Earnings Call: Q1 2020

May 6, 2020

Good day, and welcome to the Rubicon Project First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nick Kormeluk of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Rubicon Project's Q1 2020 earnings conference call following our merger with Telaria. Since Telaria merger closed subsequent to the close of the Q1, full financial results and our 10 Q will be presented on a Rubicon project standalone basis and we will provide summary results and commentary for Telaria's Q1 performance. On this call, we will provide commentary on combined business trends following the impact of COVID-nineteen and actions we are taking to adjust. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Joining me on the call today are Michael Barrett, CEO David Day, our CFO and Mark Zagorski, President and COO for the Q and A session, all from different locations. I would like to point out that we have posted our financial highlight slides to our Investor Relations website to accompany today's presentation. Before we get started, I will remind you that our prepared remarks and answers to questions will include information that might be considered to be forward looking statements, including but not limited to statements concerning our anticipated financial performance and strategic objectives, including the potential impacts of the COVID-nineteen pandemic on our business. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. They reflect our current views with respect to future events. Based on our assumptions and subject to known and unknown uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from expectations or results projected or implied by forward looking statements, including with respect to the severity and duration of the COVID-nineteen pandemic. A discussion of these and other risks, uncertainties and assumptions is set forth in the company's periodic reports filed with the SEC, including our 2019 annual report on Form 10 ks and subsequent filings and including our 10 Q for the Q1 of 2020. We undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements or relevant risks. Our commentary today will include non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations between GAAP and non GAAP metrics for our reported results contain our earnings press release and in the financial highlights deck that is posted on our Investor Relations website. We define cash flow as adjusted EBITDA, less capital expenditures, which excludes changes in working capital. At times in response to your questions we may offer incremental metrics to provide greater insights into the dynamics of our business. Please be advised that this additional detail may be one time in nature and we may or may not provide an update on the future of these metrics. I encourage you to visit the Investor Relations website to access our press release, financial highlights deck, periodic SEC reports and webcast replay of today's call to learn more about Rubicon Project. I will now turn the call over to Michael. Please go ahead. Thank you, Nick. The world's health behaviors, the global economy, advertising and more specific to us, the digital programmatic advertising market have all changed quite significantly since our last earnings call, which was just 10 weeks ago. On the one hand, we are thrilled with the completion of our merger with Telaria, which is transformative for our combined future. On the other hand, it seems a bit trivial to be presenting our financial results at a time when the world is squarely focused on fighting this pandemic and dealing with many lives that have been so severely impacted. Operating safely now and returning to normal business operations is a goal we all share and we take our job to best manage this tremendous shareholder's employees and customers seriously. So how have we been affecting this company? We officially closed the majority of our offices in conjunction with the California and New York orders on Friday, March 20 and some sooner like Milan and Tokyo. And we strongly encourage working from home even before then across all of our global offices. Very adept at working while traveling and from home. We first noticed an impact on spending revenue in mid March. Prior to mid March, we are tracking within the range of our revenue guidance for Q1. The impact continues to worsen to the first half of April before showing signs of stabilizing in the second half with total April revenue down roughly 30% year over year. As a result, we increased our treatment energy cost reductions of $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 to now exceed $20,000,000 in cost reductions. We have also taken additional short term cash flow, which David will discuss in more detail. On a more positive note, CTV has continued to grow, albeit at a lower rate with a year over year increase in April of approximately 10% and has also stabilized in the last several weeks. As an omnichannel SSP, we have significant diversity across ad categories and even more so post merger with CTV. As you can imagine, certain verticals have been significantly impacted such as travel and media and entertainment, whereas others have benefited such as e commerce, technology, direct to consumer and performance advertising. It's reasonable to expect that as many of the sectors in the economy reopen and rebound, advertising