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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 3, 2022

James Hart
VP of Investor Relations, Progyny

Thank you, Matthew, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our third quarter conference call. With me today are Peter Anevski, CEO of Progyny, Michael Sturmer, President, and Mark Livingston, CFO. We will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your questions.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our comments and responses to your questions today are management's views as of today only and will include statements related to our financial outlook for both the fourth quarter and full year 2022, and the assumptions and drivers underlying such guidance, including the impact of our sales season, client launches and our expected utilization rates and mix, our anticipated number of clients and covered lives for 2023, the impact of COVID-19, including variants on our business, clients, member activity, and industry operations, the impact of any shortages or disruptions in the pharmacy medication supply chain on our business and our financial condition, our ability to acquire new clients and retain and upsell existing clients, our market opportunity, size, and expectation of long-term growth, our plans for the expansion of our business, including expansion into other markets and of services offered, our business performance, industry outlook, strategy, future investments, plans and objectives, which are forward-looking statements under the federal securities laws.

Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business, as well as other important factors. For a discussion of the material risks, uncertainties, and other important factors that could impact our actual results, please refer to our SEC filings and today's press release, both of which can be found on our investor relations website. Any forward-looking statements we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. During the call, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, gross margin, including stock-based compensation and operating expenses, including stock-based compensation.

More information about these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with the most comparable GAAP measures, are available in the press release, which is available at investors.progyny.com. I would now like to turn the call over to Pete.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Thanks, Jamie, and thanks everyone for joining us today. We're pleased to report that Progyny had a very strong third quarter with record quarterly revenue of $205 million, reflecting 68% growth over the third quarter of 2021. In addition, our adjusted EBITDA more than doubled over the prior year to a record $35 million, yielding adjusted EBITDA margin of 17%. Positive momentum in revenue was driven primarily by both healthy member activity, which has fully returned to levels that are consistent with what we expect to see, as well as by a number of new client launches during the third quarter from accounts that were won in the current sales season.

Most of these launches were clients who wanted to make the Progyny benefit available to their workforce as early as possible and who chose not to wait until the start of their health plan year, on 1/1. There was also a large client who launched during the quarter because their plan year starts in the third quarter. While early launches typically happen in every sales season, those usually are with smaller clients. We've had more non-January 1 starts overall this year, and this has included some larger clients. We view the enthusiasm of these clients in launching our benefit early as validation of both our market leadership as well as the confirmation that the demand for fertility and family-building solutions is high, as employers increasingly recognize that their benefits need to be both equitable and competitive, even with the backdrop of some macro economic uncertainty.

While there are varying predictions as to whether a recession will happen at all or how long it will last, companies are still reliant on the productivity and satisfaction of their labor force, and they're aware of what's actually happening in the market today, where unemployment remains at or near a 50-year low and labor continues to be extremely tight and there is a significant surplus of unfilled jobs. The availability of fertility and family-building benefits, as well as the quality of those benefits, is increasingly becoming a significant factor that prospective employees use when deciding whether to join or remain with a company.

While these macro forces are providing a tailwind for fertility as a category, we've seen our market share continue to grow as employers are increasingly choosing Progyny as their solution provider, given our track record of success in helping companies more efficiently manage their healthcare spend while simultaneously enhancing the patient experience through our superior clinical outcomes. At this point in the year, our new sales and client renewal season is largely complete. Though last year's record-setting sales season, which had been favorably impacted to some extent by carryover demand from COVID-affected sales year in 2020, set a high bar for success in 2022, we continued that momentum and secured a record 105 new client commitments during the selling season, representing an additional 1.2 million covered lives.

Quarterly, we expect to enter 2023 positioned for another year of strong growth with 370 clients and approximately 5.4 million covered lives, reflecting double the number of clients and covered lives from the start of 2021. Before I go into greater detail about the selling season, let me first give a recap of our renewal activities and then briefly discuss employment growth within our existing customer base. For the seventh consecutive year, we expect to retain nearly 100% of our clients. We also continue to see very healthy appetite among existing clients who are looking to expand their Progyny relationship through upsells, including a handful of clients who are adding coverage for the Canadian populations. Altogether, more than a quarter of our clients are increasing their benefit in some way in 2023.

We believe our extraordinarily high retention rate is one of the most underappreciated aspects of our business. Our clients include some of the most data-driven and analytical companies in the world. We believe in our sustained success at both renewing those relationships year- after- year, in addition to expanding with a large portion of the base each year, demonstrates both the high levels of satisfaction we achieve as well as the strength of our client relationships, which is driven by the value that we continue to create for those clients. By way of illustrating this point, our renewals this year include one of our largest clients who chose to deepen the Progyny relationship through a five-year renewal as opposed to the more usual three-year term, in recognition of our track record of delivering substantial value both to the client and its workforce through our superior clinical outcomes and better member experience.

