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Earnings Call: Q2 2015

Jul 30, 2015

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the second quarter 2015 conference call for Old Dominion Freight Line. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay beginning today and through August 14th by dialing 719-457-0820. The replay passcode is 7835868. The replay may also be accessed through August 14th at the company's website. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements, among others, regarding Old Dominion's expected financial and operating performance. For this purpose, any statements made during this call that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Without limiting the foregoing, the words believes, anticipates, plans, expects, and some similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

You are hereby cautioned that these statements may be affected by the important factors, among others, set forth in Old Dominion's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in this morning's news release. Consequently, actual operations and results may differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statement. The company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. As a final note before we begin, we welcome your questions today, ask, in fairness to all, that you limit yourself to just a couple of questions at a time before returning to the queue. Thank you for your cooperation. At this time, for opening remarks, I'd like to turn the conference over to the company's Vice Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. David Congdon. Please go ahead, sir.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Morning, and thanks for joining us today for our second quarter conference call. With me this morning is Wes Fry, our CFO, and Adam Satterfield, our Vice President and Treasurer. After some brief remarks, we'll be glad to take your questions. Old Dominion continued its record-setting pace during the second quarter of 2015, achieving our best quarterly results for revenue, operating ratio, and earnings per diluted share. We achieved these results despite reduced fuel surcharge revenue and a second consecutive quarter in which weight per shipment declined. Nevertheless, the growth in shipments and tons per day for the quarter increased our freight density, and a stable pricing environment supported a 5.3% increase in revenue per hundredweight, excluding fuel surcharge. A record operating ratio of 81.5 represents the fifth consecutive quarterly improvement in our OR of 100 basis points or better.

Our OR has now improved for 21 of the past 22 quarters. These consistent improvements in OR have also driven our double-digit growth in earnings per diluted share for the same 21 quarters, as evidenced by our 16.3% increase to $1 for our second quarter completed. Old Dominion continued to operate at a high level for the second quarter. Even with 13.4% growth in shipments for the quarter, we again provided an on-time delivery ratio of over 99% and a cargo claim ratio of just 0.33%. We also responded well to the increase in LTL shipments with relatively strong improvements in our productivity metrics for P&D shipments per hour and platform shipments per hour. While other productivity metrics, such as platform pounds per hour and line haul laden load average, were pressured by the 3.8% decrease in LTL weight per shipment.

To ensure capacity in a capacity-constrained industry, we are continuing our long-term strategy of differentiating Old Dominion through consistent and sizable investment in our infrastructure, equipment, and technology. We also continue to invest in the training and education of our Old Dominion family of employees to optimally leverage our capital investment. We continue to focus on price discipline to ensure an appropriate return on each account. As a result, we have created the strongest financial position that the company has ever experienced, which enables the investment required to sustain the service standards that set us apart in our industry. Many factors have contributed to Old Dominion's long-term performance, but the overriding key continues to be our successful delivery of on-time, claims-free service at a fair price.

Our performance record reflects the growing demand in the marketplace for this value proposition, and we believe that we stand alone in our ability to deliver the high service standards it requires. We expect our strong competitive market position to enable us to further increase our market share, earnings, and shareholder value. Thanks for joining us today and your interest in Old Dominion. Now Wes will review our results for the second quarter in greater detail.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you, David, and good morning. Old Dominion's revenue was $762.2 million for the second quarter, an increase of 8.4% from $703 million for the second quarter of 2014. Our operating ratio improved 100 basis points to an 81.5% for the second quarter, and earnings per diluted share grew 16.3% to $1 from $0.86 for the second quarter of last year. Our financial results were driven by a 1.2% increase in LTL tonnage for the quarter, comprised primarily of a 13.4% increase in LTL shipments, a 3.8% decrease in LTL weight per shipment. LTL revenue per hundredweight decreased 0.8%, 0.8 tenth of a percent for the quarter, and revenue per hundredweight excluding fuel surcharge increased 5.3%. Revenue per hundredweight was favorably affected by the decrease in weight per shipment while the length of haul was relatively flat.