and our corresponding revenue in those areas will follow. We've seen a surge in ad request volumes and although the ad spend is late for many publishers, the increase in ad supported CTV, viewership and behavioral changes has the potential to result in larger and broader audiences as we exit the pandemic. Post COVID CTV ad slide out of roughly 25% when compared to pre COVID volumes. We continue to evangelize the benefits of programmatic to CTV publishers looking to achieve efficiencies and monetize increased ad avails correlating with the boom of viewership. Lastly, we remain focused on accelerating SPO as buyers and sellers look to consolidate spend around the most financially stable companies. Now for Q1 results. For Rubicon Project standalone, Q1 revenue was $36,300,000 reflecting year over year revenue growth of 12%. As I stated at the top of the call, we were on pace to fall within our guidance through mid March. Q1 adjusted EBITDA was 2,800,000 dollars While the merger was not completed until April 1, on a standalone basis, total revenue was $16,000,000 up 11% year over year and SaaS PTT revenue was $9,100,000 in the and the opportunity to keep it vague. We believe that adoption of ad supported CPV is at an inflection point for growth and is transforming now. Here's what we're seeing from the consumer, publisher and buyer perspectives. On the consumer side, CTV viewership is up from the global shelter at home orders and consumer discretionary spending is under significant pressure from unemployment and job losses, accelerating cord cutting trends and the shift from subscription to lower cost ad supported models. On the buyer side, upfront ad buys from brands and agencies have been and are expected to be canceled, shifting more spend from linear to the stock market that programmatic serves. CTV has become the focal point of discussion with our buyers as further evidenced by The Trade Desk's recent update on CTV acceleration. From the publisher side, programmatic CTV addresses subscription fatigue and gives publishers flexibility to optimize their revenue models. It drives higher CPMs, allows publishers to use their first party data to make advertising more addressable and has the potential to drive internal efficiencies from a cost and pricing perspective. Shifting gears, we continue to see strong adoption of Demand Manager. At the end of Q1, we had 156 live contracts as compared to 86 at year end. Revenue was growing and we expect it will continue to steadily grow in 2020. The current environment is very supportive of increased demand manager adoption as publishers look to decrease cost and optimize revenue. While the short term negative impact of COVID-nineteen is unclear at this time due to lower batch spend. We are very happy with the increased interest, pipeline growth and long term prospects. The key growth drivers for our business remain the same. We are focused on continuing to invest in CTV as our fastest growth area, driving revenue synergies in the combined OTT Video businesses, accelerating SPL as the transparent independent omnichannel partner and growing our publisher focused pre bid offering with Demand Manager. Times like today with technical changes in daily behaviors, business closures, uncertainty and economic recession provide transformational opportunities in markets such as ours. Our employees have proven to be extremely resilient when facing these tough challenges and are showing they are capable of doing this by working harder, balancing working from home and not just maintaining, but continuing to allow our company to play offense. I couldn't be more proud of the efforts I've seen from our team and the company that we are already becoming post merger and will be on the other side of COVID-nineteen. The fact that we lived through a very difficult industry transition over the last few years has prepared us very well for the situation and has allowed us to execute in this environment very calmly and thoughtfully. During that time, there were quarters in which our year over year revenue declined by over 50%. We cut costs, continued to build our tech, we turned our business to growth and made great progress on profitability, which was not easy to balance. I am very confident that on the other side of the recession, whenever that is, we will emerge as a much stronger and better positioned company. With that, I will hand things over to David, who will go into greater detail regarding our Q1 financial performance, cost reductions and expectations. Thanks, Michael. We had very solid results for Q1 considering the revenue drop off we experienced in the second half of March. On a standalone basis, Rubicon Project delivered $36,300,000 in revenue, a 12% increase year over year. I believe it's helpful to note that we were tracking in line with our guidance prior to the impact of COVID-nineteen. We delivered adjusted EBITDA of $2,800,000 for a margin of 8% in Q1 2020 as compared to approximately breakeven adjusted EBITDA in Q1 2019. The Q1 year over year increase in revenue was driven by 22% mobile growth and continued strength in audio. Desktop revenue was flat year over year. Operating expenses, which in our case includes cost of revenue, for the Q1 of 20 20 were $47,000,000 versus $45,700,000 in the same period a year ago, driven primarily by onetime merger related costs. On an adjusted EBITDA basis, operating expenses, including cost of revenue, for the Q1 were $33,500,000 as compared to $33,200,000 in Q4 2019 and as compared to the $32,500,000 in Q1 2019. This was also below the $35,000,000 in total adjusted EBITDA operating expenses we expected. We continue to benefit from the traffic shaping, filtering and general efficiency gains we discussed in the past. As a result, our gross margin for the Q1 was 61%, up from 53% in the same period a year ago. We believe these tools are crucial differentiators for us in managing infrastructure costs as we have seen a large increase in ad requests. In April, we experienced a surge of ad requests representing a year over year increase of over 50%. Onetime deal related costs in Q1 were approximately $2,000,000 and are excluded from adjusted EBITDA. Net loss was $9,700,000 in the Q1 of 2020 as compared to a net loss of $12,500,000 in the Q1 of 2019. As I mentioned earlier, adjusted EBITDA was $2,800,000 which represents an 8% margin compared to adjusted EBITDA breakeven reported in the same period 1 year ago. The improvements in net income and adjusted EBITDA were driven primarily by higher revenues as we've been able to run at an essentially flat cost base for the last 6 quarters. GAAP loss per share was $0.18 for the Q1 of 2020 compared to GAAP loss per share of $0.24 in the same period in 2019. Non GAAP loss per share in the Q1 of 2020 was $0.06 compared to non GAAP loss per share of $0.14 reported for the same period in 2019. Capital expenditures, including purchases of property and equipment as well as capitalized internal use software development costs for $4,800,000 for the Q1 of 2020, in line with our guidance. We closed the Q1 with $71,000,000 in cash, a decrease of $18,000,000 from the $89,000,000 balance at the end of Q4. The cash decrease was driven primarily by deal related costs of approximately $2,000,000 cash used to cover taxes restricted stock vesting in January of $7,500,000 and a working capital decrease of roughly 6,000,000 dollars We began this next chapter as a combined company with approximately $125,000,000 in cash. As a reminder, our cash balances can swing disproportionately, both up and down, compared to the run rate of our business since we collect and pay the gross amount of flow through to our sellers, while we record revenue on a net basis. The potential magnitude of these swings may also be influenced by the impact of COVID-nineteen, particularly on our buyers, although we have not experienced significant issues to date. In connection with the Telari merger, which closed on April 1, 2020, the company previously announced expected annual run rate cost synergies of $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 with expected areas of synergy to include duplicative public company costs, vendor rationalization, overlapping general and administrative costs and other operational streamlining. We currently expect total annual run rate cost reductions from these combined activities to exceed 20,000,000 dollars As a result of these efforts, we are reducing headcount by approximately 8% of our combined workforce. The headcount reductions will occur in the Q2 of 2020, although timing for a number of individuals involved in integration and transition activities will occur late in the year. Given the timing in implementing these synergies and the impact of one time severance and other costs, the majority of the cost savings will not be realized until late this year, which should be fully realized in early 2021. Given the significant impact resulting from COVID-nineteen, we're also taking additional short term actions, such as compensation reductions, which include a 30% reduction to CEO salary and Board retainer and a hiring freeze. As expected, we will also have lower costs from marketing events and travel. The temporary reductions will benefit us immediately and remain in place until such time as we see a sustainable recovery in revenue. I'll now share some indications for our Q2. In addition, given the complexities of the cost impact of the Telaria merger and the related expected merger cost synergies, the short term cost reductions due to COVID-nineteen and some incremental tech stack investments planned for 2020, I will also provide more detail regarding our adjusted EBITDA operating expense expectations for the rest of the year. We expect revenue for the Q2 to be in the range of $36,000,000 to $39,000,000 These revenue expectations are based on the level of year over year revenue decline that we are currently experiencing. It is, of course, challenging to handicap how revenue will respond in these very uncertain times. Although we have seen revenue stabilization and are cautiously optimistic that trend will continue. We expect that adjusted EBITDA operating expenses in Q2, including cost of revenue, will be approximately $48,000,000 to $49,000,000 We have been able to generate significant efficiencies in our business despite steep increases in ad volumes, which were further magnified in April from COVID inventory surges. This efficiency comes as a direct result of the benefit from our traffic shaping and other tech stack capabilities, which are even more valuable in times like these for us and valuable in helping customers manage efficiency by keeping or limiting their QPS levels or queries per second