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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 3, 2022

Douglas Constantine
Director of Investor Relations, Progressive

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for Progressive's second quarter investor event. I'm Douglas Constantine, Director of Investor Relations, and I will be moderator for today's event. The company will not make detailed comments related to its results in addition to those provided in its annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, and the letter to shareholders, which have been posted on the company's website. This quarter marks a return to our typical format, which is a presentation on a specific portion of our business, followed by a question and answer session with members of our leadership team. The introductory comments by our CEO and the presentation were previously recorded.

Upon completion of the previously recorded remarks, we will use the balance of the 90 minutes scheduled for this event for live questions and answers with the leaders featured in our recorded remarks, as well as other members of our management team. As always, discussions in this event may include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events and results to differ materially from those discussed during today's event. Additional information concerning those risks and uncertainties is available in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2021, as supplemented by our 10-Q reports for the first and second quarters of 2022, where you will find discussions of the risk factors affecting our businesses, safe harbor statements related to forward-looking statements, and other discussions of the challenges we face.

These documents can be found via the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.progressive.com. To begin today, I am pleased to introduce our CEO, Tricia Griffith, who will kick us off with some introductory comments. Tricia?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. As I stated in my letter, we continue to work through the challenges handed to us through the macroeconomic environment. Uncertainty has been the theme of our post-COVID world, and that has continued into the second quarter. I continue to be encouraged by the way the organization has responded. Flexibility was our theme for the 2021 annual report, and our people have continued to exhibit flexibility into 2022. During the second quarter, we continued to feel the impact of inflation, with used car prices still near all-time highs and continued rising costs to repair vehicles. On the other hand, record high fuel costs and the resulting reduced driving provides a modest tailwind to auto frequency. We will continue to monitor the environment closely and are taking proactive steps to ensure we meet our promise to 96 combined ratio.

As we stated in the first quarter, we believe our major personal auto rate revisions are behind us, and that's reflected in our slowing pace of second quarter rate changes. In the quarter, we raised rates in 17 states, which had about a 2% increase countrywide, bringing our year-to-date rate increase to about 9% and our year-over-year rate increase to about 16%. While these rate changes continue to have the expected effect on PIF growth, I'm encouraged by recent results. As competitors took rate and we increased our investment in direct acquisition in many markets, we have seen prospect volume rise, and June marked the first month since May of 2021 with year-over-year new app growth in our direct channel. While the path ahead undoubtedly contains many obstacles, I'm encouraged to see our efforts bear fruit.

I'd now like to change focus to the main topic of today's presentation, which is our property business. While our state expansion to write property insurance has enabled us to increase our addressable market and accelerate growth in the important Robinson segment, it's no secret that we have faced challenges. Over the last five years, we've been unable to consistently run the business at our target margins, and between 2017 and 2021 have posted an underwriting loss. We're the first to admit that we have work to do to get this business on track. As I mentioned in my letter, our current pricing and underwriting activities do not adequately address weather-driven volatility, and we are in the process of executing a number of steps to turn the business around.

We realize these actions will require more time than originally anticipated to ensure consistent delivery of our target combined ratio for the property business. As such, we have revised our expected underwriting profitability over the coming years, which led to a write-off of $225 million of goodwill, primarily related to our purchase of ARX Holding Corp. The remaining $228 million of goodwill is also primarily attributable to the acquisition and reflects the increase in addressable market we gain for our agency auto product that bundling represents. The team of people working on our property business continues to focus time on improving our underwriting, managing risk concentration, and more precisely matching rate to risk at a much more granular level.

For the last five years, Dave Pratt, our soon-to-be-retired Property General Manager, has worked closely with senior leaders from ASI as they transformed our property business from a regional carrier to the 10th-largest property carrier in the country, now writing in 47 states. With Dave's impending retirement next year, Tanya Fjera, who has more than 20 years' experience at ASI and Progressive, has taken over leadership of our property P&L and is partnering with supporting groups across Progressive from product, claims, IT, legal, and finance to ensure we're building the products, experiences, and team to create the broadly available and competitively priced and profitable product offering that we've all grown to expect from Progressive.