Although new sales activity has been the predominant driver to our growth historically, employment growth at existing clients has been a contributor as well. Looking to 2023 as it relates to employment growth within our base, while some of our clients, including some of our largest ones, have made public comments about slowing the pace of hiring or their expectations to keep headcount flat, none of our clients have indicated publicly or in their conversations with us that they're planning for any large scale reductions to their workforce at this point. Accordingly, we currently anticipate that the employment levels of our existing clients to be relatively consistent versus 2022, with little or no contribution to revenue from organic growth in 2023.

Turning now to new sales, we believe the record number of new commitments we've received demonstrates that our opportunities continue to be significant and the market remains substantially under-penetrated. We believe these results also show that Progyny remains the provider of choice for the largest and most successful companies in the world, and that we remain in our strongest and best competitive position, given that no other benefit solution has been able to build a fully managed solution that delivers high-quality outcomes. The 105 clients we're adding represent the broadest and most diverse cohort in our history, including aerospace and defense, food and beverage, healthcare, agriculture, telecommunications, energy, cybersecurity, financial services, and more.

As we discussed last quarter, we also won our initial clients in a number of industries that are very large and under-penetrated, including hotels, airlines, labor unions, university systems, and even our first professional sports team. We expect this cohort of newest clients will further enhance the strength and diversity that already exists within our base as our clients in 2023 participate in more than 40 different industries. Consistent with prior seasons, we continue to see a broad range in the size of the newest clients who span from 1,000 lives to well in excess of 100,000 lives. We believe this demonstrates the relevance of fertility as an essential benefit for any type of employer, regardless of the industry they're in or the size of their operations.

Similar to last year, approximately half of the newest clients had a previous fertility benefit before moving into Progyny, and the other half of our newest clients are adding fertility to their health benefits for the first time in 2023. Given that the market overall is evenly divided, with roughly half of large employers providing some type of fertility benefit and the other half not providing any coverage at all, we believe our success with both groups this year underscores our growth opportunities with larger employers. As further evidence of the healthy appetite for fertility benefits and its resilience in this macro environment, our newest clients have also continued to select robust levels of coverage for their workforce, with most choosing to provide two or three Smart Cycles, which is consistent with our historical average.

We're also pleased to have achieved our strongest ever adoption rate for Progyny Rx this year. Of our newest clients, 97% are taking the pharmacy benefit, driven by the savings we deliver over the traditional PBMs, as well as our superior member experience that, among other advantages, eliminates the risk of treatment delays. After the newest cohort launches, we anticipate that 90% of our overall clients will have the integrated solution, up from 84% today. Before I turn the call over to Mark, I wanted to provide a perspective on a recent development that's affecting the supply chain of a commonly prescribed fertility medication.

Ferring, the manufacturer of Menopur, one of the largest drugs in our formulary, has notified us that they have temporarily paused delivery of that medication, thereby creating a shortage in supply as they wait for the FDA to approve changes that were made in the manufacturing process by one of their suppliers. Ferring's review of their data to date indicates that the safety and efficacy of the product remains unaltered, and Ferring has indicated that they're not aware of any evidence indicating that the changes in the manufacturing process pose any risk to patients. Lastly, Ferring has notified us that they're working with health authorities, including the FDA, to resolve the situation as quickly as possible and will keep us informed.

In the meantime, clinicians are able to employ a combination of alternative medications to replicate the effect of Menopur through the administration of these drugs, though the administration of these drugs is more complicated for the patient. It's worth noting that this is the only drug of its kind in the U.S. that's approved for use, and the drug has been used widely and successfully with patients for many years. It's also important to stress that neither Ferring nor the FDA recalled any doses of the medication that had already been distributed to the market. Quarterly, in looking at previous situations that have similarities to this one, we believe it's reasonable for us to anticipate that this situation can be resolved relatively quickly.

While we don't anticipate the temporary disruption to have an impact on members' ability to pursue treatment, we do expect a slight financial impact as a result of using the alternative drugs given the different unit economics for these drugs, which the guidance we're issuing today already contemplates, as Mark will discuss in more detail shortly. With that, let me now turn the call over to Mark to discuss the quarter in more detail and provide our expectations for the balance of the year.

