Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Bancoz and K Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's program, Tim Hicks. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning. I'm Tim Hicks, Chief Administrative Officer and Executive Director of Investor Relations for Banco ZK. Thank you for joining our call this morning and participating in our question and answer session. In today's Q and A discussion, we may make forward looking statements about our expectations, estimates and outlook for the future. Please refer to our earnings release, management comments and other public filings for more information on the various factors and risks that may cause actual results or outcomes to vary from those projected in or implied by such forward looking statements.
Joining me on the call to take your questions are George Gleeson, Chairman and CEO and Greg McKinney, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Accounting Officer. We will now open up the lines for your questions. Let me ask our operator, Jonathan, to remind our listeners how to queue in for questions. Jonathan?
Our first question comes from the line of Ken Zerbe from Morgan Stanley. Your question please.
Excellent. Good morning. So if we could just start off in terms of RESG, very good originations. Can you just talk a little bit about what drove the higher origination volume in RESG? And was it a lot of loans?
Was it a couple of large loans? Thanks.
Thank you, Ken. I'll address that. Yes, we did have our best origination quarter in RESG since 2017. We had loans of all sizes. We originated our largest loan ever in the quarter.
We originated a lot of small loans. I believe the I'm not sure of this number, but I think the number of closings in the quarter were 30 something, I believe. Don't hold me to that. But it was a good job that our team did. We're being very disciplined and our credit quality continuing to hold very diligently to our long established and consistent credit quality standards.
We have been very protective of our return on investment on those loans and are not doing transactions that are just so cheap that they're not generating a good return for us. So I'm very pleased with the job that our team did in originating a diversity of credits and a diversity of our markets, holding to our credit standards. And we're just going to have to continue to work hard and find those good opportunities that fit our credit and profitability profile.
Okay, great. And then in terms of the margin, obviously, it came down about 19 basis points this quarter and that's on one rate hike. And I get LIBOR has been coming down too. But if we end up getting 2 rate cuts, 1 in September and then 1 in October, how should we think about margin? I mean, is there any reason to think it wouldn't be down twice as much as the 19 basis points?
Or are there any offsets?
Hey, Ken, this is Tim. Yes, we had 2 rate cuts in Q3, so July September. I believe 1 month LIBOR was down 40 basis points during the quarter. So with 75% of our loans variable and 80 2% of those variably based on 1 month or 3 month LIBOR. We'll get a chart in here that explains that.
We're going to be really variable, very sensitive to that move in 1 3 month LIBOR, specifically 1 month LIBOR until we have the chance for our floors to catch up. And we've got a chart in here on floors as well. You can see on Figure 14, Page 13, the management comments that we have total commitment, 27% of our current loans are at their floor. That was 15% a quarter ago, another down fifty basis points. Half of our loans, the total commitments will be at a floor, 47% specifically.
So that will help eventually alleviate some of the decline in loan yields, which would help alleviate the decline in net interest margin. On the other hand, deposit costs should continue to benefit and continue to go down. We had a good decrease in deposit costs during the quarter, down 6 basis points during the quarter. We'd expect that to continue in the 4th quarter and the size and magnitude of that will depend on how many rig cuts we get and when.
Ken, we added also I might refer you to figure 13 on Page 12 of the management comments. We added a box at the bottom of that, that just showed our quarter over quarter change in core spread over the Fed increasing cycle in the last several quarters. And as you can see there, going back to when the Fed started increasing rates because of our LIBOR heavy book, loan yields increased faster than deposit cost and then ultimately deposit cost caught up. So over the up cycle, our change in yield on loans and change in yield on deposits, cost of deposits was fairly equal. And obviously, with the LIBOR plummeting really quickly with Fed cutting rates 2 times in a quarter and the expectation of further Fed cuts, LIBOR is outrunning our ability to adjust our deposit cost.
