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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

May 6, 2021

Speaker 1

Welcome and thank you for joining Oaktree Specialty Lending Corporation's 2nd Fiscal Quarter 2021 Conference Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode, but will be prompted for a question and answer session following the prepared remarks. Now, I would like to introduce Michael Mosticchio of Investor Relations, who will host today's conference call. Mr.

Mosticchio, you may begin.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and welcome to Oaktree Specialty Lending Corporation's 2nd fiscal quarter conference call. Our earnings release, which we issued this morning, and the accompanying slide presentation can be accessed on the Investors section of our website at oaktreespecialtylending.com. Our speakers today are Amit Kinosian, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer Matt Pendo, President and Chief Operating Officer and Mel Carlisle, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. We will be happy to take your questions following their prepared remarks. Before we begin, I want to remind you that comments on today's call include forward looking statements reflecting our current views with respect to, among other things, We believe that we realize the anticipated benefits of the merger and our future operating results and financial performance, our actual results could differ materially from those implied or expressed In the forward looking statements, please refer to our SEC filings for a discussion of these factors in further detail.

We undertake no duty to update or revise I'd also like to remind you that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or solicitation of an offer Purchase any interest in any Oaktree fund. Investors and others should note that Oaktree Specialty Lending uses the Investors section of its corporate website to announce website. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Matt.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mike, and welcome, everyone. We appreciate your interest in and support of OCSL and we hope everyone listening is well. We continued to generate momentum in the 2nd quarter with earnings, Origination activity and credit quality all strong. We reported NAV per share of $7.09 up 4% from the prior quarter. The increase reflected both continuing market spread tightening and price appreciation on certain liquid debt investments during the quarter.

As with last quarter, our NAV continues to exceed its pre COVID high and is up more than 7%

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from the

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end of calendar 2019. We continue to produce steady, strong results. Adjusted net investment income per share, which excludes the impact of asset acquisition accounting related to the merger Strategic Income Corporation was 0 point Consistent performance and confidence in the potential to further improve earnings, our Board increased our quarterly dividend by 8% to $0.13 per share, the 4th consecutive quarterly increase. This also marked a 37% increase from a year earlier. We continue to actively identify attractive new deals.

During the quarter and excluding the assets we acquired as part of the OCSI merger, We originated $318,000,000 of new investment commitments. Of these, 80% were 1st lien loans. Originations this quarter demonstrated the breadth of Oaktree's sourcing platform as new deals were spread across a variety of industries, real estate, software, industrials and to a mix of sponsor and non sponsored businesses. We received $229,000,000 From paydowns and exits in the quarter, these were mostly composed of 2nd liens, unsecured debt and lower yielding investments. Notably, exits included our position in Airbnb, which generated $2,000,000 of prepayment income that contributed to earnings.

The weighted average yield on our new debt investments in the quarter was 8.2%, which compared favorably to the average yield of 6.8% on investments that we exited. We continue to identify opportunities and structure deals with attractive yields despite the low interest rate environment. That noted, we We're approaching new investments consciously, giving some lingering uncertainty about the pandemic in both the timing and durability of a full recovery. With that in mind, our credit quality remains exceptional. We further reduced non core holdings during the quarter, exiting 3 positions: Non core investments, including the $32,000,000 of non core investments acquired from OCSI, now represent $164,000,000 With OCSI, which occurred on March 19.

As we have emphasized previously, we believe that this transaction has resulted in several benefits OCSL, including a larger, more scaled BDC with $2,300,000,000 of assets, up from $1,700,000,000 in the prior quarter, And improvement in portfolio diversity, including an increase in 1st lien loans to 68% of the portfolio at fair value from 60%, Increased trading liquidity, and we also expect the merger to be accretive to NII over both the near and long term through cost savings and the 2 year fee waiver. In addition, part of our rationale for the merger was improved access to more diverse lower cost funding sources. Since quarter end, we have been hard at work making improvements to our capital structure. Earlier this week, we amended our syndicated credit facility, increasing the size to $950,000,000 from $800,000,000 and extending maturity by 2 years to 2026. We also retired a higher cost credit facility that was acquired from OCSI.

While there is still some more to be done, We believe these actions position us well to optimally fund investments and will help reduce our overall cost of debt capital. Overall, we are very pleased with the quarter and our results year to date and the completion of the merger. We are confident the scale we now have will help drive further benefits for our shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Armin.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. The credit and equity markets continue to advance along with declining unemployment and improving economy and forecast for strong GDP growth in the second half 2021. Vaccine rollout programs, while varied by country, have proven successful to date overall in the United States and other developed countries, Adding to optimism, we share in the confidence and yet ours is cautious optimism. Exceptional fiscal and monetary stimulus has supported the recovery and and help fuel investor confidence, liquidity and the availability of credit. We believe equity valuations already reflect expectations for strong economic growth and therefore may be inflated as the ultimate success of vaccinations and corresponding GDP expansion still remain uncertain.