While we cannot change course overnight, today we will share the steps we are taking today to reach our goal. For our main presentation today, first, Pat Callahan, our Personal Lines President and nearly 20-year Progressive veteran, will discuss our market opportunity and our investments in property product distribution. Following Pat, Dave Pratt will go into more detail on our results, the investments we've made in people and product, and a real-world case study on how our actions have resulted in favorable results. Dave is a 31-year Progressive employee who has held numerous roles throughout his illustrious career. Dave has been an important part of Progressive's success over his decades of service, and we will miss him upon his upcoming retirement. Thank you again for joining us, and now I'll hand it over to Pat. Pat?

Pat Callahan
President of Personal Lines, Progressive

Thanks, Tricia. While our focus has historically been on vehicle insurance, we've always recognized that property insurance is an important segment of U.S. personal lines. As we continue to grow our personal auto business, meeting the property needs of our growing auto customer base is increasingly important. Over more than a decade, we've regularly shared our investments to meet those needs as part of our Destination Era strategy. These began back in 2008 through our Progressive Home Advantage partnerships, and today, Dave and I will restate the business case for investing in property, share our progress driving market share growth, and more importantly, the initiatives underway to ensure that we deliver profitable property growth in support of becoming consumers' and agents' number-one choice and destination for auto, home, and other insurance.

The U.S. property and casualty market is almost $800 billion in premiums written, and more than 90% of that isn't yet insured with us. Today's focus is on the $381 billion U.S. personal lines market, where we enjoy about 10% of the combined U.S. auto and home market share. We're the third-largest auto writer with almost 14% share, while today we write just below 2% of the U.S. homeowners market. Despite many reports of its demise due to technology advancements reducing accident frequency, U.S. auto direct premiums written grew about 4% annually over the past five years. At more than $260 billion, the U.S. auto market continues to represent a growth opportunity.

The U.S. homeowners market continues to grow faster than auto at more than 5% annually over the past five years and more than 8% growth in 2021. Recent inflationary forces, loss cost increases, and resulting rate increases are further accelerating growth in both the U.S. home and auto markets. Let's break this down by channel and segment. I expect that many of you are familiar with how we think about consumer market segments across channel, protection needs, and auto and home bundle status. The rows on this table are the three largest U.S. distribution channels, captive agent, independent agent, and direct-to-consumer. While all three channels have been growing premiums written, channel share has been slowly migrating from captive agents to direct as technology adoption drives continued ecommerce migration across industries.

The independent agent channel continues to maintain share due to its strong consumer value proposition, which combines local agent expertise with the breadth of product availability and depth of carrier options that deliver the ease and savings that consumers value. The columns here are Progressive's consumer segments, from simple needs, inconsistently insured auto-only households, or Sams, to continuously insured renters, Dianes, through consistently insured but unbundled homeowners, Wrights, to our well-known bundled auto and home Robinsons. You'll note that our market share is approaching 20% for the combined Sams, Dianes, and Wrights market, while we remain under-penetrated with Robinsons at less than 3% share. Note that this Robinsons share does not include the more than $1 billion written by unaffiliated carriers through the direct Progressive Advantage Agency.

You'll also note that more than half of the combined U.S. auto and home market is bundled, and more than 80% of that is bundled through an agent. The captive agent channel currently over-indexes on Robinson share, but as more Robinsons migrate to the direct and independent agent channels, we'll benefit due to strong market share across each of those channels. Our focus on Robinsons is driven by our untapped potential in this large and growing market segment, which makes up more than half of the total U.S. personal lines market. We've shared in prior investor presentations that current period financials fail to fully reflect the hidden balance sheet of future growth as our current customers both continue to renew and expand their relationship with Progressive, which delivers both top and bottom-line financial benefit for years to come.

