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Earnings Call: Q3 2016

Oct 26, 2016

Operator

Greetings, welcome to Norfolk Southern's third quarter 2016 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during today's conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Katie Cook, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you, Ms. Cook. You may begin.

Katie Cook
Director of Investor Relations, Norfolk Southern

Thank you, Rob, and good morning. Before we begin today's call, I would like to mention a few items. The slides of the presenters are available on our website at norfolksouthern.com in the investors section, along with our non-GAAP reconciliation. Additionally, transcripts and downloads of today's call will be posted on our website. During this call, we may make certain forward-looking statements, which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and may differ materially from our actual results. Please refer to our annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for a full discussion of those risks and uncertainties we view as most important. Now, it is my pleasure to introduce Norfolk Southern's Chairman, President, and CEO, Jim Squires.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Good morning, everyone, welcome to Norfolk Southern's third quarter 2016 earnings call. With me today are NS's Chief Marketing Officer, Alan Shaw, our Chief Operating Officer, Mike Wheeler, and our Chief Financial Officer, Marta Stewart. Our results this quarter, summarized on Slide Four, reflect the successful proactive measures and strategies that Norfolk Southern continues to employ as we relentlessly focus on delivering results through efficiencies and asset utilization. We continue our focus on deploying resources to improve service and network performance while streamlining our corporate assets. Targeted cost initiatives and the disposition of surplus operating property, combined with the lapping of prior year restructuring costs, drove a 67.5 operating ratio. This marked an improvement of 220 basis points or 3% compared to last year, as operating expenses came in 10% lower relative to a 7% decline in revenue.

We extended the high-performance levels we have reliably delivered throughout this year into the third quarter, resulting in a record 68.7 operating ratio for the nine-month period. As a result of our efforts, earnings per share for the quarter increased to $1.55, up 4% compared to last year's $1.49. For the nine-month period, earnings per share increased 8% year-over-year. Importantly, we have significantly improved network performance, as shown by our composite service metric, which was up 8% for the quarter and 14% for the year. These results, in addition to feedback I am receiving firsthand from our customers, confirm what we already know. Our commitment to customer service, in tandem with our disciplined cost measures, continues to move our company in the right direction.

With respect to network initiatives, Mike will go over our progress in greater detail, but let me highlight that our team has already exceeded the 2016 rationalization goal of 1,000 miles and will continue to pursue these kinds of opportunities in the future. Turning to Slide Five, as we entered this year, we had committed to lowering our operating ratio below 70% for the year, which I am pleased to say we are well-positioned to achieve, even with economic headwinds. Our cost savings initiatives will generate productivity savings of at least $200 million for the year, upwards of $250 million in fact, and we will contain capital spending to $1.9 billion, which is lower than our original $2.1 billion plan as we continually reassess the optimal deployment of capital in this changing economic environment.

Our employees have consistently demonstrated their commitment to reliably delivering superior results in what has been a dynamic and challenging economic environment. We have worked hard to build a flexible strategy, one that stages us well for top-line growth, coupled with annual productivity savings, which are targeted for over $650 million by 2020. This team's strong start in 2016 reinforces my confidence in our ability to achieve a sub 65 operating ratio by 2020 and deliver substantial shareholder value. Alan will cover trends in revenue, Mike will provide more detail on how we're managing the operation, including the progress I mentioned on our line rationalization initiatives, and Marta will summarize our financial results. We'll take your questions. Thank you, and now I'll turn the call over to Alan.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Thank you, Jim, and good morning to our audience. We appreciate your joining us today. Though easing economic headwinds contributed to a 3% sequential improvement in revenue as compared to the second quarter of 2016, our $2.5 billion in third quarter revenue represented a 7% year-over-year decline, primarily driven by decreases in energy-related markets and the Triple Crown restructure. The hot summer and sequentially higher natural gas prices softened declines in utility coal, though high stockpile levels continued to dampen the year-over-year comparisons. The Triple Crown restructure enhanced our overall efficiency and profitability while yielding year-over-year volume and revenue declines since the fourth quarter of 2015. While energy prices improved in the third quarter, they remained below last year's levels and negatively influenced fuel surcharge revenue and several merchandise commodities, including crude oil and natural gas products.

Amid the challenging economic conditions, intermodal remained a bright spot, with improved service driving growth in domestic business. Despite pricing gains, revenue per unit declined 3% due to negative mix associated with increased intermodal freight and decreased coal volume, as well as lower fuel surcharge revenue. Merchandise revenue and volume, as shown on slide eight, fell 4% in the third quarter. Our chemicals franchise, impacted by continued reductions in crude oil shipments, as well as plant closures and consolidations in our industrial intermediates markets, further declined from the second quarter and was the primary driver of the year-over-year merchandise decrease. Agriculture was impacted by reduced feed, wheat, and corn volume compared to 2015. Automotive shipments were down as a result of a competitive loss, as mentioned on our second quarter call, and production declines at several NS served plants.

A weak pulpboard market, combined with increased truck competition, negatively impacted paper and forest products volume. These decreases were partially offset by metals and construction volume, which increased year-over-year and sequentially due to stronger shipments of steel and aggregates. As compared to last year, merchandise RPU increased 1%, reflecting positive pricing gains, partially offset by negative mix associated with increased aggregates and coiled steel, as well as reduced industrial intermediates and machinery volume. Turning to intermodal on slide nine, volume declined 1% as year-over-year growth in domestic and international volume nearly offset the declines related to the Triple Crown restructure. Excluding Triple Crown, volume was up 6%, while revenue increased 5%. Despite excess truck capacity, our improved service product drove an 8% year-over-year increase in domestic intermodal business. International volume increased 1% compared to a strong third quarter last year.

