Really excited about the next session that we have, which is with Norfolk Southern, the second railroad that we have presenting so far today on Tuesday here. From the company, we've got a great lineup. We have Mark George, who's the EVP and Chief Financial Officer, and Alan Shaw, the EVP and Chief Commercial Officer. Gentlemen, welcome. Thanks very much for joining us. We appreciate you coming to the conference virtually here. We wish we were in Miami. Unfortunately, it's a lot colder here and probably even where you are too. Let me turn it over to you. I think you have a couple of things that you want to run through, and we'll leave plenty of time for Q&A.
Just as a reminder to the audience, there is an opportunity to ask questions and type it into the dialogue box on your screens, or certainly just feel free to shoot me an email, and I'll get them out to the gentlemen. With that, I'll turn it over to you guys.
Thanks, Chris. Yeah, we've got a few slides we'll go through with you. Before we get into that, just a quick reminder, we will include certain forward-looking statements in our presentation today, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, as noted in our 10-K. I plan to speak to adjusted 2020 results. Please refer to the non-GAAP reconciliation posted on our website under this event. Specifically, recall in the first quarter of 2020, we launched a rationalization of our locomotive fleet by 703 units, which resulted in a non-cash charge of $385 million. In the third quarter, we disclosed a $99 million non-cash impairment charge related to an equity method investment. I will speak to full-year results excluding both of those charges. If you go to slide three, 2020 clearly brought significant challenges to our country, our economy, and therefore our industry and our company.
Despite the Q2 economic shutdown and resulting 26% decline in volumes, it did not interrupt our continued focus on driving productivity in our company. With full-year volumes down 12%, we managed to reduce costs by 14% and improve our operating ratio by 30 basis points. We idled four humps in the year, two of them in the second quarter during the height of the pandemic. We rebaselined our train plan and then leveraged the returning volumes in the second half with strong incremental margins of 78% in the third quarter and 67% in the fourth quarter. We did this by growing our trains longer and heavier, allowing for the liquidation of over 700 locomotives while driving fuel efficiency gains each quarter of the year. By the way, that smaller locomotive fleet required less material and maintenance expense. Workforce was 18% smaller in 2020.
Putting this into context, in 2015, we had over 30,000 employees, while in 2020, we ended with just over 19,000 employees. We are a much different company and far more productive. The result was strong margin expansion in three of the four quarters last year with consistent OR reductions of between 230 basis points and 240 basis points. With that, let me hand over to Alan, who will now cover the 2020 market changes and our expectations in 2021 for those same markets.
We had talked, Chris, on our fourth quarter earnings call about how we exited 2020 with a lot of momentum. Now, recall that our revenue, ex-fuel surcharge in our intermodal franchise, was up 11% year over year in the fourth quarter. We are clearly back above pre-pandemic levels within intermodal. We pivoted to growth during the quarter in our industrial products, less energy segment. Energy continued to be pressured. As we moved into 2021, we saw that momentum carry over into January. We were really pleased with the broad-based strength that we had, frankly, in all of our markets. In January, intermodal came out really hot. The housing market is about as strong as we have seen in over a decade. Automotive production in 2021 is projected to be above 2019 levels. Metals prices are close to all-time highs, and retail inventory levels remain near all-time lows.
You've got some strength in markets, and then you've got this inventory replenishment cycle that we're, frankly, we're just starting, which gives us a lot of confidence as we move through 2021 and is what gave us a lot of confidence to guide to 9% revenue growth for the full year. I will tell you, you can see a dip in our volumes as February has unfolded. That is all relating to winter storm activity. We've had a number of disruptions to, frankly, our network and our customers' networks, the drayage community and our customers' abilities to process through February. Frankly, it's only getting worse this week with the storms that have just recently hit the Chicago, the Northeast, and the Mid-Atlantic area. You should expect to see pressure in volumes as we move through February.
It is projected to get above freezing in Chicago by this weekend. Our recovery cycle will start at that point. It doesn't change anything about our outlook for the remainder of the year, but you should expect to see stuff pushed into the second quarter and into the third quarter. Next slide, please. Again, as you just kind of walk through our markets, we see strength in merchandise. Merchandise activity has been increasing in each of the last eight months. We've got an unrivaled intermodal franchise, which faces consumer activity in the East and is positioned up against the fastest-growing segments of the U.S. economy. Within coal, we've seen some improvements in export thermal coal demand. What you're going to see is you see strength in volumes. It's accretive to our margin targets.
However, as you know, export thermal coal has a lower RPU than overall export coal and overall coal RPU. I'll turn it back over to Mark.
All right. Thanks. Look, we do feel good about our 2021 outlook. As you heard from Alan, markets in general are showing buoyancy driven by increased manufacturing and consumer activity. Our 2021 planning model has strong intermodal and merchandise segments propelling us to high single-digit volume growth, which translates into that 9% revenue growth that Alan just mentioned. Intermodal leads the way. Merchandise will grow solidly, although we do have coal declining, even if there are periods of strength during the year with coal, as we're seeing here in the first quarter. With this top-line momentum and our ability, I think proven ability to leverage our resources, we expect a run rate to get to a run rate OR in the 60s with 300 basis points of OR improvement this year. I'll just mention that that's not the end point.
We'll be going into the 50s after we hit 60, and we're going to continue to narrow the gap with the industry. With regard to capital allocation, we expect capital expenditures to approximate $1.6 billion. We raised our dividend last month in conjunction with increasing our dividend payout ratio to 35-40% of net income. As we demonstrated in 2020, we are committed to protecting liquidity while returning remaining cash flow along with capacity from financial leverage to our shareholders. Going forward, we're going to continue advancing productivity initiatives and bring freight onto the railroad more profitably than ever. We know there is more improvement to be made across the organization, and we will execute on our commitments to drive efficiencies and create long-term sustained value for our shareholders. Thanks for your attention, Chris, and we are now ready for Q&A.
Fantastic. Guys, thanks so much for running us through that. I thought that was very helpful. I guess maybe starting off with the shorter term. The weather impact is interesting. It is something that we have been talking about really all day today at the conference. Maybe you can help us sort of put a little bit more of a framework around what is going on. I mean, last year, there clearly was a fairly clean first quarter from an operating perspective around weather. This one is less so. Any way or any sort of perspective or benchmark you can kind of give us to what this might look like from a weather impact perspective relative to what we have seen in years past?
Yeah, Chris, I'll cover that. You can certainly see it in the volumes. The first one to suffer the impact has been our intermodal volumes. You have seen those are down about 10,000 units from previous weeks. That really is a function of drayage capacity. Really, what we saw about a week and a half ago as the storms hit is our trains continue to operate and our intermodal terminals continue to operate, but street activity just effectively ground to a halt. A lot of that was because localities would not allow trucks out onto the highway. It is not for a lack of trying by anybody. You get this imbalance in assets, and that has created some issues. Now the weather that is moving its way across the U.S. has impacted operations within Chicago.
I was up in Chicago last week, and I woke up, and it was like two degrees. And that's Fahrenheit. That's not Celsius. It really makes it things just operate slower in the cold. Cranes operate slower. It takes longer to get air on trains. You have to run shorter trains. If you have a lot of snow activity, sometimes you can't double-stack because the snow impedes your ability to put container on container. It really does sap the capacity in a network. The good thing is we are continuing to be productive. We're continuing to operate every day. Frankly, hats off to our operations team, our intermodal ops team, and to our business partners for getting out there in this severe weather because any work we can get accomplished today is work we don't have to do tomorrow. We're going to keep moving.
It's going to warm up, and volume will recover and rebound. It's just we're seeing a winter's worth of weather in about a month. Whereas you harken back to like 2014, it started getting cold in December and lasted through March. We haven't had that. This is just it's isolated, and it's acute in the month of February.
Got it. That's helpful. It strikes me that before we started to see some of the last week or so of challenging weather, your volumes in the first quarter actually seemed to be trending actually quite good relative to what I felt like your full-year guidance would suggest, understanding that the first quarter was not the easy comp, right? 2 Q, certainly, and 3 Q is where the comps get significantly easier. Can you put a little context around what you're seeing from a demand perspective? Because, like I said, I think through the first, call it, month and week or so of the quarter, felt like you guys were running up almost 5%, which was, I thought, a good start to the year.