Investing to expand our offerings to better penetrate the existing approximately $200 billion Robinsons market creates value in two critical ways. First, we drive top and bottom-line calendar period unit, premium, and underwriting profit growth through acquiring customers who bundle their auto and home today. As I shared on the last slide, more than half of the U.S. auto and home market is bundled, so when these customers shop and switch, it's critical for us to have a competitive bundled offer to meet their needs. The nature of these Robinsons, bundled homeowners, is inherently more stable than other customer segments, and they also have approximately three times the policy life expectancy of our Sams segment. Acquiring Robinsons drives growth both today and in future periods.

Second, for more than 85 years, we've been a leader in acquiring simpler needs monoline auto customers, and we continue to view this as an important pipeline of future growth. Ensuring we have broadly available and competitively priced renters, condo, and homeowners offerings is essential to ensure we meet the needs of these customers throughout their lifetimes. As we nurture these younger and simpler needs customers throughout their life events, we create and capture value for the firm today and unlock future growth potential. Since embarking on our Destination Era strategy, we've made major investments in acquiring ASI, launching new quoting platforms across channels, building our in-house Advantage Agency, creating a Platinum offering for our independent agent partners, and investing well over $1 billion on Bundle and Save branding and marketing in just the past three years.

These investments are driving Robinson's growth across distribution channels, which validates the potential for us to grow in this important market segment. While our property profitability hasn't consistently met our expectations, we also write more than $3 billion in profitable auto premium for these Robinson households across channels. While some of that would likely have been accessible without the complimentary property offering, we're confident that having broadly available and competitively priced property is helping to drive this growth. As I shared a few minutes ago, more than 80% of the bundled auto and home business we're looking to acquire is distributed through agents. The Robinson opportunity through independent agents alone represents more than $60 billion in annualized premiums written.

As the largest seller of auto through the independent agent channel, we are well-positioned to leverage our massive distribution footprint and more than 85 years of experience selling through agents to grow our share in the channel. I wanted to highlight two key initiatives that facilitate our independent agent channel Robinsons' growth. First, recognizing that Progressive has historically been an industry leader in ease of use for agents and customers, we built a streamlined quote experience for the home and auto bundle, which makes it fast and easy for agents to enter customer information once and quote and sell a bundle of most of the Progressive vehicle and property products, either up front or over time as customers experience life events and need more and/or different protection products.

Second, shortly after buying a controlling interest in ASI, we launched our Platinum program, which affords unique customer and agent benefits for bundling home and auto with Progressive. Over the past several years, we've continued to expand this footprint, bringing our highly competitive, nationally branded, and easy to quote and sell bundled offering to leading agencies across the country. Beyond gaining share of the currently bundled independent agent market, close to $100 billion of Robinson's premium is distributed through captive or exclusive agencies. This is despite lacking the superior consumer value proposition that results from carrier choice or depth that is available through independent agents.

As a leading nationally branded auto and home carrier, we believe we are well-positioned to continue to both capture share of the existing bundled independent agent market while also capitalizing on the ongoing shift from captive agents into the independent agent and direct channels. Despite the majority of Robinson's business being sold through agents today, more than 30% of total auto insurance is sold direct. We believe as younger auto consumers go through the life events that increase the complexity of their household insurance needs, having broadly available online property insurance will become increasingly important to meet the needs of these future customers. Property risks are complex. No two homes are alike. They don't come with VINs, and as such, property insurance products have historically been built to be sold through agents.

Homeowners, especially first-time home buyers, often struggle to identify important property characteristics like roof shape, shingle type, plumbing type, et cetera. As such, most property products don't easily translate to online or mobile direct-to-consumer quoting and binding. We continue to invest to make it easier for consumers to quote and buy property insurance online through our multi-carrier HomeQuote Explorer platform. This proprietary system guides shoppers through the home coverage interview, leveraging data fill and imagery to simplify the quoting process and deliver a multi-carrier shopping experience. This investment is paying off as we continue to lead the industry in desktop homeowner quote initiations.