We think over the full down cycle in a couple of quarters or 3 quarters or something after the baddest food cutting rates that our deposit cost changes will largely catch up with our loan yield changes. But just as deposit cost lagged coming up, they're going to lag going down. So we would have certainly preferred the Fed have not started cutting rates when they did and given us a few more quarters to cycle our floor rates, that would have been helpful, but they didn't do that.
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course. And if we do get an October cut, where do you envision NIM falling out in Q4?
We're not giving a specific guidance on that. As you can obviously imagine, if LIBOR drops, our loan yields will drop. Tim mentioned we expect deposit costs to continue to come down and get better quarter to quarter, but there will be a lag effect in that probably.
Got you. Okay. And then just one last question, if I may. You mentioned in the release that you expect expenses to continue to move higher. What pace of expense growth are you envisioning going forward?
Hey, Ken, this is Greg. I think comments in response to that question would be similar to how we responded a quarter ago. I think we are towards the end but still continuing to build some of the infrastructure. Specifically, we had some expenditures over the last quarter or 2 related to our CECL model validations, scorecard validations for third parties. So those have continued to keep our expense increases a little bit on the elevated side.
That probably continues for another quarter or 2, although we're certainly working towards trying to get that much more moderated. We'll still grow, but much more moderated as we get into 2020. We do have the new headquarters coming on, so that will begin depreciation of that building and the oil will hit at some point during probably the Q2 of 2020. But that's I think our thoughts around, Koreans and non interest expense are very similar to our comments last quarter.
All right. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine Mealor from KBW. Your question please.
Thanks. Good morning.
Hi, good morning.
Maybe one follow-up on the deposit side. Is there any way to give us some color around what deposit cost did on a monthly basis? We can kind of see where deposit cost in it just for the maybe the month of September as a gauge for what we may see in the Q4?
Yes. I mean, I think, Catherine, this is Tim. Obviously, September was below where our quarter number was, about a few basis points. So that's going to help us for the quarter, give us a kind of a good head start. Obviously, there's a lag effect, obviously, to the two moves that we had in Q3 on the Fed funds target rate.
I would also mention our CD book. Our CD book in Q3, I would say, was probably headwind to the overall decrease. That should improve as time goes on and be less of a headwind to overall decrease. So we're not giving a specific range, but we've got things moving in our direction that should help us for Q4.
Okay. Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe just on big picture growth. We saw a little bit with the origination volume and we saw better kind of bottom line growth this past quarter. Any thoughts on just kind of as you look forward to the level of repayments that you may expect in the near term, do you feel like next quarter kind of into early 2020, you'll still be able to net grow the balance sheet or is your forecast for repayment still to where we view the balance sheet may be relatively kind of stable to flat?
Catherine, let me this is George. Let me address that. I think we generally expect moderate growth in the balance sheet next year. Certainly, not anything that's going to rise probably to the level of robust. We still will be contending with the pay downs from our purchase loan portfolio as everyone has known and seen for several years.
We will still be contending with a high level of RESG loan payoffs. We would hope that our RESG team would be able to do what they did this quarter and that is work hard, find good opportunities that fit our credit and profitability profile to continue to replace the payoffs and achieve some net growth in the RESG book. The other 2 big loan components, Community Banking, we think we will do better in growth in community banking next year. One of the reasons that salary costs have been going up is we've been adding staff and we'll continue to add staff in those community bank lending verticals. We feel like we're really getting well positioned to achieve a bit of accelerated growth in the community banking area.
That I suspect will be offset by more modest growth in the indirect marine and RV business. Those of you who monitor that sector from a dealer point of view will know in a manufacturer point of view, we'll know that sales of marine and RV equipment is down. And that's resulting in less consumer paper, which is where we are in the space. And yet the competition for that paper is pretty robust. So we are just like we've done in RESG as we faced a declining volume of opportunities and increased competition, we're holding very rigidly to our very strong credit standards on that paper.