Mindful of that uncertainty, we continue to approach new investments defensively, guarding against the downside in our investments and securing appropriate compensation for risk. All of that noted, we are actively investing in generating strong risk adjusted returns for our shareholders. We are drawing upon the full breadth of Oaktree's Galen Resources to invest across multiple markets with a diversified group of issuers. We are further building the portfolio with investments in consistently Performing companies and in sectors that present relatively low risk, notably including those that proved resilient throughout the pandemic from life sciences to Application Software. We are also lending to businesses that are not easily underwritten via traditional cash flow based methodologies, And we continue to carefully study the rescue lending landscape, an area in which we have found appealing opportunities.

We also continue to pursue unique opportunities where competition is limited, leveraging Oaktree's ability to negotiate and structure customized private deals that provide downside risk management by mitigating specific risks of the issuer. Now turning to the overall portfolio. At the end of the second quarter, the portfolio was well diversified with $2,300,000,000 at fair value across 137 companies. The portfolio grew as a result of the $504,000,000 of assets we acquired from OCSI And net new investment fundings, 86% of the portfolio was invested in senior secured loans. Our median Portfolio company EBITDA at March 31 was approximately $100,000,000 as we continue to focus on lending to larger, more diversified businesses.

Credit quality continues to be excellent. In addition to having no portfolio companies on non accrual, Amendments and modifications are very low. Turning now to investment activity. During the quarter, we found numerous opportunities in companies with attractive risk reward profiles as well as unique opportunities requiring specially structured terms. I'd like to highlight our investment in NN Incorporated as an excellent example.

NN Incorporated is a diversified Industrial company that designs, manufactures and sells high precision components for a variety of industries, including the electrical, automotive, General Industrial, Aerospace, Defense and Medical Markets. It has a number of growth initiatives underway and is poised to expand alongside several of its end markets. The company saw a total of $265,000,000 in new credit to pay off maturing debt and to fund its ongoing growth. Oaktree provided a $150,000,000 term loan due 2026 with attractive pricing at LIBOR plus 6.875%. As a condition to providing our loan, the borrower was required to raise preferred equity that would be subordinated to our position.

OCSL was allocated $60,000,000 of the loan total. Other compelling investments during the quarter, all attractively priced, Included a $40,000,000 loan to Sunland Asphalt and Construction, which provides specialty contract services for roads, parking lots and artificial sports field services. A $30,000,000 loan to Inventus Power, which engineers and manufacturers battery packs and power supplies for the commercial, medical and government markets And a $13,000,000 follow on preferred equity investment in Thrasio, which consolidates popular brands that sell their goods mainly via Amazon's marketplace. Our strong liquidity coupled with the resources of Oaktree positions us very well to continue identifying unique and attractive opportunities in both public and private investments. Now, I will turn the call over to Mel to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Armin. Good morning, everyone. Before getting into the discussion of the income statement, I would like to discuss the GAAP accounting that is related to our merger with OCSI because of its unique treatment of asset valuations. Although the merger was structured as a NAV for NAV exchange, under GAAP, the merger was accounted for using the asset acquisition method. Under this framework, the fair value of the consideration paid by OCSL to acquire OCSI was based on the number of OCSL shares issued and stock price immediately prior to the merger close.

With a small adjustment for OCSL's capitalized merger cost. Because OCSL was trading at a discount to NAV at Closing, the final consideration paid resulted in a $34,100,000 purchase discount for the net assets of OCSI relative to their fair value. This purchase discount was allocated pro rata based on a fair market value to former OCSI assets. As a result, OCSL's initial cost basis for the assets equaled their fair value at the time of the merger, less the purchase discount. Immediately upon the close of the merger, OCSL recognized a one time unrealized gain equal to the total purchase discount of 34,100,000 As we remark the assets back to their fair value, this one time gain was a non cash event.

Going forward, each individual debt investment acquired from OCSI will amortize from its new cost basis as established by the purchase accounting treatment back to par over its remaining life or will be accelerated if the investment is exited before maturity. Importantly, we have amended our investment advisory agreement To revise the calculation of incentive fees to ensure that any net accretion income or net realized gains arising solely from the merger accounting treatment will have no impact on the incentive fees payable to Oaktree. Once again, this will be a non cash event every quarter. In the second quarter, In addition to the one time unrealized gain, we also recorded $665,000 of discount accretion income as a result of the merger accounting. We have introduced several non GAAP measures to supplement our GAAP financials in order to make the company's post merger financial results easier to understand and more comparable to our results prior to the merger.

These non GAAP measures are intended to remove the impact of the income accretion as well as any net realized and Unrealized gains or losses arising solely from the merger accounting adjustments. More information about these supplemental disclosures can be found in our earnings release and slide presentation. Now turning to the financial results of the Q2. After removing the merger related accretion, Total investment income was $41,300,000 up from $38,200,000 in the prior quarter. The $3,100,000 increase was mainly due to our larger portfolio resulting from both stronger originations and the OCSI portfolio that we acquired.

