating experience in selling the rooms and grow the market significantly. We know from our recent customer research surveys that the majority of our cash-paying hotel guests do engage in some gaming activity, and an overwhelming majority of them spend significantly on travel.
I'm proud of the fact that we produce more non-gaming revenue than the other five gaming operators combined. Our share of gross Macau-wide non-gaming revenue was 57% for 2014. Of course, it's more than the others combined. They only have 43%. The important point is that our strategy remains unchanged. Our business will continue to be anchored around the mass market and the long-term structural growth of tourism from China and the wider Asian region. I have every confidence in our ability to continue to grow over the long term. We have a still under-penetrated market. We have improving transportation infrastructure, and we, Las Vegas Sands and Sands China, have a uniquely differentiated portfolio of properties and product offering in Macau. Now, moving on to Marina Bay Sands in Singapore.
We had another strong quarter at Marina Bay Sands, much to the surprise of certain analysts' report I read last night that said we were going to earn only $333 million. We had another strong quarter with adjusted property EBITDA of $415 million, while whole normalized EBITDA was $371 million. Despite a 22% decline in rolling volumes, our whole normalized EBITDA was down by only 2% year-on-year. On a constant currency basis, the whole normalized EBITDA was up 3%. I think this, again, just demonstrates the quality and resilience of the cash flow generation at Marina Bay Sands. I'm extremely pleased to say that our strong financial results confirm that we have an outstanding business there. To quote Mark Twain, "The rumors of Singapore's demise as a world-class integrated resort destination are both greatly exaggerated and certainly premature." Mass win per day was $4.7 million, up 1% year-on-year.
When adjusted for the currency effect, our mass win per day in SGD terms was actually up by 6%, principally driven by our successful efforts in bringing in foreign premium mass customers to Singapore, particularly in the non-rolling tables segment. Q1 was in fact the all-time quarterly record in mass win per day in SGD. We have maintained a prudent reserve ratio during the quarter, and we will continue to maintain the highest compliance standards in the industry, not only in Singapore, but globally. Marina Bay Sands continues to serve as the most important reference site for emerging jurisdictions that are considering large-scale integrated resort developments. The iconic appeal of Marina Bay Sands has driven strong growth in visitation from residents of China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, the wider Asian region, and around the world to Marina Bay Sands and Singapore.
We remain focused on potential development opportunities in Japan, also Korea and Vietnam. We believe our unique convention-based integrated resort development model could bring meaningful benefits to those countries in terms of business and leisure tourism, employment, and economic growth. Let me also touch on Las Vegas. I want to welcome George Markantonis as our new property president for The Venetian and The Palazzo, as well as the Sands Expo in Las Vegas. We believe there are significant opportunities to improve our performance here in Las Vegas, and George is going to be an integral part of that effort. Now on to my favorite subject, the return of capital to shareholders. The confidence we have in the strength of our business and the reliability and predictability of our cash flows have allowed us to progressively increase the return of capital to shareholders. Ours remains a uniquely privileged business model.
We can continue to return significant amounts of capital to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks while retaining more than sufficient financial strength to pursue both organic growth and new development opportunities. Over the last 13 quarters to March 31, 2015, we've returned nearly $10.5 billion to our shareholders through dividends and stock buybacks, including $8.6 billion to Las Vegas Sands shareholders and in Hong Kong dollars, the equivalent of over $1.85 billion to the shareholders of Sands China. For 2015, as previously announced, the board of directors has increased the LVS dividend by 30% to $2.60 per year or $0.65 per quarter. The increase in the dividend will take place with the next quarterly dividend payment, which will be made on June 30. We have every intention of increasing the dividends in the years ahead as our business and cash flow grow.
We have approximately $1.76 billion remaining under our current stock buyback authorization. While we did not repurchase any stock in the most recent quarter, we most certainly look forward to continuing to utilize the stock buyback program to return capital to shareholders as we have excess capital to return in the future and to enhance long-term shareholder returns. In conclusion, we will continue to stay disciplined and execute our business plan. With the right strategy and the right management team in place, I am more confident than ever about our future success. Let's now take some questions.
Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Joe Greff from JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Good afternoon, all. I have a question for you on the margins in Macau. It's a couple of one-part question. The margin in Macau were below what we were forecasting. We completely get and understand that Macau is presently very challenging. Were there any one-time expenses, such as a large bump in the provision for doubtful accounts, or maybe expenses that you would describe as yield experimenting, where you're trying to optimize revenue mix that maybe didn't work out that maybe aren't there going forward? In other words, do you think margins are sustainable from here, and what can you do to manage or reduce controllable expenses in this environment?