Lower volumes of higher-rated Triple Crown freight and lower fuel surcharge revenue negatively impacted RPU, down 7% as compared to last year. Excluding Triple Crown and fuel surcharges, RPU was up 2% in this highly competitive truck price environment, while revenue improved 8%. On slide 10, coal revenue was down 18% for the quarter with a 15% volume decline as compared to last year. Year-over-year utility volume continued to be negatively impacted by low natural gas prices and above normal stockpile levels. Warmer summer weather and sequentially higher natural gas prices improved coal dispatch and utility deliveries as the third quarter progressed, generating 18.4 million utility tons, a 28% improvement from the second quarter. Future utility volumes will be dependent upon weather conditions, natural gas prices, and stockpile levels.

Between May and September, stockpiles declined by approximately 20 days of burn, though they remained 25 days above targeted levels and are expected to impact utility volumes into next year. Assuming normal weather conditions and natural gas pricing consistent with the current forward curve, we expect to handle between 15 million and 18 million utility tons in the fourth quarter. While there has been recent strength in spot pricing in the seaborne markets, U.S. export supply has been constrained by the impact of bankruptcies and production rationalizations. Third-quarter thermal exports through Baltimore declined significantly as tonnage shifted to the domestic utility market. For the fourth quarter, we expect to handle 3 million-4 million export tons with sequential increases in thermal coal through Baltimore. Coal RPU, excluding fuel, was down 2% in the third quarter, with positive pricing offset by the mix of reduced export volume.

Turning to our outlook on slide 11, we expect fourth quarter volumes to be flat or increase modestly year-over-year, due in part to somewhat easier comparisons. In mid-November, we will cycle the impact of Triple Crown. The fourth quarter of 2015 also marked the start of the unseasonably warm winter that generated excess coal stockpiles, the effect of global steel oversupply, as well as the beginning of the impact of increased manufacturing and retail inventories. Lastly, we expect a lower year-over-year fuel surcharge revenue decline with WTI and on-highway diesel prices close to fourth quarter 2015 levels. Though some coal stockpile correction occurred in the third quarter, we expect the ongoing inventory overhang to impact fourth quarter utility coal volumes. Sustained low oil prices and a narrow spread between Brent and WTI will continue to limit crude oil rail volume.

Though automotive volume for the full year is expected to exceed North American vehicle production growth of 1%, fourth quarter shipments will decline as compared to last year. We anticipate year-over-year service-driven growth within intermodal. We will maintain our focus on improved pricing, reflecting the value of our service product. Overall revenue per unit will be impacted by the ongoing mixed headwinds associated with increased intermodal and decreased coal freight. Our long-term view on both markets and pricing enables us to navigate the current economic headwinds while positioning us for future growth. Marketing continues to work closely with operations and finance, executing on our financial plan amid dynamic market conditions, controlling what we can control, ensuring that resources are in place to support expected volumes, and allowing us to take advantage of opportunities for long-term growth. I will now turn it over to Mike to discuss our operational performance.

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Thank you, Alan. I am pleased to announce we are continuing to operate at high service levels while making outstanding progress on our cost reduction initiatives. As Jim noted, the progress we have made is a testament to our employees and their commitment and focus in executing the key drivers of our strategic plan. Let me begin with safety on slide 13. While our reportable injury ratio increased in the third quarter as compared to the same period last year, we had an 18% improvement in our serious injury ratio. Turning to service on slide 14, you see we continued to execute at a very high level as evidenced by our service composite, train speed, and terminal dwell metrics. This is the second quarter in a row with the service composite above 80%.

For the third quarter, our service composite and train speed both improved 8%, and dwell improved 3% versus the same period last year. Overall, our velocity, as measured at the car level, remains near record levels and continues to aid asset utilization and strong customer service. What is most encouraging is that we have been able to do this while aggressively pursuing cost reduction initiatives, as evidenced by our 67.5 operating ratio. The improvements in our service metrics demonstrates our continued commitment to driving productivity improvements and increasing customer service. Now on slide 15, these cost-cutting initiatives, coupled with our ability to keep the railroad operating at a high level, continue to result in significant productivity savings. The reduction in crew starts for the third quarter significantly outpaced the decline in volume, we have continued to improve our recrews, overtime, and train length.

Through the third quarter, we have achieved our highest average train length on record. Even with this significant improvement in train length, our velocity has been roughly the same as our record levels of 2012 and 2013. Together, this resulted in improved employee productivity. Turning to slide 16, in our previous call, we said we would give an update on our network rationalization efforts. We have been going at this in a very deliberate way with three separate strategies tailored to the specific circumstances with the goal of maintaining or improving service to our customers while reducing our costs and investment needs. To that end, the most visible way we are changing the network is getting a short line carrier to operate lower volume segments. We have completed one large transaction with the West Virginia Secondary, another transaction is in process.

This benefits NS by enabling us to improve capital allocation, continue to serve the customers, and maintain our network reach. As illustrated on Slide 17, we are also concentrating flows on fewer routes. For example, we idled one of our steepest and most difficult to operate lines in the coal fields by rerouting coal trains onto our main line, which had excess capacity. To retain flexibility, the old route was left in place for now in case there is a business rebound. We have done this at several locations, even outside the coal network, and are continuing to identify opportunities across the system. Lastly, on Slide 18, even if we decide to continue using a route, we have found it is possible to reduce speeds without affecting customer service. These are our secondary main lines.