We underwrite that in a very specific way so that we believe we'll achieve outcomes from that portfolio far better than the typical marine or RV portfolio outcome. We're going to hold those credit standards tight. We will not go below a certain pricing point. So I think we'll see a reduction in our growth in indirect marine and RV next year. I think we'll have nice growth, but well off the pace of growth we've had there.
I think you'll see that largely to some degree plus or minus some degree offset by increased growth in the community banking side. So we're not giving any specific growth guidance for next year. We would expect overall loan growth to be moderate, and I'll leave it at that for now for next year.
Great. That's really helpful color. Thank you, George.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Timur Braziler from Wells Fargo Securities. Your question please.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning.
Maybe just circling back to prior comments on the largest loan book to date at RESG, can you give us a little bit more color on that credit?
Well, I will tell you it was a loan in the Tampa area in Florida. It meets all of our standards for a really large credit. It has outstanding sponsorship. It is an incredibly exciting and well thought out and well to be well executed project based on what we've seen. So it meets our standards of being a high quality project with truly great sponsorship in a great market and we're very excited about it.
It's a very defensive structure. You can see the loan to value and loan to cost numbers in our tables. You'll notice that on the aggregate, most of the loans we originated or most of our volume in the quarter just ended was at even lower loan to value and loan to cost numbers than the portfolio. So we actually had a slight downtrend on our average loan to cost number for the portfolio last quarter because the things that paid off were slightly higher than the things that went on. So very conservative, high quality project with great sponsorship.
Okay. And was it condo or hotel?
It is actually a multiple of buildings that will include office, condo, apartment, retail, a parking facility and various other components. It's a very mixed use multi building project.
Okay. That's helpful. And then appreciate all the color around margin on the deposit side. Maybe just looking at the asset mix, what type of origination yields are you getting on the indirect RV marine paper, on the community paper and on the RESG?
Well, it varies quite a bit from loan to loan on the RESG side. Those are complex credits in some cases and straightforward and simple credits in others. And depending on the different credit type, the different market and the complex, the value we bring with our expertise to it, we get different pricing on different loans. But I'll tell you that really hasn't significantly changed this year. The pricing that we were getting early in the year is very similar to the pricing we're getting now there.
Obviously, the marine and RV pricing has come down over the course of the year. That is heavily affected by 5 year and 10 year type yield. And as the yield curve is flattened and dropped this year, that paper has come down. I think probably the typical paper we're getting is a mid-5s coupon. Of course, we're paying a premium for that to the dealer or the correspondent on that.
So we're looking at a probably a low-5s, high-4s, very high-4s net yield on that paper.
Okay, that's helpful. And then just one last one for me. It's now been a couple of years since Dan's departure from the bank. Just wondering if you can provide an update on how that transition has gone. Any or how the clients reacted?
Any kind of meaningful
today is the best, most capable RESG team working in the most collaborative effective manner that we've ever had. So we're thrilled to death with our team there. And Dan's departure was long ago, and that was an issue that was in the rearview mirror for us, the day after he left.
Understood. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Runnes from Raymond James.
Your question please.
Hey, good morning. In the management comments, you guys talked about a 4 pronged approach to turnarounds what has been, I think, 3 quarters in a row of net interest income decline. Can you elaborate on those a little bit more? And then as we move into 2020, you talked about some modest balance sheet growth. Do you actually think with the margin headwinds, and I know it depends on rates obviously, but do you actually think you can grow net interest income next year?
Thanks.
That's a good question, Michael, and time will tell on that, obviously, how many LIBOR how many Fed funds cuts we get, what the expectations reflected in forward LIBOR rates become as the rate scenario evolves, we'll have a big impact on that. We are working hard to get our deposit cost down, but we're doing that also in the context of really trying to achieve some qualitative shifts and adjustments in our deposit book as well. And we did that and the quarter just ended and we'll continue to do that and we think we'll get deposit costs down. I pretty much responded to the growth thing in response to Catherine's question. RESG is going to have to continue to stay disciplined and work really hard.