Additionally, while getting shoppers through the quoting process is half the battle, forcing online shoppers to go offline and call to complete their sale is an antiquated and poor customer experience, and we've been investing to add online buy button functionality to the Progressive Home Direct property offering with availability now approaching 40 states. Recognizing the market opportunity ahead of us and the critical role that broadly available and competitively priced property products play in our future success, let's transition over to Dave Pratt for an update on progress with our property product development and exposure management initiatives.

Dave Pratt
President and CEO of ARX Holding Corp, Progressive

Thanks, Pat. I'll review the results in the property insurance business that's underwritten by Progressive, and then talk about the changes we're implementing to position this business for future growth and consistent profitability. Pat described the huge market opportunity presented by the Robinson bundled customers. Since Progressive acquired a controlling interest in ASI in 2015, we have invested to leverage Progressive's brand and distribution channels to attract and retain Robinson customers. We have rebranded ASI as Progressive Home, expanded the Platinum Agent program, and built online quoting and buying capabilities as Pat just described. These investments have helped us more than double the size of this business, reaching $2.2 billion in direct written premium last year. We're now the 10th-largest homeowners insurer in the United States. While we're happy with the growth of the property business, we are not satisfied with its profitability.

We've seen a consistent pattern over the last five years. Our underwriting expenses and non-weather losses have been consistent with our forecasts, but weather losses have been much higher than the estimates that we included in our pricing decisions. In order to diagnose how to address this problem, we'll look at our performance relative to the overall property insurance market. I'll provide an overview of our countrywide performance and then highlight a state case study focusing on the actions we've taken in Texas. When Progressive acquired a controlling interest in ASI in 2015, 64% of the company's homeowners premium came from Florida, Texas, and Louisiana. We have labeled those as legacy cat states in the map here.

Growth in other states has reduced that legacy cat mix from 64% to 41% in 2021 direct written premium, but that's still a much heavier mix than the 22% that these states represent of the overall U.S. homeowners insurance market. The challenges facing the Florida property market have been especially painful for Progressive since it represents almost one-quarter of our homeowners premium. Our Florida direct loss ratio over the last five years is 4 points better than the overall industry, but at 74.5, it's still much higher than our target for the state. We have grouped the remaining states based on their exposure to volatile weather perils. The yellow states in the center of the country experience significant hail losses. Our mix of business in those states is consistent with their share of the total industry premium.

The red states labeled moderate volatility are exposed to hurricane risk on the East Coast and wildfires in California, but there are less risky areas inland and away from the areas of the high wildfire risk. Progressive was a new entrant in the California market in 2016, so our mix of business in the moderate volatility states is less than their share of the overall industry. That leaves the less volatile states in green. As you can see, these more stable markets represented only 27% of our direct written premium last year, much lower than their 40% of total U.S. homeowners premium. In order to build a more stable homeowners book of business, we will limit growth in the volatile states and work to grow our share of premium in the less volatile markets.

You've seen this growth and profitability chart in the past for our auto insurance business. It shows combined ratio on the X-axis and premium growth in the Y-axis. Each dot represents one of the top 10 insurers, with the industry total represented by the black dot. We want to be in the upper right quadrant, representing profitable growth. Over the five years from 2017 through 2021, the U.S. homeowners insurance market grew at a 5% annual rate and suffered a combined ratio over 100. As we noted earlier, we're happy with Progressive's growth over that period, but we're certainly not satisfied with our position on the profitability axis. I talked before about our heavier than industry mix of business in the legacy cat states.