On a monthly basis, LTL tonnage per day decreased sequentially by 1.1% for April, March increased 3.3% for May, and increased 1.6% for June. This performance compares with our 10-year average sequential month trends that show an increase of nine tenths of 1% for April, an increase of 4.2% for May, and an increase of 2.2% for June. On a comparable quarter basis, LTL tons per day increased 9.7% for April, 9.6% for May, and 7.8% for June. These sequential results were downly influenced by the reduction in the weight per shipment. Actually, the number of shipments for the quarter, number of shipments that is, was sequentially above the 10-year average trend.

Believe the decline in our weight per shipment for the second consecutive quarter reflects, among other things, the increased number of truckload shipments split into LTL shipments last year, as well as a reduced demand for customer products this year. In addition, we believe some customers are modifying their LTL shipping patterns to smaller, more frequent shipment, which is reflected in our higher shipment volume with reduced weight per shipment. Beginning this quarter, we will stop providing forward-quarter estimates of year-over-year tons per day and revenue per hundredweight, excluding fuel surcharge. Instead, we will provide a real-time estimate for the first month of the new quarter on the earnings call, as I will today for the prior quarter.

We will also publicly update this information with actual results for the second month of the quarter, which will be released early in the third month. We will report the full quarter results at the time of our normal release and call. Accordingly, with two workdays remaining in July, we expect LTL tons per day for July to increase approximately 8% versus 2014. Sequentially, this represents a 1% decrease in tons per day compared to June versus a 2.4% decrease for the 10-year average. Increased tons include a 13.6% increase in the number of shipments, offset by a 5% decrease in the weight per shipment. Sequential 10-year average in tons per day for August and September, as a note, is 0.6 tenth of 1% for August from July and 3.2% increase for September versus August.

We also expect revenue per hundredweight, excluding fuel surcharge, to increase approximately 4.7% for July. As a reminder, monthly year-over-year LTL tons per day increased during the third quarter of 2014 compared to 2013 by 18.8% for July, 19% for August, 18% for September. Much tougher comparison. Third quarter of 2015 has the same number of working days as the third quarter of 2014. 100 basis point improvement in Old Dominion's operating ratio primarily reflected our increased freight density, stronger yield, and some improvements in productivity. The decline in fuel prices resulted in a 340 basis point reduction in operating supplies and expense. The decline in fuel prices also decreased our fuel surcharge revenue.

As we saw last quarter, other expenses expressed as a percent of revenue were higher during the second quarter, which is partially attributable to the lower denominator due to the decline in fuel surcharge revenue. For example, salary and wages and benefits increased 240 basis points, despite some gains in productivity and improvements in certain employee benefit expenses. Capital expenditures for the second quarter of 2015 were $159.1 million. We estimate CapEx for the full year of 2015 will total approximately $469.3 million, including land expenditures of $164.7 million for real estate, $277.8 million for tractors and trailers and other equipment, and $26.8 million for technology and other assets. After anticipated asset sales, we expect total net CapEx of approximately $450 million, which we plan to fund primarily through operating cash flow as well as our available borrowing capacity if necessary.

During the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 407,000 shares of the company's common stock for $29.1 million under our previously authorized $200 million share repurchase program. Since the November 2014 announcement of our share repurchase program, we have purchased approximately 658,000 shares for $47.9 million. Effective tax rate for the second quarter of 2015 was 38.6% compared to 39% for the second quarter of 2014. At this point, we expect an effective tax rate of 38.6% for the third quarter of 2015. Operator, we'll be happy to open the floor for any questions at this time.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press the star key followed by the digit one on your touch tone telephone, also make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. If you find that your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, that is star two. To remove yourself is star two. If you'd like to ask a question, star one. We will take the first question of the day from Alexander Vecchio with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Alexander Vecchio
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hey there. Wes, I just wanted to get a little bit more color on the rationale behind removing a quarterly guidance. It seems you guys have actually had a fairly good track record with respect to being reasonably close to what you've guided to. I just wanted to get a little bit more color there. Is there more uncertainty this quarter than there has been in the past, in terms of how trends might evolve going forward or is there anything to read into that?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

I think you said it. I think with the uncertainty in this economy that seems to go up and down, et cetera, we thought it would be better color just to give you actual numbers. At the same time, as I provided to you sequential trends over the 10-year average, which would help you forecast what the remaining quarter is. We thought it was more instructive to give maybe a little more detail than we do just on those two guidance, give you some additional statistics as we update the quarter for obviously July at this conference call, then August we'll submit an 8-K and update August.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

As well as the actual for July.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yes.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

As of today, we only have two days remaining.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. We'll tell you how July actually turned out.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

That's true. That's the rationale for us.