Mark Livingston
CFO, Progyny

Thank you, Pete, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin by walking through our results for the third quarter and then provide our expectations for the remainder of the year. Third quarter revenue grew 68% over the prior year to $205.4 million, making this our first quarter to exceed $200 million in revenue. To put this into perspective, after we launched our solution in 2016, it was five years before we reached our first $100 million quarter. Since then, it's taken less than two years to add that next $100 million. We believe this underscores not only the momentum that's been driving the business, but also our ability to successfully and rapidly scale our operations. Our growth in the quarter was primarily due to an increase in the number of clients and covered lives as compared to a year ago.

Weighted average covered lives increased by more than 200,000, driven by the launch of 9 new clients at various points during the quarter. In every selling season, there are typically a handful of clients who want to launch their benefit sooner than the customary January 1st date. As Pete discussed earlier, we view the higher than usual number of clients launching early this year as a strong validation of how relevant the fertility benefit is in the market, while also affirming the conviction employers have to improve their health plans in this environment. There was also a large client that we won in the current season whose health benefit plans begins in the third quarter, so this was a natural go live date for them.

Accordingly, we had 282 clients as of September 30th, representing an average of 4.5 million covered lives during the quarter. This compares to 188 clients and 2.9 million covered lives in the year-ago period, reflecting 57% growth in lives over the past year. Looking at the components of the top line, medical revenue grew 52% over the third quarter last year to $129.3 million, which again was due to the growth in clients and covered lives. While pharmacy revenue more than doubled in the quarter to $76.1 million. Our higher growth in pharmacy reflects an increase in the number of clients with the integrated solution as compared to a year ago. Turning now to our utilization metrics.

More than 11,000 ART cycles were performed during the quarter, reflecting a 61% increase as compared to the year ago period. Female utilization, which is the rate that most closely corresponds to our financial results, was 0.44%. This compared to 0.46% a year ago. As a reminder, utilization rates vary from quarter to quarter due to a number of factors, including the time of the year and the timing of new client launches, as we typically see a ramp up period as our newest members begin to have access to the benefit. Turning now to our margins and operating expenses. Gross profit increased 61% from the third quarter last year to $46 million, yielding a 22.4% gross margin.

The 90 basis point decrease from gross margin in the year ago period primarily reflects the impact of non-cash stock-based compensation, partially offset by efficiencies that we continue to realize in the delivery of our care management services. As a reminder, our third quarter margins are typically higher than what we see in the fourth quarter as we onboard the incremental headcount that we need to successfully support the significant step up that we expect in covered lives in advance of January 1st. Sales and marketing expense was 5.4% of revenue in the third quarter as compared to 3.6% in the year ago period. The increase reflects higher non-cash stock-based compensation as well as continued investments we are making to expand our go-to-market resources. G&A costs were 11.5% of revenue this quarter, reflecting a slight improvement from the year ago period.

We continue to realize efficiencies across our administrative functions which more than offset the impact of higher stock comp expense in the current period. The press release we issued today reconciles the impact of non-cash stock compensation on our gross margins and operating expenses. With our strong top-line performance and the efficiencies we've realized, adjusted EBITDA more than doubled from the year ago period to $35 million this quarter. The 17% adjusted EBITDA margin is our highest ever, reflecting a 350 basis point expansion from the 13.5% margin in the year ago period. Adjusted EBITDA margin on incremental revenue was 22% this quarter, 22.2% This quarter, demonstrating the leverage that we continue to achieve as we build the business. Third quarter net income was $13.2 million or $0.13 per diluted share.

This compared to net income of $16.8 million or $0.17 per share in the year ago period. The lower income and EPS as compared to a year ago primarily reflects the higher stock comp expense in the current period as well as a higher tax benefit recorded in the prior year period. Turning now to our cash flow and balance sheet. Operating cash generated during the quarter was approximately $21 million. This compares to $24.2 million generated in the year ago period. Over the first nine months of the year, operating cash flow of $28.9 million compares to $17.2 million in the year ago period. Our cash flow in both periods reflect the timing impact of certain working capital items, specifically as it relates to our pharmacy partner arrangements.

The substantial growth in pharmacy revenue, both on a year-over-year basis as well as sequentially from the previous two quarters of this year and the payment terms associated with our rebate creates a lag when looking at current period cash flow versus adjusted EBITDA. Additionally, given the large number of new clients and lives onboarded during the last couple of quarters, cash flow also reflects that short-term negative impact that we typically see with these new launches as it can take a quarter or so to get the integrations with the newest clients and their carriers running efficiently. As of September 30th, we had total working capital of $245 million, reflecting $141 million in cash equivalents, and marketable securities and no debt. Turning now to our expectations for the fourth quarter and full year 2022.

Given the strong results we've achieved over the first three quarters of the year and the number of new clients we have sold that have already gone live, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our 2022 guidance for the third consecutive quarter. For the full year, we are raising both the low and high end of the revenue range and now expect between $775 million-$785 million, representing growth of between 55%-57%. On that basis, for the fourth quarter, we are projecting revenue of between $202.4 million-$212.4 million, reflecting growth of between 59%-67%.