If we adjust Progressive's results by weighting our state-level results using the industry's mix of premium by state, our combined ratio would match the industry. Let's take one more look at our results over the last five years before moving on to our plans for shifting the mix to less volatile states. This chart shows our 2017 through 2021 direct homeowners loss ratio for the groups of states described earlier. As you'd expect from the mix-adjusted comparison of our results against the industry on the last page, our loss ratios are close to industry results within each group of states. This has been a difficult period for the industry in states with significant exposure to catastrophic weather, and our relatively high mix of business in those states has driven our overall property results to be worse than the industry.

I should note that California accounts for 45% of total industry homeowners premium in the states that we've labeled moderate volatility. California is less than 20% of Progressive's premium from those states. While I'm happy to say that our loss ratio was better than the industry in five of those six states, our relatively low exposure to California's wildfires in 2017 and 2018 exaggerates our relative performance advantage for this group of states. It's encouraging to see that Progressive's loss ratio is very close to the industry average in the less volatile states since we have relatively little experience operating in these markets. We hope to see our relative performance improve as we roll out product model improvements.

These regional comparisons simply reinforce the point that we need to shift our mix of business to build a property book that is consistently profitable. I'll talk next about the actions we're taking to accomplish that shift. As Tricia mentioned in her first quarter letter to shareholders, we have begun implementing a plan to shrink our business in Florida and limit growth in the other states with significant exposure to catastrophes. We've taken a number of actions in these states. We've increased rates, particularly for homes with older roofs. We've expanded underwriting eligibility restrictions to ensure that we're writing only business we expect to be profitable. We've introduced targeted non-renewals in areas with concentrations of risk or segments that are unprofitable. We've introduced cost-sharing initiatives, such as higher deductibles and actual cash value coverage on roofs that are nearing the end of their useful lives.

We've improved agency management, including a reduction in our agency force in select markets. While these changes are important, they're not sufficient. We can't shrink our way to success, so we also need to continue investing in product improvements that will support growth in the less volatile states. Over the last four years, we've made significant investments to develop the organizational capability to build and deliver best-in-class property insurance products. As you can see in the graph on the right, our product teams have grown from just 21 people in September of 2018 to 134 people at the end of this year's second quarter. We have added auto like capabilities to a team with significant amount of property experience and expertise. I'll briefly describe the new teams that we've added in the product area.

In the second quarter of 2018, we introduced an underwriting analytics team created to advance the science of underwriting and improve our risk selection. In the fourth quarter that year, we introduced a dedicated research and development organization to focus on product model development and segmentation improvements. In the first quarter of 2019, we introduced a dedicated pricing team. Finally, in the second quarter of last year, we introduced a new rate revision and product delivery team to improve our speed to market so that we can take these new model enhancements and roll them out more quickly. These investments have helped us to improve our product offerings with more improvements still to come.

In 2019, I described our 4.0 property product, which added new coverage features and expanded eligibility to meet the expectations of preferred agencies outside of our legacy cat states. We have since introduced the 4.1 product model, which allowed us to price the water peril more accurately. These two product versions are now live in 41 states that represent 93% of our non-Florida premium. We'll move to full by peril rating with the 5.0 product model. We've completed the research work for this new model, and IT development work is in process now. The first state is scheduled to go live during the first half of 2023. We expect 5.0 to offer more competitive rates for a majority of shoppers and allow us to further expand the range of risks that we can accept.

We will need these improvements to achieve our growth ambitions in the less volatile states. Now let's look at a case study for how these product improvements can help us improve results. In 2017, our Texas business was too concentrated in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, with that region representing 40% of our Texas business compared with roughly 20% of the single-family homes in the state. We also had too many customers with low wind hail deductibles, especially in the northern half of Texas that experiences frequent hail storms. Our customers are often encouraged to file claims after these storms by aggressive marketing from roofers. While a free roof initially sounds appealing, we found that customers with higher deductibles are less likely to file a claim for minor damage.

