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Earnings Call: Q2 2014

Jul 29, 2014

Operator

Welcome to Marsh & McLennan Companies conference call. Today's call is being recorded. Second quarter 2014 financial results and supplemental information were issued earlier this morning. They are available on the company's website at www.mmc.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that remarks made today may include statements relating to future events or results, which are forward-looking statements as that term is defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties, and a variety of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company's most recent SEC filings, which are available on the MMC website, for additional information on factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today.

I'll now turn this over to Dan Glaser, President and CEO of Marsh & McLennan Companies.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thank you, Jamie. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter results reported earlier today. I'm Dan Glaser, President and CEO of MMC. Joining me on the call today is Mike Bischoff, our CFO. I'd also like to welcome our operating company CEOs, Peter Zaffino, Alex Moczarski, Julio Portalatin, and Scott McDonald. Also with us this morning is Keith Walsh. MMC continued to deliver excellent financial results in the second quarter. We produced strong revenue growth, meaningful margin improvement, and double-digit growth in operating income. We also returned capital to shareholders through increased share repurchase and announced a 12% increase in our quarterly dividend. MMC's revenue growth was 7%, with all operating companies contributing. This level of growth was achieved both organically and through our strategy of executing on quality acquisitions. Revenue grew 5% on an underlying basis.

This growth exceeded the increase in underlying operating expenses as it has for 15 consecutive quarters, driving our consolidated adjusted margin up 60 basis points to 19.8%, our highest second quarter in a decade. Adjusted operating income rose 11%. This is the fourth straight year that we increased second quarter earnings by double digits. Looking at our Risk and Insurance Services segment, revenue increased 6% to $1.8 billion, or 4% on an underlying basis. Adjusted operating income increased 5% to $454 million. The second quarter margin declined slightly to 25.4%, more importantly, during the first half of the year, the margin increased 20 basis points to 26.3%. For the full year, Risk and Insurance Services remains on track to produce solid underlying revenue growth and meaningful earnings growth, as well as deliver slight margin improvement driven by Marsh.

Marsh's revenue increased 7% to $1.5 billion, or 4% on an underlying basis. All major geographic regions contributed to the strong underlying growth in the quarter. The international division increased 5% as revenue continued to expand throughout Marsh's vast geographic footprint. Latin America, with superb growth of 16%, reported its seventh consecutive quarter of double-digit growth. Asia Pacific also continued to generate strong growth, rising 9%. EMEA grew 1% in the quarter. In the U.S. Canada division, underlying growth was 3%. Marsh's revenue growth is driven by strong new business growth in Canada, Africa, Asia Pacific, and Latin America, as well as high client retention across the organization. Marsh continues to identify opportunities to enhance global growth through acquisitions. Marsh & McLennan Agency added the largest independent insurance agency in North Carolina.

Also in the quarter, we closed two other acquisitions in Marsh & McLennan Agency and reached an agreement to acquire a majority stake in Marsh's longstanding correspondent broker in Panama. Guy Carpenter delivered 2% underlying revenue growth in the second quarter, despite ongoing rate reductions in many lines. New business wins and penetration beyond our larger clients drove higher revenue in the quarter. While the U.S., Guy Carpenter's largest geography, was essentially flat, revenue growth was driven by international operations, reflecting increases in U.K. Treaty, Asia Pacific, Latin America, and Continental Europe. In the consulting segment, revenue increased 8% to $1.5 billion, or 6% on an underlying basis. Adjusted operating income reached $247 million, an increase of 20% from the prior year. The segment's margin increased 160 basis points to 16.2%, the best in over 20 years.

Mercer's revenue increased 3% to $1.1 billion, or 2% on an underlying basis. This increase was spread across all major regions, with particular strength from the U.S. and Mercer's growth markets. When viewed by line of business, growth was driven by investments, which increased 6%, and by health, up 4%. In June, Mercer announced that it would acquire a 34% stake in South Africa-based Alexander Forbes, a leader in the retirement, investments, and employee benefits space in South Africa and broader sub-Saharan Africa. The Alexander Forbes initial public offering was completed last week. This investment is consistent with our strategy of seeking quality businesses with a strong operational and cultural fit that provide geographic expansion opportunities in fast-growing markets. We have a close relationship with the Alexander Forbes management team. You might recall we purchased its risk and insurance broking operation two and a half years ago.

Oliver Wyman's revenue in the second quarter reached a record $449 million, reflecting outstanding underlying growth of 17%. The results reflect substantial growth in Oliver Wyman's largest practice, financial services, and strong growth from consumer and Lippincott. We are very pleased with Oliver Wyman's first-half underlying revenue growth of 14%. In the second half of the year, we expect Oliver Wyman's revenue growth to moderate. In summary, our excellent second quarter and year-to-date results are consistent with our 2014 business plan, and we remain well-positioned to deliver on the long-term goals we committed to at Investor Day, growth in revenue, long-term EPS growth of 13%, increasing cash flows, and return of capital to shareholders through reducing share count and double-digit dividend growth. With that, let me turn it over to Mike.