Joe, it's Rob. I think as you know, market changes in Macau have been sudden and dramatic. Six months ago, this was a high-growth market. Now obviously it's down as much as 40%. Our business in Macau is not just the biggest in the market in terms of financial profit and number of employees, but also the most complex and multidimensional. We are strong believers in the long-term outlook in Macau. We welcome some of the structural changes taking place that will help make it a more sustainable, healthier market over time. We're going to stay invested in Macau for the long term and therefore make some adjustments to our business. There's a cost and efficiencies. We have to balance multiple constituencies, fair to our employees, support the government of Macau in making Macau into a world-class destination, also satisfy the shareholders.
We've invested so much in human resources and operating capability in many business lines, not just gaming, but hotel, entertainment, retail, F&B, MICE. We're trying not to have a quick, short-term, knee-jerk reaction, but make a careful assessment of what's right for the business long term. When you invest and develop all these non-gaming businesses on a large scale, you do incur more fixed costs than our competitors. We believe this is the right thing to do in the long term. That being said, we have to assume for the time being, there'll be no recovery in gaming for the balance of this year. We have to make some tough decisions the next six to 12 months to improve margins. That being said, there's nothing particular for this quarter. We're somewhat hoping for a little more recovery in the top line.
We continue to assess the opportunities on the cost side and to improve our business. We did, as you know, we won't single out on the junket situation. We're the only people in town not doing phone betting, which did hurt us somewhat, I think, in the junket segment. Otherwise, it was business as usual. We're trying to navigate our way through what is a very different market than six months ago.
Okay. Then my second question. Go ahead, Sheldon.
Hi, Joe.
Thanks.
It looks to me, like in the first three months of the year, the figure 39% sticks out. If it's consistent over three months and it continues another couple of months, it would not be unreasonable for somebody to conclude that a bottom has been reached. Now, I can't say that that's the case because, as I said, we're sailing in uncharted waters. I hope we don't sink like that boat out in the Mediterranean.
We're not sinking.
And just to-
I just got a new boat. I don't want to.
Just a final comment on that.
It kind of looks to me like we've hit bottom. It's not so erratic that it goes from 30% down to 50% down. It stayed within the 39%, 40% range. It gives me a more comfortable feeling that this should be the turnaround point. Again, I'm not the analyst.
Your mass business also between the fourth quarter and the first quarter had consistent margins just below 40%.
The quarter-on-quarter, Joe, just to clarify, we have percentage rent, obviously in the fourth quarter, which was impactful, about $40 million. Luck adjusted, about $40 million. QOQ, we're down about 15%-16%. Q1 2015 to Q4 2014.
Into the dollar.
Yes.
Got it. My follow-up question relates to the dividend in the U.S. If we're at this level of quarterly Macau EBITDA generation of $530 million or something lower, do you have any qualm with levering up your balance sheet, presumably outside Macau, obviously, to sustain the current U.S. dividend of $2.50? What would be the max net leverage level that you would be comfortable living with for some period of time? That's it for me. Thank you.
Well, depends who you're asking.
I'm asking you, Sheldon.
My level of comfort extends to about 0.1%. I know that's not according to all the financial engineers listening to me, that I would probably feel comfortable at two and a half times. I just have a feeling that perhaps we might see an emerging market up through the clouds and during a time of weather when we could use it. I'd rather not go out and borrow money now, because if in the near future, which could be 6 months, 12 months, 18 months, we could use a few billion dollars, I'd rather keep our powder dry for that. If, however, it seems that interest rates are going to jump through the roof in one quantum leap, we may reconsider and do something before the rates go up too high. That's an answer, and it's not an answer, but that's what's thinking in my mind.
Great. Thank you for your thoughts. Thanks.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Jon Oh from CLSA. Your line is open.
Thank you. A question on the cost again, and I guess the margins in Macau. As you think about this cost restraint or this curtailing effort that you guys are embarking on for the remainder of this year. Could you help us understand the priority of cost that you'll be taking out, especially as it relates to fixed costs versus variable costs? How should I be thinking, and how should I be modeling the priorities of taking out player reinvestment? How much can you curtail that? How do we think about labor, and how do we think about just general OpEx? What kind of headroom have you got just for me to better understand how much cost can really be extracted to be in tandem with how fast revenue is kind of falling?