In order to address these problems, our Texas product manager increased rates, introduced higher deductible requirements for new customers, and improved price segmentation with the introduction of the 4.0, and then 4.1 product models. We have seen significant shifts in our Texas book of business as a result. The Dallas-Fort Worth mix is now in line with that area's share of homes in the state. Our average wind/hail deductible is up 50%, and we're attracting more bundled customers and fewer customers with roofs that are nearing the end of their useful life. These changes have resulted in improved performance relative to our competitors in Texas. In 2018 and 2019, our Texas combined ratio was 10 points worse than the industry.

As we've shifted the mix of business, we started to see improvement in 2020, and our 2021 combined ratio was 15 points better than the overall industry in Texas. We were able to accomplish these shifts without shrinking the total business in the state. We now expect to achieve our target profit margins over time or in an average year. It's important to note that Texas homeowners results are naturally volatile due to the state's exposure to big hurricane and hail events. That's why we have decided to limit growth in Texas as part of our overall plan to shift our mix to less volatile states. Texas is now well-positioned for profitable growth, but we want it to represent a smaller share of our total property premium over time. I'll close with two topics that many of you have asked about.

The first is the effect of inflation on our property business. The table on the left on this page shows our filed rate changes over the last 2.5 years in our core homeowners product. That table doesn't fully explain the changes in ultimate premiums that our renewing customers experience. Let me explain that process in a little more detail. When we sell a new homeowners insurance policy, we estimate the cost to replace the home in the event of a total loss. We insist that the agent insure the property for at least that amount to ensure adequate coverage for the customer. We update this replacement cost at every renewal event. If the estimated replacement cost has gone up, we automatically increase the coverage limit to maintain adequate coverage.

Until recently, these renewal adjustments typically increased coverage limits by 2% or 3% at each policy renewal. The blue line in the chart on the right shows the average year-over-year change in these coverage limits by quarter. You'll see that inflation-driven cost increases during the second half of last year jumped from the traditional 2%-3% to double-digit increases in average coverage limits. The orange line shows the average renewal premium increase paid by customers who renewed with us in each quarter. That orange line is a function not only of our filed rate change, but also the increases in coverage limit to ensure adequate coverage, and then any mix changes that might have resulted from some segments of customers renewing with us at a higher or lower rate as we've changed our product over time.

While we would certainly prefer to keep prices more stable for our customers, this automatic adjustment to maintain appropriate coverage helps us to maintain appropriate rate levels to compensate for increases in claims severity. Finally, I'll provide a brief update on our reinsurance program. We use reinsurance to protect Progressive's capital in the event of an unusually severe catastrophic event, in addition to protecting against unusually volatile property results. Progressive's a large and consistent purchaser of coverage using both traditional reinsurance and ILS markets. We've developed long-term trading relationships with our reinsurance providers, and we strive to keep them well-informed about our business results and plans. We currently retain the first $200 million in loss from a single catastrophe event, with reinsurance coverage available above that amount, up to a limit of $2.6 billion for a single Florida hurricane.

We also have $175 million in coverage available for aggregate losses from 2022 catastrophe events in excess of $575 million. While the total coverage limit and per-event retention will continue to evolve to fit the growth of our business, we expect to remain a consistent purchaser of reinsurance coverage. Consistent with this history, we were able to fully place our desired coverage at both the January 1st and June 1st renewal events. Let me summarize briefly before we take your questions. As Pat described earlier, a competitive property insurance product is required for Progressive to attract and retain bundled auto and home customers, and this segment represents a huge growth opportunity for Progressive. In the direct channel, our multi-carrier property agency and market-leading quote volume are driving success.

We're investing to improve the profitability in our underwritten property business to support continued Robinson growth in the independent agency channel. Through rate increases, coverage limitations, and underwriting eligibility restrictions, we have improved results relative to our competitors. Best-in-class product design will support growth in the less volatile states, while a reduction in our Florida exposure and growth limits in our other states exposed to volatile catastrophe risk will reduce the volatility of our overall property results. We will continue to use reinsurance to protect Progressive's capital from extreme events. Thanks again for joining us this morning. We'll now begin our live question and answer session.