Alexander Vecchio
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. That makes sense. Secondly, you mentioned the decline in the weight per shipment seems to be at least partly a function of customers seeking to refine to smaller and more frequent shipments. Do you think this is a function of the macro, or what's driving that change, do you think, and what are the implications for your density and your ability to expand margins to the extent you have in the past? Is this a good thing, a bad thing, or neutral? Or how should we think about that change in customer behavior if it continues, if you think it will continue?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

I'll say that those three reasons that I gave were a little bit anecdotal, although we actually talked to some of our top 50 national accounts about what they were seeing and why the weight per shipment that they were seeing were less than they were last year. That was the three responses. The biggest overriding response, maybe 30%-40% of the responses were, in fact, that because of lack of truckload capacity last year, they were diverting some loads and splitting them down into LTL. Second reason, they just said the macro is our demand for our widgets are just a little bit less. The third one, they were citing the fact that we have just moved to a trend of more frequent shipments, but smaller. All of the things are, I guess you could call it indirectly and directly macro oriented.

Whether the smaller, more frequent shipments is a continuing trend, we'll just have to wait and see. It was the opposite back in 2009 when we saw larger, less frequent shipments combining. The fact that our number of shipments, and I know some of it's market share, but it's still, in our view, a pretty good sign on the economy that we're still seeing a lot of velocity of shipments. As far as the weight per shipment, when we gave guidance of the 9.5 to 10.5, we were seeing pretty good sequential trends into June, and then it just kind of fizzled out. The difference between the 9.1 that we reported and 9.5 really isn't that much based upon the thousands of shipments that we haul.

In fact, it's like a 20-pound difference, which is about the weight of a bag of cat litter. It sounds like it, but it really was close, and quite frankly, you expect June to build, and it just didn't build up to expectations this year. My commentary into July is our sequential is actually better than 10-year average, and our growth in shipments is still very strong.

Alexander Vecchio
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. Thanks very much for the time.

Operator

Next is Scott Group with Wolfe Research.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey, guys. Morning. Wes, just wanted to follow up on that last point. Looks like when the monthly sequentials in the second quarter were maybe a little bit worse than the sequential average in terms of most of the months, but July now better. What do you make of that? Is this a sign that the macro's starting to pick up a little bit again, or do you think it's just like, hey, it was an easy comp versus the second quarter. Just curious on your thoughts on why July now starting to feel better.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

It feels better, but not great. I think it's still too early to see if we had any, from our standpoint, any significant change in the macro.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. The weakness in the second quarter of volume trends per day was primarily related to the lower weight per shipment.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

As Wes also pointed out in his commentary, our actual shipments per day trended greater than our 10-year sequential. That's primarily the market share wins that we're having.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Just your thoughts on the pricing environment overall. There's concern out there when you see several of the carriers with negative tonnage that at some point, something's going to give, and the pricing environment's going to start to be a little less rational. What's your outlook for pricing back half of this year, early views on next year? Are you seeing anything out there that gets you worried about pricing momentum?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

The only worry we have is amnesia. Other carriers. Honestly, we haven't seen a reaction to the negative tonnage yet. Time will tell whether we will or won't. So far, it sounds like everyone is really focused on their yield management as they should be.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay, great. All right. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Next up is Christian Wetherbee with Citi.

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

Great. Thanks. Good morning, guys. Wes, could I trouble you to repeat the sequential trends for the third quarter? I just want to make sure I caught them now that you've changed sort of the structure here.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. Let me find it. The sequential trends for the second quarter?

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

For the third.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

The historical sequentials.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. The sequential trends for the third quarter on the 10-year average on tonnage would be July would be 2.4% reduction June. August is a 0.6% increase compared to July. September is a 3.2% increase from August.