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, revenue increased 7% to $3.3 billion or 5% on an underlying basis. Adjusted operating income grew 11% to $656 million, the highest level of second quarter profitability in our history. The consolidated adjusted margin rose from 19.2% to 19.8%. GAAP EPS increased 12% to $0.77, and adjusted EPS increased 10% to $0.79. As we highlighted on last quarter's call, we anticipated that this quarter would be impacted by a meaningful reduction in investment income, and within the Risk and Insurance Services segment, the impact of planned expense growth and the negative effects of foreign exchange. The adverse FX impact was slightly less than the $0.02 we had projected, since several major currencies strengthened against the U.S. dollar.

In the third quarter, we expect foreign exchange to impact Risk and Insurance Services by the same magnitude as this quarter. Investment income. We had an investment loss of $2 million this quarter, compared with investment income of $23 million in the prior year, a reduction of $0.03 per share on a year-over-year basis. For modeling purposes, we'd like you to know that any investment income from Trident III that may occur in the last half of this year will most likely be offset by corporate initiatives. As you may recall, income from Trident III only represents our general partner carried interest, and the timing of this we do not control. In the second quarter, MMC issued $600 million of 3.5% 10-year senior notes. This allowed us to fund the July debt maturity of $320 million.

By refinancing at attractive interest rates, the average cost of our debt has declined 60 basis points over the past year. Taxes. Our effective tax rate was 27.6% in the second quarter. As you know, the tax rate can fluctuate from quarter to quarter, reflecting our geographic mix of earnings, tax settlements, completion of open tax years, and the impact of changes in international and/or state tax rates. For example, in the second quarter, we completed the federal tax audit with the IRS for the 2012 tax year. Since we expect our tax rate to be approximately 30% for the remainder of this year, the effective tax rate for the full year should be around 29.5%. Our 34% interest investment in Alexander Forbes will cost $312 million.

This investment will occur in two tranches, with approximately 15% completed last week and the remaining 19% subject to normal regulatory approvals, which should occur during the third quarter. Consistent with the guidance we offered at Investor Day, CapEx for this year is trending at about $400 million, with $202 million spent year to date. Approximately two-thirds of this spend relates to technology and systems, and about a third is for real estate. These investments are enhancing growth, improving efficiency, expanding client and colleague capabilities, and reducing real estate costs as we consolidate office locations when leases expire. We follow a balanced capital management philosophy, reinvestment in each of our businesses for growth, and return of capital to shareholders through dividends and share repurchase. Cash was $2 billion at the end of the second quarter, consisting of $1.66 billion held internationally and $340 million in the United States.

Cash utilized in the second quarter included $138 million for dividends, $72 million for three acquisitions, and $250 million to repurchase five million shares of our stock. This marks the ninth consecutive quarter of share buybacks. For the first six months of this year, we have deployed over a billion dollars for dividends, acquisitions, and share repurchase. As we communicated at Investor Day, we plan to grow both organically and through quality acquisitions. We will consistently return excess capital to shareholders, both through double-digit growth in dividends and meaningful share repurchase. We are committed to reducing our share count year after year. Overall, looking at both our financial and operating performance, a very strong first half of the year. Looking forward, we expect adjusted EPS growth in the second half of the year to exceed the 10% growth we reported in the first six months.

We are on target to deliver strong EPS growth for the full year. With that, I am happy to turn it back to Dan.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thank you, Mike. Jamie, we're ready to begin Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question at this time, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone today, please make sure that your mute function has been turned off, or pick up your handset to ensure that our equipment can hear your signal. Again, that is star one for questions. We'll take our first question from Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo.

Elyse Greenspan
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hi, yes. Good morning. I was hoping that we could spend more time talking about what you are seeing at Guy Carpenter. The growth did stand out in the quarter, especially in light of the market commentary that we're hearing in terms of prices down double digits. If you can comment on what you saw price-wise during the recent June and July renewals, and also your expectations for the balance of the year, if you expect that you can sustain that 2% growth level, or what we might see in the back half of the year.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay. Thank you, Elyse, and good morning to you. It's Dan here, I'll just kick off some commentary on the market in general. I think it's important to know that everyone I have sitting around this table is a seasoned hand in the Risk and Insurance Services space. From that perspective, we operate over many years in all kinds of markets. Usually, the Risk and Insurance Services market, for one reason or another, is usually soft or softening. We're quite used to the idea that the market is competitive and that there's downward pressure on rates. Guy Carpenter has done a good job anticipating the future, really starting many quarters ago. Alex, you want to dig in a little deeper?

Alex Moczarski
President and CEO, Guy Carpenter

Sure. Thank you very much. Yeah, echoing what Dan has said, it's now 5 and a half years where we haven't gone backwards in any quarter. 22 quarters without going backwards, which I think is testament to the strength of the management and the people that we have within the company and our relationships with our clients. As we said on Investor Day, we've continued to look at bringing new products, new services into our portfolio. We've also executed on segmentation, which we talked about. We're widening our net. We have many more smaller clients than we had before. We've invested in people. We've actually increased our headcount, probably around 140 people over the last year or so. Many of those are what we call strategic hires that relate to bringing in new business.