Douglas Constantine
Director of Investor Relations, Progressive

This concludes the previously recorded portion of today's event. We now have members of our management team available live to answer questions, including presenters Pat Callahan and Dave Pratt, who can answer questions about the property presentation. The Q&A session will be audio only, and questions can be submitted over the phone by pressing star one one on the keypad. In order to get to as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Please note we have uploaded new PDFs of the presentation which include all maps and match the webcast feed. These can be pulled from the webcast window in the Supporting Materials tab in the upper right corner. We apologize for the inconvenience. We will now take our first question.

Operator

One moment. Our first question will come from Elyse Greenspan of Wells Fargo.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. My first question is on personal auto. You guys, you know, echoed what you said last quarter, that, you know, your rates are where you need to be in the majority of states. You know, we haven't really started to see your advertising pick up when we look at the expense ratio that was reported over the quarter. Can you just kind of explain, you know, how, you know, you're balancing advertising in a return to growth, you know, relative to where you are on the pricing side of things?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Absolutely, Elyse. I think the headline for our private passenger auto is we think trends are encouraging and it's playing out as we had hoped. Like we said, we had the majority of the rates behind us with the caveat of a few larger states. If you look at the 10-Q, our direct prospects are up 5% this quarter. They were down 11% last quarter, and that is with the spend down 7%, as you've identified. We're spending less per new prospect with a ton of upside because we still don't have local media on in 19 states. That was 26 states in April. We continue to be able to open up with local advertising. Said another way, competitors are less aggressive due to their profitability challenges.

We've seen that play out with some of the 10-Qs that have been reported, and that allows us to acquire leads at a more efficient rate. We'll continue to spend to get more, but we won't spend unnecessarily to create more business. I think I don't usually talk about one month in a quarter, but I think it's important to know that the prospect volume in June of 2022 was our largest June ever. We're pretty pleased about incoming volume and excited about continuing that, of course, with the caveat of all things that could happen with this last couple of years.

I think another way to look at it, in terms of are we positioned well, and this might be a little bit further afield of your question, but we want to look at average written premium. If you look at average written premium over 2021, it was zero. In first quarter it was up about 6%, second quarter up about 11%. Those are written numbers and on average take four-ish months to earn in or hit the denominator for the combined ratio. The numerator is increasing about 7%-8% based on frequency and severity changes that we've posted. Right now, with the exception of a couple of states where we need a fair amount of rate, we believe we'll be able to take modest rate increases.

We've talked in the past, with the exception of this year, about taking small bites of the apple. We'd like to get into that because we know that our customers want stable rates. We feel good about our position. I also feel really great about our continued investment in segmentation. About 65% of our countrywide premium are on 8.7%. We just rolled out a new product model, 8.8%, in Iowa, and we'll have more information on that. Overall, we feel great. We'll advertise more and open up more local markets as we feel necessary and when we have the right rate. Of course, each state is different. We feel pretty bullish.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

Thanks. Maybe a follow-up to that. You just mentioned modest rate increases from here. When you make that comment, like, what are you assuming going forward for severity, how things will trend relative to what we've seen through the first half of the year? I know frequency, right, was negative in the second quarter, and there was a benefit you guys called out from gas prices. How are you thinking about severity and frequency from here, you know, when you know, make the comment that you only expect to need to take modest rate increases?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Well, you know, frequency was down about 8%. We're gonna continue to watch that. We also look at vehicle miles traveled, and March through May, it was down about 12%. In June and through July, we're seeing it down a little bit more. We're not quite certain of all the reasons behind it. We believe gas prices might be a little bit of that. Gas prices are fairly inelastic. We also know through surveys that maybe 15%-20% of the population are still pretty nervous about going out and about, so they still are fearful of COVID, and rightly so. We look at that, and I think what I'm watching closely, and I don't know that we'll know for a couple of quarters is how work from home settles in.