with minimal impact to revenue. Our efficiency gains and careful cost management have allowed us to keep adjusted EBITDA operating expenses relatively flat over the last 6 quarters despite significant ad request volume growth. That said, we are planning for some incremental investment in our serving costs over the remainder of the year. Part of the investment will include greater leverage of cloud capabilities, which in the short term will add incremental costs, but which we believe in the long term will provide additional benefit to our overall serving cost efficiencies. Inclusive of our cost reduction efforts mentioned earlier, we expect that adjusted EBITDA expenses will increase by an additional $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 per quarter in Q3 and in Q4 from our Q2 expectations. Our goal for adjusted EBITDA expense is to remain in the $50,000,000 to $52,000,000 range per quarter for the second half. We expect that one time deal and merger related cash payments for both companies in Q2 2020, including banking, legal and severance costs will be approximately $16,000,000 We expect Q2 2020 CapEx to be approximately $3,500,000 and expect that CapEx on a combined basis for the full year 2020 will be roughly $22,000,000 compared to our prior standalone estimate of slightly higher than $20,000,000 As Michael mentioned, we have successfully navigated similar challenging financial waters before. We will continue to be prudent in our cost expenditures, while also leveraging our balance sheet to continue important investments in CTD, demand manager, tech stack efficiency and other initiatives so that we will be ideally positioned to capture market share and more accelerated growth coming out of this recession. We remain very excited about the market opportunity as a much stronger company following our combination with CLARIA. Once revenue growth returns, we are confident we will demonstrate the leverage in our financial model as we did over 2018 2019. With that, let's open the line for Q and A. We will now begin the question and answer The first question comes from Jason Kreyer of Craig Hallum. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Hope everybody is well in quarantining. Yes, please. I wanted to just ask Michael Michael, I wanted to ask you just maybe you can walk through what the environment has looked like over the last 8 weeks kind of on a media type or a channel basis. You gave commentary on CTV. It sounds like that's been a little bit more resilient. But perhaps you can provide some qualitative remarks on the differences between display and audio and video in different types. Yes. Hey, Jason. Yes, great question. And I think that we have seen channels that were growing media type channels that were growing faster than channels like say for instance desktop display performed slightly better in this environment just given the rate of growth that they coming into it and the popularity from advertisers. But it's safe to say that with the lightened ad load and the decrease in whole categories of advertising that no one channel of media is immune from this decline in spend, including CTV. But as we said, it's a bright spot. It's still growing, certainly not at the 74% range that it was in Q1, but we anticipate it to continue to grow, which is a real outlier. Okay, thanks. And Michael, I wanted to get your perspective on Connected TV. This is kind of the first public forum since the merger was completed. So perhaps you can give like the Rubicon perspective on where you see Connected TV going and then what Rubicon needs to do to get there above and beyond the assets you've acquired with Telaria? Jason, unbeknownst to you, we have a special guest person on the Q and A, which is Mark Zugorski. So, we have the expert online to answer any specific questions. Terrific. I'll give the Rubicon flavor, then Mark can chime in. But, yes, so here's what's super exciting for me about it. And we're getting fast up to speed on understanding CTV as well as the Telaria team has. But the good news is that team remains intact. They're key asset for the new company and they have hit the ground running and they are as excited as we are to be able to come as this omnichannel offering. So if you look at our customer sets, you have the pure CTV players. And so what can Rubicon bring to that? Well, I think it can bring added investment in technology. It can bring added sales resources. But more importantly, we've lived through this header bidding war for the last several years, not intimating at all that CTV is going in the way of header bidding, unified demand solutions that will come to market. And I think we're really well positioned as a company with our experience in the header, coupled with Telaria's long time experience in CTV. And lastly, for companies like Disney and entertainment companies that have multiple media properties that do everything from banner ads to CTV to audio, being able to be that one stop shop for them that's independent, global scaled, that's where we see a ton of excitement. Mark, do you want to expand on anything? Sure. I think Michael nailed the key points. I'll just kind of, Jason, talk from 2 aspects. The first being the macroeconomic environment and then micro, how it relates to us. And I think from a macro perspective on the CTV front, we are I think we're