This anticipates the full quarter impact of the nine clients that launched in Q3, as well as a number of small clients that have launched in Q4, taking our expected average member count for the fourth quarter to 4.6 million. The ranges for both the year and the fourth quarter also reflect an estimated negative impact of $7.5 million-$12.5 million in revenue from the Menopur shortage that Pete discussed earlier, assuming the shortage persists over the balance of the year. Although we don't expect this shortage to negatively impact member utilization, there are different unit economics with the alternate combination of drugs that are being used during the shortage. We are also raising our guidance on profitability for 2022. We now expect adjusted EBITDA of between $121 million-$124 million.

For net income, we now expect between $26.3 million-$28.5 million or 26-29 cents earnings per share on the basis of approximately 100 million fully diluted shares. For the fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA, we expect between $28.4 million-$31.4 million, and net income ranging from a loss of $700,000 to income of $1.6 million, or between a loss of $0.01 and $0.02 Of earnings per share based on approximately 100 million fully diluted shares. This guidance reflects that we issued a broad-based equity grant in the fourth quarter, which we expect will increase our stock-based compensation expense and which is reflected in our guidance ranges.

We did a similar broad-based grant a year ago, which in hindsight, turned out to be when the market was at all-time highs. Accordingly, we issued the new grant to help ensure that the equity component of our compensation structure continues to serve as a retentive tool. As a reminder, our net income ranges do not contemplate any discrete income tax items, including any income tax benefit related to equity compensation activity. To the extent that activity occurs, we will continue to benefit from those discrete tax items over the remainder of 2022. Let me now turn the call back over to Pete for some closing remarks.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Thanks, Mark. As we look to 2023, Progyny has continued to distance itself from its competitors and demonstrate its market leadership. We expect to be managing fertility benefits for 5.4 million people and approximately 370 companies in 2023, a far greater scale than any other point solution provider. As we think about continuing to grow our market share, even with the record results in our most recent selling season, there are always a certain number of accounts who decide this wasn't the right time for them to take the benefit. This selling season was no exception. As in prior seasons, these prospects are choosing a competitive solution. Rather, they ultimately determined this wasn't the right time for them to add or change their fertility solution, generally because of some other need they have to address in their health plans.

The dialogue with those accounts remains very positive, and a number of them have indicated they are eager to begin revisiting their discussion with us in January, which sets us up with a larger and healthier pipeline than what we had at this time last year and positions us well to start next year's selling season with momentum. As we look into next year, we continue to believe that we are at a very early stage of penetrating our core market. Once our newest clients go live, we will still have just a low single-digit percentage of the 8,000 employers in our target market.

To conclude, we're pleased with both our results this quarter as well as the progress that we've made in the execution of our strategic initiatives, particularly as it relates to our success with our selling season and client retention, which affirm that Progyny continues to be the provider of choice for many of the largest and most successful companies in the world. With that, we'd like to open up the call for your questions. Operator?

Operator

Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. We do ask that while posing your question, please pick up your handset if you're listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Once again, if you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone. Your first question is coming from Anne Samuel from JP Morgan. Your line is live.

Anne Samuel
Executive Director, JPMorgan

Hi, congratulations on the terrific results and the great selling season. You know, you highlighted in the release that you saw some early launches this year, and I was just wondering what's driving that, and if we should expect that to be the new normal going forward.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Yeah. I would never expect it to be the new normal, although we did have a number of new clients that went live, and most of them that did go live went live ahead of their normal plan year, which is 1/1. For the most part, we never planned for that because you can't predict how many there will or won't be. One of the clients, and the largest one that went live, did go live on their plan year, which is, you know, a fiscal year, not a calendar year. That's why the number of clients and lives that went live earlier is bigger than normal. That doesn't always happen, and we don't plan for it.

Obviously, it's a good indication of where companies are thinking in terms of wanting to launch this benefit earlier.

Anne Samuel
Executive Director, JPMorgan

That's helpful. Thanks. Just one question about, you know, you talked about the financial impact from the Menopur issues. Is that just on the RX side? Just wondering if you expect to see any impact to utilization from that disruption. Just, you know, how quickly do you think it can be resolved?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Yep. We don't expect any impact on utilization from it. That impact is only on the RX side. We don't have any further insight into when it'll be resolved. As I said in my comments, you know, historically, when there are certain drugs that are the only drug on the market, approved for a certain condition or treatment, you know, in the past, these type of situations where there's changes in manufacturing process have been resolved relatively quickly. Our hope is that's the case in this situation, but we don't have any further insight than what we provided.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Michael Cherny from Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker 12

Hi, this is Charlotte on for Mike. Congrats on the quarter, and thanks for taking my question. Now that we have the selling season results for 2023, can you talk a little bit more about the end of the selling season, particularly as it relates to your close rates, and then any trends that you were seeing with not now clients?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Sure. It's hard to sort of distinguish close rates in different parts of the selling season because you never know exactly, you know, why they didn't buy. What we look at is we look at our rates of close relative to deals we won or lost to a competitor, and those were really high. The not nows are many different reasons why they do a not now, and those are much greater and set us up really nicely for next year. Sometimes we get clarity on the not nows, many times we don't, but they're just other priorities. For the most part, we feel really well positioned for next year vis-à-vis the not nows.

Speaker 12

Got it. That's helpful. Could you just talk a little bit more about what was driving the EBITDA margin expansion and then just any further color on the efficiencies that you mentioned?

Mark Livingston
CFO, Progyny

Yeah. Again, we've seen, you know, margin expansion, you know, really period over period as we've grown. You know, it's across, you know, each and all of the lines that we have. I mean, as our revenue has grown, we've been able to, you know, expand both through care management services. We don't need to hire as many people on a growth rate perspective as the number of lives we bring on or the revenue that generates. You know, same thing, also in terms of customer acquisition costs and sales and marketing, and we've been quite efficient on G&A. I would say that, you know, the quarter did benefit a bit from some timing of expenses.

you know, maybe a little bit of that would then come back in Q4. I'm talking about, you know, relatively minor amounts here. nothing to call out as far as, you know, some kind of special trend.

Speaker 12

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Jailendra Singh from Truist Securities. Your line is live.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Thanks, and thanks for taking my questions. Clearly, 2023 now locked in at least from 1/1 start year point of view. I wanted to get your thoughts beyond 2023, and I understand it might be a little early to talk about 2024 selling season. Are you getting any indications from your conversation with employers that there is a chance that employers might press a pause button for late 2023 or 2024 rollout in terms of benefit expansion or fertility benefits in particular, given the macro environment and recession concerns?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

We really haven't had conversations with anybody about 2024, to speak of, so I really can't comment on that.

All I could tell you is that if you look at all the indicators of what happened in this selling season for 2023, whether it's the expansion of industries from 30 to 40, whether it's the number of clients, you know, being up 25% from what we sold in prior year, whether it's the fact that we sold, you know, half the clients never had the benefit before, the other half had some form of benefit but switched to Progyny, et cetera, all indications are what we were saying, you know, in our prepared remarks, which is the fact that it's a tight labor market and the fact that this is a really important benefit that people look for, companies continue to acknowledge, recognize, and take action on.

That's why I believe that will continue beyond 2023, even with, you know, some of the macroeconomic concerns that are out there, you know, because they've been in the headlines, as we know, all year long, and recently, you know. And even with that, we still had a successful selling season. So, you know, employers do realize that even with some of those concerns, they may have to be smart about what they're doing, but certainly adding this benefit doesn't appear to be something that they're eliminating from their choices.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Great. That's helpful. Then my quick follow-up on the just in general competitive landscape. There have been some large client wins, employer wins, by some of your competitors. I know you mentioned that your win rate has been pretty good. But if you guys have not won a client in this selling season, specifically, what were some of the reasons? Were you being selective in RFPs, or there were some particular things which did not fit with your kind of focus area? Just trying to understand the reasons any different from prior years in terms of you not getting those clients.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Sure. There's various different reasons why. I would say the most common reason for us is a lot of times, we'll get prospects that will want to offer the benefit in a certain way that we don't view as a comprehensive benefit, right? That will be everything from restrictions in terms of the amount of money they wanna spend in terms of dollar maxes. That would be everything from narrow networks, that will be everything from any limitations on geo access, you know, certain treatment exclusions, you know, medical necessity being added, et cetera. All of those things make it both not a comprehensive benefit as well as a benefit that in many cases could potentially be an inequitable benefit, right? In our opinion.

Many times when we're asked to do the benefit a different way than we believe is the best way to do it, we try and talk to clients and convince them from our point of view, the right way to do the benefit. Sometimes, most of the time, we get them to agree, and sometimes we don't. I would say that's probably the most common reason why.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Truist Securities

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Scott Schoenhaus from KeyBanc. Your line is live.