And as I said earlier, I'm super proud of our team for the job they did originating the volume they did in a very competitive environment where there are fewer loan opportunities out there that meet our high standards than there probably were 2 or 3 years ago. So they did a great job booking good quality business at good yield in the quarter just ended. If we can continue to do that and offset or more than offset the paydowns that will come from the RESG portfolio and have a decent margin of growth in RESG, that will certainly be helpful. We expect less growth, as I already detailed, probably in the marine RV space next year than this year. We expect more growth in the community bank space.
So obviously, there are a lot of variables. The future of interest rates being a big one there and the rate of decline in interest rate, all those factors play in. If the Fed cuts rates 1 or 2 more times and stops and we have an environment in 2020 where our loan yields are not dropping because that's not dropping rates and our deposit costs are declining and catching up with the decline in loan yields already, that would make for an improving picture if the Fed continues to lower rates throughout next year or through much of next year and our deposit cost reductions are always lagging the Fed action after starting off in a light position here this quarter, then that will be a more difficult position. So we'll see how it plays out.
Okay. And then maybe just one follow-up for me. In the comments again, no share repurchase program at this point. Get capital continues to build, probably will continue to build. What as we think about it in a post CECL world, I mean, where do you kind of see optimal capital levels?
I would assume that this is too high and that you think at some point in the future, you'll deploy some of that capital. But I think consistently, you guys have gotten the question about a buyback and return of capital. And just how should we think about all that? Thanks.
Hey, Michael, it's Tim. I would think about it as an active conversation that management and the Board have each quarterly Board meeting. Obviously, we've got very strong capital levels. We've never done a buyback for our 22 year history as a public company. We saw a lot of tremendous opportunities during the last downturn.
We were able to capitalize on those because we had such strong earnings and capital levels. We want to position ourselves to be able to capitalize on those opportunities if another downturn occurs. But as you pointed out, our capital levels continue to grow. And we'll continue to have the conversation at the Board level, and we'll update you when we change. If we do change, they may come to the same answer every meeting.
But as you said, we do have very strong capital levels, and I think that's a great position to be in right now. It allows us to have a lot of flexibility in our strategic planning going forward, and we're satisfied with our capital levels being at an elevated level right now.
And Michael, I would add to that. There's a diversity of opinion probably everywhere on what the right strategy is there. And to give an example of that, one of our substantial shareholders who had been a very strong advocate for stock repurchases for several quarters, calling me after the last earnings call and I was expecting him to once again articulate his belief we ought to quickly pursue a stock buyback. And I was very surprised when he said he wanted tell me that he had been thinking about it. And in light of the growing geopolitical tensions and political tensions in the U.
S. And economic uncertainty, he decided that we were taking the right approach and that accumulating more excess capital he thought was prudent in light of the fact that we have a demonstrated ability in economic downturns from the past to capitalize on significant opportunities, and he thought we would have that opportunity again. Nobody can be sure about that, but that was an interesting indicator to me from one of our shareholders who have been strongly in favor of it that he has now come around to the other side of the equation based on the geopolitical and uncertainty around the economic environment.
Our next question comes from the line of Matt Olney from Stephens.
Yes. Thank you. Good morning. I guess I want to go back to the RESG discussion. And a few years ago following the restructuring, I thought there was a focus to look at some loans in newer markets, markets that maybe were not top 5 in the country.
At the time, I thought this would result in the average loan size in RESG would be decreasing. But we're not seeing that. We're just seeing RESG do larger loans and of record size. So I'm curious what your expectations are as far as the average size of the RESG loans going forward?
Yes. That's a good question, Matt. And I would tell you both scenarios that you described there are playing out. We are originating loans. For example, our market presence in Philadelphia has increased.