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

Okay. That's very helpful. I appreciate you doing that. I guess when you think about sort of the weight per shipment and sort of what you're seeing there, I guess I wanted to sort of hone in a little bit on the 3PL business that you do. It's obviously a reasonably large piece of your business. Are there any differences between how you think about the growth in that business and what that may do to the weight per shipment relative to sort of what's coming from your core customers? Just want to get a sense of maybe how that kind of stacks up.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We treat our 3PLs from a profitability standpoint, and it's obvious from our results that we do, as we would any. We don't look at the 3PL on its own. We look at the customers underneath that 3PL, and we do the same pricing and analysis of their shipments that we would if it were direct. That's what we base our pricing on is to the individual customers underlying the 3PL business.

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

There's no meaningful mix difference relative to sort of your regular book of customers.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, most of those are on contracts, and we did see a lot of reduced weight per shipment among shippers within our 3PL group.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right.

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

Okay. That's helpful. That's sort of what I was wondering. I guess, sticking on sort of that topic, when you think about that market, you guys have been very successful there. Are you seeing any increased level of competition among some of the other asset-based guys pushing into that market or trying to compete from some of that business? Just kind of curious how the dynamics of that specific market looks.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We just don't have that visibility, Chris. We don't even know.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

No real change from the norm.

Christian Wetherbee
Analyst, Citi

Okay. Well, that's helpful. Thank you very much for the time, guys. I appreciate it.

Operator

We'll now go to Brad Delco with Stephens.

Brad Delco
Analyst, Stephens

Yeah. Good morning, gentlemen, and Wes, I think congrats on your upcoming retirement.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you.

Brad Delco
Analyst, Stephens

Wes, wanted to ask you maybe a broader question on the industry and whether or not you think the LTL industry as a whole, and David, this may be for you as well, is prepared for upcoming electronic logs in the truckload industry. I'm trying to figure out, do you think the LTL industry is prepared for tightening capacity using third-party line haul? Obviously, you guys would be in a unique position there. Just curious to, in your opinion, how that's going to play out for you going forward.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Okay. Brad, I'll try to answer all that. First of all, as far as we are concerned, we implemented on-board recorders and electronic logging almost 5 years ago. That's not going to be any major factor as far as we're concerned. As far as the truckload industry is concerned, most of the large truckload carriers already have the electronic logs. I think it's going to primarily affect the smaller LTL fleets where it may cause some capacity to come out from the smaller

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

fleets. Is the LTL industry, or are we in particular, prepared for tightened capacity, especially from a line haul standpoint? You mentioned line haul. We don't do any line haul with purchased transportation to speak of. We just occasionally for balance purposes, but it's a very small part of our line haul, we don't see that as a problem for us. Some other carriers who rely on purchased transportation line haul might see. You need to ask them what their plan is. It's not going to affect us.

Brad Delco
Analyst, Stephens

Yeah, that's exactly where I was going. My thought was you'd see purchased transportation costs go up for LTLs that rely on third-party line haul, because you do most of it yourself, or if not all of it yourself, you won't see that as a headwind, you may benefit from what happens with industry pricing in that event.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. I think that's probably a fair guess on your part.

Brad Delco
Analyst, Stephens

Okay. All right, guys, that's it for me. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Allison Landry with Credit Suisse is next.

Allison Landry
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Good morning. Sort of another question on pricing. Last quarter, you indicated that core price ex all of the noise from fuel and mix was about 5%. Was that tracking at a similar pace in the second quarter?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

That's talking about the mix and the.

Yeah. Allison, could you repeat the question? I was diverted doing something else.

Allison Landry
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Sure. During the first quarter, you had talked about a core pricing number, which exclusive of fuel and the impact from weight per shipment and length of haul, that that figure was about 5%. I was wondering if that was similar in the second quarter.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Adjusted for length of haul, maybe a little bit lower than the first quarter. On the other hand, in the first quarter, overall, we had the GRI on the tariff business, and that was lapped in the second quarter, so that would explain some of that reduction. I can say that pricing, just anecdotally feedback from our pricing people, we are successful in getting increased rates from our national accounts anywhere from 3% to 5%. That's on very fairly consistent basis.

Allison Landry
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. On the productivity side, I know that you were expecting some incremental improvement on several metrics. Maybe if you could run through some of those in the quarter, that would be helpful. Thanks.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We got good productivity increases, if you look at productivity in David's comments in shipments per hour and in platform per hour. With a large increase in the number of shipments that we had, 13.4%, typically that would result in more labor to move those as opposed to a shipment that's heavier. In our case, it was a positive because what we saw was a lot of those increased shipments were from an increased number of multiple shippers. In other words, that was shippers that we picked up multiple shipments from. In fact, we had 6% increase in the number of multiple shippers. Within those multiple shippers, we also had an increase in the number of shipments that they tendered to us by 7.5%. Those two things are getting leverage from a density standpoint on those increased number of shipments.