Scott Schoenhaus
Managing Director, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks. Congrats on the strong quarter and new client wins. Just curious, given the pull forward with a record number of clients launching early rather than January 1, should we see utilization levels tick up in the fourth quarter, which would be seasonally abnormal as new members ramp with the services?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

You wouldn't see a tick up in the utilization levels. Part of why we quantify the impact of Menopur is if we didn't have that impact on the top line, the overall sequential revenue growth would've been bigger, and that's where you would've seen it. If you think about utilization as a function of the number of lives that you have under management in a moment, the utilization levels themselves as a % wouldn't go up, if that's what you're asking. Certainly the overall cycles and volume is gonna go up because you have more lives under management. I hope that answers your question.

Scott Schoenhaus
Managing Director, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah, that does. That takes me to my next question. Your run rate around 16% annually, from an EBITDA margin perspective. Do you think this is a fair run rate for the business moving forward on an annual basis, realizing there's, you know, seasonality from quarter to quarter? Or just the disruption in Menopur, distribution and, you know, moving towards alternative medications? I think you mentioned the lower pricing unit economics, but is there any, like, cost structure impact with having to, procure these additional alternatives? Thanks.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Yeah. There's a small cost structure impact, but again, you know, if you go back to my remarks, and which is why I gave my point of view in terms of how long I think this will last, I don't think this will be a long-term disruption. I wouldn't think about this as an issue on a long-term basis. This is what I would call a short-term bump relative to, you know, margin contribution. I'll let Mark address the first part of your question.

Mark Livingston
CFO, Progyny

Yeah. We've obviously, each of the last several quarters and this quarter as well, we always sort of point to the margin on the incremental revenue that we're generating as being, you know, maybe a better indicator of the longer term, you know, EBITDA margin. But I think I would also caution you sort of quarter to quarter to be careful. I think if you look at our full year guidance and sort of interpret what's there, you're looking at sort of mid- to upper-19% or so, for this year. And that's probably, you know, that and maybe a little bit in that area is probably a better place to be.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Glen Santangelo from Jefferies. Your line is live.

Glen Santangelo
Managing Director, Jefferies

Yeah. Thanks. Hey, Pete, I just wanna follow up on some comments you made with respect to overall, sort of penetration. I think in your prepared remarks, you said the market remains substantially under-penetrated. I mean, clearly you had a great selling season, but a big question we get from investors is, you know, what's sort of the sustainability of this type of growth? I was wondering if you could maybe put a finer point on those comments around penetration, maybe to the extent like how many self-insured clients you think are out there, how many lives does that represent, where you think we are in terms of penetration. Any sort of statistics like that that you can give us?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Sure. There's a couple of buckets of addressable market that we talk about. The one we reference the most is there's 8,000 large self-insured corporate companies in the U.S. that represent roughly 80 million covered lives. We've penetrated, you know, the numbers that we sort of quoted, 370 large self-insured clients, and next year, roughly 5.4 million covered lives, right? That's sort of some idea from that market. There's an additional, in terms of the labor market, there's an additional roughly 20-25 million lives, you know, among, you know, across all the different types of labor, that are in the U.S., that are a whole other market that we just started to penetrate this year.

When we talk about the low penetration, we're referring to that universe. The last piece is, as we talk about, each year, we win a significant number of companies that already cover the benefit in some form, you know, primarily with their current traditional carrier, as well as we win a significant number of clients, last two years now, almost half and half, that didn't cover the benefit at all. It's really the combination of all of those things that continue to reinforce our belief that we're still very low and early in terms of penetration in the overall market.

When you consider finally the continued trend of fertility rates in the U.S., which are declining and have been declining, that's the reason why the demand for the benefit and the awareness around the need for the benefit amongst millennials continues and grows. They're the folks that are gonna be doing, you know, asking their HR departments about this benefit, whether they have it and it's not, you know, in my opinion or their opinion adequately covered, or whether they don't have it at all and continue to push for getting it covered and which is why I believe, you know, that our growth and success will continue.

Glen Santangelo
Managing Director, Jefferies

That's really helpful. Maybe if I just ask one follow-up on those statistics. I mean, you said of the 8,000 large employers, there's 80 million covered lives. Any idea, you know, what percentage of those already have some type of benefit in place? Because, you know, your wins are clearly coming from white space and from maybe some lives that are covered by the major carriers. And I guess, you know, the concern that some investors have, you know, is that managed care ultimately wakes up one day and stops seeding, you know, these lives to some of these, you know, pure play fertility players. And so people are just really trying to understand, like, what's really the market opportunity. Thanks.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Yeah. Let me hit the second part of your question first. Well, I'll do the first part 'cause it's easy. Based on studies that are out there by the largest benefit consultants of the larger employers that are out there, only 40% cover this benefit in any form, right? Let's start with that one first, right? As it relates to... Wait, what was the second part of the question? Oh, as it relates to the health plans, interestingly enough, this past year was the first year we didn't see any change amongst the health plans trying to do anything around their offerings in our competitive situation. If any did anything, we weren't aware of it.