Washington, where 3 or 4 years ago, we had zero presence, has become an important market for us. Boston, we've gotten several significant transactions on the board there. We've only occasionally had 1 or 2 there in the past. We've got some nice transactions in Minneapolis. We've got a transaction we're actually looking at in Detroit, which I've spent a day in Detroit not long ago and was quite impressed with the resurgence that's going on in certain parts of the city there.
And there are diversity of other markets that we are doing transactions in and those do tend on average in the more secondary or smaller markets tend to be smaller transactions. On the other hand, in a market where competition is intense and pricing is aggressive on a lot of middle sized transactions, where we add a lot of value is on very complex transactions that our expertise and ability to execute really makes it worth our customer paying our rates and our pricing and putting up with our low leverage deal structure to have us in the transaction because we bring value with our transactions and that's because we get great assets and really world class sponsorship on those big transactions because only big companies with great track record and big balance sheets and so forth can do those. So you get great sponsorship execution abilities. So I think it continues to be a mixture of both of those things. We did a transaction that was our largest ever in the quarter just ended.
At the same time, we had a $15,000,000 RESG transaction in a smaller market in loan committee this last week. So I think it really does reflect the fact that we are going into some markets doing transactions, smaller transactions in some secondary markets. At the same time, we're continuing to harvest on good opportunities, really primo opportunities that we get because of our expertise and execution ability.
Okay. That's great, George. Thank you. And then can you just give us an update on the South Carolina and North Carolina loans that we've discussed previously on these calls?
Yes. Of course, they're both in OREO as they were last quarter. We are working to liquidate those. We think we're making some good progress toward them. We don't have either one of them fully liquidated.
We've got several pieces of the North Carolina property under contract to sell. We've got some very serious interest in the South Carolina property, which we hope will result in the closing of the sale of that property. So we're working on them. Nothing adverse new, but we don't have them liquidated yet either.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the
line of
Arren Cyganovich from Citi. Your question please.
Thanks. I guess just getting back to the deposit discussion, I think in your management commentary, there's a section where it basically kind of makes the point that over time these changes in loan pricing and deposit pricing will kind of even out. Do you think that as we head into the Q4, you have some of that benefit, right, because you had your loan change in 3Q and you'll get a bit of a catch up in 4Q. Is it going to be a longer lag than that? Or I'm just trying to understand the pace of how that catch up might work.
Well, Aaron, I think that really depends on expectations and what the Fed does on rates. If the expectation is the Fed is going to cut rates, then that's going to keep LIBOR trending down. If the Fed actually does cut rates, that's going to cement that decline in LIBOR. And the future expectations further down. So we could have a situation for a while, particularly the Fed's cutting 2 quarters at a time where the decline in our loan yields continues to be lagged by our decline in deposit costs.
If on the other hand, the Fed cuts 1 or 2 more times and stops, then our deposit cost will catch up more quickly. We, I don't know, had a 13 or 15 or 17 quarter period where the Fed raised rates 9 times and over that period of time, I think there was a 4 basis point difference between our change in cost of interest bearing deposits and our change in non purchase loan yields, we would expect a similar very close correlation between the change in our cost of interest bearing deposits, non purchase loan yields over the full gamut of a Fed loosening period and including a couple of quarters or 3 quarters or so after the end to allow everything to catch up and normalize. So I don't know when the deposit cost catch up with the loan yields. But that's just going to depend, as I said earlier, on the number of Fed cuts, the period for all of that and how quickly they do that.
Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. And we've heard that there's been a little bit more interest from smaller banks in terms of M and A, a little bit more discussion from some other banks. Are you seeing that?
And I know you don't have much of a currency these days, but you are building capital and you may be able to do a little bit more cash. What's your view on the M and A environment currently?