heading into a watershed moment for the future of CTV. And specifically based on some of the things that Michael mentioned in his script, which is, A, you've got the dynamics on the consumer side changing rapidly, which is cord cutting is accelerating, which we're seeing across the board, but also consumer habits around watching AVOD and ad supported CTV have just accelerated. And we've known that. We see that in statistics. And I think what we're doing is we're creating habits on the consumer side that are going to be hard to break, when we come out on the other side of this, of the COVID issue. On the buyer side, we've also seen things like cancellation of upfronts and increases in direct to consumer spending and increases in performance metrics that are needed for advertising and particularly around television and CTV spending. Those two things come together bode well for the CTV business, in general. And just saying some of the things that we've seen in the past are just getting accelerated by the current environment. On a micro basis for us as a company, I think Michael really said it all, which is the fact that as the companies that we work with look to streamline and cut costs and have less partners versus more, there's really very few options for them to do so across multiple platforms, desktop, mobile, display, audio, CTV and we're that option. And then secondly, as there are drivers towards efficiencies in the CTV space, so moving towards unified auctions or more streamlined auction, The capabilities that Rubicon has worked in the last several years with Prebid and with the solutions they've built going to lend themselves well, to the CTP platform that we previously built at Telaria. So look, there are lots of things to get through. But I think if you look at the macro trends and where we're sitting from a micro perspective, both from a build and a position, strategic position, Those are good things. And I think there are things to look forward to. Great. Mark, good to hear your voice again. Last one for me, just on demand manager. Can you comment anything specifically on what you're hearing from customers that are adopting the platform in this environment? I mean, it would seem to be this is a great opportunity for buy versus build, where you can essentially bring in an outside solution that requires less headcount and comes at a cost that would be much lower than that head count. I'm wondering if you're getting that kind of feedback from publishers or is it just something that publishers can't focus on right now given the volatile economic backdrop? No, I think you hit the nail on the head with that description. We've always said with demand manager, our biggest competition is Prebid, right? And open source software is free and it's open source, but it requires quite a bit of capabilities to run it effectively and to maximize your monetization. And unfortunately, that usually means people, in house engineers, building special tools, etcetera. So yes, we think it's a wonderful backdrop and we are hearing inbound from our clients who not too long ago said, no, we're covered. We got a solution in house that are reaching out and really kicking the tires. So yes, we think it's an opportunity for demand manager to achieve all the things that you laid out when you said in your opening. All right. Thanks a lot guys. Stay healthy. Thanks, Jason. Same to you, Budd. The next question comes from Lee Krowl of B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks for taking my questions guys and hope all is well. Wanted to start off on a point of clarification around guidance. You guys said that you were modeling the numbers you provided based on the observed trend quarter to date. Is the quarter to date trend down 30%? Is that the right assumption that drives that guidance? Yes. So our April on a weighted average basis was 30% down. The trend that we saw in April was some degradation over the first half of the month and then a stabilization in the latter half of the month. And so that guidance is based on just a few percentage points higher than that 30%. But that's correct. We've seen stabilization and that's the visibility that we have and so our guidance is based on that observed trend that we have so far. Got it. And then you kind of provided some detail across inventory types, maybe come at it from a different angle, but it looks like domestically revenue growth is pretty solid, while international was flat year over year. Any additional color on the dynamics of domestic versus international? Yes, I can take some of that and then Michael, if you want to weigh in. But the last fall, we talked about the impact of a couple of things. 