That's why we were seeing productivity in the shipments per hour, both on platform and dock. On the pounds per hours, David also mentioned, that was influenced by the fact that our weight per shipment was down 3.8%. The more telling, after all, we do haul shipments, not necessarily weight. That was a positive sign and helped us in the second quarter.

Allison Landry
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. That's helpful. Just as a quick follow-up, was there, in terms of the trends that you just mentioned with increase in the number of shippers, and the shipments that they're moving, is there any specific end market that you saw more or less of this in? Like, for example, retail versus manufacturing?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Not really, Allison. It's pretty much across the board, where we're seeing this growth in multiple shippers.

Allison Landry
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Great. Thank you.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Okay.

Operator

We'll go to Robert Salmon with Deutsche Bank.

Robert Salmon
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, thanks. As a follow-up to Allison's question, could you give a little bit more color in terms of the multiple shipments that you're picking up? Are these going to different warehouses or different distribution centers across the country? Or is it just multiple shipments to the same store? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of this mix that's going on between tonnage and shipments that's bifurcated.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, multiple shipment shippers are usually shipping out of a distribution center going to their end customer. We also track and look at multiple shipment consignees, and how many shipments we deliver to a multiple shipment consignee. We're seeing some growth in those areas as well. It's more pronounced on the shipper side.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Which is a clear indication to us of winning additional market share.

Robert Salmon
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Typically when we think about that growth in terms of shipments, it's a positive for the economy, yet the kind of feedback from customers is it's a little bit more macro. What do you think is going on with the shift to the breakdown in terms of the smaller shipment size? Is there something we should be reading more broadly in terms of from a supply chain standpoint or from a macro with regard to this trend?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, to be honest, we don't really know why it's happening, the anecdotal feedback has not given us much to go on there. Is there more demand for just-in-time, or are people ordering smaller shipments more frequently to keep their own inventory levels down? There may be some correlation with average inventory levels out there in the macro, we haven't tried to draw that correlation. That thought comes to my mind.

Robert Salmon
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

That makes sense. Wes, as a piece of clarification, were the shipment trends rough in terms of year-over-year growth rates roughly constant throughout the quarter? You had indicated, I think they were up north of 13% in July. I was just curious if that trend was sequentially.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

They were. In April, it was up 13.4%, 13.6% in May, and 13.2% in June.

Robert Salmon
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Perfect. Thanks so much, guys.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Welcome.

Operator

Next up is David Ross with Stifel. Please go ahead.

David Ross
Analyst, Stifel

Yes, good morning, gentlemen.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Good morning, David. Morning.

David Ross
Analyst, Stifel

As you continue to grow and add personnel to handle the increased shipment volume, are you seeing any pinches in terms of driver availability or any driver wage pressure that could cause rates to go up more than average this year?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We've been pretty successful finding drivers. We've got some tight markets, David. In general, we've been able to fill the positions that we've had. From a wage standpoint, we're not seeing any pressure that our wages are out of line. Actually, they're pretty much up at the pretty close to the top of the industry, most everywhere that we operate. No real problems there.

David Ross
Analyst, Stifel

Just a little nit, Wes, the other expense line item on the income statement, what was driving that, and is that more of a one-time issue rather than anything that should be-

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Not necessarily. In that number is bad debts and consulting fees. We were in our modernization and in converting to the Oracle data platforms, at the startup, especially during last year, we were using some consultants. Some of that was going through that line, and as that rolls out, those are not less, but start to get capitalized as you start to develop. That's probably one of the big reasons of that reduction.

David Ross
Analyst, Stifel

Okay, that should maybe continue at a few hundred thousand a quarter for the next few quarters as you roll this out?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right.

David Ross
Analyst, Stifel

Okay. Thank you.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Welcome.

Operator

We'll go to Tom Kim with Goldman Sachs.