Net expenses for the 2nd quarter totaled $23,800,000 down 4 point $4,000,000 sequentially. The decrease was driven by lower accrued Part II incentive fees. This was partially offset by higher interest expense and base management fees, mainly due to an increase in borrowings outstanding and our larger investment portfolio, respectively. Additionally, Part 1 incentive fees and professional fees were both modestly higher on a sequential basis. For the quarter, OCSL reported adjusted net investment income of $21,100,000 up slightly from $19,600,000 in the December quarter.

Adjusted NII was $0.14 per share for both quarters. During the Q2, OCSL accrued a total of $3,600,000 in Part 2 incentive fees. This amount was mostly due to $37,000,000 in net realized and unrealized gains in the portfolio during the quarter, excluding the one time unrealized gain of $33,400,000 due to the merger accounting. As a reminder, while GAAP requires us to take unrealized gains into account When accruing Part II incentive fee expense each quarter, OCSL will only pay Part II incentive fees annually and to the extent that it has realized gains that exceed realized and unrealized losses at OCSL's September 30 fiscal year end. To date, we have accrued $13,100,000 of Part 2 incentive fees under GAAP.

However, If Part 2 incentive fees were hypothetically calculated as of March 31, 2021, under the investment advisory agreement, The amount payable would have been $3,100,000 Turning to credit quality, which continues to be very strong. At quarter end, we had no new no investments on non accrual. This is down from one investment in the prior quarter, which represented 3 basis points of the total portfolio at fair value. During the quarter, all of our portfolio companies made their scheduled interest payments And only 2 companies have converted their cash interest payments to PIK since the onset of the pandemic. Moving to the balance sheet.

During the quarter, we funded $302,000,000 of investments and received $229,000,000 in payoffs and exits. Our net leverage ratio increased to 0.84 times from 0.70x at December 31, reflecting the larger portfolio. Net leverage is Still at the low end of our target range of 0.85 to 1.0 times. As of March 31, total debt outstanding was was $1,100,000,000 and had a weighted average interest rate of 2.6%. Unsecured debt represented 27% of total debt at quarter end.

At March 31, we had total liquidity of approximately 365,000,000 including $40,000,000 of cash and $325,000,000 of undrawn capacity on our credit facilities. Unfunded commitments were $257,000,000 with approximately $192,000,000 of this amount eligible to be drawn immediately, as remaining amount is subject to certain milestones that must be met by portfolio companies. As Matt noted, Subsequent to quarter end, we amended and extended our syndicated credit facility, increasing its size to $950,000,000 and extending the maturity by 2 years to 2026. We also achieved favorable turns, removing the pricing grid while maintaining the rate at LIBOR plus 2%. In addition, we retired a higher cost SBV facility that we inherited from OCSI.

Shifting now to the joint ventures. As of March 31, the Kemper joint venture had $352,000,000 of assets invested in senior secured loans to 57 companies. This compared to $341,000,000 of total assets invested in 56 companies last quarter. Assets increased quarter over quarter, mainly due to the increase in the market value of its investments and net portfolio growth as purchases exceeded sales and repayments. As a result of the underlying portfolio depreciation, OCSL's investment in the JV were written up by $5,000,000 or 4% from the prior quarter.

Leverage at the JV was 1.3x@quarterend, up slightly from 1.2x in the December quarter. Given the strong balance sheet and earnings power at the Kemper JV, we anticipate that we will begin to receive quarterly dividends starting next quarter. Regarding the Glick joint venture, it had $137,000,000 of assets at March 31. These consisted of senior secured loans to 36 companies. Leverage at the JV was 1.2x at March 31.

OCSL's subordinated note in the Glick joint venture totaling $55,000,000 is current And we expect to receive ongoing payments consisting of coupon interest and principal repayments of 1,300,000 quarter on a run rate basis going forward. Now, I will turn the call back to Matt.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mel. Over the last three quarters, we have generated an improved return on equity compared to prior year quarters, which is evidence that our efforts in this area are paying off. Operating results have been strong, following our robust origination activity and credit quality continues to be The defensive repositioning that we have carried out since 2017 has largely been completed and our pipeline of potential transactions remains solid. As a result of the strong performance, we have increased the dividend from $0.095 to $0.13 per share in the past year. That said, We continue to believe that OCSL is well positioned to grow ROE further from here.

1st, we remain focused on positioning Folio for an improved yield by rotating out of lower yielding investments and into higher yielding proprietary loans. We continue to make good progress here in the 2nd quarter, exiting $49,000,000 of these types of investments. As of quarter end, $163,000,000 of senior secured loans priced atorbelow LIBOR plus 4.5% remained in the portfolio, including approximately $102,000,000 of loans that we acquired in the OCSI merger. Our new investments during the quarter came in at an average yield of 8.2%, So there is continued upside to be realized over time. Another opportunity for us to increase ROE is by deploying more leverage at the portfolio level.