Hey, Jon, if we're going to tell you how to do your figuring, I'm going to make a claim for your pay, including bonus.
All right, Jon. Thanks.
Jon, obviously, the biggest number in Macau, which no one can impact, is taxes paid on gaming revenue. It's off the table, clearly. Second thing would be direct incentives paid to customers. That's where there's opportunity, I think, across the market to be more judicious, not just in our stores, but across the market. As you know, we're very protective of our Macanese labor force and very respectful of our employees. We've built a great employee base, and we don't want to hurt that. If people leave us on their own volition, that's one thing, but we're going to work very hard to ensure our employees are well taken care of and well cared for. That's off the table. What's on the table is our other costs, not direct against the employee, but perhaps other structural costs as well as costs in the marketing side.
As you know, we've been the leaders. We've run more entertainment, more boxing, more everything, than everyone else combined in Macau. As Sheldon alluded to, it's very popular to talk about non-gaming spend. This company has spent more than anybody and more than everybody combined. We're reexamining that and trying to figure how do we put our best foot forward, maintain the importance of having headline entertainment, having boxing, having all these important events we've spearheaded, and we've led in the Cotai Strip, our Cotai Arena, and balance that with the margins you allude to. We're very keen to do two things, run our business intelligently for the short and long term. We're reexamining every nickel and dime we spend, both on direct incentives to customers, marketing incentives to the market itself. CapEx is on the table.
We've actually pulled back some of our expenditures on things that were not critical to our growth. Everything's on the table. We'd love to see a return to a better day in Macau on the top line, but we don't see that short term. Short term, we're thinking about expense control. As you know, probably the biggest controllable expense would be reinvestment in the customer and reinvestment in the general market in terms of the arena and the advertising spend, et cetera. We're running a very, very multifaceted, diverse business in Macau, much more so than other people. It's more complex to curtail and control the spending. Again, we believe in long-term Macau very, very much. We don't want to do something that's foolish in the short term to make an extra point or two. Our balance sheet is stellar.
Our ability to run our business is stellar. Our confidence level in Macau is very high, and we believe we'll resurrect the top line. While we'd like to report better numbers this quarter and next and beyond that, we have a long-term commitment to this market and long-term belief it will resurrect.
Okay. That's helpful. If I can follow up with a broader question and maybe something that is more positive. As you look at the policies that we've seen in China, and this is a more broader macro kind of view that I'd like to get from you guys. We've seen several key measures coming out of Beijing that kind of speaks to easing and one that is looking to stimulate China, both monetary and also fiscal policies. We've seen that even as recent as a couple of weeks ago, where the stock exchange restrictions between Hong Kong and China have been kind of eased. Do you think that with this sustained economic stimulus and also the fiscal stimulus that China is embarking, how do you think that plays out to your business?
Are you sensing that perhaps there will be a translation effect, and how would you think about what it means to the outlook for maybe the rest of this year and also for next year?
He's Chinese. He ought to tell us.
I think he's talking.
Last time I looked, Jon, you looked Chinese. I looked at Goldstein, they look like a Philadelphia Jew.
Well, I'll tell you, Jon, we do believe there's a lot of demand, of pent-up demand that wants to come to Macao. Once the external factors are decided by the governments, that demand will resurrect. I'm a firm believer, being there last week and seeing the amount of people in The Venetian, the body count and visitation, there is pent-up demand. People want to gamble and come to Macao and shop and eat and sleep overnight. I just believe this market has demand. It has lots of demand. It just needs a few things to turn our way, to turn the faucet back on a bit. That's beyond our control, and we support the government in their attitude, in their measures, and we'll wait respectfully for a better day.
I was there with Rob and Patrick last week, almost for the whole week, and we left on Sunday. I have to tell you, I started to walk through two quadrants of the Venetian Casino. It was unbelievable. I'd never seen it so crowded since we built it in 2007. In eight years, I haven't seen any of our properties as crowded as it was. Frankly, I had to have my security guys push a way through so that I could get through. It was the busiest and most crowded I've ever seen. Of course, that was in the mass market.
Yeah. Pure mass. Yep.
Pure mass.
Yeah.
Thanks, Jon.
Okay, thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Shaun Kelley from Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Maybe to build on the last question about policies. One thing that seems like it popped up more recently was some discussion around a possible visitation cap, and I think, Sheldon, you referred to that in some of your prepared remarks. I guess my question is twofold. First of all, do you think that Macau will actually look to cap visitors to the market overall, and how do you think that would be enforced? Second of all, why do you think that they would do this if it actually is going to be put in place, or you think it might? We've had a lot of investor kind of curiosity as to why this would make sense with the backdrop of so much supply coming online here.
Well, I'd like to give you my own personal opinion. I think the chances of that happening are that I wake up tomorrow morning, and all my hair will be grown back. By nine o'clock. There's no chance in my mind whatsoever. I've talked to various members of the government, and they have said that that's the opinion of one man who sincerely, and with very good intentions, believed that something like that may be good. When I discussed with him and his staff about how it could be done, there was no indication that any of it could be done.
For instance, I said, "You could do it very easily just to put a time limit on the opening hours of the Gongbei Border Gate and then refer everybody to the Lotus Gate, the Lotus Bridge, and Lotus Gate coming in." That way, you take them off of the peninsula, where the vast majority of the local population is, and you ship them to the Adelson-created Cotai Strip, that you put them in one hotel, and they'll go with the soon-to-be 13,000 hotel rooms, and close to 1,000 retail shops, they'll never have to leave. With probably 100+ restaurants, and very good ones, too. Every time I come back, I got to go on a diet for the good food in Macau. There's no question. If you leave them off in Cotai, they'll stay in Cotai, and that's the whole purpose.
It'll eliminate a lot of the buses, it'll eliminate a lot of the traffic, et cetera. When the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao bridge opens, I'm told from my conversations with some people who know better than I do last week, that it's not going to delay until 2020, that it'll open sometime between 2016 and 2017. I don't know that for sure, just what somebody's opinion was. On the issue of capping I have been told that it is not a decision by the government, it's only a suggestion by one of the ministers with very good intentions, but it had been thought out.
I told him that with my 42 years of experience in the MICE industry, that it's my opinion that I would never, as an organizer, book an event in Macau if I knew there was a possibility that the guy who came through the gate before me was the last guy, the 21 millionth person to go through, and too bad I was one extra guy, and I couldn't get in. That can't be an exhibitor, an exhibitor staff, the president of an exhibiting company, or a big buyer that wants to come in and buy something from the trade show or the group. I think although it comes with good intentions, and there may even be I also told him there may be some rationale, but it's not doable. It's just not doable.
You'd have to take, let's see, would you run from January 1st, let everybody in till you hit 21 million people? Or why don't we take 21 million divided by 365, and it comes out to 57,000. Every day at 57,000, we just shut the gate. I mean, it's just impossible. I'm surprised that some people that are listening to this, although it comes from a reliable source, it is not the position of the Macau government at this time. It's a suggestion of an individual minister, again, I say with good intentions and trying to do a good job. From my standpoint as a MICE operator, all the MICE to Macau will collapse, and they won't let that happen.
That's very clear, appreciate that. I guess my follow-up on a slightly different subject would just be, I think, Rob, you alluded to possibly some CapEx shifting and changing of priorities. It looked like in the schedule that you guys gave in the slide deck, that you had pushed out some of the timing around The Parisian CapEx. Can you just elaborate on that a little bit? Are you planning on changing the opening timeline there, or what's just the latest update on when you think The Parisian's going to open?
Two things, Shaun Kelley. One is we are examining all our CapEx, non-Parisian, Parisian, just reconsider what makes sense in this environment, be it room renovations, what type of renovations, retail, restaurants. Everything's under consideration because we are trying to be more prudent and think about the market as changing. As far as the Parisian, we're still looking at that being late 2016. Depends on labor and allocations. That could increase depending on where they're at. Last week, we were under consideration for additional labor, and that date could move up depending on the government's decision on labor allocation to us. I get the sense we may get a boost in terms of labor allocation. It hasn't been confirmed yet. That would change.
The date could move between late summer of 2016 all the way to the Thanksgiving period in November of 2016, depending on the government's decision on labor allocation.
It could be as early as late spring or early summer.
We requested more labor. We seem to get a favorable response. No final determination is made as of today.
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Allen with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Hey. Couple of questions on occupancy. It was down significantly in the quarter in Macau, you highlighted that it was better than the market. I noticed that I got some promotions for retail visitors to come, depending on their spend at the mall, they could get a free room. Is that an opportunity that you guys can assess or access going forward? Is this something that occupancy has gone down for the past two quarters, you could start to do more and get some traction there? Then also just in Singapore, I noticed there was a significant decline in occupancy. Can you just talk about what was going on there, too? Thank you.
Sure.