Tom Kim
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good morning, thanks for your time. I wanted to ask, where's your market share today? It doesn't seem like there's anything that's going to really impede your share growth, but I'm wondering what are some of the risks that we should be mindful of?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

It depends whose denominator you use for the market share. If you use an ATA number that's up in the $45 billion-$50 billion category, we're at 7% of that. If you use some of the other databases and maybe a $37 million market, where are we there, Wes? About 8.5%?

Adam Satterfield
VP and Treasurer, Old Dominion Freight Line

About 8%, yeah.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

I didn't quite understand the question.

Tom Kim
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. What I was basically driving at is that I know that you're aiming to hit the double-digit share, and it doesn't look like there's anything that's going to impede that based on what we're hearing from your competitors. I'm just wondering, is there anything that we should be mindful of, or is the runway here really pretty straightforward?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We are delivering a really strong value proposition in the marketplace and a strong service value to the market, and the customers are recognizing this, and they are continuing to reward us with additional business and lanes and so forth. We're winning new customers as well because of the service value that we deliver. As long as we are perceived by the marketplace as delivering superior service value, we think that we can continue winning share.

Adam Satterfield
VP and Treasurer, Old Dominion Freight Line

The other component to that is making sure we've got the capacity to be able to grow into, and I think you've seen that we've made the significant investments to ensure that we've got the service center capacity as well as on the equipment side as well.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

That's a good point, Adam.

Tom Kim
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

No doubt. I mean, it's impressive that you guys continue to reinvest at such profitable rates of return. Just with regard to some of the comments around the weight per shipment shifts, is there really a material difference when we're talking about, let's say, for example, shifts between your B2C versus your B2B customers?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

No, not really. Just keep in mind on the weight per shipment, when you take 2015 weight per shipment and compare that to 2013, it's kind of in line. We just had an unusual last year with the splits of the truckload into LTL. That's not to say that won't happen again, because some of those capacity issues, I think, are still looming on the truckload market. It's not as if the weight per shipment this year is a trend forever. It's kind of in line with what was normal prior to that. We'll just see how that goes.

Tom Kim
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

We'll go to Todd Fowler with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Todd Fowler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. David, I know you've been asked this when you guys were at an 84 OR, 83 OR, 82 OR, but can you talk a little bit about now being in an 81 OR, your confidence in continuing to be able to show margin expansion? If I think about your longer-term incremental guidance of 15%-20%, not all the freight coming into the network would be at an OR higher than where you're running here in the second quarter. Just some high-level thoughts on the ability to continue to expand the OR from where you're at right now.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Todd, I'm going to take part of that question, then David can jump in. Everyone focuses on incremental margin, we've given a range of 15%-20%, assuming that the macro is behaving, pricing is somewhat disciplined in the sector, we still have density improvements. I want to make a comment on all this focus on incremental margin. The incremental margin, in other words, mathematically, the less percent that you grow, the less improvement in OR it takes to get an incremental margin of, say, 30%. In other words, if you cut your growth in half, it takes half of the incremental improvement in OR to get that same OR incremental margin.

If someone reports an incremental margin of 30%, like we did in the second quarter, and our growth was 8%, if we grew it at 16%, it would take a 200 basis point improvement in OR to get that same incremental margin.

Going forward, you need to consider that. Therefore, as we get larger, the percent of growth may drop, it influences how much of that improve in OR that you get to get to that incremental margin. We still maintain 15%-20% given those three qualifications, and it's been stronger than that. Keep in mind, with those three things, more or less, we are confident we'll certainly get up to the 20%. Obviously, that implies an 80 OR. I think that's good. Of course, we're at 81.5 for the second quarter, which typically is that with a close second being the third quarter. We've still got the full year in how we look at that. Todd. Anything to add, David, on that?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

No, it's just all about density, all about yield discipline in the industry. To have a little help from the economy is good and continuously improve your efficiencies, which we do that as well.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We could maintain the 30 OR if we just reduce our growth to, say, 3% and improve our OR by a fifth of a basis point.

Todd Fowler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Well, I wasn't suggesting that. I appreciate the help in thinking through it. It was more along the lines of, in the environment that you're in, the things that you need to continue to show the margin improvement, and obviously it's a good problem to be comping up against. All that's helpful. The follow-up I wanted to ask, Wes, I'm not sure if you addressed this, thinking about the OR sequentially into the third quarter, I think historically it's gone up by about 50 basis points or so. What are the things we should be thinking about second quarter versus third quarter in 2015 that could make the OR change either greater or worse than what we've seen historically?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

The third quarter historically always includes a wage increase.