By reducing speeds, we can extend the life of track without affecting safety and delay reinvestment needs. We also realize some modest expense savings as well. This is a new strategy for NS and reflects a willingness to reexamine our business model in the face of economic realities. Using our full toolkit, we have already exceeded our 1,000-mile goal for 2016, while velocity and service have remained near our historic highs. I will now turn it over to Marta, who will cover the financials.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. The third quarter results showed continued strong cost control in the face of modest overall volume declines. Let's take a look at the financial details, starting with operating results on Slide 20. While revenues were down 7% on 4% lower volume, operating expenses declined by 10%. The 67.5 operating ratio for the quarter was a 3% improvement over last year's third quarter, and the operating ratio of 68.7 for the first nine months was an all-time record. Slide 21 shows the expense reductions by income statement line item. Every category of cost was lower in 2015, a result of targeted expense reduction initiatives and the lower volume. Additionally, the comparison was affected by last year's restructuring costs, particularly in depreciation. Now let's take a closer look at the components. Slide 22 highlights the major drivers of the variance in compensation and benefits.

While the overall net change was relatively small at $11 million, it contained some offsetting items. First, with regard to employee count and employee hours, the efficiency improvements in the first half of the year continued, as overall headcount was down over 2,400 employees versus last year and was down slightly sequentially. This reduced headcount, along with lower overtime and fewer recrews, resulted in $47 million of year-over-year savings, and the associated payroll taxes were favorable by $5 million. We also had $9 million in lower pension expense. These items helped offset increases in incentive compensation of $39 million, wage inflation of $14 million, and health and welfare rate increases of $12 million. For the remainder of the year, we expect headcount to remain relatively flat sequentially.

With regard to incentive comp, wage rates, and health and welfare costs, we expect to have similar year-over-year increases in the fourth quarter as we had in the third quarter. Slide 23 depicts purchased services and rents, which was down $65 million or 14% year-over-year. The largest reduction was attributable to $37 million in decreased Triple Crown costs. Recall that the curtailment of Triple Crown operations was effective on November 15th of last year. Our fourth-quarter variance for this item will be about half this amount. Also contributing to the reduction in this line item was $7 million of lower equipment rents. This was due primarily to the improved velocity Mike described, and we expect this benefit to continue into the fourth quarter. Next is fuel expense, as shown on slide 24.

The $40 million or 18% decline in fuel cost for the quarter was largely a result of lower oil prices, which decreased the price per gallon by 12%. We also had lower consumption due to the lower traffic volume. Slide 25 details our materials and other category, which decreased $54 million or 22% year-over-year. This improvement reflects $28 million of gains on the sale of two operating properties. Next, reductions in material costs totaling $15 million were primarily for locomotive and freight car materials. The last variance on this slide is principally due to moving costs associated with last year's Roanoke office closure. Turning to non-operating items on slide 26. This, too, was affected by the prior year comparison, as we had a large gain on the sale of a non-operating property in the third quarter of 2015. Somewhat offsetting this decrease were higher returns from corporate-owned life insurance.

Moving on to income taxes on slide 27. The effective rate for the third quarter was 34.8% versus 37.6%. The lower effective rate was related to the increased life insurance returns, as well as to the effects of stock-based compensation and several other smaller items.

For the full year, we now expect to have an effective income tax rate of roughly 36%. Summarizing our third quarter earnings on Slide 28, net income was $460 million, up 2% versus 2015, and diluted earnings per share were $1.55, 4% higher than last year. Wrapping up with year-to-date cash flows on Slide 29, cash from operations was $2.3 billion, and free cash flow was a little over a billion dollars. With respect to capital return to shareholders, we have paid $523 million in dividends and repurchased $603 million of our shares. We remain on track for full-year capital spending of $1.9 billion and share repurchases of $800 million. Thank you for your attention, and I'll turn the program back to Jim.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Thank you, Marta. Let me close by saying that the focus, agility, and determination of our team are readily apparent in our performance this year. As we move forward, we are well-positioned for growth opportunities longer term and confident in our ability to drive shareholder value. With that, we'll now open the line for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone keypad, and a confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press *2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants that are using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Due to the number of analysts joining us on the call today, we will be limiting everyone to one primary question and one follow-up question to accommodate as many participants as possible. Our first question comes from Jason Seidel with Cowen. Please proceed with your questions.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Morning, Jason.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

I guess I wanted to start off with sort of your RPU, and you mentioned in the coal business, RPU, I think, was negatively impacted a little bit by a mix shift away from some of the export. I think in your commentary, you also said that sequentially, as we look to 4Q, that we should start seeing a pickup on some of the thermal exports. I assume that that's going to positively impact your RPU reported when we see the fourth quarter numbers, all things being equal.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

No, Jason, the thermal coal typically goes through Baltimore, which is a lower length of haul for us. I want to make it clear that while we will enjoy the increase in the coal through Baltimore and that growth, that will be a drag on RPU within coal.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

Okay, that's good clarification. Also, you guys noted you're ahead of schedule here in your, let's call it network rationalization. I know you have that pending stuff down in Delaware that you're doing. In terms of how it flows through the income statement, I'm assuming there's very little, but it's probably more on the CapEx side. Is that the right way of looking at the 1,000 miles that you've done already? Is there potential that you exceed that, I think the original mark was 1,600 miles ultimately that you looked at.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Mike, why don't you take that question?