Our focus really is internal and organic and really trying to improve and enhance advance the quality of what we're doing as a company every day. That's not to say that we wouldn't look at an M and A opportunity, but I think it would have to be something extremely compelling. And I think the better M and A opportunities will for us will be after the next downturn when the quality of our loan portfolio is fully demonstrated and that's reflected the quality of what we're doing is reflected in our stock price more significantly. And the aggressive lending that some of our other banks out there are doing is fully reflected in their results and their stock price is down and they're much more motivated sellers. So I don't see us engaging in M and A activity certainly the remainder of this year and probably not in next year and maybe not even the year following that.
I think that's a longer term proposition. We feel that the quality of our portfolio as it's reflected in our stock price today is greatly underappreciated. And the quality of some other banks that we see is greatly overappreciated because they're not concentrated, but we see what they're doing and we think that's not very sound. We would never do that. And we think in due time that dual realization of reality on both sides will make an opportunity for us to make acquisitions that make sense.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rauch Bagherli from UBS. Your question please.
Good morning. I was and most of my questions have been addressed. But in looking at your deposit composition, we're still you got the cost down, which was great, but it's still kind of driven by the higher cost deposits. And I know you've hired a deposit czar or something similar. But I'm wondering when you're going to be able to show more growth in kind of the lower cost categories.
Brock, I would tell you that's a significant 2020 goal. And there's a lot of effort being expended in that regard. And yes, we've not only hired a Chief Deposit Officer and built out a team of analysts and people in support of him. We've been significantly reevaluating how we greatly improve and position our community banking team and products and so forth for the future. So Cindy Wolfe, who's our Chief Banking Officer and Carmen McLennan, who's taken a significant role in our retail banking deposit side, operational side for the future.
The way we do digital services, call center, our online banking products, our existing portfolio banking products, all of that is undergoing a significant revamping that you'll see in the first half of twenty twenty. And we think that we've got a great plan there that will significantly improve the quality and quantity and cost of our deposit base in future years. Steps are being taken incrementally to make adjustments every really probably every month and every quarter. But the real significant revamp and redesign of all of that is going to appear and be implemented in 2020. And then you'll start seeing as 2020 rolls on some benefits from that.
In support of that, Cindy Wolfe, our Chief Banking Officer and Alan Jessup, our Director of Community Banking. Cindy is on the deposit and operational side, Alan is on the loan side, and a number of other people and I have visited every one of our 260 branch 260 offices, loan operations, deposit operations centers, LPOs, since between late November of last year mid September of this year. And we've asked our staff to recommend how we can improve our company. We've gotten hundreds and hundreds of recommendations on that. We've really implemented already hundreds of those recommendations.
And we've got from that and from visiting all of our markets and really getting down in the deepest fundamental long term strategy to have to really position ourselves for the next decade very well on the deposit side. So we're making some progress. We're going to make a lot more progress, but we're going to do that in the context of a really strategic long term plan for our retail banking operations. And that's all going forward at a very brisk cliff. There's a lot of work being done on it, but it's a big project.
Excellent. Okay, great. More than I bargained for. Are you in the meantime, are you opening any branches or really focusing on the network that you have?
We opened a branch in South Port Worth last quarter. We are opening a branch in South Dallas area this quarter, I think. We already have opened it. Already have opened it this quarter. Thank you.
We've got 3 branches. We're opening in the Metro Atlanta area. I think there's one more someplace down there.
Yes, that's it.
Okay. And then we've closed a few branches. We closed a redundant branch in Mobile, Alabama that was underperforming and similarly close to branches in Clarksville, Arkansas and Magnolia. Magnolia, Arkansas. And so we're as part of a review of all of our retail banking infrastructure, we've identified a few needs we have where we're opening branches.
We've identified few branches that we think are underperforming and not needed. I think we'll probably identify a few more along the way that we'll rationalize and get our structure where it will serve our customers.
Excellent. Okay. It's impressive. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Martin from Janney Montgomery. Your question please.
Good morning.
You might have your phone on mute.
Can you hear me now?
Yes. Yes.