Just the normal sequential things. I think last year we had a 50 basis point increase in the OR in the third quarter compared to the second, but we had about a $3 million gain on real estate in the second quarter of 2014 that didn't repeat itself. You've got all these moving parts that can influence either quarter.

Todd Fowler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

I guess in 2015 specifically, you have the wage increase every year. Was there anything maybe in 2Q that was a fuel benefit or anything like that? I think you mentioned, too, one of the earlier questions about the operating expenses, but there's nothing, or is there anything else, I guess, that we should be thinking about third quarter from second quarter that would be dramatically different than what we've seen historically?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Not offhand.

Todd Fowler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks for the time this morning, guys.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go to John Barnes with RBC Capital Markets.

John Barnes
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, thank you guys for taking my question. First on, Wes, your comments around just the shift towards smaller but more frequent shipments and having to take a wait-and-see approach. From an operations and planning perspective, is there much you have to do? If this becomes a more consistent trend and you see this as kind of the new norm, what are the major changes you have to make in operations? Is it just the labor side, more personnel to handle the more shipment, the increase in shipments, or is there something else you have to do?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

John, I want to be clear. We got feedback from the shippers. That was one of the reasons, and that was the last of the three reasons that were cited. I don't want to give the impression that that's a clear trend that's going to apply materially. That was just one of the reasons. When I said wait and see, we'll have to see if that's, for some reason, will be a continuing trend, an increasing trend, or become just neutral. We'll just have to wait and see. Obviously, we'll gear up for whatever happens.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Right. From an operations or planning perspective, there are no major changes that have to be made if this is some kind of ongoing trend. It's just you're handling slightly less heavy pallets. You still have to move them across the dock the same way you always have.

John Barnes
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. All right. That's what I was looking for. Then, going back to the conversation about the OR, can you talk a little bit about how you balance I know you want margin improvement, but obviously, you still view yourselves very much of a growth company. If you think about taking that market share, whatever it is today, say you take it 1.5 points, 2 points, 3 points higher, and you continue to take on that share, how wed are you to, "I've got to have margin improvement as I do this?" There's going to be investment that needs to be made. How do you balance those two, that pursuit of growth versus, do you just let the OR shake out where it does as you gain that density and all?

Is it, "Hey, I've got to pay attention to both, the growth and where that OR shakes out?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

We pay attention to both all the time because we focus on every account to reach a targeted operating ratio. It's never been our practice to trade off growth for less margin or cheaper prices. That's not the way we think. We've been on the right course, as you can see from our numbers and our performance, and we're going to stay on the course we're on with the yield management philosophies that we have and with the service product that we've been building. You won't see us start trading off margin to try to get growth.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

John, here's the deal. It's probably unlike most of the other LTL carriers. First of all, we price the shipments to be profitable to us. That's the key. Of course, to do that, you need to have accurate costing to do that. Then, if we see that our growth is more than anticipated, instead of trying to, quote, "cull some freight out to match that capacity," we simply invest in more capacity. That's why you see our CapEx continue to grow up. Why do we do that? The big answer is because we can. We have the margins, we have the return on invested capital that gives us the powder to do that. As David pointed out, that's what we'll continue to do.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

With this continued growth in our CapEx and our investing in the company, all of the cost of those investments is embedded in the 81.5 operating ratio. The other thing to think about is that we have really fine-tuned operations in this company, we are very efficient. Otherwise, we would not be operating at 81.5. So when we go to price an account, because we're so efficient, the price that we charge is fair and perceived as a darn good value in the market because we don't have to charge as much as somebody else that doesn't operate as efficiently and still achieve the results we're looking for.

John Barnes
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Very good. Wes, "Because we can" is probably the best answer I've heard this entire earnings season. Thanks for that. Thanks for taking the questions.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

All right. Thanks, John.

Operator

We'll go to Jason Seidl with Cowen and Company.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen and Company

Hey, guys. Good morning. At this stage of the call, just one quick one from me. If the log situation starts tightening up truckload capacity again, how should we start looking at LTL pricing? Could it take an upwards turn again? Do you think that it'll just maintain sort of where we're at?