I don't think that's a hotel promotion. It sounds to me like it's a promotion from the retail mall. We don't market the mall that way. We've never done it since we opened here in 1999. We don't say, "You buy a lot in the retail mall, and we'll give you a free room." That's like a bank getting frequent flyer points from somebody else other than an airline. If you ride buses, you get frequent flyer points on one of the airlines. We don't do that, and I suspect that, as I said, that is a promotion from the mall itself.
A couple of thoughts in your comments. First of all, we agree that the occupancy has fallen a bit in Macau. When you think about Macau, we were the only people in that market selling cash rooms for the last couple of years. The rest of the market basically comped off 90% because of the demand for casino guests who gave you a high enough return on that room. Now that's changed dramatically. The market's now selling rooms. A lot of people are selling rooms due to junket reduction and obviously the premium mass reduction. Whereas some companies, including us, were comping aggressively to people with theoretical losses at three and four and five times the price of the room, that's changed. There's more competition for the cash $ on the room side. Having said that, we still think structurally our room advantage is huge.
If we can get back in the nineties, which is our goal. To your point about retail, we are trying to marry more of our retail advertising to the room customer. The thinking there is that we focused a lot on other parts of the resort, and we find out that shopping ranks very, very high in the consumers, things they want to do when they reach Macau. We have, as Sheldon alluded to, hundreds and hundreds of stores, all price points ranging from the lowest to the Chanel of the world. Our range is huge. The shopping advantage, we think under one roof with our food, our shopping, our gaming, and of course, our sleeping rooms, it's a unique opportunity to blend them all together and to promote, to get more occupancy.
One, business has fallen in Macau because there's more people chasing the cash customer. We're not alone in that space anymore. Two, though, we think the opportunity to blend retail to the overall offering of the resort is wonderful because we find that when people sleep in our hotel, they do shop more in our hotels and, of course, gamble more in our hotels.
Eat more.
Eat more, yeah, stuff like that. Well, especially us. I'm sure the customer, they look awful thin. We don't look so thin. On the Singapore side.
Speaking for yourself, Goldstein.
Well, I'm feeling it. Singapore, you're right. Our occupancy fell a bit. It's a combination of two things. One, there's a currency issue there. You'll note that we mentioned a $4.7 million a day casino win on the non-rolling slot ETG, our best quarter ever. Currency effect is more like $5 million a day. We had a really great quarter. Same thing happened, though, on the room side. We got hurt somewhat by the currency impact. That hurt us on the rate. As far as occupancy, we had a fall off a bit, as you can tell by our diminished rolling numbers, Thomas. We were off in the rolling business, I think 22%. Our ADR is driven somewhat, like all high-end casinos, we sell rooms to our casino at very high rates. The suites go for up to $10,000 a night in Singapore. They're massive suites.
When that customer doesn't come, we lose some rate and some occupancy at the very top tier of the market. As you know, our hotel is still the exemplary hotel probably in all of Asia as far as iconic architecture, et cetera. The place still does tremendously well. We did have an off quarter in terms of occupancy and rate. I think that'll resurrect in terms of as things get healthier with the high-end Chinese business. You're absolutely right in those comments. That's an issue for us to deal with in Singapore, along with the currency issue that continues to be weak against the U.S. dollar.
Well, it may be leveling off again because the Singapore dollar was up at SGD 1.37 plus, almost SGD 1.38. I just looked at my calculator, my smartphone here, which is clearly smarter than I am.
I suppose that on.
Huh?
I suppose that on during the call.
I have special privileges.
Okay. Are you somebody?
Yeah. I used to be. I just looked at it. It's at 134.
Yeah.
Some of the articles in the business section of The Straits Times in the local newspapers say that some of the Malaysian and Indonesian visitors have slowed down a little bit because the Singapore dollar in relation to the Malaysian, Indonesian currency is a little discouraging for them. I think it's going to turn around. Everything is cyclical, and I never hedge because I'm quite certain, and it's been going that way for me most of my life, except when I was in grammar school, that the currency, if it goes one way, it's going the other way soon. I don't get nervous or depressed or upset about the currency volatility because, and at least in Singapore, it's a very, very stable currency.
For now, do we still have the highest ADR in the Singapore market? I think by far.
Okay, just as my follow-up, just on capital returns, you have almost $2.5 billion of cash. I guess just bigger picture, why didn't you buy back any stock during the quarter? In the past you said you were going to do about $75 million a month. Has that gone away? Thanks.
I think we're going to be opportunistic in the way that we repurchase shares in the future. I think we're looking to protect the dividend in such a way we view it as a permanent obligation. It's something we want to be able to grow substantially in the future. You heard the chairman earlier on the call saying that in his view, we'll grow it at least 10% per annum for the next three years. As a goal, we'd like to do more than that. I think we're accumulating cash and evaluating the market to make sure that we have the capital to do what we want to do. I think we'll continue to use share repurchases as a way to return capital to shareholders in the future. This quarter, we chose not to.
Okay, very straightforward. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of Carlo Santarelli with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Thanks, guys. Good afternoon. Sheldon, you provided some color in terms of what the floor looked like at The Venetian. Now when looking at the industry data and seeing the last three months of occupied room nights or hotel guests being down mid to high single digits, obviously some months are distorted given comps. When you think about what was once a VIP issue trickling down and apparently showing up in the mass business a little bit more, how do you guys get comfortable with adding hotel room supply, and how do you view the amount of hotel rooms that are coming to Cotai over the next several years?
Well, first I'll say that none of the hotels are even approaching where we are. Most of the hotels are somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000, or 1,500 to 1,700 or 1,800. We're doing over 3,000. We've asked the government, as you might have read some of the press clippings lately, I've asked the government for another 2,500 non-gaming hotel. Look, this has been my philosophy right from the beginning. If you build critical mass, they will come. You could take a spot in the middle of a desert or on the seashore, and you build a city, and people are going to come. The validation of that belief is something called Cotai Strip. Everybody said, "You're crazy. All of the activity is on the peninsula in Macau, and nobody's going to go out there." I'm of the conviction. Now, look, everybody is building.
Each one of the concessionaires are building, and the small sub-licensed operators that were sub-licenses from Stanley Ho, which is now operating under SJM, they're not building. They don't have any land that they won't build in Cotai, and Cotai will be, like I said, right from the beginning, I compared the Las Vegas Strip to the downtown Las Vegas, and that's what it's turning out to be, the Cotai Strip versus the peninsula. They're not going to move out to where we are, and our critical mass is going to carry the day. I never heard people say, it's a must-see to go to StarWorld, or to go to the Waldo, or to go to any one of our competitors. What I do hear everybody say, when you go to Macau, you got to go see The Venetian.
Thanks.
And because-
Thanks, Sheldon
it's the critical mass of hotel rooms, of tables, of restaurants, of MICE facilities, of shopping, et cetera.
Understood. Thank you.
If the two words would ever apply to Sheldon Adelson, it won't be, hey, you, it'll be critical mass.
Yay dividends.
Yay dividends. I forgot to say that today.
As we have reached the allotted time for today's call, we will be taking one final question, which comes from the line of Robin Farley with UBS. Your line is open.
Great. I know you commented a little bit on why you didn't do share repurchase in the quarter. I wonder if you could just give a little bit more forward-looking color in terms of, if you're committed to raise the dividend, does that mean we shouldn't expect share repurchase maybe for the next couple of quarters?
No. It has nothing to do with anything. We have an enormous amount of cash flow, probably, I don't know, as much as the other U.S. companies combined. I think that in Macau, we bottomed out, as you've heard my own opinion, but I can't guarantee that, of course. I just have a good feeling. I get the vibes, let's say, that I think one of these emerging markets are going to open up soon. I want to make sure that we have enough money, and, as you've heard me say before, I'm risk averse, and I'd rather keep our powder dry for the time being than it may be opportunistic to go in tomorrow. We are not excluding any of this.
It depends what signs we see, and my interests are aligned with yours, and I own 54% of the company. Your interests align with mine. I love dividends. My yay dividends statement is yay stock buyback as well. We can't do all of it. We can't do special dividends, regular dividends, constantly increasing, and stock buybacks, and just throw money out the window. We could do that. We could throw money. We'll try to do everything because, when I'm sitting in the board meeting and having a discussion about, although I don't take a vote, that's only from an ethical viewpoint, ethical and moral viewpoint. Everybody knows how I feel. They're looking at me and say, "This guy at the end of the table owns 54% of the company. You think he wants an increased dividend? He wants us to buy some stock back?
Okay. Thank you.
Thanks, Robin.
Thank you.
Okay. I think that it's been fun. It's been good to answer all your questions and to talk to you and to think about where a company is going. I just want to point something out to you. I haven't sold a share, not since the last time I said that. There is nothing in my thinking that has changed at all. I have no intention of selling any shares in the foreseeable future.
Okay.
At my age, I got a long view forward. Thanks, everyone.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.