Yeah, we were all pretty happy with our start to the year and, frankly, our ability to handle that kind of growth. As I noted, I think we saw broad-based strength. It's in areas, frankly, where we weren't really anticipating. Commodity prices have certainly improved over the last couple of weeks. Plumber prices are up 47% just in the last three weeks, reflecting the strength in the housing industry. When I was in Chicago, we were with a metals customer. His point to us is metals is the new toilet paper. Everybody wants it, but nobody can get it, right? There's a lot of demand out there for that. That's reflecting of the auto industry. With that, it also pulls plastics. Our plastics volume was really strong. Corn prices have held up.
Our ag volumes had been very strong as well. Thermal export coal, we've got some pretty good visibility that that's going to be solid for us through the first half of this year. Beyond that, no one's making any predictions because a lot of it has to do with the exchange rate and then the trade tensions between Australia and China. There were a number of factors that led us to deliver really solid growth in January. There hasn't been any demand destruction associated with this weather. Once we recover, pardon me, our customers recover from this, and frankly, the whole North American rail network does too, we're going to be back towards that level of growth.
We probably still have another week to go.
Yeah. We absolutely have at least another week to go. We'll have another week to go before we get into decent operating conditions from weather. Then it's going to be reason to catch up.
We need to catch up.
Yeah. It's going to take some time to unwind all the delays and the bottlenecks in the network associated with this.
Okay. Okay. That certainly makes sense, and that's helpful. Auto is obviously a significant franchise for you guys as well. We've been hearing about chip shortages impacting potential production at some of the OEMs. I don't know if you have a perspective on what you're seeing on the auto side. The comps get very, very, very easy in another quarter. Before we get to that point, do we think that maybe the outlook there has been somewhat diminished, or is that maybe not such an issue for you guys?
Yeah, Chris, I think it depends upon your time frame. I will tell you that the semiconductor issue is more troublesome, more acute in the next couple of weeks than we had seen a couple of weeks before. I was asked about it on the call, and we noticed that it was somewhat problematic. It's become more of an issue with some of the plants that we serve. You can see that in our auto volumes. I'll also note that the plants that we serve are making SUVs and trucks and transit vans. Our customers, our OEMs, they're capitalists. They're going to do everything they can to hit the demand for those high-profile, high-margin vehicles throughout the year. It will push some auto business into the second quarter and into the third quarter.
I am confident that they're going to make that up throughout the year. We remain very solid in our outlook for the year in terms of near double-digit growth in intermodal and automotive and in industrial products ex-energy.
Okay. Okay. No, that certainly makes sense. It sounds like the demand hasn't relented at all in those markets anyway.
No, I don't think it has. The only thing that's happened is that finished vehicle inventories has declined.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right.
What you further?
Right. What you're going to see is you're going to see that move up or production move up. In some cases, what we're seeing is the automakers are effectively making almost the entire vehicle and just waiting for the semiconductors to insert those chips when available. You're not seeing as much of an impact on the metals market as you would normally expect because in some cases, production is slow. In other cases, they're continuing to produce, and they're just going to wait for that final component.
Okay. That's helpful. Just thinking about sort of the mix dynamic and maybe how that's reflected in revenue per car load as we see this year progress. Obviously, some pretty big headwinds to mix and RPU in general and sort of parts of 2020. You kind of were moving in the right direction. Fourth quarter was better than at least we had expected. I think the trajectory might be still positive as we move getting better sequentially in 1 Q and then ultimately easier comps in 2 Q. Has anything around that changed with what you've seen in terms of the makeup of the demand so far that's kind of come through in 1 Q and maybe what is at least temporarily impacted due to weather? Are we still on that same path of sort of gradual improvement as we get into 2021?
Yeah. I'll take it broadly, and then I'll dial down into markets. We still are expecting overall RPU to be negative in the first quarter. Part of that's mix. Part of that is fuel surcharge comps year over year. As I think about where some of the growth is occurring for us in the first quarter, export thermal coal is a great example. It's accretive to our margin targets. It is a lower length of haul than our export met. It doesn't carry that same sort of RPU as export metallurgical coal. It's generally a lower RPU than our U.S. South volume as well. We'll see what happens as a result of this weather. We start to see improvements in commodity prices, natural gas, which would be supportive of export coal.
We'll see how much stockpile gets burnt down at our utility franchises as a result of this. I can tell you even they are trying to determine what their target stockpile is in an environment in which they're not baseload. It's generally going to be lower than what you would expect out of a baseload plant. There will be some inventory overhang that has to get worked off even if coal generation is improving. With respect to our intermodal franchise, as that continues to be a growth driver and you see even a little bit more international volume for us this year, that'll have negative implications for RPU mix as well.
Okay. Okay. Got it. That's helpful. Just as you think about some of that coal dynamic, I think I heard you that there's export thermal coal going out as it stands right now. There's some demand kind of coming back for that business. Does that have a positive impact on the way we think about coal yields?
No, that would have a negative mix effect on coal yields.
Okay. On an all-in basis.
Yes.
Okay. Okay. That's helpful. All right. I wanted to turn to sort of the cost side and productivity and the operating ratio because obviously, that's a significant piece of the story. I think we just saw January headcount numbers, and they ended up looking, I thought, quite good relative to December. I think that was coming at the same time that volume was up close to mid-single digits or so. Could you talk a little bit about sort of the headcount outlook, how you're managing that as we're seeing sort of volume recover coming out of 2020?
Sure, Chris. I'll answer that. We're looking at volumes, as we mentioned, in that high single-digit range. We got to be ready to deliver on that. Our goal is really to try to absorb that with the current headcount that we ended the year with, no more than that. In fact, if we can continue to drive it down, we would. The goal really is to try to manage this incremental volume growth with no more than the headcounts we ended the year with. The operations group has done a tremendous job, like I mentioned, filling out the trains in the back half of the year, making them longer, making them heavier, and driving productivity into the network. It is a formula that we know works. We have capacity to continue doing that.
I want to say if our average train length is 7,000 right now, only 20% of them are running at 10,000 feet. There is a lot more capacity to make these trains longer and try to leverage our cost base.
Okay. Good timing because as we've been talking, a question came in about train lengths. I think the question is, what are some of the trade-offs associated with longer train lengths? What type of environment would you need to see to be able to, I guess, sort of maximize train lengths? I guess, where are you in that process, and maybe how much more opportunity do you have to go?
We'll ham and egg this, Alan and I, but we have capacity, especially up in the north where we have a lot of double track and extensive siding to run our trains very long. Down in the south, we have a little bit more challenges with limitations on length due to sidings and potential meets. We are not concerned yet that we are coming up to a limit in terms of how long we can grow our trains. I do not know if you want to add to that, Alan.
Yeah. One of the things that we're applying to it, Chris, is technology. We've instituted or are in the process of integrating a new terminal operating system for our intermodal terminals. As a result of that, plus some process changes, we're increasing the weight of our intermodal trains. In December, intermodal train weight was up 22%, and length was up 13%. Not only are we making it longer, we're making it vertically more revenue dense. We still have more opportunity to go. We've got it within our merchandise franchise as well. One of the benefits of running a co-mingled network is you can put any type of car on a train to add to the weight. We've got premium intermodal trains that handle coil cars in the steel market. There is a lot of opportunity for us to continue to increase train length.
Frankly, I think my planning group will tell me that probably the best thing that we can do is add more volume onto those trains. That is the limitation. They want to see some more volume.
Okay. Yeah, I guess that's not a bad place to be if you're eager and excited to see that incremental volume kind of come onto the network. We've talked about, you guys have talked about meaningful OR improvements in 2021, obviously with a backdrop of very robust revenue and, as you said, sort of flattish from a headcount perspective. There's sort of the implication that there's the ability to sort of leverage the work that you've done on the network as it stands today. I guess I want to go a step further and think about maybe the bigger picture. Where are there still the opportunities from a cost perspective for you guys to take out? I get leveraging the headcount, and it makes a ton of sense. I think ultimately, we'll drive a lot of improvement for you.
Where are you on fuel efficiency? Are there other investments that you think you need to make to be able to grow out train length a little longer? Kind of what are the next steps in the process as you guys kind of go down this PSR journey to optimizing the operating ratio?
Sure, Chris. I mean, if you go down the P&L, and I already mentioned the headcount, but the point is that holding heads flat to where we ended the year is going to end up in several points of reduction in year-over-year headcount on an average basis. So we'll get some comp and then tailwinds from that that get offset to some degree by merit increases and some incentive headwinds. Fuel is another, obviously, a big P&L item. We drove fuel efficiency every quarter last year, and we will continue to drive fuel efficiency this year. Now, obviously, GTMs will be up in 2021, as well as fuel price per gallon, maybe not in Q1, but in certainly the way the second, third, and fourth quarter looks. We're going to have some headwinds there.
When we start looking at structural costs and we go into things like purchase services, there's two elements. We've got a volume variable piece of purchase services that will grow with volume. A lot of that is the lift cost on the intermodal network. There's still a fair amount of purchase services that are indeed structural that we continue to really drill into and try to optimize as best we can. That said, there are some technology spend costs that are in purchase services, mainly IT, etc., where we are investing. We're investing in technology to serve the customer better, to drive the top line, but also to take out cost elsewhere in the P&L. We've seen some of those benefits manifest, but they do provide a little bit of headwinds into the purchase service line. From there, you can look at materials.
Materials, I think, is a good news story. We're benefiting from the fewer locomotives that we have in our active fleet now. I told you we got rid of 703 locomotives last year. That required a lot less material spend. You saw that show up in the third and fourth quarter, and I think we're going to continue to enjoy that here in 2021. The other big P&L item is depreciation, which typically goes up, as you know, but we've changed our capital profile quite a bit. Eliminating the locomotives reduces some level of depreciation. We won't have the same depreciation headwinds like we've had in the past. We'll still have some, but it won't be to the magnitude because of the elimination of the locomotives from our fleet and adding less CapEx. There's less depreciation that comes online as a result.
Those are some of the things we're looking at. Then equipment rents is, I guess, the other big P&L item, and that is mostly volume variable. That will move with volumes related to auto and intermodal primarily.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, that's super helpful. You talked about the locomotives both at the beginning of the slides and just now. Where do you feel like you are in terms of the fleet? Are you sort of right-sized for the volume growth opportunity that you see in 2021? When do you think you would need to sort of reinvest in that part of the capital envelope again, or is there more opportunity to potentially take out some of the lower performers?
Yeah. Great question. Right now, when you talk to our operations people, they feel as though we've got a very good fleet, and we have surge capacity on the sidelines. We're not concerned about, did we go too deep in taking out some of the locomotives? We actually feel very good about our fleet. We've been doing a lot of upgrades to the locomotive fleet, as you are well aware. We've got about, I think, 55% penetrated that have been upgraded from DC to AC. That's good. We're on path to get into the 60s within the next 18 months or so in that penetration. Basically, 93% of our locomotive fleet is equipped with energy management systems. The fleet is getting more modern. We don't expect to be buying locomotives anytime in the next couple of few years.
At this point right now, I think we've got a good asset base to serve the growing volume. Do you want to add anything else?
Yeah. I think the investments in the locomotive fleet are around efficiencies.
Yeah. That's right.
We're not adding units. We're adding efficiency to it.
Correct.
Yep. Yep. That makes sense. I think this year it was notable that the CapEx guidance has sort of come down a little bit in terms of the percent of revenue. I think back at investor day a little while ago, you guys talked about sort of maybe a CapEx percent of sales is a little bit higher than where you are now. When you think about that, is it the rationalization of locomotives, and you're at the point where the investments now are targeted on efficiencies and not new builds? Are there other pieces of the network that now are more self-sustaining at a lower capital intensity? Just want to make sure I understand sort of some of the nuance of that change.
Yeah. We were running, I think you know it, roughly $2 billion per year of CapEx over the past five, six years. Realistically, the PTC spend, which was peaking about five, six years ago, had been coming down. Right now, it's essentially zero. What we've done is we've taken a fresh look at where our CapEx needs to be so that we can harvest the PTC, the evaporation of PTC spend. That's really much of the improvement, kind of restoring that reduction in PTC and letting that drop through to our current spend levels. Obviously, we continue to perform our maintenance of way investments to ensure that our infrastructure has got solid integrity to it, and we maintain a safe network for sure.
We continue to actually grow our technology investments in other areas, like I said, to drive customer service and to drive efficiencies and productivity. We are also working with Alan and the group on terminal spend and other investments for growth to try to drive growth. We really looked collectively as a team between operations, IT, marketing, engineering, everywhere, and just tried to bring down our spend and rationalize it to the higher priority, higher impact items. That is kind of where we are. We brought it down to $1.5 billion. We are bringing it up a little bit this year, not at the same rate of revenue growth, only to $1.6 billion. From here, I would hope that we would contain it to inflationary-type increases regardless of whether revenue exceeds that or not.
Okay. That puts you in an interesting situation. A high-class problem of more free cash flow available for other uses. As you think about prioritizing that free cash flow, can you sort of talk a little bit about where buybacks kind of fall into that, where the dividend falls into that, and maybe how comfortable you are with financial leverage in sort of executing some of those plans?
Yeah. So look, point one, we are absolutely committed to our credit rating, the BBB+ and Baa1 rating. Obviously, the contraction in EBITDA kind of put some pressure on us last year where we kind of swelled a little bit outside of that band on the Moody's range. Fortunately, we're going to get good earnings growth this year. That will allow us actually to grow our leverage again this year while we shrink our debt-to-EBITDA multiple back into the band. We are going to be responsible stewards of cash. We raised our dividend, I think you know. We've moved our dividend payout ratio up, and we will continue to be in the market repurchasing shares with excess cash.
Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. I want to come back to the operating ratio and think about this from maybe a bigger picture perspective. I think you mentioned this afternoon here about the potential to go beyond the 60 sort of run rate that you hope to hit at some point during this year. Obviously, there's a couple of other players out there operating at lower levels than that. One of the things that we've looked at relative to your Eastern peer is sort of the sort of yield or the revenue quality that you get out of the total franchise. How do you think about sort of approaching that longer-term gap, right? Is it as much about sort of the operations and the cost side as it is about the revenue? I mean, we talked a few years ago about the yield-up strategy.
I know it's still something that's important to you guys, but how do you balance that out, sort of revenues and sort of efficiencies and expenses to be able to make that sort of step beyond 60 into something into the 50 sustainably?
Chris, I'll make a run at that. Frankly, it takes a dual and a balanced approach to this thing. One of the reasons that we've got, say, a lower RTM per car is because of the strength of our intermodal franchise. We had the foresight to invest in that. That's where markets are growing. We're unrivaled in that area, and we're going to leverage that to the benefit of our shareholders and our customers going forward. We also have a number of initiatives in place to improve the productivity and not only the intermodal franchise, but our overall network. I talked about some of the intermodal ones. Mark has talked a lot about the ones that you see across our franchise.
We also know that with respect to the type of freight that is attracted to Norfolk Southern because of our high service quality, because of our no-surprises approach to PSR, because of our long-standing relationship and collaboration with our customers, that we can secure a better revenue-per-revenue ton mile than some others. You see that. That is not even open for debate. It is in the numbers. We also know that is going to fit onto the existing train network. As I told you, I am being pushed probably more so by my planning department than any other to grow business on existing trains. It is a multifaceted approach that, frankly, aligns with our overall strategy and aligns where we think markets are headed.
Got it. That's helpful. Maybe the last one here as we're wrapping up, just to be mindful of time, is what will determine sort of how quickly in 2021 you kind of reach that sustainable or that run rate of the 60? Obviously, the first quarter, the comps get a lot easier after the first quarter. The first quarter maybe is going to have some challenges around the weather dynamic. We'll see how that kind of plays out. As you sort of think about the year and the progress you can make, is it getting surprised to the upside on volume? Is it just sort of really kind of hustle and blocking and tackling on the cost side? What kind of gets you sort of earlier in that process where maybe you outperform your targets for the year?
I do think the cadence on the volume will have probably a meaningful impact. Obviously, as we mentioned, we had a really strong January the way the volumes were coming. We were feeling extraordinarily good about the way the year was going to look. Those two steps forward, we just took a couple of steps back with the weather. Mother Nature really put a dagger into some of that progress we were making. Now we do not know how much of this we make up here within the first quarter. Can we make it up and get back on track? It is why we do not give quarterly guidance, because you just cannot predict these kinds of things. Four weeks in, we felt great. Five weeks in, we felt great.
Now we feel a little disappointed that we got a setback here in terms of volumes. As Alan said, this shouldn't be gone forever. It should just be a little bit of a snowplow, pun intended, of the volume. We'll just see how long it takes for the entire transportation network to get back on track. I would say that certainly would be the main driver, Chris.
Okay. Got it. Listen, gentlemen, thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate you joining us at the conference. Thanks to the investors on the line. I'll let you guys get back to your busy days of meetings, but appreciate you spending the time with us. Thank you very much.
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