Others are based on bringing in new services around our strategic advisory. Others relate to acquisitions that we've made in what we consider to be growth areas like accident and health and agriculture. Finally, we have been able to bring in some very good people who look after the increased client base that we have because we have many more clients. Yes, rates have been coming down. It's interesting because some companies have found that the contingent capital is very interesting and are actually changing their strategy around buying reinsurance. Others are using some of their budget now to buy casualty reinsurance. It's not a tale of woe. It's around execution, it's around client relationships, it's around leaning forward, it's around investing. I think we'll be able to show mild growth for the rest of the year.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thank you, Alex. Elyse, just to summarize that, it won't be a banner top-line year for Guy Carpenter, but we do expect to see growth over the entire year.

Elyse Greenspan
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, thank you. One other, in terms of RIS, just looking at the overall margins, you guys did say about modest margin improvement for the full year. I think you used the word slight in your prepared remarks.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yes. Yep.

Elyse Greenspan
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Has that changed from where we were sitting last quarter? I know you guys pointed to some negative impacts from foreign exchange as well as the expense growth in the second quarter, but when you're looking at the back half of the year, has your expectations changed, or is that kind of similar to where we were sitting a few months ago?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

No, it's very similar to where we were a few months ago. Nothing's really changed on that front. Let me just address RIS margins in general, because our view is we will continue to expand margins over time while we invest for future growth. The level of margin improvement is going to move around and vary a bit based upon where the top line is and the pace of our investments, which can be lumpy from time to time. This year, in particular, we expect good revenue and good earnings growth in RIS, but slight margin expansion for the year.

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I would just add on our foreign exchange modeling, obviously, currencies can move dramatically across the U.S. dollar. From the beginning of the year, when we essentially gave guidance and then we updated that guidance in the first quarter earnings call, it really did not change. As I just indicated, our current modeling, despite marked movements in the Euro and the Pound, still indicates that the second and third quarters will feel the most negative impact for RIS. In fact, every quarter, RIS most likely will feel foreign exchange negative impacts. Our view on the impact of foreign exchange has not changed. I would also point out that just seasonally, the third quarter is the smallest for RIS, so foreign exchange may impact it slightly more in the third quarter vis-a-vis the second.

Just to reiterate what Dan said, no, our view has not changed at all.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay, next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jay Gelb with Barclays.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you. Dan, if I recall correctly, last quarter and the Investor Day, you have reiterated that you have more of a focus on profit growth in Risk and Insurance Services than margin expansion. I just want to see if that's still the case.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

That's absolutely right. To be frank, I don't spend five minutes worrying about our margins or our ability to expand margins in the future. When I look at our raw absolute margins in RIS, even though they were down 20 basis points, they were up 170 basis points in the second quarter of 2013, and they're up 20 basis points through six months this year. When I look at just the absolute amount, 25.4% through six months, in my mind, is very competitive in the marketplace. So it's really about how do we take this terrific business and grow it faster, both on the top line and on earnings, while maintaining and improving our margins over time.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

All right, that's helpful. On Guy Carpenter, unlike one of your major competitors that saw a pullback in organic growth in reinsurance brokerage, Guy Carpenter actually accelerated versus the first quarter. It would be helpful to get some color on that maybe from Alex. Was that account wins? Was that some other factor that helped drive growth to a better level?

Alex Moczarski
President and CEO, Guy Carpenter

We had very good new business. That's, again, that's part of two things, really. It's a segmentation strategy. It's focusing on to get the right product to the right type of clients and going into areas where we perhaps we had some business, but we didn't realize how strong it was. We've created a segment around it, and we've focused people on it. That's been very effective. Our retention's been good as far as clients. We haven't lost, I could name maybe one that we've lost in the last quarter. All in all, good retention, good new business, and selling new product.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I think it's important to reiterate, Jay, what Alex had said earlier as well, that even though this is a slow growth environment for Guy Carpenter, we believe Guy Carpenter is absolutely one of the jewels in our crown, and we are continuing to invest. Guy Carpenter, over the last several years, has been our fastest grower. They're competitive in the market. They've got a great leadership team, and in many ways, they've become the employer of choice. From our basis, we're continuing to grow the top line. The headcount, the numbers that Alex had referred to earlier in the call, when he was talking about more than 100 different hires, that represents 6% or so of Guy Carpenter's headcount. You can see in the last 12 months, we've made a bet on Guy Carpenter and the reinsurance business in general.

Jay Gelb
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah.

Operator

Michael Nannizzi with Goldman Sachs.