As of March 31, we are operating just below the low end of our long term target of 0.85 to 1 0.0x. So we would expect to continue to enhance returns as we make incremental investments and deploy higher leverage. However, we will only grow the portfolio as we find opportunities that are consistent with our investment approach that we believe offer an attractive risk reward. We also have the opportunity to further optimize both of our joint ventures. We can accomplish this by not only judiciously increasing leverage of the JVs, but also by rotating out of lower yielding investments into higher yielding ones.

We believe that disciplined growth of the JVs will also be accretive to ROE over time. Finally, we expect to realize synergies from our recent merger with OCSI, which we anticipate will benefit our ROE going forward. These include approximately $2,000,000 of annual expense savings and the waiver of $750,000 per quarter in management fees for 8 quarters. Further, as I mentioned earlier, we are working on streamlining our capital structure to reduce our overall cost of capital, while enhancing our funding flexibility. In conclusion, we are very pleased with our strong second quarter results.

We are happy to have completed the seamless merger with OCSI as we have achieved further scale, portfolio diversity and expected earnings accretion. We are excited about our future and remain optimistic that we will continue to identify new attractive risk adjusted investment opportunities, which will allow us to deliver improved returns to our shareholders. Thank you for joining us on today's call and for your continued interest in OCSL. With that, we're happy to take your questions. Operator, please open the lines.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question will come from Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just to start off here Got a bigger kind of market question. I heard the commentary at the end of the call just around Where valuations are and maybe how optimistic the implied outlook is. And so always appreciate hearing your And if possible, just good to get some differentiation between You're seeing on the sponsor side versus the non sponsor side, if there is any?

And then just where kind of some of those more attractive These are today, just given kind of that backdrop you started with?

Speaker 4

Thanks for the question, Devin. This is Armin. So I've mentioned this on prior calls, but when we look at the opportunity set, we look at fundamentals, technicals and valuation. So when we look at the fundamentals, I would say sequentially, we've had 3 quarters of improved performance in most businesses In the U. S.

And globally, quarter over quarter. A lot of companies in the energy space even have had really solid performance in the last couple of quarters Rising oil prices. So the fundamentals, I would say, are trending in the right direction, but not yet reflective of a complete recovery from the pandemic. One of the issues Still holding back the fundamentals is a it's actually 2 issues. 1 is, a labor shortage, especially at skilled labor in the United States.

And then the second is there have been supply chain disruptions over the last few quarters. And so getting certain types of products has been a little bit of a challenge, to some businesses. We see it especially in luxury products. We see it in chips. There's been a lot of talk about a global chip shortage.

So the fundamentals are certainly heading in the right direction, but still not to post pandemic levels. In terms of valuation, with the tremendous amount of stimulus that's been pumped into the economy, Valuations have gotten really high, generally. And so there was a little bit of a pullback A couple of months ago in valuations of some of the higher flying tech Companies on the stock exchange really commensurate with a rising interest rate environment. The 10 year treasury touched Just above 1.7% and it's come back down. But that little moment there, it was a little bit of a sign Potential times to come where the conditions that we're seeing in the economy today could give rise to inflation, could give rise to Higher interest rates, and therefore, our expectation would be that very high multiple valuation companies and stocks We'll potentially have some downside if we do see that rising rate environment play through on the heels of what's likely to be at least a transitory inflationary backdrop.

So we are very cautious about valuations. I think a lot of private equity firms are also cautious about valuations. And we are seeing some deal flow on the LBO side for sure, but I think folks are kind of Wondering, what happens with valuations if the rising rate environment does kick in. In terms of technicals, there is a lot of Capital out there, both on in the public markets as well as the private debt markets. And we are seeing the impact of that capital In terms of the recent deal flow that's been making it into the market, recent as in definitely in 2021, not prior to that.

And I would say that generally speaking, legal and economic terms have deteriorated over the last couple of Months, because there are several managers out there that have raised very large funds that are looking for deals And the most kind of consistent way of sourcing that deal flow is through the LBO sponsor back market And by providing large solutions, large loans in support of those LBOs at terms That are tighter and more flexible from a legal perspective than they were even pre pandemic. So We are very cautious about the quality of the deal flow we're seeing on the LDO sponsor side. And we are participating in it, but I would say That we are finding better opportunity on the non sponsor side these days. As I've said on prior calls, it's very hard to predict the timing of our non sponsor deal activity. But our pipeline today is largely composed of non sponsor deals, Really leveraging the Oaktree platform and some of the off the center of the fairway type of deal flow that we see as an institution.

So it will be balanced going forward. We will try to find some good LBO opportunities as well. But I would say that the trend in terms of legal and economic terms on that side of our origination is heading Or has had towards a less attractive position.

Speaker 6

Okay. Great color on it. Thank you very much. As a follow-up, the remaining $164,000,000 of non core investments in the portfolio, I'd imagine those are primarily Less liquid, at this point in the liquid positions were sold off leading into, or following the merger. I just want to make sure That's a fair assessment.