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

The LTL capacity is, aside from ourselves, we have more capacity than any other LTL out there. General LTL capacity is fairly balanced right now or perhaps tight. If the electronic logs cause fleet capacity to tighten and freight comes in the way of the LTL carriers, in general you would think that pricing would be more positive than it is now should we see more volume come in the way of LTL. One other point that we failed to mention earlier, talking about these electronic logs is the effect that they may have on the overall owner/operator truckload market. We think that EOBRs are going to really put a squeeze on the owner/operators. They're pretty well squeezed as we speak, and it's going to put more of a squeeze, which reduces some truckload capacity out there.

Personally, I don't know what percentage of truckload is hauled by owner-operators this day and age, but that's going to be a squeeze. Unless, of course, you're maybe a big company that already uses them with your owner-operators.

Jason Seidl
Analyst, Cowen and Company

Thanks for the color, guys.

Operator

We'll go to Ben Hartford with Baird.

Ben Hartford
Analyst, Baird

Hey, Wes. Real quick follow-up question on gains on sale this quarter. What is the number, and is there a way to allow us to think about what gains on sale should be through the balance of the year?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Hard to tell what the balance of the year. This quarter was about $1.6 million.

Ben Hartford
Analyst, Baird

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

We'll go to David Campbell with Thompson, Davis & Company.

David Campbell
Analyst, Thompson, Davis & Company

Yes, thanks. Good morning. I just wanted to ask if you could give me the number of employees on June 30 versus March 30.

Adam Satterfield
VP and Treasurer, Old Dominion Freight Line

Total full-time employees was 17,319 at the end of the quarter.

David Campbell
Analyst, Thompson, Davis & Company

Okay, March was what?

Adam Satterfield
VP and Treasurer, Old Dominion Freight Line

At the end of March, we had 16,835.

David Campbell
Analyst, Thompson, Davis & Company

Okay, thanks. My second question is, do you have last year's sequential tonnage gains for July, August, and September?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, I gave them to you. I've given them to you.

David Campbell
Analyst, Thompson, Davis & Company

Oh, you gave us last year. Yeah, you did. I got them. Yeah, I got them. I didn't get September.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

September sequential. The 10-year average for sequential in September for tonnage is 3.2% over August.

David Campbell
Analyst, Thompson, Davis & Company

Oh, yeah. Okay, I got it. I'm sorry. I got it. Yeah, I got it. Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

All right, David.

Operator

We'll go to Willard Milby with BB&T Capital Markets.

Willard Milby
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, guys. Real quick on the, I guess gains on sale show up in that miscellaneous expenses. Is that correct?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yes.

Willard Milby
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

We've kind of been developing a trend the past couple of years of Q2 being the low mark for the year for miscellaneous expenses. Is that a trend we can expect to continue 2016, 2017? Or is the past three years kind of unique with sales and just timing?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, we don't give that guidance, and right now, to the extent that gain is in there, it's hard to project what those will be. Sometimes we have a large real estate gain just because we sold a big service center, and we always have some equipment disposals coming and going, but it varies a lot.

Willard Milby
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay, I was just curious if there was something special about Q2. It's kind of been that way for the past three years, so.

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, we've been very consistently selling some excess real estate that was there because of investments in larger facilities as part of our growth.

Willard Milby
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay, fair enough. That's all I had. Thanks for the time.

Operator

We'll go back to Scott Group with Wolfe Research.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey guys, thanks for the follow-up. Wes, just one quick thing. Now that you're giving us the monthly revenue per hundredweight, do you have what yield growth net of fuel was by month in third quarter last year, just so we can think about the comps?

J. Wes Frye
SVP of Finance and CFO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Scott, I don't have those offhand.

Scott Group
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Maybe we'll follow up offline. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to David Congdon for any additional or closing remarks.

David S. Congdon
Vice Chairman and CEO, Old Dominion Freight Line

Okay. As always, thank you all for your participation today. We appreciate your questions. We appreciate your support of Old Dominion. Feel free to give us a call if you have any further questions. Thank you. Good day from all of us.

Operator

Thank you very much. That does conclude our conference for today. I'd like to thank everyone for your participation. Have a great day.