Okay. Sorry about that, George. So I wonder, George, can you just comment at all, I know you talked about the your opportunistic ability in the community bank, your optimism, I should say, in the community banking environment next year just to kind of really see that ramp up. Can you just talk at all about some of the hires you've made or just any more I guess you're kind of looking to beef up on and how that may contribute to the growth outlook you have with the optimism? And maybe just geographically or by division or segment, you're kind of focused on or what you've seen a ramp up in?
Yes. We are adding folks in a variety of space. We've added a couple of folks in our business aviation group in the last 6 months or so. We're adding team members in our GG and L, our government guaranteed SBA lending group. We're adding a portion or 2 in affordable housing and charter school finance.
We've reallocated some internal resources to get a little more horsepower in our manpower in our subscription finance business. We are continuing to increasingly integrate our middle market CRE group that is our community banking CRE group that handles CRE loans in an RESG light sort of fashion. But it's not a miniature RESG, it's really an arm that is intended to facilitate and make sure that the quality of CRE we originate in our community bank is similar to the quality of real estate, commercial real estate we do in our RESG group. We're adding a few generalist lenders around in different markets and a lot of these specialty lending vertical guys around in different markets. We've added a couple of guys in homebuilder finance and that business continues to be good.
We are trimming some customers whose leverage ratios and inventory numbers are not meeting our standards. We're adding customers that have strong balance sheets and really good business models and good margins that are doing a good job managing their inventory and in markets where there's good growth. So it's just a broad based continuous adjustment of trying to add people where we see opportunity in different lines of business and curtail or reduce resources in areas where we see the opportunities waning.
Okay. I appreciate the color, George. Thanks so much.
Yes. I would add, Brian, that after visiting all of our offices in the last 11 months, taking a full inventory and understanding of every market in the company and our ability to meet the needs and the opportunities in those markets has really helped us fine tune our plans for allocating resources going forward where we think we'll get the maximum effect from that.
And we have a follow-up from the line of Matt Olney from Stephens. Your question please.
Yes. Thanks for taking the follow-up. I wanted to ask about your CECL disclosures and it sounds like you gave it to us in 2 parts in a management commentary. The first part seems pretty straightforward with the general allowance. But the second part of the CECL disclosure, I guess, is the liability for the unfunded commitments that seems to be more unique to Banco ZK.
Can you help us understand how this is going to work? And will that allowance set will that be separate from the overall allowance?
Brian, I don't think that is or Matt, I don't think that is unique to us. It's just more evident in our numbers because we with our construction and development portfolio, have a much bigger number of unfunded commitments than a lot of buybacks. So Greg, you want
to Yes. So Matt, obviously with the $11,000,000,000 plus of unfunded understates, we have to evaluate that. We have to over our projection period, forecast the funding of that and then run that through our models for purposes of allowance. From a balance sheet standpoint, that will reside in the liability section, not in the allowance section. So we broke those disclosures out.
In evaluating that, Matt, we really kind of ran multiple scenarios, looking at a reasonable optimistic, reasonable pessimistic type scenario, wave of scenarios to try to set bands around our expectations on where that lands on day 1, and that's what we've provided. That should tighten up somewhat as we move throughout Q4 and get ready to go live come Q1 of 2020. But yes, that will reside in the liability section. From an income statement standpoint, it all runs through provision. But dependent on whether you're talking about whether it's funded balances on balance sheet or whether you're talking about unfunded, it can land in a different spot on the balance sheet.
And I would Greg, let me clarify as far as running through provision. The adoption of CECL day 1 adjustment is all a It's a capital adjustment. It's a capital adjustment and the running through provision going forward
is a go forward. And I'm not showing any further questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to hand the program back to Mr. Gleason for any further remarks. All
right. Thank you guys very much. We appreciate you joining the call today. Thank you. We look forward to talking with you in about 3 months.
Thank you. Have a good day.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen,