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Earnings Call: Q4 2012

Sep 10, 2012

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2012 Palo Alto Networks Incorporated earnings conference call. My name is Chris, and I will be your conference moderator for today. Presently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will facilitate a question and answer session. At that time, you may press star followed by one to pose your question or a comment. If you experience any difficulties on the line, please press star followed by zero and an audio coordinator will be happy to assist you. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference over to your presenter for today, Ms. Maria Riley, investor relations with The Blueshirt Group. You may proceed.

Maria Riley
Investor Relations, The Blueshirt Group

Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Palo Alto Networks' fiscal fourth quarter 2012 results. This call is also being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed on the investor section of Palo Alto Networks' website at investors.paloaltonetworks.com. With me on today's call are Mark McLaughlin, Palo Alto Networks chairman, president, and CEO, and Steffan Tomlinson, chief financial officer. After the market closed today, Palo Alto Networks issued a press release announcing the results for its fiscal fourth quarter and year ended July 31, 2012. If you would like a copy of the release, you can access it online at the company's website, or you can call The Blueshirt Group at 415-217-7722, we will email you a copy.

We would like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, Palo Alto Networks management will make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our ability to sell additional products and services to existing customers, our ability to extend our leadership position in next-generation network security and increase our market share, trends in connection with the duration of service agreements, plans regarding our short and long-term target operating model, including targets for gross margins, operating income, research and development, sales and marketing, and general administrative expenses, and our long-term effective tax rate. Expectations regarding our growth rate relative to the growth rates of other market participants, our effective tax rate for fiscal 2013, and our revenue and non-GAAP earnings per share for the first quarter of fiscal 2013, ending October 31, 2012.

These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements. These forward-looking statements apply as of today. You should not rely on them as representing our views in the future. We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call. For a more detailed description of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our final prospectus filed with the SEC on July 20, 2012, as well as our earnings release posted a few minutes ago on our website. Also, please note that certain financial measures we use on this call are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges.

We have provided reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures in the investor section of our website, located at investors.paloaltonetworks.com, and in our earnings press release. Now I'd like to introduce Mark McLaughlin, chairman, president, and chief executive officer of Palo Alto Networks. Mark?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you, Maria. Thank you all for joining us for our first earnings conference call as a public company. I'm delighted to be here today to share with you our achievements in our fiscal fourth quarter and fiscal 2012. Fiscal 2012 was a very exciting year for Palo Alto Networks. We significantly expanded our customer base, were named a leader in enterprise firewalls by Gartner, released multiple new offerings to the market, continued to attract the world's best and brightest in network security to our team, successfully completed our IPO, and achieved impressive financial performance on both the top and bottom lines.

We also had a very successful fiscal fourth quarter, adding Mark Anderson as our new head of worldwide field operations, opening our new offices in São Paulo, Brazil and Mexico City, earning NSS Labs recommendation in their next generation firewall group test, expanded our technology partner program with Avaya for data center solutions, as well as with MobileIron and Zenprise for mobility solutions, and achieving the ICSA certification for our appliances. We're very proud of all that we accomplished this past quarter and this past year. I'd like to thank all the team members at Palo Alto Networks for their hard work and results. I'll turn now to some highlights on our financial results. We had a strong fiscal fourth quarter in fiscal 2012. In our fiscal fourth quarter, we generated record revenue of approximately $76 million, which represents 88% year-over-year growth and approximately 15% sequential growth.

We delivered non-GAAP EPS of $0.03 per diluted share. For fiscal 2012, we increased revenue by 115% year-over-year to $255 million, as we continue to demonstrate that we are a rapidly growing share in a very large addressable market. In fiscal 2012, we generated approximately $18 million in non-GAAP operating income, which is a $24 million increase year-over-year. Our technology differentiation continues to drive our customer growth. During the fiscal fourth quarter, we added over 1,000 new end customers, bringing our customer count to over 9,000. This is the third consecutive quarter in which we added over 1,000 customers. These new customers were across all verticals and geographies as we continue to focus on our land, expand, and extend strategy to drive results and fuel our growth.

For example, in the fourth quarter, we replaced two of our major competitors with our PA-5000 Series to become the primary firewall for a major European utility. Additionally, we became the primary firewall for one of the leading U.S. universities, replacing a different competitor, also with our PA-5000 Series. For this customer, we also provided them with our real-time threat prevention engine and comprehensive URL filtering services. We also expanded our relationship with a Fortune 100 global manufacturer based in the U.S. At this customer, we won the primary perimeter firewall business eight quarters ago, and this quarter we expanded our presence to the data center as well as to multiple additional sites. On the extend side, one of the leading consulting companies in the world bought us as a URL filtering solution about five quarters ago.

In the fiscal fourth quarter, we expanded our presence as the customer deployed us as their global primary firewall, replacing one of the largest incumbent security firewall providers. These examples illustrate that the lifetime value of our customer base continues to grow and provide future opportunity. These deepening relationships result in our customers deploying Palo Alto Networks as their strategic network security vendor and is a testament to our innovative and disruptive technology, which is transforming the enterprise network security space. Security is a long-term growth industry because of the ever-increasing and rapidly changing threat environment, which is in part due to the surge in applications used across corporate networks from macro technology trends like mobility, SaaS, cloud computing, and the consumerization of IT.

While these trends and associated applications can drive productivity, they can also greatly increase the threat landscape for enterprises due to the legacy network security technologies' inability to safely enable the use of those applications. Until the advent of Palo Alto Networks' next generation of network security, companies were forced to either allow the use of these applications and suffer the security consequences or block the applications and suffer the productivity consequences. By using our technology, customers are not forced to make that trade-off, as a result, we are at the confluence of major technology trends that make our offerings timely, relevant, defensible, and highly differentiated. This is unlike legacy stateful inspection firewall technology, which simply can't keep up with today's changing environment. We're also uniquely positioned with a platform that addresses all enterprise network security requirements.

This allows us to address the entire enterprise network security market, which is over $10 billion annually and growing. We believe that our competitive lead continues to grow with each new product introduction. Palo Alto Networks has transformed network security, customers all around the world recognize the benefits of our solution to solve their pressing network security needs. We look forward, we'll continue to be aggressive in maintaining our technology advantage, increasing our market share, and ensuring the highest levels of customer satisfaction. We operate in a very large market and believe we can continue to capture market share with increasing leverage in the business over the next few years. I'd now like to turn the call over to Steffan for a detailed look at our financial results. Steffan?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you, Mark, and thank you all for joining us today. I'd like to mention that unless specifically noted otherwise, we're discussing all numbers except revenue on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes share-based compensation expense and, where relevant, its related tax effects. In Q4 2012, total revenue grew to a record $75.6 million, an increase of 88% year-over-year and 15% sequentially. For fiscal 2012, we reported record revenue of $255.1 million, a 115% increase over the prior year. In Q4 2012, product revenue of $49.4 million grew 70% year-over-year and approximately 14% sequentially, driven by sales of our series of appliances. Services revenue of $26.2 million increased 135% year-over-year and 18% sequentially. Services revenue, which is comprised of both subscription and support, accounted for 34.6% of total revenue, an increase of 80 points sequentially and 690 basis points year-over-year.

This is in line with our expectations and underscores the power of our hybrid revenue model as it provides enhanced visibility. The geographic mix of revenue was 66% Americas, 21% EMEA, and 13% APAC, with all theaters posting growth on a year-over-year and sequential basis. Total non-GAAP gross margin in Q4 2012 was 71.9%, a 10 basis point decrease year-over-year and flat sequentially. A mix of higher margin appliances contributed to Q4 2012 non-GAAP product gross margin reaching 74.8%, up 150 basis points year-over-year and up 120 basis points sequentially. Our non-GAAP services gross margin was 66.6%, compared to 68.6% in the prior quarter and 68.4% in the same period a year ago, reflecting our continued investment in our support organization.

We'll continue to see fluctuations in both product and services gross margins due to product mix and investments we're making to support continued strong new customer acquisition. Moving on to operating expenses. We continue to invest in product development and expanding our sales and marketing organization. Q4 2012 non-GAAP research and development expense was $10.2 million, an increase of $1.2 million from the prior quarter, primarily related to program spend and headcount additions. As a percentage of revenue, non-GAAP R&D expense was 13.5%, a decrease of 20 basis points sequentially. Q4 2012 non-GAAP sales and marketing expense was $35.5 million, an increase of $6.2 million from the prior quarter. As a percentage of revenue, it was 46.9%, an increase of 230 basis points sequentially, primarily due to headcount and related expenses as we expand our footprint as well as end-of-year accelerators.

Q4 2012 non-GAAP G&A expense was $6.4 million, an increase of $1.2 million from the prior quarter, primarily due to the increased cost of being public. As a percentage of revenue, it was 8.4%, an increase of 60 basis points sequentially. In total, Q4 2012 non-GAAP operating expenses were $52.1 million or 68.9% of revenue. Q4 2012 non-GAAP operating margin was 3.1%, up 1,420 basis points year-over-year, and as planned, down 270 basis points sequentially. Given the market opportunity and our traction, we intend to continue to invest in our sales and marketing, support, and R&D organizations, while also demonstrating progress toward our target model. For fiscal 2012, we reported total non-GAAP operating expenses of $167.5 million, or 65.7% of revenue, and non-GAAP operating margin of 7%.

Our tax provision for the quarter was approximately $0.3 million, consisting of federal and state income taxes in the U.S. and income taxes in foreign jurisdictions in which we conduct business. For fiscal 2012, our tax provision was approximately $2.1 million, and our non-GAAP effective tax rate was 12.4%. In fiscal 2013, we expect a non-GAAP effective tax rate of 34%-39%, depending on our global pre-tax profit mix and excluding any potential discrete items, such as the removal of our domestic valuation allowance. In Q4 2012, we began the first steps of implementing our corporate international structure to more closely align with the international nature of our business activities, which we expect will improve our annual effective tax rate over the long term. Non-GAAP net income for Q4 2012 was approximately $1.9 million or $0.03 per diluted share using 35.5 million shares.

This compares to non-GAAP net income of $4.7 million or $0.07 per diluted share in fiscal Q3 2012, and non-GAAP net loss of $5.1 million or $0.34 per basic and diluted share in fiscal Q4 2011. For fiscal 2012, we reported non-GAAP net income of $14.7 million or $0.14 per diluted share, compared with a net loss of $7.8 million or $0.55 per basic and diluted share in fiscal 2011. On a GAAP basis for Q4 2012, net loss was $4.6 million or $0.18 per basic and diluted share. For fiscal 2012, we reported GAAP net income of $0.7 million or $0.00 per basic and diluted share. Before I discuss our balance sheet, I'd like to review our target operating model that we expect to achieve in approximately three to four years.

On a non-GAAP basis, we anticipate gross margin to be in the 70%-73% range. As a percentage of revenue, we anticipate non-GAAP R&D to be 13%-15%, sales and marketing 30%-33%, and G&A 5%-6%. We anticipate this will lead to a non-GAAP operating income margin in the range of 22%-25%. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished July with cash and cash equivalents of $323 million, which includes $215 million in net proceeds from our initial public offering. In fiscal year 2012, cash flow from operations was $77 million, free cash flow was $63 million, and free cash flow margin was approximately 25%. Cash flows benefit from our hybrid revenue model, in which we bill for our services at the beginning of the engagement, and we collect the cash shortly thereafter.

We ended Q4 with $45.6 million of accounts receivable, up from the Q3 2012 balance of $38.8 million. Average day sales outstanding were 50 days, at the lower end of our target range of 50-55 days. Moving down the balance sheet, our hybrid revenue model helped increase total deferred revenue to $135.8 million, or an increase of 102% year-over-year and 16% sequentially. Short-term deferred revenue of $86.3 million increased 15% sequentially. The majority of our service engagements are on an annual basis, but we are seeing an uptick in multi-year deals. Let me now turn to our Q1 2013 guidance. We expect revenue to be in the range of $80 million-$84 million and non-GAAP EPS to be approximately $0.03 per share, using 80 million-82 million shares on a diluted basis.

Year-over-year, this represents revenue growth of 40%-47% when compared to a very strong comp in Q1 2012, which was up 42% sequentially due to the timing of certain large orders. On a bottom-line basis, the change in share count and in taxes will impact EPS in the first quarter by about $0.01 a share when compared to the immediately preceding quarter. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Mark.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Steffan. In summary, we had a very strong quarter to close a very exciting year for Palo Alto Networks. Revenue grew significantly, both on a quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year basis, as we continued to outpace the market. With that, Steffan and I would be happy to take any questions you may have. Operator, I'll turn it over to you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you wish to pose a question or a comment, please press star, followed by one. I repeat, to pose a question or a comment, please press star, followed by one. Please limit your questions to one question, one main question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from the line of Keith Weiss with Morgan Stanley. You may proceed.

Keith Weiss
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Excellent. Very nice quarter, guys. Thank you for taking the question. When looking at the revenue by geo, it looks like Europe slowed down more so than the other geographies. Any sort of rising macro impact that you're seeing from that region, or any color you could give us on the apparent slowdown in Europe?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. Hey, Keith, it's Mark. Big picture-wise, when we look across the globe, the first thing we think about is the fact of what segment we serve, which is security, which is something that's becoming less and less of a discretionary spend and more important for folks to buy. We think there's just general headwind or a general uplift, just because of the segment we serve. When you start to look on a geographic basis, in EMEA, which is how we think about it, Europe's a subcomponent of that. We had good year-over-year sequential growth, and we had quarter-over-quarter sequential growth. It's modest, but we are growing there. Also, it's off a relatively small base of the business when we think about Europe itself, between Northern and Southern Europe, a lot of the problems we hear in Southern Europe.

If we take all that into the mix, we think that Europe is still a growth sector for the business. We like the fact that it grew quarter-over-quarter. We like the fact that it grew year-over-year, and we think we can significantly outpace the market over there.

Keith Weiss
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. The follow-up would be, understanding that the October quarter is a really difficult comp and kind of abnormal growth versus much higher growth rate you saw in October 2011 than you saw in the rest of the year. Can you give us some kind of idea of either sort of what we should be thinking about in terms of revenue growth for the full year, or maybe give us an idea about seasonality, and what would be a more normal seasonality to expect off of that $80 million-$84 million guide that you gave us for Q1?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, sure. I'll take the first part and hand off Steffan for the second part. Just a big picture. We're not providing full-year guides. We're giving out a quarter in advance on the guidance side. If you think about the point that you raised, which is if you look at the comp to last year, we like the fact that we think we've got healthy guides here in the range of 6%-11%. You got to look back a year ago on a quarter where we had a 42% quarter-over-quarter increase. It's probably the most difficult comp we're ever going to have on this. We have to take that into account. If you would take the second part of that.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. As far as you look at the overall trajectory for the year, while we're not providing guidance for the full year, we expect to continue to grow market share and as evidenced by the number of new customers that we've added, and we anticipate to continue to add new customers to the funnel. We're not providing quarterly guidance, but by definition, it's market share gain, and that's what we're looking at doing for the balance of the year.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Greg Dunham with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.

Greg Dunham
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yes, thanks for taking my question. The first question I have, switching gears, Mark Anderson obviously just joined, and is leading the Field Operations today. How should that impact the business, and what have you kind of learned thus far in him joining the team?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. Hey, Greg. Thanks for joining us. A couple things. First is that we created a new organization with Mark coming on board, which was Field Operations. We combined for the first time sales and customer support, and the reason we did that was really trying to get a holistic view of the customer, plus just a great experience from the customer from the time we're selling something to them all the way through their continued support. That feeds back into the sales cycle as well because of the expand and extend. If they're having a great experience with us, they tend to buy more, they tend to buy more faster. The first thing is just Mark with his experience of being able to run the combined organization like that and having that viewpoint.

The second thing with Mark's background from F5, he took that company as the head of sales from about $250 million to well over $1 billion in sales and revenue. We have a very analogous sort of trajectory here at the company, so we want to make sure we have somebody who's been to that play before, and all the indications in his first 90 days here of working with the team are that he's bringing a lot of that experience and discipline to the table.

Greg Dunham
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I guess a follow-up would be, or two quick follow-ups. You again added north of 1,000 customers. My expectation would be that the momentum in the business within the install base is continuing to pick up. How has the mix of business from new customers versus existing evolved, and how should we think about kind of new customer adds as we go forward?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, that's a great question. We haven't broken out the business that's coming from the new customers versus the expand customers. Basically, there's a good balance between the two. The way we think about things is the lifetime value of the customer. We think that's most important, and we're trying to grow that through the land, expand, and extend. The land is our funnel. We expand and extend, and that grows the lifetime value of the customer. Both of those are doing very well for us. This is our third quarter in a row where we've added over 1,000 customers in a quarter. That's the land aspect to it. When you look at the LTV aspect, which is the expand and extend, when we were on the road, we said that on average, the customer base purchases three times their initial purchase.

The top 25 purchases eight times their initial purchase. Well, those numbers continue to grow for us, the model's firing on both those cylinders.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joel Fishbein with Lazard. You may proceed.

Joel Fishbein
Analyst, Lazard Capital Markets

Hey, good quarter, guys. Thanks for taking my question. First, on the support side of the organization, you guys have scaled massively, bringing on new customers. Can you talk about what you guys doing to scale the support operation to handle the service levels for your customers?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

That's a great question, Joel. When we think about our customer support organization, we have a first customer principle, which makes very clear to us that we are giving the best level of customer service we can. We've added over 3,000 customers in the last nine months

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

The types of investments we're making are in the area of personnel, of systems, and for also global depots, which are being deployed in order to provide real-time exchanges of product when necessary and making sure that we are as close to the customer as we can be. We pride ourselves on differentiating our customer support versus the competition.

Joel Fishbein
Analyst, Lazard Capital Markets

Great. Just as a follow-up, in terms of lead times, how have the lead times changed over the past, call it, couple of quarters to the customers? That'd be great.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Lead times have been stable. We have a standard, call it two-week lead time once we receive an order, that's been stable.

Joel Fishbein
Analyst, Lazard Capital Markets

Okay.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Joel.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Walter Pritchard with Citi. You may proceed.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

Couple questions. Steffan, on revenue and sort of the billings calculation, it looks like your deferred sort of all year has grown faster than it did a year ago on an absolute basis. In the fourth quarter, it looks like it was sort of even to actually a little bit less growth than you saw a year. That results in billings, it looked like it slowed from over 100% or around 100% each quarter in the first three to around 56% or 57%. I'm just wondering, how should we think about the trend? What's driving that trend, and how should we think about that trend going forward?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

I think it's most important to note that we are primarily a book and ship business. We have a component of our revenues that are SaaS-based, which is our subscription revenue, which provides enhanced visibility, which is why you saw services as a percentage of total revenue increase to 34.6%. When you think about trending, deferred revenue, given the subscription element, should be increasing because it's booked up front, but it's recognized ratably. We have customer support and maintenance that gets booked up front and recognized ratably. The billings metric is not a metric that we actually track internally. It's something that if you use the industry-standard convention around current quarter revenue, plus change in deferred, you get to about $95 million in billings, I should say. That's something that it's an output of math. It's not something that we track internally.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

We do see that deferred revenue should be increasing, and billings will be whatever the billings are.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

On the product line, any update? I know the PA-200's been out now for two, three quarters. Any update on how that product's doing, and any thoughts of actually introducing a product that's below that in terms of price point?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, it's selling very well, Walter. We came out with the very high and very low, both of those are doing nicely. You can see in our product gross margins the impact of the higher-end product sales. Product margin's doing very nicely. When we think about serving the enterprise, we always think about all the way from the big data centers all the way down to the branch office. The PA-200's filled a very nice market need for us there, and we think about whether to bring out something lower than that, and we'll take that into consideration based on the customer input.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thank you.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Walter.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Phil Winslow with Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Phil Winslow
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi. Thanks, guys. Just wanted to get a sense for what you're seeing in terms of just average deal size right now, and then also in terms of just the maintenance and then also the subscription, just attach and renewal rates. Just curious what trends you're seeing there as well. Thanks.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. On an average deal size basis, Phil, we said earlier, we tend to look at lifetime value as more important to that, but so we just use rough and ready math from a deal size perspective. If you took just all the total revenue in the company since its inception, it's about $440 million and 9,000 customers. You can kind of get to the average deal size. We don't think that tells us a heck of a lot because some of our very largest customers started off with very small purchases and have grown into multimillion-dollar customers. That's a way to look at it, that increases over time or has been increasing over time. On the attach rate, Phil, we break that into two categories. Services for us are the subscription services and also the maintenance services.

The maintenance services are close to 100%, as you can imagine on that, the attach rates for the subscription services really depend on the use case and then how long the service has been out. The two services with the highest attach rate are threat prevention and URL filtering. They've been out the longest in very defined use cases. Usually when we sell a product, we're getting one to two attaches of services to it.

Phil Winslow
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Great. Thanks, guys, and congrats.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Phil.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Kvaal with Barclays. You may proceed.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks, Mark, Steffan. I was wondering, would you mind telling us a little bit more about what happened in the quarter last year at this time that drove the sequential increase? That might help us if we could think about what maybe a more normalized quarter last year would be. That way, we could think more about what seasonality might be through the balance of the year.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Certainly. In Q1 of last year, on a sequential basis, revenues grew $17 million, or 42% quarter-on-quarter, That was due in large part to timing of some certain large orders and contribution from the federal government business. The growth rate was very steep, obviously 42% sequentially, That kind of set a new baseline for the company from which to grow. This quarter, we factored in a number of things In terms of calculating what we think is an appropriate level from a revenue range, from a guidance standpoint, and we factor a number of things into that calculation, and we feel comfortable that a 6%-11% sequential increase or 40%-47% year-over-year increase will continue to establish us as the clear market share gainer as we look at taking more market share away from the competition.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

Would it be too much, Stefan, to read into your statements that after we get through this quarter, that the year-over-year growth rates would go up again in, say, the January quarter?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

That's a good question. We're not providing guidance more than one quarter out. As I said in an earlier statement, our goal is to continue to take market share. If you look at both the product and services growth rates, when you compare Palo Alto Networks to the competitive landscape, we're growing much faster than the competition on both a quarter-to-quarter and year-over-year basis.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Would you consider breaking out the services and software revenue from your services all-in bucket line item?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Not at this point.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

The subscription, I meant. Yeah.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. Not at this point. As a reminder, our services line is comprised of subscriptions and maintenance, and they're both ratable in nature, and we're not breaking them out.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Finally, could you talk about what you've seen in the competitive landscape? I think Cisco has perhaps just recently launched the next generation firewall. Have you seen that in the market yet?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

No, we haven't, Jeff. I think the thing I'm most familiar with Cisco announced is probably what you're talking about, the last RSA Conference last year, which was sort of a blade concept to enable some application blocking. We don't consider that next generation firewall technology because it can't safely enable applications. That's all we've seen.

Jeff Kvaal
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. As far as you're concerned, everything is steady. I think Cisco has a new ASA CX box out there. We'll take it offline. Okay, thank you.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thill with UBS. You may proceed.

Brent Thill
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Mark, you've had strong momentum in the government business. I was just curious if you could give us all an update from what you're seeing, especially as we go into obviously an important time in the U.S., and what you're seeing globally, and had one quick follow-up for Stefan.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, sure. The public sector, and particularly the federal government on the DoD side of things, has been a strong vertical for us. No vertical at all represents more than about 13% of our overall business, so we're spread out pretty nicely. That's been a good one and a growing one for us. If you think about what we do for a living and what they do for a living, it seems like a great combination, and we see that in our results.

Brent Thill
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Stefan, you mentioned uptake in multi-year deals. Can you just give us a sense of what you're seeing and what % of those deals are now going into the multi-year bucket?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Well, that's a great question. The vast majority is still annual, the guidance or the color commentary that we gave in the prepared remarks was we are seeing multi-year deals being typically three-year deals, and at times, while it's on the margin, five-year deals that may come into the mix. You can look at the short-term deferred revenue, and it's a good proxy for the split between short and long-term. While we're seeing an uptick, the majority is still annual.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Turits with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, guys. A little bit more on the competitive side. You mentioned about Cisco, other major competitors, whether they include Juniper or Check Point, any change in the competitive dynamic? Any catching up that either of those competitors could possibly be doing that would make it any tougher for you to close displacements?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Hey, Michael. It's Mark. No, we just haven't seen that in the market. I know there's a lot of stepped-up marketing going on, just from a technology perspective, we haven't seen any new releases or introductions by anybody that indicates they're closing the gap. I think you can see from the number of new customers we're adding, I think the market would agree with that.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

Then just sort of housekeeping, can you tell us where your ending headcount was and a little bit about where you might think you'd be growing headcount in the next year, and also what to expect in terms of CapEx for the next year?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Certainly. On the headcount front, we ended at 755 headcount, that came off of the prior quarter at 690. Where we're going to be making investments is really kind of tracking to innovation, which is for product development. Our go-to-market organization and our field operations, we're going to be adding sales and marketing professionals, then also in product management. There will be other growth across other parts of the organization as well, but those are the primary ones. As far as CapEx is concerned, for the quarter, we spent approximately. Let me just catch it here. About $3.2 million and $3.3 million in CapEx for Q4 2012. I'll call that normal baseline that you could look at from a modeling standpoint going forward.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

If I could just have a follow-up on that. That headcount is a slower sequential add than you've had previously. Should that be the new expectation for baseline for sequential headcount add, or was it slower this quarter for some reason?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

No, Michael, we were adding about 75 to 100 per quarter. I think the distinction here is that that's actual FTE. If we take the butts in chairs plus folks who accepted offers, haven't yet started. If we're using the actual number of chairs as Devin's number. If we take the offers accepted, they would have been higher. If you use 75 to 100 a quarter, you're going to be in the right ballpark.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

Great. Thanks a lot.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jayson Noland with Robert Baird. You may proceed.

Jayson Noland
Analyst, Robert Baird

Great. Thank you. Steffan, just to clarify, you're expecting a normal federal flush for FQ1?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, we take into consideration a number of things. As you would expect, federal government should be strong for us in fiscal Q1.

Jayson Noland
Analyst, Robert Baird

Any surprises by vertical on the quarter just completed?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Really no surprises. Again, we remain very horizontally distributed. There's no concentration from a vertical standpoint. We felt very good about the balanced nature of the revenues.

Jayson Noland
Analyst, Robert Baird

Anything you guys can say about the managed security service provider market, MSSP, now or in the future as an opportunity?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, it's a good opportunity for us, Jayson. We're actually been working quite well for quite some time with all the leading providers there. The way we view that is, those folks are going to manage network infrastructures for companies who want to make sure that they can manage Palo Alto on the customer's behalf. I think if you go through the list of all the major MSS providers out there, we're working with all of them right now.

Jayson Noland
Analyst, Robert Baird

Okay. Thank you.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yep.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Ho with William Blair. You may proceed.

Jonathan Ho
Analyst, William Blair

Good afternoon. Starting off, can you characterize for us maybe how you think about the pipeline of opportunities this quarter and maybe what levers could potentially drive upside, or some risk to the quarter as you look at the pipeline?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. I'd say, Jonathan, it's Mark. From a pipeline perspective, maybe not surprisingly, we look at that as we've got our targets in mind about what we think we're going to sell for the quarter. We've got a pipeline coverage ratio that's something X times bigger than that. That has been working very consistently for the company for a number of years about what those numbers actually equate to from a sales perspective. It is possible for us if we put more marketing dollars at work, we found that we can drive a bigger pipeline. The problem with that is just the ability to actually, on a high-quality manner, go close the deals then. We certainly don't want to be under on the pipeline coverage, and we don't want to be over on the pipeline coverage because that tends to be wasted money in the quarter.

We think we've got a pretty good fine-tuned model here to get the right coverage.

Jonathan Ho
Analyst, William Blair

Got it. Just relative to prior quarters, some of our discussions have suggested that more and more folks are viewing you as not just an application control blade or application control box, but also looking at this as an edge of network firewall displacement. Can you maybe characterize for us whether there's been a shift towards more people buying this as a firewall or what that general trend looks like?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah, that's a great question. We know that over half of our installations right now, we're the primary firewall, and we also know, and we track this fairly closely in Salesforce.com stuff in the field, that more than half of our sales right now are sold as a primary firewall. We know that's happening out in the market and has been happening for quite some time. On the flip side is when we're not that, if you think of the times when we're not that's not bad either, because we're the only provider in the market who can go in as whatever the need is for enterprise network security whether it's IPS or web gateway, it doesn't really matter.

Historically, we've shown that sort of no matter how you get in the door, we ultimately get the chance and a high degree of the time become the firewall. We're very patient on that, and our experience shows it's working.

Jonathan Ho
Analyst, William Blair

Great. Thank you.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Jonathan.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Shebly Seyrafi with FBN Securities. You may proceed.

Shebly Seyrafi
Analyst, FBN Securities

Your sales and marketing percentage of revenues, it has been increasing the last several quarters. Can you give us an idea where you expect that to go longer term? It's actually over the next year or so. You have a long-term target around 30%-33%, but right now it's at 47%. You're investing for growth. You want to gain share against the competition. Just give us a handle on where you see sales and marketing percent, for example, over the next few quarters.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

I'll take that one. This is Steffan. It's a good question. We've kind of given you two effectively bookends where we are today in our target model of 30%-33%. What you're asking for is the equivalent of us guiding for the next couple of quarters, and we're not going to be providing guidance on that. If you were to look at, I would say a normal trend where we get to the 30%-33% over a multi-year period, there's going to be some fluctuations, in the next, call it 12-18 months. Directionally, that is the key line in our operating expenses that will be providing the most leverage in our business. We're going to be getting there through increased sales productivity. The fact that we have close to 800 channel partners who will be becoming more productive.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

We have new product introductions coming out, our market share goals, et cetera. The fact that we're growing faster than the market right now, we feel comfortable with sales and marketing being at these levels. We will be disciplined in the sense of how we are dividing territories, how we're growing the sales organization, et cetera. The directional trend will be down, but there will be some fluctuations in the near term.

Shebly Seyrafi
Analyst, FBN Securities

Okay. Your product gross margin, conversely, has been increasing the last several quarters, and now it's almost 75%. You've mentioned before that part of this is due to the mix shift to higher-end boxes. Do you expect that trend to continue going forward? Should we think perhaps around 75% is the baseline for your product gross margin?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Product gross margins were strong this quarter. We were very excited about it. It's a little too soon to make a judgment call around if this is establishing a new level for the near term. There will always be product mix depending on our customers' needs. What we talked about during our IPO roadshow was, a couple of quarters ago, we introduced our PA-200 series of appliance, which is for the branch office. We're going to be coming out with new products as well over the year, so there'll be product mix shifts. I will also tell you, though, that in the face of pretty strong competition, we have not had to go down the discounting route either. The product gross margins are a good indication that we are competing on technological value and differentiation.

Shebly Seyrafi
Analyst, FBN Securities

Okay. Thank you.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Thanks, Shebly.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tal Liani with Bank of America. You may proceed.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, guys. Can you hear me?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yes, we can.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi. Two questions. You mentioned you have 800 channel partners. From your numbers, it looks like you've been growing this number substantially. Can you just discuss how much was it, how many channel partners you had a year ago, and how do you manage the channel conflict and things that come with the increase in channel partners?

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Sure.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Let's start with that, and then I have one more question.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Yeah. We have a bit over 800 channel partners right now. We've added close to 200 in the last 18 to 24 months, call it. You could expect us to continue to grow at that rate. That is actually not a lot, relative to the world and then if you look at some of the competitors. We have a real quality versus quantity view around this. We want our channel partners to not only sell our products but provide some value-added services on their own as well. We're fairly selective who those folks are, and then we hold them to a very high standard as far as their programs that we're running with them. They're performing well, and I think they're making good money with us.

From a channel conflict perspective, the best way we do that is we have a really rigorous deal registration program. We're very careful about somebody who comes in, which deal is whose. Then we protect the partner downstream as well, meaning that it's not just the initial sale, but it's follow-on sales as well. If you're working with, you get a chance to make good money for a long-term basis with the customer. That's why when I say the quantity, quality thing is important, we want to make sure that we're working with people who are going to be around for a while, have a good base of training and understanding of our technology, and can get really good high customer satisfaction scores.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Mm-hmm. You mentioned that you have a target expense ratio for sales and marketing of 30%-33% long term. What kind of revenues you need to have in order to get to this ratio?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Tal, this is Steffan. How we are looking at that is more time-based as opposed to revenue-based. What we've told folks is three to four years from today, we should be able to achieve those targets. When you do your modeling, you should take that into consideration.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Are you going to get there through cutting the cost, or you're going to get there through revenue? The question is, what should we assume that the run rate needs to be in order to get there? Because I assume you're only going to increase the number of channel partners. You're not going to reduce them.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Well, Tal, it's a combination. Obviously, we're going to be growing revenues over the years, and we are about a 3% market share player right now. The market is $10 billion-plus and growing, our desire is to continue to gain market share. By definition, our top-line revenue will grow. Our expenses in terms of absolute dollars will grow, but in terms of percentage of revenue, we'll get leverage from revenue growth and disciplined investing.

Tal Liani
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities. You may proceed.

Rob Owens
Analyst, Pacific Crest Securities

Great. Thanks, and good afternoon, guys. Could you talk about linearity in the quarter? I think DSO is at 60 days, if I remember correctly. Do you typically see better linearity given the fiscal year shifted one month? How did the July quarter shape up?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

This is Steffan. DSOs were 50 days, at the lower end of our target range of 50-55. They did increase sequentially, but they were also down year-over-year. Linearity in the quarter, we didn't see anything abnormal. Q4 tends to have, from just an orders standpoint, but half the business comes in the last month of the quarter. That's very typical with companies in our space. We didn't see anything really different in terms of linearity.

Rob Owens
Analyst, Pacific Crest Securities

Great. Second, relative to your deferred revenue, is there any deferred product revenue in there, and can you quantify it?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

There is very little product deferred revenue.

Rob Owens
Analyst, Pacific Crest Securities

So less-

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

We're not bifurcating it between product and services, but the vast majority is services.

Rob Owens
Analyst, Pacific Crest Securities

Under 10%, would be correct?

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

Product deferred revenue is under 10%.

Rob Owens
Analyst, Pacific Crest Securities

Great. Thank you.

Steffan Tomlinson
CFO, Palo Alto Networks

You're welcome.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Mark McLaughlin for any closing remarks.

Mark McLaughlin
Chairman, President, and CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Great. Thanks a lot. We thank you for being on the call with us today. I want to reiterate my appreciation for all the hard work of the Palo Alto team in support of our customers and partners as we continue to revolutionize the IT security market, and we look forward to updating you next quarter. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you so much for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.