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. Jason, you're exactly right. There is some modest expense savings, but the main driver is it allows us to reallocate capital. Going forward, we plan to meet our goal for 2020, and we're going to keep looking for opportunities, and if there's more, we'll take them.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Jason, the short line strategy is about putting the right player on the field for the business too and serving the customer. That's really what it's all about. There are some benefits financially as well, but this is really a strategy to provide the best service provider we can for the customer.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

In terms of that ultimate number of 1,600 miles, is that something that you're likely to exceed now, or is it just that's what you identified, and that's it?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Yeah, just a technical correction. It's actually 1,500 miles is the goal.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

15. sorry.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Yeah, we're on track. We're making great progress, and we think there's definitely more to come.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen

Okay. Thank you guys for the time.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey, thanks. Morning, guys.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Morning, Scott.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Alan, I wanted to just follow up on the coal RPU first. Are you seeing any of the pickup in met export yet? Just given the much higher the benchmark, how quickly can you start raising your met rates, and do you plan to do so?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Scott, I'll address the first question initially. We're going to see a slight uptick, potentially, in export met in the quarter. Most, if not all of our uptick is going to be on the thermal side. As I noted in the comments, it's somewhat restricted by production, and the producers need to have some sort of comfort level that the prices that are out there now are sustainable. I don't think anybody believes they're going to stay at $200 per metric ton, but if they can get some sort of visibility that the prices are going to be at a level where they can bring back production, that will encourage more production and more business on us. We've taken a look at some of our export pricing in the fourth quarter, and we anticipate doing that again in the first quarter dependent upon market conditions.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Given that a little bit more shorter length-of-haul export, that's lower RPU, a little bit more met, and then sounds like higher met pricing in aggregate, would you think that coal RPU is flat up, down sequentially?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

I think in the fourth quarter, the shift of more lower length-of-haul thermal coal through Baltimore will offset pricing increases that we have.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Got it. Then, Marta, just one for you on the operating ratio. I think at some point earlier this year, you talked about kind of hoping for a sub 70 OR each of the second through fourth quarters. Is that still the way to think about the fourth quarter?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Yes. We're still expecting sub 70 OR in each of those quarters.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Scott, I'd like to clarify a point, as I was talking about the offsets, I was speaking sequentially, not year-over-year.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Yep.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Allison Landry with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your questions.

Danny Schuster
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi, good morning. This is Danny Schuster on for Allison. Thank you for taking my question.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Good morning.

Danny Schuster
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Just wanted to ask how your same-store core pricing looked sequentially versus last quarter, and how we should think about that over the next quarter or two here.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. Alan?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. Danny Schuster, we're continuing to get traction in our pricing, we're negotiating pricing in excess of inflation. As we've noted before, we are facing some limitations in the upside due to loose capacity in the trucking market.

Danny Schuster
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, great. Thank you. Just wanted to follow up on some of your commentary on slowing speeds on secondary main lines. How much longer do you think you can extend the life of the track, and how much of a dent can that make in your overall maintenance infrastructure spending on an annual basis looking forward?

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Well, it really doesn't extend the life of the track. We're going to have that track because it's part of our network reach always, and we'll have it maintained at the right level for the lower speeds. It does allow reduced maintenance levels over time.

Danny Schuster
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Chris Wetherbee with Citigroup. Please proceed with your questions.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst, Citigroup

Thanks. Good morning.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Morning, Chris.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst, Citigroup

Wanted to ask about sort of the progress on the productivity side. 250, I think, is the target now. Just wanted to get a rough sense of maybe how we think we're sort of progressing towards that 250 and maybe some initial thoughts on 2017, whether you should see this sort of a linear progression towards the 650 or so over time, or just how we kind of think about the progress there.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Chris, let me address first the 250 that we're currently targeting for the full year. We increased our outlook there from 200 last quarter. Reason being, we found that even with the sequential uptick in volumes in the third quarter, we were able to hold the line on resources and did not incur additional overtime. In fact, year-over-year overtime was again down considerably. Similarly, employee headcount declined modestly sequentially. We had been forecasting flat. That's the source of some of the additional productivity pickup in 2016. Marta, why don't you address 2017? We'll come back to you with a more robust outlook on productivity and across the board in January when we report our fourth quarter earnings, but

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Right. Mike and his folks are working now on our specific productivity initiatives for 2017. As Jim mentioned, we'll be able to give you more details on our January call. We do expect to keep pushing on that, and they worked very hard this year, especially in light of the overall decline in volumes in the year to accelerate as much of the productivity improvements as they did into 2016.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay. That's helpful. That's great color. As a follow-up, just thinking about some of the network initiatives that you guys are undertaking and maybe some of the outsourcing to short lines or sales there. In terms of operating property gains on sales, should that be something that will be part of the calculus as we move forward? Is that something that might be recurring, or is it sort of a little bit more one-time, you see this a little bit lumpier here and there in various quarters? Just want to get a sense of maybe how to think about that bigger picture as you go through your process.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. Those gains on sale do tend to be lumpy. There's a certain level of gains that we have experienced over the course of a year. Quarter-to-quarter, it can vary quite a bit. We don't see the opportunity to recognize gains there from sale or disposition of operating property so much as a result of the line rationalization program, rather an initiative to just identify and dispose of surplus operating property. That's what we booked in the third quarter.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay, not necessarily core to the bigger picture productivity targets that you have.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Right.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst, UBS

Yeah, good morning. Wanted to ask you've commented a little bit on pricing, wanted to see if you could give perspective. I think one of the other railroads talked about, obviously, UNP talked about some, I think, market challenges they said in the coal and international intermodal markets. It was a little unclear whether that was increase in rail competition or whether that was kind of structural pressures from customers? Are you seeing anything in those two markets where you'd say, the utilities are pushing us harder and we can't really resist or change in container shipping line, the consolidation, Hanjin bankruptcy, that's having an outsized impact on your pricing?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Let me comment on the question, more broadly, then I'll turn it over to Alan for the specifics. Alan mentioned loose truck capacity. Competition is alive and well, we are facing intense modal competition. Nevertheless, with our service levels where they are with the service product that we're offering, we feel confident that we will be paid for the value of our service rendered. Let me let Alan address the specific markets that you referenced.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. Our price plan is consistent across all markets. Within coal, we've talked about taking a look at the export pricing. Ex-fuel surcharge, even though we had a pretty negative mix within coal, our coal RPU was only down 2% in the third quarter. Within international intermodal, we're continuing to align ourselves with folks who are adding capacity to the East Coast. While Hanjin did create a slight impact to us, we're taking a long-term focus on our pricing because we have a better service product, and we know service is key and core to our focus on pricing.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great. Thank you. For the second question, I just wondered if you could give a comment on incremental margin perspective in 2017. I guess if we go back to, it's tough to know what volumes are, but if they're up a couple percent, it seems like you'd be positioned to put up very strong incremental margins, maybe better than the kind of normal 50% we think of, just given the cost takeout, given capacity in the system. Is that a reasonable conclusion that if you get a couple points of volume, it might do a lot better than the typical 50% incremental next year?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Tom, I think we'll defer answering that question to January when we'll come back to you with a more comprehensive outlook, including our expectation with regard to productivity, operating leverage, inflation and so forth. One thing I think worth flagging, though, is some rather extraordinary inflation factors next year, in particular, health and welfare benefit costs. Marta?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Yes, we do expect that next year, as Jim said, we'll give you the total amount for the compensation and benefits, its expected inflation in January. We do already know that we're going to have higher inflation in the union medical. With regard to your incremental margin question, it really does depend on if we have growth, and as Mike and Jim have both said, the service is positioning us to get that growth. If we have growth, we will have incremental margin improvement in all of the categories. Recall that we have the incremental margin hierarchy, which depending on where the volumes come, the order is the most incrementally margin positive is merchandise, then coal, then intermodal.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great. Thank you for the detail. Appreciate it.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Please proceed with your questions.

Brandon Oglenski
Analyst, Barclays

Yeah, good morning, everyone. Jim, can you talk to the commentary around flowing network speeds? I understand that on your secondary lines, you could get some more capital out of it, especially if your volumes are down. I think generally when we've looked at significant OR improvement for other rails, it's been driven primarily by getting velocity up in the network. Is that the real long-term strategic vision that in aggregate, we want to have speeds lower or higher?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Oh, definitely higher. I think Mike emphasized that. The great thing about what we're doing is that we are able to slow down our trains in some parts of the network without slowing network velocity overall. It's a very targeted initiative. It does result in cost savings, primarily from longer maintenance cycles on those branch lines. Overall, network speeds are up, and that's where we want them to stay.

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Just remember, these secondary main lines do have lower speeds originally before we reduced the speed. It's not like our main lines that have the high speed. Reduction in speed wasn't that significant, it is in the capital reallocation. That's why, because of that, we've still been able to keep our network velocity high, like I said, at the car load level, at our record levels.

Brandon Oglenski
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Jim, sorry, I'm really stuffed up here, can you talk a little bit about terminal rationalization? I do think that might be where some difference is between getting velocity higher versus what the East Coast railroads have been able to do in the past. I know, when you launched your new plan, you had called out terminal rationalization as a piece of that opportunity.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Sure, absolutely. That's something that we're going to continue to look at. There may be opportunities there. On the other hand, we want to maintain a certain level of customer service. We've underscored the importance of that several times. Having a robust classification yard network is one component of providing good service in our merchandise franchise.

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Yeah, I'll just remind you that we did reduce one of the hump terminals out of our network this year, earlier this year. Also one of our other hump terminals, we've reduced the throughput and therefore the cost about half. We continue to look at that, but all in light of making sure we keep the service product at the high levels.

Brandon Oglenski
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions.

Ravi Shanker
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Morning, everyone. Jim, I think you mentioned that you continue to price above inflation. Do you have any thoughts on what inflation's looking like for next year?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

I think, again, we'll defer an answer to that until January and give you our outlook there. It's obviously an important piece of the puzzle. We did want to flag one inflation item in particular, that health and welfare benefits cost increase should be substantial next year. That's a bit of a headwind. There are some other things that are in play as well on the inflation front, but let us defer a complete answer until January.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Yes. Generally speaking, like we did this year, this year we gave for 2016 an overall comp and benefits inflationary increase of 3.5%, the other expense categories are generally in line with inflation that you see in the rest of the economy.

Ravi Shanker
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great, understood. Just to follow up, given some of the changes you're making to the network, both with the rerouting as well as the short line outsourcing, are you kind of fundamentally rethinking some of your end markets and where your growth comes from over time? Maybe, like some other rails, maybe de-emphasizing coal a little bit and focusing more on intermodal?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

No, I think we are continuing to focus on opportunities for growth wherever we can find them. We are intent on growing this company in the years to come and want to have a solid platform for doing that across our different lines of business. Naturally, the line rationalization opportunity is greater in some parts of the network than it is in others, particularly in the coal field, and we've been through in past quarters what we have done specifically by way of line rationalization there. The end markets are what they've been, and the growth opportunities are what they have been as well. Alan, do you want to add a little color to that?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Yeah, I would suggest that markets are dynamic and so are we. We are going to manage to the changing markets that we see. We're going to put a good service product out there that our customers value and our customer's customers value in an attempt to pull more business off the highway. That can be in an intermodal container, it can be in a gon, it can be in a boxcar, it can be in a hopper.

Ravi Shanker
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Very good. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Justin Long with Stephens. Please receive your question.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

Thanks, good morning.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Hi, Justin.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

You talked about productivity of $250 million this year. Could you comment on how much of that amount is coming from restructuring Triple Crown and restructuring the coal network? Does that productivity number exclude those items?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

It excludes those items. We don't count as productivity the lapping of the restructuring costs for Triple Crown, for example.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Right. If you look at the change from having had the restructuring charge last year to this year, we don't have that difference in the productivity improvements.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

Okay.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

We have the benefit of running a more profitable, more focused Triple Crown network and a more focused coal network. The benefits after the changes are in productivity, but the variance due to the restructuring charge is not in that number.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

With regard to the line rationalization initiatives, the productivity benefit there comes from reduced labor costs, materials, maintenance expenditures, et cetera. The line rationalization initiatives are not in and of themselves a productivity producer, but they spin off lots of productivity benefits in the forms I just mentioned and otherwise.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

Okay, great. That's helpful to clarify. Secondly, I know you aren't giving too many specifics on next year, but I was wondering if you would be willing to share any initial thoughts on how you believe volumes could trend in 2017, and maybe just directionally, it might be helpful if you could walk through some of the commodity groups where we could see meaningful moves, either up or down.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Okay. We can do that, bearing in mind that we'll present that in the context of an overall outlook in January. Alan, talk about what we're seeing right now in terms of volume ups and downs next year.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Yes, certainly. I'll provide a broad overview, then we'll be back with you on our January call. Intermodal, we continue to see growth in that franchise. Once you strip out the year-over-year impact of Triple Crown, that will become readily evident. Ex Triple Crown and fuel surcharge in the fourth quarter, our intermodal revenue was up 8%. Coal was another one. I want to make it perfectly clear, we had some very strong sequential improvements in coal in the third quarter, and coal in the fourth quarter is doing fine for us. Coal dispatch in the East right now is a load follower, so it will be heavily dependent upon the weather.

If we have a warm winter like we had last year, we're going to be in the same position in January as we were in January of this year. That's why I think it's prudent for us to speak in more detail with you on our January call about volumes.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

Okay, great. Any thoughts on general merchandise as well?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

Merchandise is going to have some puts and takes in it. Energy continues to be pressured, We'll probably have some negative comps within our crude oil franchise. We're continuing to monitor

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Steel capacity, plant utilization, and steel pricing. That could potentially have an impact. We'll provide more color on the January call.

Justin Long
Analyst, Stephens

Okay, great. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Ken Hoexter with Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Great. Good morning. Just a clarification real quick. Marta, you had mentioned some asset sales had declined below the line, but then above the line in operating income and other, you had an increase of $29 million this quarter. Just can you detail when and where you would put that above the line?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Yes. As you know, Ken, and I think you and several others of your colleagues have mentioned this over the years, there's historically been diversity in the industry of where land sales are. Over time, the industry has moved to where almost everyone has the operating land sales in operating expenses, and then the non-operating ones down in other income. That's what we're doing here, too. The reason why I called it out this quarter was because it was so large.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Okay, great. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. I know you're not giving too much detail on 2017 yet, but maybe just in general terms, Jim, can you talk about your thoughts on cash and more specifically CapEx? Given the reduced line maintenance and PTC kind of rolling over, do you look at CapEx dropping down to, I don't know, 15, 16% of revenues, or do you have some general thoughts on where you think CapEx goes?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Sure. We would expect to peg CapEx at 19% of revenue next year, and then for 2018 as well. That's our current thinking on the level of CapEx, reflecting the continuing spend on positive train control through 2018. After that, our plan is to reduce CapEx to 17% of revenue. That's obviously something that we're going to continue to monitor, and we want to make sure that those investments are generating appropriate returns as we go through the plan period. Right now, that'll be our plan, 19% for the next couple of years, and then 17% thereafter.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

No real roll-off given any of the, I guess, cost savings or line rationalizations in your view for the next year or two?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

We're going to stick to the 19% of revenue for the next two years.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Yeah.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

We will generate some savings from the line rationalization program, but we would expect to deploy that capital elsewhere.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Okay, great. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Walter Spracklin
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Thanks very much. I want to come back to the land sales on the operating results, Marta. I know when you had given us some guidance around materials and other last quarter and your operating ratio, you were giving us a $10 million reduction in materials and an OR that would actually be up slightly in the third quarter. With your land sale, you were actually down $54 million, and your OR was better. It seems like it was really driven by the land sale. My question is, you've pointed us to sub 70 for fourth quarter. Is that contingent, or what level of land sales would you expect to go into that number? Should we still be looking at a $10 million reduction in the fourth quarter materials?

I think, Jim, you mentioned your longer-term targets are not including land sales, but I'm just curious whether you'll be giving us guidance on what the operating land sales will be in 2017.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Let me take that in two pieces. First of all, the materials guidance was for a decline of $15 million in the third and fourth quarter. Materials did come down $15 million. You're correct that the land sales is something that is variable. We didn't forecast that. The other biggest increase in that line was the land sale gains. Even without any land sale gains, the timing of those are variable, so there may or may not be some in the fourth quarter. Even without the land sale gains, we think we'll be below 70 OR in the fourth quarter.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Looking into 2017 and beyond, we will update you on any and all land sales of which we are aware at the time. Granted, it's difficult to forecast the timing of closing in a lot of cases. As with non-operating property, you have to close before you book the gain, and timing of closing can be uncertain. When it happens, we'll make sure we let you know and if possible in advance.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

I will say that historically, these haven't been very significant. In the last couple of years, they've ranged between $10 million and $20 million for the whole year. $28 million in one quarter is large, which is why we called it out. Certainly, Mike and his folks, and Alan and his folks in the real estate side are looking to monetize any surplus assets after they've analyzed it to make sure that it doesn't have other opportunities for us now or perhaps in the future.

Walter Spracklin
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Did I hear you, it's below 70%, excluding any land sales for fourth quarter for OR, is that right?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Correct.

Walter Spracklin
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Then you mentioned some of the rerouting operations. You mentioned you're keeping them open for now, contingent on whether volume will come back. At what point do you decide this is a structural or kind of a permanent business level on those lines and decide to, in fact, close down those operations? How much OR improvement and synergy or efficiency can we get if you start closing down some of these reroutings that you've done to date?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

That's a judgment call. We do abandon lines from time to time on a fairly small scale. Every year we have line abandonments that we undertake. The additional savings would be rather modest from going from mothballing to outright abandonment. Because for all intents and purposes, we're not spending any money on a line that has been mothballed as we went through earlier.

Walter Spracklin
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you very much for the color.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Brian Konigsberg with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your questions.

Brian Konigsberg
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Yes. Hi, good morning.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Good morning.

Brian Konigsberg
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

I just wanted to ask about fuel surcharges and within the contracts to the extent you made progress during the quarter transitioning from WTI to on-highway, and maybe just add on to that, to the extent that we do see rising fuel prices, how much incremental fuel cost might you have to absorb before you start to see those surcharges start kicking in?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Alan, why don't you take the question about the trend in the fuel surcharge mechanisms, and then, Marta, maybe you can comment on the leverage aspect.

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

First and foremost, our focus is on price when we renegotiate contracts, and so we're not going to give up on price to change a fuel surcharge program. We have reduced our revenue that is tied to a WTI-based fuel surcharge from about 53% to slightly below 40% at this point.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Okay.

With regard to the effect on the income statement, our fuel surcharges in the third quarter were down $46 million year-over-year, and our fuel expense line was down $40 million. You can see that that was a $6 million compression in our operating income.

Brian Konigsberg
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Got it. I guess just as fuel may start to rise, how high would that need to go? How much additional expense might you absorb before seeing a meaningful contribution from the fuel surcharge?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Well, as we discussed in the past, our primary trigger in the merchandise area, which is largely where that 40% Alan mentioned is still on WTI, the primary trigger point is 64. As prices rise from where we are now, the closer they get to 64, each of those, we will have that compression similar to what I described there. One way to look at it is to examine the change in WTI and OHD that we had third quarter 2015 to third quarter 2016, and then see what that did to our fuel surcharges, and then you can extrapolate from there, depending on how you're forecasting oil prices to go up in the future.

Brian Konigsberg
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Got it. If I can just sneak one quick one in. Just on pension, if you snap the line today, can you give us a look at what 2017 looks like from a headwind or tailwind perspective?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

It's possible if you snap the line today with interest rates where they are, we would have some increase in pension expense. As you probably know, the interest rates for making those calculations are determined as of the end of the year. Once we see what interest rates are at December 31st, we will get an estimate for our pension expense for next year, and we will provide that information to you on the January call.

Brian Konigsberg
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Got it. Thank you.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your questions.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks. Good morning. Just curious, any thoughts or considerations with regard to weather third quarter, fourth quarter impacts? Thanks.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Yeah. As you know, we had Hurricane Matthew strike our southeast area on October 6th. Fortunately, we were able to get our network back up very quickly and provide service back to our customers. Really pleased about that. Shows the resiliency of our network and really shows the planning and coordination that we put into place in advance. From a cost standpoint, the impact is really immaterial. Very minor.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Thanks. Just curious about the automotive segment as we look into 2017. I realize you're not providing any material guidance, but just thoughts and considerations as we move into next year in that segment. Thanks.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

What are you seeing there, Alan?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

We are closely aligned with North American vehicle production, as that goes into 2017, is how our automotive volume goes. We're going to be closely monitoring the energy markets. We're going to closely monitor steel markets and retail inventory levels throughout the holiday season as we look into our volumes for 2017.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Brian Ossenbeck with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Ossenbeck
Analyst, JP Morgan

Good morning. Thanks for getting me on the call here. Just to go back to the network initiatives, I know you said your velocity and service has been maintained, and that's important to the network overall. From an actual headcount perspective, I think, Mike, you mentioned a few actions that we're taking, can you give us an actual impact on headcount that these network initiatives on the rationalization of 1,000 miles and what 1,500 would do? Can you give us the impact on headcount? Because we look at the five-year plan, you're looking at 65% of the savings coming from comp and benefits.

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

Just remember, these are our secondary main lines, we don't have as many folks maintaining those as our core main lines. That's why I talked about modest expense savings. As we continue to rationalize, we will have some headcount reduction, it will not be at large significant levels. I'll just say that we are on track for the headcount reductions we've got in our 2020 plan.

Brian Ossenbeck
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay. Alan, a quick one for you on intermodal. You talk a lot about the modal competition from truck and taking share off the highway. Of course, it's very loose market right now, how are you balancing that business and trying to get volume while maintaining price for the longer term, as you mentioned? I guess, what's your expectation for the truck market and when it gets tighter and what really drives that? Is it the ELD or is it something else?

Alan Shaw
EVP and CMO, Norfolk Southern

The key determinant for us in our growth has been an improved service product within the intermodal franchise. That's how we're balancing this, where we and our customers are taking a long-term view of our capacity and the benefit of our service product, which is how we're focusing on price. With respect to the trucking market, we do anticipate that that tightens next year, potentially towards the latter half of the year with the implementation of ELDs and a normalization of inventory levels. That's one of the reasons I referenced that earlier. The new norm is probably higher than it has been in the past, we still think that a reduction in the inventory sales level is warranted and would ultimately benefit volumes for us.

Brian Ossenbeck
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein Research. Please proceed with your questions.

David Vernon
Analyst, Bernstein Research

Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to follow up and wonder if you could add some color on the short-lining approach you guys are taking. Are you guys actually selling assets at this point or just hiring a short-line operator to do some of the feeder moves, if you will? Is there any union implications that we should be worried about as far as your expansion of that program going forward?

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

These are all leases that we've done. We've been doing leases for many years now. That's how we do the short line program. No, we work very well with our organizations on these leases and don't expect any impact there.

David Vernon
Analyst, Bernstein Research

The unions are okay with sort of shifting the work over to the lower cost operators?

Mike Wheeler
EVP and COO, Norfolk Southern

I didn't say that. I don't think that they're okay with it, but they understand where we're going. They understand that it's not a big part of our network. It's very small, and typically, we give them the opportunity to either go with the short line or come work with us because they're great assets that we'd like to have, but it's their choice. That's how we work through that.

David Vernon
Analyst, Bernstein Research

Okay. Then, Marta, maybe just as a quick follow-up, I think you talked about a sub 70 OR in 4Q. That would imply a little bit of an acceleration on the rate of improvement on the margin line. Is there anything specific that you would point out to as driving that, or is that just a function of the moderation in volume against what you guys have already executed on the productivity side?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Well, it includes a continuation of the efficiencies that Mike and his team have been able to get out. One thing I will make sure everybody remembers is that the fourth quarter of last year had restructuring costs. That was one thing that elevated the operating ratio in the fourth quarter of last year.

David Vernon
Analyst, Bernstein Research

Okay, thanks.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks very much. Good morning.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Good morning.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

I wonder if you could talk a little bit about how you balance service versus cost efficiency. That concept has come up a number of times. I noticed that the service composite has improved meaningfully on a year-over-year basis, but it's been pretty stable at 80% on a year-to-date basis. Just curious if that's a service level that you're consciously managing to, or is there room for that to continue to go higher even as you achieve productivity gains?

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Well, we think we're at a pretty steady state in terms of the composite metric right now. Which, by the way, we would characterize as a network performance metric. We are also measuring and managing two customer service metrics directly in each of our different lines of business. The two go hand in hand. We watch network performance metrics, and in the field we manage to them. At an enterprise level, we're also obviously very focused on customer service metrics, direct measures of customer service as the customers see them. Our strategy overall is to reduce any and all spending. Wherever we see an opportunity to reduce spending, we will. However, we are going to seek to maintain a consistent level of customer service. That's the smart thing to do from a cost-saving standpoint, and it also is our platform for growth in the future.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. That's all from me.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Don Broughton with Avondale Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Don Broughton
Analyst, Avondale Partners

Good morning, everyone.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Move on.

Don Broughton
Analyst, Avondale Partners

Most of the good questions have been taken, I'll ask one of the housekeeping questions. Perhaps I missed it in your opening comments, Marta, but can you give us a little bit more insight on the tax rate? How sustainable is that? Because that was certainly a good almost 300 basis points less than I was looking for.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

Yes, we did have an under 35% tax rate in the quarter, which was lower than we had been guiding to. That was primarily due to corporate-owned life insurance, which when those returns come in, they are not taxable, That affects the effective tax rate in the quarter that those returns are booked. The other main reason was stock compensation. I mentioned those two in my prepared remarks. There were a couple of other items that were smaller. One of them is tax credits. If you'll recall, last year, Congress passed the extension of the tax credits in the fourth quarter of last year, Those were all booked in the fourth quarter.

Since they extended them into 2016 when they did that, We've been able to do those in each of the quarters, It gives us a lower effective rate throughout the year rather than just getting booked all at once.

Don Broughton
Analyst, Avondale Partners

Good enough. We should expect an oscillation back towards a more normalized tax rate in fourth and on ongoing quarters then?

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

In next year, a more normalized rate. In the fourth quarter, we expect to stay at 36%. Then for the full year, as I mentioned, for the full year, we think we'll be around 36%.

Don Broughton
Analyst, Avondale Partners

Thank you so much.

Marta Stewart
EVP and CFO, Norfolk Southern

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Jim Squires for closing comments.

Jim Squires
Chairman, President, and CEO, Norfolk Southern

Thank you for your time, everyone, this morning. This concludes our third quarter conference call.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time.