1, some inventory low value inventory calling that we undertook and also a move to cut out resellers. And so the industry is focused on limiting the number of hops at any given ad slot takes in the ecosystem. And those impacts disproportionately impacted our international business versus our domestic business. And so I think that was one of the primary drivers. Got it. And then just, if that's kind of your enthusiasm around the NAND Manager and the stated interest and contracted interest versus last quarter's update. Fully appreciating the macro backdrop is what it is. But is there a chance you guys could provide maybe an update to the $5,000,000 expectation for the year assuming that it's more transactional based and we've seen a significant increase in total volumes of impressions. Would that lend itself to perhaps track higher than that $5,000,000 initial guide? I think it's too early to really weigh in on that because it is ad spend based, you have a very definitive drop in our revenue because of that current environment. And so there'll be puts and takes with just the lower revenue from the current base, although we do think there could be an acceleration or an increase in perhaps expected installs. But it's really tough to try to figure out how those are going to balance out with each other. And Lee, in terms of the pricing model, because it's relatively new product, we went to market with several pricing models. It seems like the model that publishers are most comfortable with is that share of spend model. Although many have asked for more of a SaaS like pricing, you can imagine in this environment to go from the to go over to the cost ledger is a tough journey for any vendor. And so I think that that model, the shared media will probably stay the course for the vast majority of our clients this year. So we're quite exposed to ad spend in that instance then. Got it. That makes sense. Thanks for taking my questions guys. Thanks Lee. Thanks Lee. The next question comes from Matthew Thornton of SunTrust. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Hope all is well. This is Anthony Duplicity on for Matt Thornton. Thanks for taking the question. So you already Hey, Anthony. You acknowledged this a little bit earlier and it is still early on in the merger, but are there any early wins in the marketplace that would provide proof points for Rubicon and Solaria coming together and maybe relating to how you're faring with buyers as you pursue supply path optimization or maybe cross selling successes that you're seeing so far with clients or anything else specifically that you want to highlight? Yes. I mean, this is Mike Lany. Good question. And it's certainly pretty early. A deal closed for 1, so we really couldn't even go to market until that point, right? But and then there's also the uncertainty, right? We didn't know if we were going to be out of the offices for a month, for 3 weeks, for and so there was a tendency at that point to say, hey, out of the gates, let's just stay focused as 2 separate companies because working from home after the merger is completed, boy, that's a lot to chew off. But very quickly, as we realized that this was going to be the new norm for quite some time, particularly for folks based in New York and Los Angeles and London and Milan and Tokyo, that we said, okay, let's accelerate it. Let's collapse the teams. We had already on day 1 collapsed the buy side team. So that team was able to talk to agencies as one company and we quickly collapsed the sell side teams. So I'm just amazed given this environment and the challenges of working remotely, how quickly we've been able to engage with clients and have some real substantive conversations. So the energy is there, the interest is there and I would just say look towards future quarterly calls for proof points and examples that we'll share with you. That's very helpful. Thanks guys. The next question comes from Kyle Evans of Stephens. Please go ahead. Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I'll lead out with one that you guys have talked on in the past and I'm sure by the time we get closer to the end of the 2 years that Chrome gave us, you'll be thoroughly sick of talking about it. But any update on kind of what you're seeing in the privacy sandbox in terms of replacing the targeting and tracking that's in jeopardy because of the deprecation from Chrome? And then I've got some follow ups. Yes. So no real substantive updates per se. One of the well timed events we've ever had was we were able to squeeze in before the pandemic really reared its head, we were able to squeeze in a customer conference and be able to include the seniority of folks and their customers. And it was a full day of talking about how Prebid could help in that respect. How can Prebid help publishers with their first party data and help how can it sync it to the buyers identifiers and a ton of promising discussions, a ton of promising energy came out of it. It's one of many legitimate efforts that are out there. It's the only one that I kind of think is truly a universal solution as opposed to proprietary solutions. But the industry is hard at work and unfortunately there's no silver bullet that we can report upon that's going to be the cure all for the 3rd party cookie world. Obviously, it warrants mentioning that because of over 50% of our business is mobile app, we've been working without cookies for a long time. And you talk to Mark and their team in the CTV world, there's never been a cookie. So we're quite used to working in arranging media between buyers and sellers without cookies. But unfortunately, Kyle, nothing to earth shattering to report in terms of our efforts to come up with a unified solution. Well, we still all have some time here. So we'll figure it out. Yes, we do. Maybe an update on the competitive landscape. I'm interested to know kind of how, SPO has been accelerated because of the pandemic economic downturn. Yes. I mean, it's hard to say we've seen it when you're saying that