Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the ON Semiconductor Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are
in a listen only mode. Later, we
will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Parag Agarwal, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Chris. Good morning and thank you for joining ON Semiconductor Corporation Q2 2019 quarterly results conference call. I'm joined today by Keith Jackson, our President and CEO and Bernard Goodman, our CFO. The call is being webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.awnsemi.com. A replay of this broadcast along with our earnings release for Q2 of 2019 will be available on our website approximately 1 hour following this conference call and the recorded broadcast will be available for approximately 30 days following this conference call.
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Now, let me turn it over to Bernard Gutmann, who will provide an overview of our Q2 2019 results. Bernard?
Thank you, Parag, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Geopolitical and macroeconomic factors impacted our 2nd quarter revenue. Sharper than expected broad based inventory correction, especially in the automotive market, was the driver of lower than expected revenue in the 2nd quarter. Furthermore, we saw weakness in our communications revenue as we temporarily halted shipments to major customers to comply with U. S.
Federal law. Despite headwinds to our top line during current cyclical downturn in the semiconductor industry, our execution continues to be solid and we continue to post strong margin and earnings performance. So far, in the current downturn, cyclicability of our in our revenue and margins has been lower than that of our peer group. Our performance thus far speaks to the transformed nature of our business and our focus on highly differentiated power, analog, sensor and connectivity products for automotive, industrial and cloud power end markets. Key secular trends in automotive, industrial and cloud power end markets remain intact and we continue to make prudent investments to strengthen our competitive position in our strategic end markets and to further improve our industry leading cost structure.
Our design win pipeline in key growth areas continues to expand at a rapid pace. Though the Q2 was challenging from the revenue perspective, current booking trends point towards stabilization in business conditions. Demand trends from automotive customers have stabilized and bookings from communications customers have improved. We believe that distribution inventory correction should be nearly complete by the end of the Q3 or early Q4 of 2019. Although we are seeing stabilization in demand at lower level of revenue, we are not seeing much evidence of any meaningful recovery in demand.
While we are encouraged by the stabilization in business conditions, we are cognizant of risks arising from unforeseen geopolitical and microeconomic events, and we are managing our business to adjust to the near term volatility in demand. We have taken measures to control our operating expenses in line with relatively soft business conditions. We believe that a highly diversified customer base, exposure to the fastest growing semiconductor end markets and long life cycle of many of our products should help us better navigate the current slowdown in demand as compared to broader analog and power semiconductor industry. We remain upbeat about the future. And as I noted earlier, we are making prudent strategic investment to strengthen and build our leadership in key strategic markets and to improve our cost structure.
In the Q2, we closed the acquisition of Quantenna Communications, which we believe will strengthen our presence in connectivity applications for industrial and automotive end markets. We also recently announced our plans to add the first 300 millimeter fab to our manufacturing network in a phased transaction over the next 4 years. The addition of this fab in a staged process should accelerate our progress towards our 2022 target financial model, enable savings of approximately $1,000,000,000 in capital expenditures over the next several years and provide sufficient capacity to support our long term growth at a highly competitive cost structure. Now let me provide you details on our Q2 2019 results. Total revenue for the Q2 of 2019 was $1,348,000,000 a decrease of 7% as compared to revenues of $1,456,000,000 in the Q2 of 2018.
The year over year decline in revenue was primarily driven by well publicized microeconomic and geopolitical factors, which have impacted the overall semiconductor industry. GAAP net income for the Q2 was $0.24 per diluted share as compared to $0.37 $0.35 in the Q2 of 2018. Non GAAP net income for the Q2 was $0.42 per diluted share as compared to $0.46 in the Q2 of 2018. GAAP gross margin for the 2nd quarter was 37%. Non GAAP gross margin for the 2nd quarter was 37.1%.
Year over year, our Q2 2019 non GAAP gross margin declined by 106 basis points, primarily due to lower revenue. Despite a meaningful quarter over quarter decline in revenue in the 2nd quarter, we delivered solid gross margin performance with gross margin flat as compared to that of the Q1. Our GAAP operating margin for the Q2 of 2019 was 11.7% as compared to 13.5% in the Q2 of 2018. Our non GAAP operating margin for the Q2 of 2019 was 15.7% as compared to 16.3% in the Q2 of 2018. The year over year decline in operating margin was driven largely by lower gross margin.
GAAP operating expenses for the 2nd quarter were 341,000,000 dollars as compared to $358,000,000 for the Q2 of 2018. Non GAAP operating expenses for the Q2 were $288,000,000 as compared to $318,000,000 in the Q2 of 2018. The year over year decline in Q2 operating expenses was driven by aggressive expense control, 0 bonus accrual and the reverses of bonus accrued during the Q1 of 2019. 2nd quarter free cash flow was $69,000,000 and operating cash flow was $222,000,000 Capital expenditures during the 2nd quarter $154,000,000 which equates to a capital intensity of 11%. We exited the Q2 of 2019 with cash and cash equivalents of $885,000,000 as compared to $940,000,000 in the Q1 of 2019.
We used $50,000,000 of cash to repurchase 2,600,000 shares of our stock during the Q2. At the end of the second quarter, days of inventory on hand were 137 days, up by 9 days as compared to 128 days in the Q1 of 2019. This increase in inventory was driven primarily by the inclusion of Quantenna's results for a few days during the Q2 and by the fair market value step up of Quantenna's inventory. Had we included Quantenna's results without fair market value step up for the entire Q2, our days of inventory at the end of the second quarter would have been 132 days, up 4 days as compared to 128 days in the Q1. We intend to lower the days of inventory in our balance sheet in
the 3rd
quarter. Distribution resales increased meaningfully in the Q2 over the Q1. Distribution inventory in terms of weeks declined quarter over quarter in the second quarter and is now within our target range of 11 to 13 weeks. We expect to see further reduction in our distribution inventories in terms of base in the Q3. As we noted in our previous earnings conference calls, we are aggressively managing our distribution inventory to ensure healthy level of inventory in the distribution channel.
We believe that in addition to secular growth drivers in automotive, industrial and cloud power markets, our proactive management of distribution inventory has been a key reason behind relatively lower level of volatility in our revenue over the last several quarters as compared to volatility in revenue of our peers. Now let me provide you an update on performance of our business unit, starting with Power Solutions Group, or PSG. Revenue for PSG for the Q2 was 701,000,000 dollars Revenue for the Analog Solutions Group for the Q2 of 2019 was $462,000,000 and revenue for the Intelligent Sensing Group was $185,000,000 Now, I
would like to turn the call over to Keith Jackson for additional comments on the business environment. Keith? Thanks, Bernard. Our execution remains strong despite demand weakness in the overall semiconductor market. In the Q2, we delivered strong margin and earning performance despite strong headwinds from geopolitical and macroeconomic factors.
While the near term business conditions are tepid, the foundation of our business with exposure to secular megatrends in automotive, industrial and cloud power end markets remain solid. With strong execution discipline, we are well positioned to navigate through the current soft patch in demand. Much anticipated recovery in demand conditions has not materialized yet, but current booking trends point towards stabilization of demand trends. Based on commentary from our distribution partners, it appears that ongoing inventory correction in the distribution channel should be nearly complete by the end of the third quarter or early Q4. While we have strong visibility into the distribution channel, geopolitical and macroeconomic factors are difficult to forecast.
No matter what direction business conditions take, we are well prepared to respond in an expeditious manner. Despite the current slowdown in demand, we continue to make prudent investments to strengthen our competitive position and to further improve our industry leading cost structure. During the second quarter, we announced the completion of our acquisition of Quantenna Communications, a provider of market leading connectivity semiconductor solutions for Wi Fi. We believe that connectivity capability is a primary requirement for success in the industrial IoT market. As we have announced earlier, we intend to leverage Quantenna's market leading connectivity capabilities to gain technological leadership in the connectivity market for industrial IoT.
At the same time, we will continue to invest in Quantenna to grow its carrier business. Current customer feedback has been very positive and customers are excited about the benefits of the combined financial and market resources of Quantenna and ON Semiconductor will bring to them. Integration of Quantenna is on track and the teams are working on product roadmaps and on achieving synergy targets. Due to ongoing stress softness in the semiconductor industry, Quantenna has experienced a slowdown in this business as well is expected to be mildly dilutive in the Q3. However, as we realize synergies and reduce costs, we expect that Quantenna will deliver targeted accretion.
We are also making strong process towards ramping our production at 300 Millimeter East Fishkill Fab in Upstate New York. Process development for porting our power products has started and is progressing at a rapid pace. We are solidly on track to start shipping our first 300 millimeter power products from East Fishkill Fab in 2020. As we have indicated earlier, our 300 millimeter East Fishkill Fab accelerates our progress towards our 20 22 target model, enables efficiencies in our manufacturing network and further strengthens our industry leading cost structure. We believe that the ramp of our 300 millimeter production will be a major inflection point in our manufacturing strategy and in our manufacturing cost structure.
Key secular trends driving our business remain intact. Our momentum in our key strategic markets continues to accelerate. We continue to see meaningful increases in our content in automotive, industrial and cloud power applications. We believe that automotive, industrial and cloud power end markets will be among the fastest growing semiconductor end markets for a long time. In the automotive market, accelerating adoption of electric vehicles and active safety should drive strong growth in our power semiconductor and sensor businesses.
In the industrial market, we are seeing strong traction for our power semiconductors driven by higher power efficiency requirements for industrial systems. In the cloud power market, we are seeing robust growth for our analog power management products for servers and power semiconductors for 5 gs infrastructure markets. The current slowdown in demand driven by macroeconomic and geopolitical vectors does not change our view on our long term growth potential. Now I'll provide details of the progress in our various end markets for the Q2 of 2019. Revenue for the automotive market in the Q2 was $434,000,000 and represented 32% of our revenue in the 2nd quarter.
2nd quarter automotive revenue declined by 5% year over year. Asia, including Greater China, was the primary contributor to this year over year decline. Weakness in the U. S. And European automotive markets also contributed to this year over year decline.
On a quarter over quarter basis, we saw some stabilization in automotive revenue from Greater China region in the 2nd quarter. We expect that year over year decline in China light vehicle production units to moderate in the second half of the current year. On a global basis, we expect that global light vehicle production in terms of units will decline by 3% to 4% year over year in 2019. U. S.
And European Automotive units will likely decline by 2% to 3% range year over year in 2019. We continue to see a strong adoption of our products in vehicle electrification, active safety and in various analog power management applications and our content in automotive applications continues to grow. Content in applications such as EV, HEV, LED lighting and in vehicle network is growing in a meaningful manner. We're seeing strong customer interest for our silicon carbide products and our customer engagement is growing worldwide. Customer interest in our silicon carbide modules for traction inverters and onboard chargers has been very strong and we are engaged with many customers for their upcoming EV platforms.
Demand for our silicon based power products for vehicle electrification continues to accelerate and we are seeing strong growth in our power MOSFET business. In the current quarter, we are starting preproduction of high voltage IGBT modules to support customer ramps in the Q4 and in 2020. In ADAS applications, momentum for our sensor products continues to grow. We continue to gain traction with our portfolio of automotive image sensor products and our customers are increasingly relying on us to provide them with complete product suite for automotive applications. As I have indicated before, we are the only provider of automotive image sensors with a complete increased volumes from Level 2 and 3 ADAS and autonomous vehicle systems continue to be a catalyst for growth.
We continue to grow our strategic engagements for automotive radar products and we have delivered first evaluation samples to our customers. Our analog power management products for ADAS, instrument clusters, as well as in vehicle networking solutions continue to grow at a healthy rate. Growth within our advanced lighting, power management and LED driver solutions continues to be strong globally. Revenue in the Q3 for the automotive end market is expected to be slightly up quarter over quarter as opposed to seasonality of sequential decline in revenue. The industrial end market, which includes military, aerospace and medical, contributed revenue of $363,000,000 in the second quarter.
Industrial end market represented 27% of our revenue in the 2nd quarter. Year over year, our 2nd quarter industrial revenue declined by 12%. Greater China region has been the primary source of weakness in the industrial market, but we have recently seen stabilization in business trends. We believe that our product offerings for increased power efficiency requirements for the industrial systems will allow us to take advantage of the secular megatrends ahead. We continue to see increased momentum with our mid- and high voltage power semiconductor products such as FETs and IGBTs and modules in the industrial end market.
We continue to see strength in the China solar market with our power modules and IGBTs and our breadth of customer engagements in China continues to expand. Within Industrial, we are gaining traction in Medical with our Bluetooth low energy products. Our technology and design expertise is well recognized by our customer base and we expect strong growth in the future. We continue to see strong demand for our products in implantable devices, personal diagnostics and in hearing health markets. Revenue in the Q3 for the industrial end market is expected to be down quarter over quarter due to normal seasonality and ongoing softness in the industrial end market.
The communications end market, which includes both networking and wireless contributed revenue of $248,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. The communications end market represented 18% of our revenue in the Q2. 2nd quarter communications revenue increased by 7% year over year. Much of the year over year increase was driven by strength in the 5 gs ramp. Smartphone related revenue in the second quarter was also up year over year.
We did not have meaningful revenue from Quantenna in the 2nd quarter as the acquisition closed on June 19. As noted earlier, our 5 gs related revenue in the Q2 was disrupted as we halted shipments to a major customer in accordance with U. S. Federal Law. We have now resumed partial shipments to this customer in accordance with U.
S. Law. Despite near term uncertainty, current engagement with our customers points to meaningful deployment rates for 5 gs systems in the near to mid term. On the smartphone front, our revenue grew year over year. We expect to see increase in our content and new platforms slated for launch later this year.
Revenue in the Q3 for the communications end market is expected to be up quarter over quarter due to launch of new smartphone platforms and inclusion of Quantenna's results for a full quarter. The computing end market contributed revenue of $139,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. The computing end market represented 10% of our revenue in the 2nd quarter. 2nd quarter computing revenue declined by 7% year over year. However, our server business posted very solid growth on a year over year basis during the 2nd quarter.
We are seeing a temporary pause in our service business in the current quarter as customers adjust their inventory levels, future generations of server platforms, we expect meaningful increase in our content. Revenue in the Q3 for computing end market is expected to be down quarter over quarter due to the decline in our client and server businesses. The consumer end market contributed revenue of $164,000,000 in the second quarter. The consumer end market represented 12% of our revenue in the 2nd quarter. 2nd quarter consumer revenue declined by 21% year over year.
The year over year decline was due to continuing broad based weakness in consumer electronics and white goods markets and our selective participation in these markets. Revenue in the Q3 for the consumer end market is expected to be down quarter over quarter. In summary, thus far in the current downturn, cyclicality in our revenue and margins has been lower than that of our peer group. Our performance speaks to the transformed nature of our business and our focus on highly differentiated power, analog, sensor and connectivity products for the automotive, industrial and cloud power end markets. We are seeing stabilization in business trends in our key markets.
However, demand continues to be sub seasonal as macroeconomic and geopolitical continue to weigh on end demand. We believe that ongoing distribution inventory correction should be nearly complete by the end of the third quarter or early fourth quarter 2019. Despite current weakness in the business trends across the industry, secular megatrends driving our business remain intact and we are upbeat about our medium to long term prospects. We are focused on the fastest growing end markets of the semiconductor industry. With our design wins, we expect that our content in automotive, industrial and cloud power applications will continue to grow.
To adjust to slowing macroeconomic environment, we are prudently managing our business with sharp focus on controlling expenses. Our operational execution remains solid. Now, I'd like to turn it back over to Bernard for forward looking guidance. Bernard?
Thank you, Keith. Based on product booking trends, backlog levels and estimated turns levels, we anticipate that total on semiconductor revenue is expected to be in the range of $1,355,000,000 to $1,405,000,000 in the Q3 of 2019. For the Q3 of 2019, we expect GAAP gross margin to be in the range of 35.2% to 36.2% and non GAAP gross margin to be in the range of 36.7% to 37.7%. We expect total GAAP operating expenses of $349,000,000 to 369,000,000 dollars Our GAAP operating expenses include the amortization of intangibles, restructuring, asset impairments and other charges, which are expected to be $34,000,000 to $38,000,000 We expect total non GAAP operating expenses of $1,000,000 to $331,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. The quarter over quarter increase in operating expenses for the Q3 over those of the 2nd quarter is driven primarily by the inclusion of Quantenna's results for the full quarter, process transfer costs related to the 300 millimeter fab at this fish kill, annual merit increase and the absence of Bono's reversal, which significantly lowered 2nd quarter operating expenses.
We expect to see a meaningful decrease in Quantenna related operating expenses as we realize targeted synergies and reduce costs. Offsetting increase in the 3rd quarter operating expenses are savings resulting from tight operating expense controls. We anticipate Q3 of 2019 GAAP net other income and expense, including interest expense, will be $38,000,000 to $41,000,000 which includes non cash interest of $9,000,000 to $10,000,000 We anticipate our non GAAP net other income and expense and including interest expense will be $29,000,000 to $31,000,000
Net cash paid for income taxes in
the Q3 of 2019 is expected to be $11,000,000 to $15,000,000 We expect total capital expenditure of $125,000,000 to $135,000,000 in the Q3 of 2019. We also expect share based compensation of $21,000,000 to $23,000,000 in the Q3 of 2019, of which approximately $2,000,000 is expected to be in cost of goods sold and the remaining amount is expected to be in operating expenses. This expense is included in our non GAAP financial measures. Our diluted share count for the Q3 of 2019 is expected to be 4 14,000,000 shares based on the current stock price. Further details on share count and earnings per share calculations are provided regularly in our quarterly and annual reports on Form 10Q and Form 10 ks.
With that, I would like to start the Q and A session. Thank you, and Chris, please open up the lines for questions.
And our first question comes from the line of Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. As my first one, one for Keith. I know you guys are guiding to the basically the same sort of sub seasonality by about 5 points as everybody else. But last quarter, you talked about an improvement in bookings that gave you confidence in the back half.
Now you're talking more about a stabilization and you think the inventory correction is going to be done at the end of this quarter and next. I guess what changed quarter over quarter? Is it just the obvious trade war tensions tensions rising? And what gives you the confidence that the projection this time is something that you're willing to make after last time proving too was
much was much more pronounced than anticipated. And as the quarter went on, as you are aware, those impacts got more significant. The second piece is we did see more inventory correction going on than we had anticipated based on backlog trends going into the quarter at some of the OEM sides as well. So the combination weakened during the quarter, and I think that's what led to the results we had. As we look forward in dialogue with the customers and in looking at what's going on geopolitically, things have been stabilizing more.
Certainly, the biggest impact from U. S. Sanctions, we believe we comprehend at this stage, which we did not have going into the Q2. And so we've got more confidence in what I will call stabilization at this point.
That's great. And then just my follow-up question, one for Bernard on gross margin and inventory. I know you talked about bringing inventory down in the Q3. Can you talk a little bit about what that's doing to your gross margin in the near term? And now that we have the GLOBALFOUNDRIES acquisition of 300 millimeter fab as well as the Quantenna acquisition.
Talk about the path to the low 40s gross margin target. Does that get expedited? Any sort of updates on the steps we should follow over the next year or so towards that 43% target you laid out at your Analyst Meeting?
Sure, Ross. Thank you. So inventory corrections in the Q3, internal inventory correction is expected to occur, but on a mild basis. We don't expect that, that will have a significant impact on our gross margin. And as you can see, our guidance for overall gross margin is slightly better sequentially than Q2.
Definitely, the both the acquisitions that we announced this quarter of Quantenna and of the phased approach for East Fishkill should be tailwinds that will help us achieve our gross margin targets for 2023. So we feel pretty good about those. And we'll continue with our normal 50% follow through on incremental revenue. And in the short term, there's been a little bit of a headwind, but we expect that, that's the inventory correction in the secular drivers take course, we expect that, that will continue also being a significant help.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Chris Danley with Citigroup. Your line is now open.
Hey, thanks guys. I guess more question on macro. At least according to Twitter, we've got another $300,000,000,000 in tariffs coming down the pike here in the next month. How do you think that impacts you guys? And did your guidance change after the update came?
Or do you think that that could be a little bit of downside out
there? We saw the tweets as well and the reactions to it. I think our belief is that this is comprehended in the guidance that we've given. They are tariffs and the tariffs themselves have not been the issue for our revenues so far. What we expect to see is potentially some market share changes from our customers as a result of this, but the overall end markets, I would not expect significant destabilization.
Okay, great. And then for my follow-up, just to drill down on a couple of Ross' questions. So on inventory, what's the, I guess, the goal for your internal inventories? And when do you think you would get there? And then on OpEx, can we expect OpEx to drift down on the dollars basis for the next couple of quarters as you guys start to squeeze some synergies?
Let me ask them in reverse. The OpEx, we expect those to stabilize and then in 2020 come down as we get the benefits of the synergies that we talked about for Quantenna, which we talked about being $26,000,000 about $16,000,000 of those in OpEx and about $10,000,000 in COGS. The inventory goal in the midterm, I expect those to come down to about 120 days. And right now, we are at 132 when you pro form a that for Quantenna's for the full quarter.
Great. Thanks, guys.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Your line is now open.
Yes. Hi, guys. Just a couple of questions. On the when you look at the China side, just wondering what your content is on autos in general in China now? And how do you see the EV market going into next year?
Thanks.
On EV, we expect continued growth despite the macroeconomic conditions and number of cars sold globally. We expect that percentage to continue to rise and it will be led in China. So we would be expecting some recovery there in China for Automotives on that basis. Globally though, we're not looking for a large pickup in total units of cars sold.
And in terms of content?
From a content perspective, for the electric vehicles, it's up to about $400 per battery car. And then if you move to a level 2 ADAS systems, you get another $150 per car from a year on year basis. So pretty significant content changes.
Got it. And I don't know if you talked about Quantenna's contribution in the September quarter, and then assume that's again well above your corporate today, right? Thanks.
So at Quantenna, we are not disclosing the details. We normally don't disclose customers or individual sub end markets. It will be integrated within our ASG group. And we believe we are on track with the synergy and the integration plans. And as we mentioned in the call, the market for Wi Fi has also suffered the same weaknesses on the macroeconomic and inventory corrections.
Therefore, we talked about being mildly dilutive in the Q3, but on plan with the long term plans.
Great. Thanks a
lot.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.
Open. Thanks for taking my question. I'm curious how you're managing utilization in Q3 and what will help gross margins recover from here? Will it be an improvement in mix? Are there any other operational things that you are putting in place?
It was good to see gross margin kind of hold in there in Q2, but I'm just wondering what are the drivers from here on to your longer term goals?
The same ones that we have elaborated in the Analyst Day for the long term, the mix effect, the fall through on the incremental revenue, manufacturing cost savings and some divestitures in small scale. And we also talked about the 2 different the 2 acquisitions we just closed in this quarter. Quantenna should be accretive to gross margin and so should the East Pistol acquisition. In the short term, we also take the normal tactical cost reductions, more in sourcing and tighten the belt just on discretionary spend even at the COGS level. And that should also help us shore up the numbers in the short term.
And then on the Computing business for Q3, I believe Keith you mentioned that it could be down. I'm trying to reconcile that with stabilization in the PC market and just the growth because of new CPUs coming out in Q3. Could you give us a sense of where you're seeing the headwinds? Is it more on the unit side? Is it more on the content side in your computing business?
Thank you.
Yes, it is definitely related to units and definitely has some of the macroeconomic impacts. One of the things we do believe is that the Q2 numbers had some significant amounts of ship aheads over the concern with tariffs being imposed and increased.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Anthony Stoss with Craig Hallum. Your line is now open.
Hi, guys. Most of my questions were asked, but maybe you can provide more color on the size or expected size of the silicon carbide business in 2019 and where you see it go for 2020? And also just to be clear, your comments related to Huawei that you have more visibility, does that include your ability to shift to the comp side? Thanks. Taking the last one first, I think we do have more visibility and our ability to ship into the comps piece of that.
Clearly, there's still impact on the 5 gs portion, but the handset business seems to be an area that can be shipped. So more clarity on Huawei at this stage and of course we are applying for further exemptions as you would expect. From a silicon carbide perspective, we do see that continuing to grow at an extremely rapid pace. We're not expecting 'nineteen to be in the 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars, but certainly toward the triple digit 1,000,000.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Matt Ramsay with Cowen. Your line is now open.
Yes, thank you. Yourselves and other
companies, obviously, with the automotive challenges in the industry
have given a little bit with the automotive challenges in the industry have given a little bit more color specifically on the market in China. I wonder if you guys might sort of remind us what percentage of your automotive business is China consumed today roughly and just how that business might be trending differently than of the business in automotive outside of China? Thank you.
Well, trend wise, actually I mentioned that we've seen stabilization. That market took a pretty steep double digit drop on a year on year basis globally. And so that's a very significant and most significant action on a worldwide automotive basis. We think that China overall when you look at the numbers contributes around 25% or so total automotive. That is an estimate because clearly we ship things to other parts of the world that are still being imported in China, but roughly a quarter.
Got it. Thank you. And as a follow-up from us, you had mentioned, Keith, in your commentary that the customer feedback around the Quantenna deal was quite strong. I might wonder if you might elaborate on that and what particular verticals or what type of customer engagements there have been in discussions since you closed the deal that might shed the light on where you're going with that technology stack? Thank you.
Yes. So their existing customer base, as you're aware, basically is the ones that we would have been referencing there. They're looking at, I guess, more assured supply, having a stronger financial backing there. From the fan out piece, we've been talking to industrial IoT customers about our plans to expand offerings into that portion of the business and they've also been quite excited by taking some high performance solutions and combining it with the rest of our IoT solutions.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ambrish Srivastava with BMO. Your line is now open.
Hi, guys. This is Jameson calling in for Ambrish. Thanks for the question. So first, I was wondering if you guys could comment on your lead times in Power, where are they now versus a peak? And also what are where are they doing compared to normal levels?
Lead times still continue to be kind of mid teens. This is down definitely from a year ago levels by 4 or 5 weeks and slightly longer than what we would call normal for the industry as there's still some constraints in our power business.
Okay, great. Thanks. And then my follow-up is regarding your East Fishkill fab. I was wondering with the lower demand that you guys are seeing, does this affect any ramp of any sort there? Do you plan on, I guess, point things in or pushing things out given the increased supply that you'll have from there?
Thank you.
No, it doesn't change any of our expectations there. We're still moving full steam ahead. As I mentioned earlier on the EV trends, the automotive trends and the 5 gs trends, we're expecting significant and continued growth in those power businesses next year. So there's no changes anticipated there.
All right. Thank you.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.
Yes. Good morning. Thanks very much for taking the questions. First question is related to pricing in prior calls. I think the company commented.
On pricing, in general terms, we still are seeing a pretty benign environment as compared to what we have seen in previous years. So no change from
that.
Yes, I think we lost it.
Chris, can you move on to the next caller, please?
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Tristan Gerra with Baird. Your line is now open.
Hi, good morning. In terms of Quantenna being impacted by the macro trend, was there also any company specific events such as any share loss that would have impacted revenue for Quantenna versus your prior expectation? And also if you could quantify perhaps the EPS dilution that you expect from Quantenna in the quarter?
So as I mentioned, we did visit all of Quantenna's customers since the acquisition and without exception, they have all cited softness in their business and no share loss of any kind. On the earnings per share, like we said, it's not meaningful contribution in quarter 3.
Okay, great. And then could you comment on your utilization rates that's embedded in your Q3 guidance?
Yes, they're low 70s. It should be very similar to Q2.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Christopher Rolland with SIG. Your line is now open.
Hey, guys. Thanks for the question. In your opinion and in comparison to others, why do you think it took so much longer for your distis to start making these adjustment inventory adjustments here? Was it do you think it was the long lead times that you guys had? Or are there some more market specific issues or end product specific issues that you guys have that others don't?
I do believe mix is a contributor to the behaviors there. Companies with more power content have seen less of the corrections and seen it later.
Understood. And maybe you guys can talk about cycle times. And if you expect lead times to approach cycle times, is that something you're contemplating in this down cycle or not?
On a product basis, you certainly have seen a narrowing of the gap between manufacturing cycle times and lead times. They're not don't normally collapse inside our manufacturing lead times in good markets or bad.
Great. Thanks guys.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Craig Ellis with B. Riley FBR.
I wanted to pose a couple of intermediate term questions on a few of the end markets. Keith, as you look at automotive, nice to see it growing
in the
Q3. Do you sense that the underlying dynamics in that business, content gains, rising, EV quotient, etcetera, mean that this is an inflection quarter where we could be back to sustained growth or are there some headwinds coming in the 4th quarter that would mean it's more bouncing along the bottom?
In terms of units sold, we don't see a significant improvement in the Q4 globally. We're not looking for that. We do think that the number of models adopting EV and the number of models adopting Level 2 ADAS will be increasing for the 2020 CAR model years. And so we should see that offset even flat or down in Q4 total unit number. So we are expecting a return to growth as you exit this year.
That's helpful. And then the follow-up is on cloud power. So it sounds like the base station business is getting some strong traction, server isn't helping just because of ship aheads. The first part of the question is when do you think those will both be working in your favor? And on base stations specifically, as you interact with your customers, what are the unit numbers for base station builds that they're talking about for this year and next year?
Thank you. Yes. When we talked growth, we are over 60% growth year on year in those cloud power and applications. And so, yes, very, very significant growth. We don't actually have any units I can give you specifically in the forecast,
however. And timing on when server can help cloud power?
I'm expecting that to be certainly as we enter 2020. Thanks, Keith.
And our next question comes from the line of Rajeev Gill with Needham and Company.
Yes. Thank you for taking my questions. A question on automotive. If we assume auto continues to grow in Q4, It looks like the segment will be down about less than 2%. And I think you had indicated that overall light vehicle production is going to decline 3% to 4%.
So I just wanted to get a sense, is that kind of roughly what you're expecting? And then how does that, I guess, reconcile with dollar content gains and power and ADAS? If it is the case, it will be a slight improvement over the unit decline. Not as great. So just I would like to get some color on that.
Yes. So again, I think it really is the on content story there, not the units. The other piece of what you've seen so far this year is inventory correction at the suppliers to the automobile industry. So the units themselves can be down 2%, 3% or whatever, but the inventory piece and the inventory correction piece contributes to the rest. And as I mentioned before, I do expect as we get into Q4, the additional content story will take over and you'll see continued growth for us.
Okay, that's helpful. For my follow-up question, you talked about booking trends are pointing towards stabilization. Is this mainly based on your distributors, your customers in China who have basically said, we finished the inventory correction and we're going to at least kind of rebuild slowly or I'm just trying to characterize what's driving the stabilization in bookings. It's just purely what we're done with the inventory correction and we're going to be bouncing off the bottom from here on out. Just any insight on that?
Thank you.
Yes, a couple of comments. One, we did mention that we expected continued distribution inventory declines in the Q3, and we think that will be about the end of it. So it's really not a big disty stocking change in attitude. We have seen stabilization actually increases from backlog in China, whereas they were declining pretty rapidly beginning of the year. Those now look to be done with the inventory correction and starting to increase.
Thank you. Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Harlan Sur with JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Good
Thank you for taking my question. Maybe just a follow-up on that previous question. So on the weaker industrial trends, especially Greater China, you guys starting to see signs of stabilization. Any specific sub segments where you're starting to see the stabilization, factory automation, building automation, any color here would be great?
It's across the board in China that kind of starting to see the increases there. So no one market stands out.
Okay. And then on the distribution inventory, it came down nicely in Q2, will be down again in Q3. Resells were up sequentially in June. So relative to, let's say, your flattish guide for Q3 ex Quantenna, how much are you anticipating resales up sequentially in Q3? It looks like autos will be up.
Do you expect industrial resales to be up sequentially as well?
We are expecting to see sequential increases in the resales. They will match pretty much the commentary I gave by market. We see normal ramps in communications in the Q3. We'll see some ramps on the automotive side, excuse me, but those will be reflecting Q3 extra resales will be reflecting the market commentary. Thank you very much.
And our next question comes from the line of Harsh Kumar with Piper Jaffray.
I wanted to revisit the question on OpEx. As you look to integrate Quantenna, I'm assuming your September guidance Quantenna OpEx built into it. How should we think about the sort of synergies kicking in? And to what extent do you is there a goal that you would give us on a percentage basis with how we should think about on an OpEx basis longer term?
So our long term goal for OpEx is the same 21% as we have elaborated in our Analyst Day. We are on track to do the plans for synergies for Quantenna. When we announced Quantenna, we talked about synergies being about $26,000,000 about $16,000,000 of those in OpEx and $10,000,000 in COGS. And they will be coming in and become meaningful in 2020.
Okay. And then for my follow-up, I was curious if you could size how much business you're not able to do Huawei as you look to get these licenses? If there's any color you could give us on that front, that would be helpful.
We normally don't give any details on specific customers. But as we said in our prepared remarks, we have partially resumed the shipments on to the customers that were affected. Fair enough. Thanks, guys.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Shawn Harrison with Longbow Research. Your line is now open.
Good morning. On the commentary about distribution ending the inventory corrections, I guess that commentary seemed to be a little bit ahead of the more negative tone Arrow had last week. And I was wondering if your inventory correction is maybe ending earlier a function of the power products you sell being in higher demand or managing inventories a little bit more aggressively than others?
Yes. As I mentioned, certainly mix has an impact on what goes on there. But we've also talked over the quarters about how we have a little better control system and much better visibility. So reacting appropriately and never getting too overstocked is also a piece of that equation. And then as a follow-up, if
I may. Bernard, free cash generation this year is probably a little bit light versus typical curve. Maybe you could talk about how you would expect to see free cash flow generation in the second half of the year?
Typically, if you look at seasonality of our free cash flow, it is back end loaded typically in the 3rd and even more meaningful in the Q4. So we expect to see some catch up playing throughout the rest of the year.
And our next question comes from the line of Chris Caso with Raymond James.
Just a question following up on distributor resale. And obviously, you and everyone else are reporting on a sell in basis now. Can you help us to quantify how much the distribution inventory reduction has been a headwind in the 2nd quarter? What's contemplated in your Q3 guidance? How significant is that?
So in both quarters, there is a significant reduction contemplated and I don't know that we're giving specific numbers there, Chris, but certainly they're meaningful and we expect leaving the Q3 to be for the lower end of our normal operating guidance for disti inventory.
Right. As a follow-up then, any comments about how we should look about look at December? And obviously, there's a lot of moving pieces on the macro. But with what you said on distribution inventory, I suppose that would be a tailwind as sell in and sell out converge. How any other things we should be thinking about with respect to December?
We only give guidance 1 quarter at a time, but I would reiterate that we expect the distribution inventory correction to be largely over in Q3 of this year.
Got it. Thank you. Thank you. And our last question comes from the line of Craig Hettenbach with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
Yes, thank you. A question for Keith on autos and understanding it's a very challenging backdrop, particularly in China, but it's also unusual in the quarter that's reported to see a big delta. And so if you can just give some color in terms of this cycle, what you're seeing from kind of Tier 1 suppliers and OEMs and how they're maybe managing inventory that led to a much bigger drag
in Q2? Yes, our a lot of dialogue occurred there as you might have expected. And I do believe that many of the auto suppliers remained more optimistic longer than I've seen in the past and then decided to take some fairly decisive inventory corrections as they got through the Q2. So from my perspective, that's what's different this Q2 versus any of the others we've experienced.
Got it. And then just a quick follow-up, you commented about distribution inventory and expectations into Q3. Any thoughts from an OEM perspective? I know that's been a little bit of a drag as well, but just how you see OEM inventory into Q3?
Again, just this is more qualitative than quantitative as we talk to our customer base and particularly in the auto sector. We think they're largely going to be corrected at around the same time into Q3 to beginning of Q4.
Thank you. And that does conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Parag Agarwal for any further remarks.
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