Michael Nannizzi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. I guess just one question. You had mentioned revenue growth outpacing expense growth overall. Can we drill down maybe a bit into the RIS segment where it looks like maybe that hasn't been the case here recently? I know you mentioned some expense initiatives. Would love to sort of understand those and just sort of get an idea of what's happening to natural margins, excluding these types of initiatives, and if those are still on pace to deliver the same type of performance that you've sort of talked about across the whole book. Thanks.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Sure. In the RIS segment, I look over the last really five years or even slightly longer, virtually in every quarter, revenue growth for RIS exceeds expense growth. That's a discipline of the company, it's a philosophy of the entire firm, and it's how we operate the business. It is not that we intend for that to reverse. Sure, there may be the odd quarter here or there where we get upside down, but believe me, we won't stay upside down. If I look on the expense side for the whole company, including RIS, we've been operating in a managed expense environment all the way through the financial crisis and its aftermath. If you look at the last eight quarters of our expense growth, this quarter at 3% is actually the highest expense growth we've had in the last eight quarters.

Certainly, 3% is not a worrying trend to us from that standpoint. We expect RIS to continue to invest as they see necessary in order to generate future growth.

Michael Nannizzi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay. Then, on the consulting side, would it be possible to understand what sort of happened to Mercer margins year-over-year, and what happened to Oliver Wyman? Should we make the assumption that in each of those sub-segments that margins were flat, it is just a larger share of the total pie that Oliver Wyman earned this year?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I would look at a couple of things on this basis. First of all, the margins are far from flat in our consulting segment. The overall segment was up 160 basis points in the quarter, that is on top of 120 basis points in the second quarter of last year. The 16.2% margin in the quarter, the highest quarter that we have had in our recognition, but certainly over the last 20 years. There has been tremendous margin expansion in the consulting segment, not only last year, but we have got growth on growth this year. Both Oliver Wyman, we do not break out our margins by operating company because it is a consulting segment, but I can say Oliver Wyman and Mercer have both contributed to the margin expansion within consulting.

Michael Nannizzi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. Then just lastly, on the tax rate, it looks like it declined a bit year-over-year. Maybe some thoughts on that. Generally, how do you think about taxes relative to your peers, and is that something that you want to address or that you feel like you are comfortable where you are? Thanks.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Well, Mike, you want to take that?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Jay, you're absolutely correct. Tax is a fairly complex topic. With regard to our peers, I won't comment too much on that. Obviously, we have peers that we're competing against that have a tax rate higher than we do, and we have peers that have a tax rate lower than we do. We really do focus on what we can do and how we can manage it. I would say one thing is different than when we reported in the second quarter of last year. In the second quarter of last year, we had given guidance to the investment community that our tax rate would be about 30% for the entire year. Over the course of the first six months, the tax rate was trending slightly lower than that.

We still said that it should be about 30% for the entire year. It's different this year. It's different this year in that we did have some discrete items. I did mention the larger one, which is that we completed the open year of 2012 with regard to our federal return with the IRS. Our tax rate for the first half of the year was below the 30%. As you could hear in my prepared remarks, we don't think we'll give any of that back. We're hopeful that our tax rate over the last six months would be 30%. Our effective tax rate will be 29.5%. That's for the year, and that's the lowest that we've seen in many years. We're encouraged by that.

Michael Nannizzi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thanks a lot. Thanks, Mike. Next question, please.

Operator

We'll go next to Kai Pan with Morgan Stanley.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning. Thank you for taking my call. The first question is on buybacks. It looks like on Investor Day, you said you're going to a capital management plan for this year, $2.1 billion, including $800 acquisitions, $600 about dividends, about that leave off $700 million for buybacks. You did $400. Just in the first half. Just wonder, is that match indicate that in the second half you're going to slow down? Also related to your cash balance in the U.S., $340 million, will that be the limiting factor how quickly you can buy back your shares?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Excuse me, this is Mike Bischoff. I just want to get the math correct. We did $350 million of share repurchase in the first six months. We did $100 million in the first quarter and $250 million in the second quarter.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

I'm sorry. My bad. My math is bad.

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Sure.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Basically, you're looking for about the same pace then in the second half.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah. The thing is what we outlined on Investor Day in terms of the $2.1 billion and sort of the, let's say, the hold we had with regard to our expectations around acquisitions, leaving $1.3 billion or so available for dividends and share repurchase. That's as good a number as any for you to use right now. It certainly, in our expectation, won't be less than that amount.

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Just to add clarity to that so there's no ambiguity. We were fairly clear on Investor Day. We were indicating that return of capital to shareholders would be about $1.3 billion. That would be comprised of dividends and share repurchase. Tracking through the first six months, dividends were $275 million, and shares, as I mentioned, were $350 million. You're absolutely right that Dan at Investor Day indicated that we had kind of allocated in our own thinking about $800 million for acquisitions over the course of the year. Nice to report that our pipeline has been very robust. Our acquisitions through the first six months were $439 million, with the investment that you just heard us describe in Alexander Forbes, that's another $312 million. We're roughly $750 million already against that $800 million that Dan articulated at Investor Day.