you're trending to 30% down, right? But maybe that 30% could have been 50%. There is no question that most of the calls that I uninvolved with from our buy side partners and our sell side publisher partners is all about stability. It's all about balance sheet. It's all about I'm a seller and I've been burned previously on the sequential liability when the Seismic or when Videology went bankrupt. How am I getting protected by you against this? And obviously, we walk them through our strict protocols in how we manage our receivables. And to date, they've been very satisfied with our answers, very satisfied with us as one of their lead partners and likewise with buyers. And so I really do think it's a flight to quality in a time like this. And obviously, the biggest guy we got to compete against in that is a Google. But I think that if you look at independent players, no one looks quite like us from a balance sheet standpoint, its ability, access to capital, and someone who's been there for publishers for as long as we have. So I feel really good about where we sit in this whole piece of the SPO puzzle, but a puzzle nonetheless, right? Yes. Last one, well, maybe my last one. But the any kind of distinct differences in terms of the unit volume, unit pricing trends across desktop, mobile, audio, CTV. I mean, obviously, CTV is faring better, but 75% to 10%, which I think what you said is still a pretty sharp trend down. Just curious as to what you're seeing on sell through and rates? Sure. So you're talking about on the revenue side, right? So from a pricing perspective. Yes. Yes. So and I think it's been pretty widely reported in the press. So you saw very significant drops in CPMs really across the board because it makes sense. You've got an increase in supply in CPV and really through every channel and you've got lower demand. And so those CPMs have dropped, but the volume of impressions compensates partially for that CPM drop. So that's the dynamic that we've seen. I don't know, Michael, if you want to add anything to that. No. Mark, do you have any specifics that you have on the CTV side that you've run a share? Look, I think on the CTV side, what's interesting is that, although we've seen some compression of CTMs, as David noted, we also are seeing that as an opportunity for new advertisers to come into the space, right? So as we noted in the script, we've seen an increase in direct to consumer and performance advertisers, who've really never had an opportunity to get in. And I think this could be, again, another pivotal moment where we've opened an entire category of advertising to So again, lots of things in flux, but because of that, we've seen some green shoots and different things pop up out of the place. And I think this is maybe related to the question I just asked, but you somebody alluded to kind of a 50% increase in ad requests. I want to make sure that I understand exactly what's driving that dynamic, please. I'll jump in from the CTV side. Sorry, David, do you want to Yes, go for it, Mark. Go ahead. Yes. No, what we've seen, I think there's 2 main factors. The first is a massive increase in viewership that's happened on ad support television. It's in that companies like Pluto and Tubi, who have publicly stated we've seen they've seen viewership levels go through the roof during this during the pandemic, not just because of what's going on because the stay at home orders, but also because if you remember, Tubi was recently acquired by Fox and they have moved very quickly to move Fox programming on Tubi. So not only through AVOD, but also doing some things around newer shows like Masked Singer and other content moving to Tubi. Pluto continues to expand its content that has been licensed from the Viacom catalog onto the system. So you've got more people at home watching more AVOD because of cord cutting, but you also have more content coming across there. That has created an interesting dynamic on the advertiser side that has created more veils. There's just more veils because there's more people watching. That being said, there's also pullbacks in how much has been sold directly, right? So if you have those two factors, which is A, more content, more viewing and B, less being sold directly because the sales forces are just, A, not in the field and not able to deliver, it's created an increase in number of total sales that we see coming through the CTV part of our system. Got it. Yes. And I think that's very similar for all of their media types. You've got A huge surge in viewership, usership and then a decrease in direct sold resulting in a lot of publishers reaching out to us to see if we can fill in Adavail. I get it. Thanks guys. Thank you, Kyle. As there are no further questions, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Michael Barrett for any closing remarks. Thank you. We're pleased to deliver these Q1 results and share with you how we view the current market. Despite the challenges facing us, we remain very excited about the future long term growth prospects of our business, especially CTV. We look forward to talking to many of you through virtual investor conferences in May, hosted by Craig Hallum and Needham. Thank you again for joining us for our Q1 results call. Have a good evening, and please stay safe and well. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.