And then whether there's any transparency kind of into a timeline for rotation there?

Speaker 4

Yes, I think your statement is correct. They are less liquid. It's challenging to determine the timing of an exit, but you Should know that we are very focused on exiting those positions. I think the good news is with the recovery in the economy, those positions are Their valuations have improved since the bottom. So we would hope and expect that we will see some Resolution over the coming quarters, but it's I wouldn't be able to provide forward looking guidance on what that could look like.

Speaker 3

Yes. And Devin, it's Matt. What Our strategy with the non core from the beginning was rather than to do kind of a large portfolio sale at a relatively low price We'll keep situation independently and try to maximize value, which I think we've done a good job of. And we'll continue to do that. To Armin's point, Every day, every quarter, we're exiting working on exiting investments, we're exiting the non core investments.

And so that's been good. Some of the investments have been rolled up materially last quarter given the performance of the companies. So we're focused on it every day. To Jarrod's point, it's tough to pick a timeline, but it is something where We want to keep making progress towards every quarter.

Speaker 6

Yes. Okay. Well, appreciate the color and I'll leave it there. Thanks guys.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question will be from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. Congrats on a good quarter and getting the merger across the finish line. Yes. Repayments are obviously difficult to predict, but just can you give us a sense given you talked about a hot market and Just your expectations for repayments this year versus maybe last as a benchmark?

Speaker 4

Yes. Kyle, it's a good question, but It requires a little bit of a crystal ball. We haven't been hit with a lot of repayments, but We expect that, just given the nature of some of our origination that some of our portfolio companies Our good SPAC candidates, some of our portfolio companies are good refi candidates on the LBO side. So I wouldn't be surprised if We see elevated repayments, this calendar year versus last year, but I wouldn't be able to dimensionalize The size of that unfortunately.

Speaker 7

Got it. Fair enough. And then obviously your credit has been very strong looking at your NPAs, but just in terms of the underlying portfolio performance, can you give us a sense for Whether it's revenue or EBITDA growth in the Q1 and how that compared to the Q4 and kind of the outlook Here, as we have lapped some of the more difficult comps and kind of given that what your expectations are for credit for the remainder of the year?

Speaker 4

Sure. So I would say that in the 3rd Q4 of last year, I'm talking calendar quarter last year, Most companies had revenues down 5% to 25%. And I'm saying just broad economically, and I think our portfolio was in that range as well. However, I think very good managers A very strong businesses took out a lot of cost during that timeframe as well. And we're able to Run with a cash flow generation profile that resulted in them not having any sort of issues around restructurings.

So it was more of a cost containment story in the back half of last year. In the first quarter, I think that cost containment story has Continue to play through in that they have not and that costs are still pretty low. They haven't It seems to have taken out additional cost in the Q1, but the revenue line has certainly picked up sequentially. So when you compare 1st quarter first Calendar quarter revenues this year versus 3rd or 4th quarter last year, it's higher. It's higher probably by Yes, I'm ballparking 4% to 10%, 4% to 8% in that range.

And so if you combine that type of revenue growth With pretty good cost containment, you're seeing nice EBITDA growth as well on a sequential basis. On a year over year basis, I would say most businesses At best are flat, 1st calendar quarter 2021 to 1st calendar quarter 2020. But Most of them, frankly, are still down from where they were pre pandemic. So it's an important distinction because Valuation multiples of companies, terms on new loans are all at pre pandemic types. Meanwhile, the performance of businesses is not quite where it was pre pandemic.

Is that helpful?

Speaker 7

Very helpful. That's great color. Thanks very much for answering my questions.

Speaker 4

No problem. Thanks, Kyle.

Speaker 1

And the next question will be from Bryce Rowe with Hovde Group. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask about kind of the comments around The cautious optimism from an outlook perspective and how you think about Where you want to be in terms of your balance sheet leverage target on the low end, Middle part of it or towards the higher end of that balance sheet leverage target, given the outlook?

Speaker 4

Thanks for the question, Bryce. So going into March of last year, we were running At or below our leverage target and that really allowed us to get pretty opportunistic in our investments with rescue loans, With public market trading activities in a variety of different asset classes, and that was really because we were entering that period Feeling that terms and conditions in the private credit markets broadly were just not as attractive as we would like them to be. We're still finding pretty attractive investments in the private credit markets right now, especially the non sponsor space. But I would In fact, given our tone of cautious optimism, we'll be in the probably closer to the low end of our target range, Barring any sort of surprises to the upside in terms of non sponsor deal flow that we may be able to find that we think is Mispriced risk. So we're always looking for those types of idiosyncratic opportunities.

They could present themselves Even when the markets are pretty strong, and some of the harder to understand or harder to underwrite businesses, we do still see a lot of deal flow in our life And some of the other areas that are outside of the LBO sponsor activity area. So If we did see some surprises to the upside on our origination on the non sponsor side, I could see us trending towards the middle part of our range. I don't think that we'll be on the high end of our range in the next couple of months. It's hard to predict beyond What I see in our pipeline today though?

Speaker 3

Yes, this is Matt. Just to Sure. I have one's benefit. Our target range is 0.85 to 1, and that's we're still very comfortable with that range.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Let's see. I wanted to ask about the Liability structure, the capital structure, obviously, it's been a point of emphasis over the Last couple of quarters with the pending transaction with OCSI, now that that's done, obviously, you're making some Progress in having remixed some of the liability structure already, Just kind of curious how you're thinking about the one remaining SPV there now and How you might try to take advantage further take advantage of what we're seeing in the unsecured debt markets right now?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bryce. It's Matt. I appreciate the question. So as you referenced, we like and had a very Balanced capital structure, and also you referenced, we amended and extended our revolving credit facility And got a very, very positive reception from both our existing banks as well as new banks. We're able to do some Important and attractive things on the pricing and the borrowing base, etcetera.

So that was one piece of it. And then as you referenced, we retired one of our SED facilities that was very expensive at LIBOR plus 265 versus our revolving facility, which is LIBOR plus 200. The existing FEE facility, We still have in place that's much more attractively priced than the DB facility that we repaid. So we like that and plan to keep that. And then, Janet, to your point, we continue to be thoughtful about our capital structure.

A year plus ago, we did a very successful unsecured bond deal. So that's obviously an option that we consider going forward. But Yes. I think we made good progress to date and we'll keep being thoughtful about it and be in a position Like we were a year ago to take advantage of any opportunities in the market to invest attractively.

Speaker 8

Thanks for that, Matt. And maybe one more for Mel. Mel, you mentioned the Kemper JV possibly paying a dividend here in the I guess your 3rd fiscal quarter, any guidance around what that dividend might look like?

Speaker 4

Can't give you guidance on the amount of the dividend at this time.

Speaker 5

We're going to monitor it over the next quarter and consult with our partner there. So more to come on that.

Speaker 8

Okay, fair enough. Thank you all.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And the next question is from Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wondered how do you guys kind of balance your guys' target of increasing your return on Would you talk about kind of increasing leverage levels is one of the main components of that with sort of the cautious The more cautious outlook for deploying capital because it just seems to me if you guys aren't super excited about the sponsor lending environment, that's certainly, environment that certainly restricts the level of deals you guys are going to be putting on your books. And then you guys also have the other goals of divesting some of the lower yielding investments, Actually, some of the non core investments plus the general market just has a lot of strength in the BSL market That's going to provide, I think, a lot of and it probably already has, had some refinancing risks out there that could I have some portfolio repayments.

So how are you balancing that of wanting to add on additional leverage to increase the ROE, but it sounds like there could be at least from everything that I've heard, it sounds like it may be tough to actually They add net net growth over the coming quarters.

Speaker 4

Yes. It's a good question, Ryan. This is Arvind. So we have a variety of levers we could pull to help drive ROE. We do have part of our portfolio in low yielding assets that are publicly traded that are a source of cash.

A portion of the OCSI portfolio that was merged into OCSL It's such a source. So that's one area where if we just rotated from the lower yielding The lower yielding nature of some of those assets into even just average yielding LBO and non sponsor deal flow that we're seeing, That will be accretive to the ROE without even increasing leverage. There is the leverage opportunity and to increase leverage, what I would just say is, for us to What I would just say is for us to drive up leverage to the top end of our target or even through the top end of our target To do LBO deals specifically, 1st lien LBOs now are pricing at LIBOR plus 4.75 to 500 in the middle market, These are the more traditional first lien, pretty low levered. For us, that's not an optimal use Of increasing leverage, we'd rather increase leverage in connection with originating 8%, 9%, 10% Type of paper in the non sponsor area. And we talked about this in the past, but just being part of Oaktree, we do see a lot of Deal flow that traditional sponsor chasing managers typically don't see or don't spend the time to try to originate.

And that's where we are able to drive some incremental growth in ROE through The return for what we assess as being lower risk than other situations. NN Incorporated is a good example of a deal that we did In the quarter, I mean, this is a public company. We the investment came actually through our special situations group initially that was Potentially discussing a junior equity or debt solution for the company, it changed into a senior solution for us With less than 3 turns of leverage and a requirement that the company go and raise a preferred equity beneath us. We got paid a nice return that was wide of LBO sponsor loans, If the company was under 3 turns of leverage, in a sponsor deal that would be LIBOR plus 4.50 or to 500. And we were paid close to LIBOR plus 700 with OID and fees.

So that's kind of a long way of saying that We just have to get more creative on the origination side rather than relying on Yes, the private credit market delivering us the beta of the market. We really are looking for alpha opportunities. We're finding alpha opportunities. In 2020, when the economy was in disarray, we were able to find a lot in the rescue lending area. And we were and even though that particular opportunity has waned on a broad basis in terms of across industries, It is still there in pockets and it could be in the energy space, it could be in other areas that we're still seeing some Pretty nice deal flow or potential deal flow.

In the situational lending area, these are companies that are hard to understand, hard to underwrite. We're seeing a fair bit of deal flow there and they don't fit nicely And the underwriting standards of other managers because there isn't fresh equity capital coming in or there isn't a clean sort of debt to EBITDA story. But as a result, we're able to get very tight legal terms and wide economic terms. So we're spending a lot of our time on the sides of the fairway rather In the center of the fairway, and we're finding the ability to still continue to net net Originate on a positive basis. So rather than contracting the portfolio, we're still expanding.

And the 1st calendar quarter this year, you saw that We did expand the portfolio, even though a lot of the competitive dynamics that I had mentioned earlier We're still in play this quarter. So it's really being part of Oaktree that is the competitive advantage For us, and we'll continue to utilize that competitive advantage to drive ROE higher without having to simply rely on higher leverage to deliver that ROE. Just one last point before I get off my soapbox. Last year, higher levered or higher leverage proved to be a disadvantage, because as that as the economy kind of tumbled, leverage providers did pull back and we did see Folks have to issue equity at discounts to NAV, and we saw a lot of managers, whether BDC or non BDC, Pull back from the market because they were unsure about what sort of issues they were going to have in their portfolio with their leverage providers, etcetera. And we didn't.

We were extremely active in trading, extremely active in originations. And we think we could strike a balance between And that next dislocation to still be to still go on the offensive when that happens as well.

Speaker 3

Ryan, Matt, just picking up on that last point and we'd agree with you that I did try to get to your comments. It is hard. It's hard to originate, but that's okay. And one of the things that I think has happened and Arvind hit it a little bit in the last comment, but going into pandemic, post pandemic, We were very, very active during the pandemic across Oaktree and particularly in OCSL. And I think that's really helped increase Our market share, our mind share, our kind of conversations, both sponsor and non sponsor, and it's definitely Great.

A tailwind in terms of just our presence in the marketplace and direct lending. And I think that's really helped us And we'll continue to.

Speaker 4

Yes. And just to be clear, this is Armin again. Just to be clear, on the LBO side, we will do some LBO deals This year, next quarter, the following quarter. So don't get me wrong. What I would like to point out though is that our hit rate will be lower.

We will see a lot more deals, and our look to book will be just lower. And that's okay, and we're going to Phil, what we don't do on the LBO side with what we are able to find on the non sponsor side.

Speaker 9

Got you. That's really helpful color and really good commentary on how you guys are thinking about the space. And I can certainly appreciate and I think investors should also appreciate that you all are looking to be direct lenders that are generating trying to generate alpha So versus just being asset gatherers, I think that's a really wise approach. That's all I had today. So I appreciate the time this morning.

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Melissa Wedel with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions today. One of the things that jumped out in going through your slide deck was the number of new companies that you allocated capital to During the March quarter, what stood out about that is that we seem to be hearing from a lot of teams that there is increased confidence Or increased comfort in deploying capital to existing portfolio companies, companies that you've been working with already and you can see Growing out of the environment. I'm curious if there's anything in particular that drove this High allocation to 18 new companies in the portfolio. And is that indicative of sort of a return to normal on your Due diligence process for a new company.

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for the question, Melissa. There wasn't any sort of macro theme oriented influence on our origination in the quarter. We just frankly saw a lot of deal flow In a variety of different areas that we were able to structure appropriately. We did do some LBO Sponsored deals in the quarter for sure, but we also were very active tapping the Oaktree platform for a lot of other deals that were Proprietary in nature, still or situations that we were negotiating in the 4th quarter that Funded in the Q1, so still suffering from a little bit of dislocation in some of the traditional lending areas That ordinarily would have supported that type of issuance.

We did do some real estate deals, for example, In the last couple of quarters that were very well structured, very well priced, Really because the dislocation in the real estate market went a little bit longer than the dislocation in the corporate credit markets. So it wasn't our origination wasn't really with a macro view to sort of chase recovery. It was that we were able to find well structured, well priced deals and Not really in tremendously cyclical businesses either. So we feel really good about what it is, but Oaktree generally and Certainly, OCSL is a bottoms up fundamental credit by credit analytical shop. It is we don't really take a Macro view on really anything we do.

We don't really predict macro and we certainly don't have the macro drive our risk taking. We certainly acknowledge what the macro environment is and feed that into our underwriting to assess the risks. But we don't say, hey, the sun is shining, let's make hay and let's just go Originate as broadly and as actively as we can because you really can't lose money in this environment. That to us is a recipe for disaster.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And the next question is from Jordan Louthan with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey guys, it's Fin O'Shea on for Jordan this afternoon. Thanks for having me on. I just want to try to squeeze a little bit more out of the leverage topic, which was extensive and helpful. Can you just putting that all together, I'm summarizing it as your Comparatively low leverage target is a function of the ability to find Quality deals, even with even those deals being higher spread, And that juxtaposes a bit versus the space, which most of your peers will lower leverage when in higher yielding arenas and raise leverage and lower yielding strategies. So it does I guess, first part to the question, it does sound a bit quite a bit different for you And your approach, is that fair to say that your target is a function of the dearth of attractive non sponsor and specialty deals and so forth?

Speaker 4

Yes. I wouldn't say it's a dearth of opportunity, but it's certainly harder to Find in a predictable and consistent way the non sponsor deal flow versus sponsor deal flow. I mean for I equate the thinking around originating in the sponsor area to what an insurance underwriter does. When an insurance company says, I want I want to have more premium under management in the business. They loosen their underwriting terms and they accept more and they're able to turn it on and turn it off With pretty controllable regularity, and it's that's a little bit of an analogy So the sponsor business, it's we see a lot of deal flow on the sponsor side and we could easily turn it up and we could easily turn up leverage and have The leverage manufacture the returns, but it also creates an additional area of risk.

And We don't think it's prudent at all times to dial up return when it's hard to When you have to work harder to find deals, it doesn't mean that you could just resort to just dialing up leverage and making the leverage work for you. I think we will be Within our target of our leverage target, I do think that we have a lot of Deals in our non sponsor pipeline, that will show the power of the Oaktree platform over the coming quarters. I think we've already shown the power of the Oaktree platform over the last few quarters. So yes, I mean, I think that if we were a more traditional Manager that was only doing leverage buyout activity and was maximizing leverage as a result and more focused on Accumulating market share in the Elvio area, yes, we would run leverage higher than we run today. It's because we do non sponsor deals, Which are harder to time, but higher yielding and more attractive from a legal perspective that we run leverage lower.

Speaker 8

Yes.

Speaker 10

So totally understood. And I think your dialogue with Ryan suggested That you're working to grow that funnel. I don't know if it's more Create more access to non sponsor or go wider and do things like Life Sciences and Real Estate, as you mentioned with others. But regardless, like that should be One would think that that's all becoming more difficult as well with the growth of private markets and The institutionalization and maturation and so forth, I at least would imagine that these deals are becoming more and more shopped And more and more competed on. So, waiting For it to come back to you to grow the book to an improved ROE Seems like at least a plan that would require a lot of patience.

So would you say are you being Are patients to see more of those deals or is there sort of an active game plan to find attractive arenas that would compel you to grow into a normal, let's say, 1 20 debt to equity ratio?

Speaker 4

Well, we have an active game plan to originate Deal flow. We're definitely not waiting around for somebody to throw something over the transom to us. So but I hope that's not the deduction that anybody receives from any of my commentary. I mean, the Yes, it is hard to find the deal flow. I wouldn't say that it's getting more competitive actually, just because these are Harder to understand situation.

We don't find ourselves getting a term sheet from an intermediary saying, hey, will you hit this on this non sponsor deal? It's literally company sponsor, family office, management team coming to us and saying, hey, I We need a strategic partner to help me grow. I'm in a transitional period in my company. I need someone that's going to take the time to understand How to or what I need and to structure something that works in size. And we find that It isn't a highly competitive market there, but it takes time.

It takes time. It takes people who are on the ground Originating, it takes time of people around Oaktree, across all strategies at Oaktree, saying No, this isn't a good fit here, but it might be a good fit over in another area of the firm that I work in. So we benefit from having Many more people than what is kind of on the page helping us originate in this nontraditional area. So it's not a it is not a passive activity for us. It is not a wait and see what advisors throw our way.

We're finding a lot of deal flow and we are actually also leveraging the Brookfield relationship as well to drive some deal flow That is proprietary. So will we get to 1.2x or above our range? It's possible. But I think we're focusing on walking before we run. I mean, we have lower yielding assets that we could sell.

We have non core assets that we're looking to exit. We have a lot of room between the 0.84 turns of leverage we're at right now versus north of 1 to 1 to get through before we talk about going through our leverage target. So I don't know if I'm answering your question or not, but it's a blocking and tackling Exercised every quarter, and we have a lot of folks in place Constantly looking for deal flow and we're able to originate in tough environments.

Speaker 3

And I do think If you go to pages 56 in our investor deck, I think we do lay out some good data In terms of originations, both by quarter and then from the leasing quarter to the month. So you can see for The current quarter, which is a very competitive environment, where we originated on the private side 245, the public side 63 and then the secondary 10. And the quarter before that, those numbers 181,000,000,000 84,000,000 So I think that gives you a good sense of quarter by quarter, month by month, and with the most recent month results in We are finding attractive things to invest in. It's but we're going to be thoughtful and prudent and You're going to do all the things that leveraging the kind of Oaktree platform, our market share, mind share gains over the last year to do that.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Michael Mosticchio for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks, Chad, and Thank you all for joining us on today's earnings conference call. A replay of this call will be available for 30 days on OCSL's website in the Investors section or by dialing 877-344-7529 for U. S. Callers or 1-four twelve 3,170,088 for non U.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, sir. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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