When I say that, I mean, in prior years, some of the health plans tried to create some marketing around their solution, didn't make a lot of changes to how they're doing the benefit or administering the benefit, but tried to put some marketing together to sort of feature what they're already doing. In the past, some of the larger carriers put together programs and named them certain things to try and compete in this space. There are large carriers that have had for years fertility solutions out there that we don't see that often competitively.

This is the first year where we didn't see any new activity from any of the large carriers, and my belief has been and continues to be the reason for that is that the ASO model doesn't give them any financial incentive up or down, to offer this benefit or not. They have, you know, much bigger fish to fry, if you will, in the overall healthcare landscape, that they don't seem to be that focused on changing their approach around this benefit.

Glen Santangelo
Managing Director, Jefferies

Super helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Sarah James from Barclays. Your line is live.

Sarah James
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you. I was hoping you guys could touch on the timing of the pharmacy rebate negotiations rolling out in practice. Did they have any impact on the sequential margin or DSO, and when will it fully be ramped? It would be helpful if we could get some color on how much impact that's having on 2022 EBITDA or an annualized go forward EBITDA.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

If you're talking about the impact to cash flows, it'll always have an impact as we are growing. To the extent that we're growing year- over- year and sequentially in quarters, that drag related to cash flows will continue because the payment terms are 180-day payment terms. Our current agreement has another year in it. You know, I can't comment on the timing of when the negotiations will start, but there's another year through the end of 2023 under our current arrangement.

Mark Livingston
CFO, Progyny

From a EBITDA standpoint, you know, the arrangements exist, and it is effectively part of our results and part of our guidance. There's no ramp up, if you will, associated with that, you know, within the year. It's really just the operating cash flow impact because of you know, the delay between earning and receipt of six months. By the way, we've been, you know, getting all of this money pretty faithfully. It just comes, you know, a couple of quarters later.

Sarah James
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Got it. Yeah. I wasn't worried about the cash collection. I just more thought it was tied to a favorable terms negotiation for or-

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

No. As Mark said, the terms are in effect for the full year. There are no sequential terms. You know, it's a three-year arrangement going through the end of 2023.

Sarah James
Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Wanted to unpack your comments on the sales and marketing expense as it relates to your go-to-market strategy.

You know, you guys have really high retention. I know your sales team is leverageable. How should we think about increased funding for go-to-market strategy? Is that an indication that you're thinking of expansions like men's health or middle market? Just how should we read that strategic change?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Well, there's a couple things, right? Some of that is expansion. We talked about standing up our benefit and then had a few, you know, small upsells, but positive upsells from our existing clients in the Canadian market. So, investing in the go-to-market strategy in Canada is part of it. Some of it is continuing to develop our capabilities across different channel partners and distribution partners, and that's gonna take some sales effort. And then the rest of it is just as you continue to grow, you do need a bigger marketing function, kind of to support all those things in terms of go-to-market.

You also need to support, you know, your providers and all your clients and the members from a marketing perspective, and all of those things require investment.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions or comments, please press Star, then one on your phone at this time. Your next question is coming from Stephanie Davis from SVB Securities. Your line is live.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Hey, guys. Congrats on an awesome quarter.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Thank you.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Thanks.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

I have a question for you. You keep talking about shortages in drugs on formulary like Cetrotide and Menopur, and then you're putting up record EBITDA quarters. Is there a way to tease that out and cite what your margins could look like if you didn't have all of these headwinds? Or should we think of this rate as likely peak margins?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Well, let me just clarify the timing of the Menopur shortage. It just happened literally now, so end of October. The impact of it relative to the third quarter results didn't impact it, right? The third quarter results are positive.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Cetrotide was there, right?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

I'm sorry.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

The Cetrotide was there as well, though.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Cetrotide, I think for the full quarter was, you know, negligible shortage. So for the most part, most of the quarter, we were okay. There was a little bit, but nothing meaningful, not much to sort of quantify.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Was anticipated in our guidance.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

was anticipated in our guidance. You know, the Menopur one, the bigger impact of it is obviously the top line impact. There is an impact on the margins. You know, shortages are gonna happen from time to time. They don't always happen with drugs that are or aren't on formulary, in terms of replacement drugs. But at the end of the day, you know, I could quantify it, but to the extent that the shortages have been short-term in nature, I don't think it's instructive because most of the time, most of the drugs, and the significant majority is on formulary, and all they're doing is impacting on a short-term basis some of these quarters.

as you can see from our guidance, not in a really material way.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Understood. More of a housekeeping question now to me. Is there any way to think about the mix of the new cohort that had the pharma benefit versus non? Like, what would drive someone to not have it at this point?