In every category, we're not only tracking but feel very good with regard to what we articulated at Investor Day.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thanks, Kai, because it really is a good question. Like we said at Investor Day, even if we go over our placeholder of $800 million, we don't expect that that would impact the $1.3 billion that we're thinking about in terms of share repurchase and dividend.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Secondly, can you give updates on the private health exchange and what the pipeline looks like, and especially going into the second half, probably the peak of the enrollment season?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Sure. Julio, you want to take that?

Julio Portalatin
President and CEO, Mercer

Thanks, Dan, and thanks, Kai, for the question. Last time we updated the numbers at Investor Day, we said it was about 300,000 lives or so spread across about 80 clients. That included both the active and the retiree space. Our sales process continues very aggressively. Our pipeline is very strong. The selling season is at its height, and we continue to have clients who are choosing the platform, and they will sign up as of the first of the year 2015, and then throughout the year as well. As you know, we have a lot of middle-market clients that have different enrollment dates, so it's great to be able to pace that throughout the year. As we said in the last call, we plan on updating sales activity and lives as we get through the third quarter and early fourth quarter.

It's going to be, I think, a very good outcome for us. Like I said, the activity was strong. We're very pleased. We think it's best to give that update towards the end of the year when the full picture is well known and the sales season is complete. I got to tell you, the level of dialogue we're having with our clients and prospects around exchanges is very high, and we're just very pleased with how it's going. Stay tuned for the announcements, I guess, later on.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay. Thanks, Kai. Next question, please.

Operator

I'll take our next question from Larry Greenberg with Janney Capital.

Larry Greenberg
Analyst, Janney Capital Markets

Good morning. Just to nitpick a little bit more on margins. You mentioned FX about the same in Q3 as Q2. When we think about expense comparisons in the third and fourth quarters, is there any unevenness to those quarters in comparison with a year ago?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I think what Mike was alluding to is, particularly in RIS, the third quarter is our smallest revenue quarter, so expenses, some of which are straight line throughout the year, tend to look a little bit higher. We always have our lowest margins in the third quarter, that's been the case for many years. There's nothing that is anticipated, which is changing the trajectory. As Mike mentioned earlier, we're expecting a better second half of the year from an earnings growth standpoint.

Larry Greenberg
Analyst, Janney Capital Markets

Right. Good. Thanks. That's helpful. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on the acquisitions that you've made, including Alexander Forbes, and just what that brings to you guys, either strategically or geographically?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I'll take that to start with, Larry, I'll hand off to Peter in the first instance to talk about some of Marsh & McLennan Agency, because that's really been a focus for us over the last number of years in terms of acquisition strategy and philosophy. We'll hand over to Julio, who will specifically talk about Alexander Forbes and how thrilled we are to be the anchor investor on their recent IPO. Let me just say, just to begin with, and reiterating some of the thoughts that we had on Investor Day, acquisitions have really been a core part of our strategy and philosophy over many years.

We develop relationships over a long period of time, and frankly, when we do acquisitions, more times than not, it's both sides thinking, "Hey, we'll be better together than we are apart, so why don't we get together?" Our focus is certainly on the four pillars that we always outline to you, but also talent, quality, cultural fit, economics. We generally prefer companies that are growing faster than we are, or trading below our multiple, or where we see the business and we believe we can improve the business and improve its margins. So Peter, you want to talk a little bit about MMA?

Peter Zaffino
President and CEO, Marsh

Sure, Dan, thanks. MMA is a very consistent story, continues to drive organic growth. We've done 39 acquisitions since 2009, and our annualized revenue is closing in and around $650 million. We did three acquisitions in the second quarter. Dan mentioned in his opening comments, one in North Carolina, the largest independent agent, Senn Dunn, which has a real balanced property and casualty employee benefits portfolio mix, and it's really becoming a core differentiator for us in the United States. If I could add one thing before handing it over to Julio, is that the Alexander Forbes Insurance acquisition has proven to be incredibly valuable for Marsh, giving us a footprint in Sub-Sahara Africa. It's been a strong contributor in connecting our multinational clients, that has been a real differentiation for Marsh and is contributing to organic growth in the EMEA region.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah. We've really been quite active in Marsh, not only in MMA, but also Africa, Panama, Peru, Dominican Republic. Julio, you want to talk about Alexander Forbes?

Julio Portalatin
President and CEO, Mercer

Thanks, Dan and Peter. For quite some time now, we've been articulating a strategy to want to become much more significant in the growth market economies around the world, this is obviously a further step in that direction. Through this investment, we gain great exposure to a great management team, great clients, and a fantastic footprint in a geography that's going to be growing certainly over the next decade. Mercer will have a role on Alexander Forbes' board of directors. We will contribute strategic expertise and a global perspective. We'll be supportive to African clients who want to become global outside of Africa, as well as our clients will have the benefit of a great structure inside of South Africa and Sub-Sahara Africa when they're expanding into Africa.

We believe that the transaction offers just some real significant value to both the client base of both sides of the transaction and also the employees and opportunities for the future. We're really pleased with this transaction and couldn't be more excited about it, and we're looking forward to maximizing its value as time goes on.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thanks, Julio. Does that cover it, Larry?

Larry Greenberg
Analyst, Janney Capital Markets

Yeah, that's helpful. Thanks.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay. Thanks a lot. Next question, operator.

Operator

We'll go next to Dan Farrell with Sterne Agee.

Dan Farrell
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Hi, thank you, and good morning.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Morning.

Dan Farrell
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Just a question on your international cash. Does your 30% tax rate for the balance of the year include any plans for movement of international cash over to the U.S. holding company?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Mike?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah, very good question. I think we generally indicate that we have about $1.4 billion of international cash going into the year dedicated on a permanently invested basis. You can see with regard to Alexander Forbes, that's one way that we plan to utilize international cash. With regard to the U.S., yes, we do have repatriation strategies. We look at it over multiple years. As you know, the main driver of need for cash in the U.S. is for share repurchase and dividends, in addition to funding the acquisitions in the U.S., predominantly MMA. Then specifically to your question, which is does the 30% tax rate guidance for the last 6 months and 29.5% for the entire year include the repatriation of funds that we need from our international operations into the U.S. for these purposes that I just mentioned? The answer is yes, it does.

Dan Farrell
Analyst, Sterne Agee

Okay, thank you. Then also just a question on some of the investments that you're making in the business. Sure, your capital expenditure has been running higher than a lot of your peers, and I was wondering if you could just maybe expand a little bit on some of the things that you're doing, and are these investments targeted towards more operational efficiency, growth efforts? Maybe just some color around them would be helpful. Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Well, if you say operational efficiencies, growth, and reducing risk, you would have had the trifecta. Well done, Dan. The main drivers are those three areas. Initiatives to improve growth, to drive efficiency, and reduce risk. Mike, you want to add some color to that?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah. Once again, I won't mention our rate of CapEx compared to competitors because they may have their own needs. With regard to us, our CapEx spending did increase fairly significantly from the levels of 2009, 2010, and building up to where it was in 2013 and 2014, tracking at about $400 million. Like I said, about two-thirds of that is in technology for really IT upgrades. There's finance transformation. We have new fiduciary revenue and billing systems, not only in the U.S., but introducing that in the U.K. We have data centers and client analytics. We really have been spending over the last several years to make MMC even stronger and more efficient with expanded client and colleague capabilities.

The other roughly 30% is, as I mentioned, reducing our global real estate footprint, more efficiency, co-locations, cost savings, and also putting in the smart office concepts for our colleagues.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Very good. Thanks. Thank you. Next question, operator.

Operator

We'll go next to Joshua Shanker with Deutsche Bank.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, good morning, everyone.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Morning.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Given the growth at Oliver Wyman, has the business become seasonal in terms of revenues? Does that have any impact on exacerbating seasonality in consulting margins?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah, no, it's an interesting question. I would approach it in a couple of different ways, then I'll hand off to Scott to give a little bit more flavor to it. First, if you look at our overall business between Risk and Insurance Services and consulting, it's reasonably well balanced. So from that standpoint, you don't see large seasonal shifts as we go throughout the year on the consulting side. As we mentioned earlier, on the RIS side, you tend to see a seasonal dip in revenue in the third quarter, and the other three quarters for RIS are reasonably similar to each other. You also have to bear in mind that when we look at the RIS segment, Guy Carpenter is much smaller than Marsh. When you look at the consulting segment, Oliver Wyman is much smaller than Mercer.

Even though Oliver Wyman may be growing much faster for a period of time, its impact on the overall numbers, particularly on earnings for the consulting segment, is muted just because of its size relative to Mercer. Scott, you want to talk about potential seasonality?

Scott McDonald
CEO, Oliver Wyman Group

Sure. I don't think, Josh, that the seasonality has changed. In management consulting, typically we see slower months in July and August, then in December and January as there's lower client activity. That's been that way for many years and hasn't changed. Specifically, the growth we're seeing now, I think is driven not by seasonality, but by three things. The first is we had a pretty weak 2013. Our comparison to that is excellent. It'll get harder through the second half of the year as our second half of the year was better last year. The economic environment has been supportive of corporate confidence, and they've been spending money on consulting. That has been helpful for us. We've made a lot of changes at Oliver Wyman over the last 18 months or two years around organization and approach to market.

I think we've made it a better firm, we're being more successful in the market, that should continue. I'd expect we'll still see strong continued growth. The seasonality won't be different in the past, the current growth rates in the high teens are unsustainable, we think.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

When you say moderating growth, I know you don't give specific guidance, maybe I'm looking for a little bit. Does moderate mean high single digits, or does that mean in line with the rest of consulting?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

It's Dan here speaking for Scott, I would say moderating growth means to the mid to high single digits.

Joshua Shanker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

I appreciate the color. Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

At least in my business plan. Hopefully in Scott's. Okay, next question, please.

Operator

We'll go next to Meyer Shields with KBW.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Pardon me. Thank you. Good morning, all.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Morning.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Going back to Guy Carpenter, is there any dislocation in the reinsurance brokerage arena where maybe more clients than you would have expected are open to the idea of switching brokers?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I'll take that to start with and then hand over to Alex. The client retention levels in reinsurance broking in general, and certainly Guy Carpenter specifically, are extremely high and would be the envy of all of our other opcos. The switching that you might see more often on the retail side in either consumer businesses, retail businesses, is not prevalent on the reinsurance side. When companies switch, it's usually a multi-year relationship development, and Guy Carpenter is showing its innovative skills in creating a relationship of trust, and then a movement happens. It's not a price-based or point-in-time type of shift. Alex, you have something else to add to that?

Alex Moczarski
President and CEO, Guy Carpenter

I would say I'd echo again what you said. I may just say that there's been changes in the brokerage structure within the marketplace, okay? That's brought some changes. The other reason why we might lose a piece of business, but actually we haven't been losing, but win a piece of business, is because there's a change in management in one of the insurance companies or change in ownership, and there's been some of that going on. I don't see any major change or shift in the landscape that you might be questioning.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

We have seen no secular dislocation, Meyer. Any other questions?

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Just one quick one. Once you've acquired the 34% stake in Alexander Forbes, where does that impact the income statement? Is that investment income?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Mike, you want to take that?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

No, actually, it'll be the equity method of accounting, so it will be the earnings of Alexander Forbes and then our proportional share, which will be 34% when we complete the tranche in this quarter. It will be tax affected, and it will be added to the revenue each quarter for Mercer.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Next question, operator.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Vinay Misquith with Evercore.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Hi, good morning.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Good morning.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

The first question is on the risk and insurance segment. I believe you said margin expansion will be modest this year, and this was in large part due to the foreign exchange. Just curious, on a more normalized basis, how much of margin expansion do you expect in that segment?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah. I'm not setting a margin target for the RIS segment over time. I would say that we expect our revenues in RIS to generally be exceeding our expenses in RIS as we march forward. I would also say that the margin levels in RIS are very competitive in the market, and they may actually be market leading at this stage. Our view is to focus our attention, as we mentioned at Investor Day, in growing top-line revenue Also growing our earnings in this high margin business, as opposed to overly focusing on margins. Margin expansion will be an outcome rather than a driver of our activity. Any other question?

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Yes, just in the consulting segment, you've shown very strong margins first half of this year. Should we see a small slowdown in the pace of margin improvement in the second half?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

The consulting margins have been rocketing forward over the last two and a half years. Really that's down to the leadership team and everyone getting behind the idea of running the business more like an overall advisory and transactional firm and less like a pure consulting firm. We've made tremendous strides in running the business from that standpoint. When we look forward over not only the back half of the year, but in the future, we believe both of our segments have the ability to grow their margins. That is a focus of the company, a little bit more so these days in consulting than in RIS.

Overall, I would say for both segments, the primary interest of ours is growing organic revenue followed by growing earnings. Margin expansion is an outcome of us growing our revenue at a faster pace than growing our expenses.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Sure, fair enough. Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay, thanks. Next question, operator.

Operator

We'll go next to Charles Sebaski with BMO Capital Markets.

Charles Sebaski
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Good morning. Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Good morning.

Charles Sebaski
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

I was curious about growth at Marsh, and wonder if we could get any color on contribution to organic growth from Marsh Agency. I know the comment about $650 million in revenue, but as that sort of earns in and becomes organic over time, can we get some thought on how that's helping versus the traditional Marsh business?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Sure. Well, I'll just start by saying, if you look at the RIS segment in total, we've had 17 consecutive quarters of 3% organic growth or better. We're quite pleased with our growth in this tough market environment of our RIS segment. Marsh specifically has had 4% growth three quarters in a row. Peter and his team are doing a phenomenal job in developing organic growth in a very big company. Peter, you want to give us more color?

Peter Zaffino
President and CEO, Marsh

Sure. Thanks, Dan. If I start with MMA, we look at some of the peer companies outside of the organization for middle market business, and they are performing at or above what we'd expect on organic growth. The U.S. and Canada division has multiple businesses in it, and therefore it is a big contributor. We also have the core U.S. business for brokerage. We have Canada. We have an MGA, a private client. We have a program business. We have a technology business in STARS. They all contribute, perhaps not all in the same quarter, but MMA has been a really steady contributor. We have been investing for organic growth as we outlined at Investor Day. As we continue to expand our footprint, we feel we have more balance for that growth.

Charles Sebaski
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. I guess on another segment, saw some commentary that there's been a change in U.K. pensions. Curious if this is a U.K. specific or company-wide, and what the potential effect on expenses are on making a pension change away from a defined benefit.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay, a couple of things. One, the U.K. plans both have assets and liabilities above GBP 4 billion, which makes them the largest within MMC. Our goal in the U.K., and you're right, that we recently made a change, actually it's effective, I believe August 1st, but we recently decided upon a change in consultation with our colleagues in the U.K. to move from a defined benefit plan to close it and freeze it and move to a DC plan. Our goal in the U.K. was not to achieve cost savings, let me just tell you that right off the bat. Our objective was to create a DC plan which is highly competitive in the market, consistent and fair to all colleagues, and which reduce risk over time for MMC, and we believe we've achieved that.

Now, in terms of other plans, we periodically review our plans to assess market competitiveness, consistency across MMC, risk, cost, all of those things. Right now, we have no current plans to amend any of our other DB plans at this point in time.

Charles Sebaski
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

There isn't, in terms of when you say reducing the risk, and I'm assuming the volatility, that doesn't equate into a cost save? I realize that's not the plan of it. It's to limit volatility. That volatility would seem that it would be a volatility up, right? That in the long term, maybe not next quarter or two, but the next couple of years should be some inherent cost savings, no?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Any savings on large DB plans are driven more by interest rate movements and discount rate movements, a little bit of asset returns, that sort of thing, as opposed to whether you're a DB or DC. The cost to the company for providing the benefit is actually quite similar. We did have benefits in terms of mitigating Essentially closing the DB plan and freezing it, we did receive a curtailment gain, which we cycled back largely to the colleague base in the U.K. in terms of mitigating the impact on some of our colleagues. There's really no material financial impact based upon that change.

Charles Sebaski
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Excellent. I appreciate the comments.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Okay. Next question, please.

Operator

We'll go next to Brian Meredith with UBS.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Hi. Yeah, just a couple of quick ones here. The first one, Mike, just clarification on your comment with respect to the Trident III. Did you say this is going to be offset largely any income by additional corporate initiatives?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

That's correct.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

We should expect just kind of break even for investment gains for the remainder of the year?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I think for modeling purposes, Brian, that makes a lot of sense.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Then one other quick one for you, Mike. I noticed you guys raised $600 million, paying down $320, you're going to have a little more debt on the balance sheet. Is there any kind of conscious initiative to maybe increase leverage here a little bit going forward?

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

I think in general, I'll start off and then hand to Mike to add a little bit more color, I think our objective over time, we talked a little bit about this at Investor Day, is to, over time, reduce cash on the balance sheet to the extent that's practical, over time, to raise our level of debt as well, still as a conservatively run company. Overall, our ability to handle more debt is certainly prevalent, and interest rates are pretty low, and we have a balanced approach. I think you're going to see both of those factors as we move forward over the next several quarters and a couple of years. Mike, you want to add to that?

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Dan, I think that's well said. It's a balance. We're improving and have improved our credit metrics, we can continue to improve our credit metrics even with steadily, well, not steadily, but beginning to expand the overall debt on our balance sheet. That's obviously only one issue of leverage. It has to do with pension obligations, present value of our operating leases. We've worked very diligently on those areas as well. As Dan said, it's a balance.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Operator, I think we're coming to the end of the hour, so we have time for one more question.

Operator

Thank you, sir. That final question comes from Cliff Gallant with Nomura.

Cliff Gallant
Analyst, Nomura

Thank you. Appreciate it again. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about some of the comments you made earlier about the underwriting environment and the cycle, particularly on the insurance side. I believe a few quarters ago, there was a comment made on your call that reinsurance pricing weakness historically has always led to a weakness on the primary side, and I'm curious as to what degree do you think things are different this time? Are things meeting your expectations? Has been there more or less discipline among the insurance companies? Thank you.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Yeah. It's Dan here. We don't think things will be different this time. We think fundamentally that as reinsurance prices reduce, it gives more flexibility for primary carriers to adjust their strategies and figure out other ways to grow their business, and some of that may be giving up some of the gains that they've obtained on their own reinsurance programs. Peter, you want to talk about what's happening in the retail?

Peter Zaffino
President and CEO, Marsh

Sure. I think when we talk about reinsurance has been primarily driven by property catastrophe and property declines. When we look at our overall portfolio, we're in so many different countries across the world that they all tend to have different dynamics based on mix of business, based on geographical footprint. If I was to comment and see what's happening on pricing on the primary side, we have seen more reductions. Nothing dramatic, but a modest reduction continuing in the second quarter. If I look at some of the regions, Latin America probably had pricing falling off the most, but it's still low to mid-single digits. Line of business was really driven by property. Having said that, we're cautiously optimistic that we're seeing more exposure increase on the overall book of business.

Mike Bischoff
CFO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Looking at total insured values, payroll in the U.S., sales across the world has been a modest offset to some of the modest price declines.

Dan Glaser
President and CEO, Marsh & McLennan Companies

Thanks, Peter. I think that about does it for the call. I'd like to thank you all for joining us on the call this morning. I'd also like to thank our clients for their support and our colleagues for their hard work and dedication in serving them. Have a good day.

Operator

Again, that does conclude today's conference. We do thank everyone for your participation.