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

The good news is there were very few. We're up to 97% in terms of the uptake of pharma of our new clients. Highest ever, I think last year was 92 or something. I forget what it was.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

92, 93, yeah.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

92, 93, but certainly eventually 100%. The very few clients that don't take it has always been the same as in prior years. As we continue to perform and show, you know, impact, that's why I believe our uptake continues to grow. The reason why clients don't buy it usually is because there's two decision-makers at clients relative to taking on the benefit, one that represents the medical side and one that represents the pharmacy side. To the extent that both aren't included for whatever reason and whatever other priorities may be going on the pharmacy side, there are at times existing and new clients that don't take both, you know, the entire benefit with pharmacy. That's the most common reason.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Is there still an opportunity to expand into that, or is this kind of, should we think of this as nearing the top, given-

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

There's always an opportunity to expand in it. You know, it's evidenced by the growth in pharmacy versus the growth in medical this year. We had significant upsells. There was a lot more opportunity. There's a little bit more opportunity this year. We had success in it again. You know, we'll always continue to present you know, the positive impacts of going with the Progyny Rx programs to our existing clients and hope to win them all.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

Awesome. Love hearing it. Thank you, guys.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Thank you.

Stephanie Davis
Senior Managing Director, SVB Securities

See you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Devyani Wivisauria from Berenberg. Your line is live.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Hey, thank you for taking my question. Good quarter here, heading into Q4 after the selling season. I just wanna put some context around a couple of things that have been talked about already. You know, one, penetration, which, you know, all indications kinda point to a market that's pretty early. You know, you mentioned kind of the expansion of the sales force slightly. The other thing is, if you just look at the client member lives added, you know, although this is a good selling season, it's relatively in line with, you know, the 1.2 million lives that were added last year.

I guess, you know, as someone sitting and looking at all that together, I would just expect if this penetration's still early, you know, for kind of member lives adds to accelerate, still, you know, through the next few years. You think, you know, maybe it's kinda flat in terms of the year-over-year because there's some softness from macro this year, or is there kind of a further sales effort needed, you think, to drive further member lives add, given penetration's so low? Just trying to bridge that gap. Thank you.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Yeah. Here's how I would frame it, and I can't quantify it for you. There's two reasons why the year-over-year from a lives perspective is flat. One is, the macro environment has to have some impact. I think the greater not nows suggest that. That certainly is a thing, right? Again, hard to quantify it, because literally we had one or two of many prospective clients that mentioned sort of budgets and that kind of thing as a concern, and we heard that from nobody else. I view that as anecdotal, not systematic.

The second reason is that if you recall, last year's selling season did benefit, although we could never quantify by how much, by the muted uptake from the 2020 selling season, because during that year, many companies chose not to make any changes to their benefits in terms of their employees for 2021 'cause they were dealing with the impact of COVID and a remote workforce. If you look at the really low sales from 2020 as a result of COVID, and you average the two years and maybe weigh a little bit more into 2021 because you would've expected some growth, we view this year as growth, considering that overhang that benefited last year's selling season.

I would say it's a combination of the two. But overall, you know, still significant success relative to the base of lives we came into the year with and the base of lives and accounts that we're exiting the year with.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Okay, that's helpful. I guess, you know, the next question, just following up on that is, you know, it's, you know, certainly looks to be a little bit more competitive from a market standpoint with you know, both well-funded startups coming into the market. You know, from a growth commercial engine standpoint, you know, how comfortable are you with the current scale, or do you feel like, you know, some acceleration would be helpful? Again, just putting it in context of kind of the penetration being low, you know, could that be beneficial? Just would love to get your thoughts on what you're thinking about in terms of commercial presence.

Peter Anevski
CEO, Progyny

Sure. Every year we reflect on the sales year, and every year we make investments, some of them I mentioned already relative to both marketing and, you know, feet on the street relative to our sales force, including, you know, how it's organized, including, you know, how they work with specific channel partners, et cetera. This year's no different. We'll make those investments for the next selling season, and we continue to invest in our go-to-market strategy and this year will be no different. You know, every year we get smarter at how to approach the market, and we get smarter at any changes in the market, et cetera, and this year will be no different.

We're already in the process of doing that hiring, and investing so that we're prepared for next year's selling season.

Devyani Wivisauria
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our Q&A session. I will now hand the conference back to James Hart for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

James Hart
VP of Investor Relations, Progyny

Thank you, Matthew, and thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. You all know how to reach me. Thank you so much. Talk to you next quarter.

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