I know that I talk to a lot of my peers in other industries and there's a lot less people coming in and could that change after the summer? We don't know. We're gonna watch those three things to look at vehicle miles traveled and frequency. I'm gonna watch more on those. As far as severity, we look at the Manheim index for used car prices. That's ticked down a teeny bit, but still at all-time high. We'll continue to watch that as well as sort of secondary and tertiary things like labor cost in body shops. If techs are making more and if there's less of a supply of people fixing those cars, we know that rentals could extend longer.

Again, we can't, you know, predict exactly what's gonna happen from the severity trends, but we do, you know, obviously account for every single data point as we continue to go. We look at when we're looking at our increases, we bake that in. Do you guys wanna add anything to that? You good? Does that answer your question, Elyse?

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Wells Fargo

Yes, that does. Thank you.

Operator

Okay. One moment. Our next question will come from Michael Phillips of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Michael Phillips
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks, good morning. Two questions on the home side, both kind of longer term questions. I guess first, on the distribution of homeowners, you went through the three kinds of, you know, the captive, independent, direct. You didn't mention this, and maybe that's the answer, is do you see any growth opportunities through, I guess, what I'll call institutional kinds of clients, so mortgage service providers, home builders and things like that for kind of longer term growth in homeowners?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, I would say we look for any kind of growth. I know that we've worked with, you know, construction builders before, and we've talked about mortgage companies. We've had actually some tests and things that we've done with some mortgage companies, Rocket Mortgage as an example. Do you wanna talk a little bit more about that, Pat?

Pat Callahan
President of Personal Lines, Progressive

Yeah. I mean, I think the embedded insurance into transactions or life events where people are acquiring the underlying asset, be it an auto, be it a boat, motorcycle, RV, or be it a home, presents a shopping opportunity where we absolutely wanna position our products to both facilitate the transaction by ensuring the collateral can transfer and be protected, provided it's got some outstanding loan or paper on it. We are starting to work more with, as you mentioned, you know, digital lenders as well as more traditional lenders through independent agents. It is a growth opportunity for us, and we are constantly looking at how to position our products best where consumers want them, need them, and frankly are shopping for them so we can participate in those transactions.

Michael Phillips
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Perfect. Thanks. Second one, again, kind of longer term on homeowners. In auto, your Snapshot and telematics has kind of been all the rage and how that could change the pricing in auto. In longer term, is there kind of an analogy for that in homeowners that something could come and, you know, make pricing more accurate, that companies could start talking about at some point? Sort of analogous to how we drive our car?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. I think there's several analogies. Obviously, the ones that Dave talked about was age of roof, et cetera. Water damage is a lot. If you can have systems in place that alerts you to something if you're out of the home and there's water damage. We look at all of those things in terms of let's think water damage, think of security systems, think of number of people in the household. I think there's a lot of related items that we've looked at in the past several years and will continue to look at to understand kinda that same rate to risk in home as we have in our auto product.

Michael Phillips
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you very much.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thanks.

Operator

One moment. Our next question will come from David Motemaden of Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

David Motemaden
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Hi, good morning. Tricia, you had said that you don't have local media turned on in 19 states in June. That was down versus 26 states in April. Just wondering how much premium do those 19 states represent where you don't have the local media advertising turned on? Could you just talk about how far away you are from turning those on? What sort of metrics you're looking at? I guess really just wondering how far away you are from turning those on.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, each state is a little different animal, and it really depends on when we got the rate that we needed and when it's earning in, and when we feel comfortable that we wanna grow and grow profitably. Although we wouldn't share the aggregate premium or the states really necessarily for that matter, we'll continue to assess that, channel by channel, state by state as we get the rate that we need in order to be adequate.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

We can tell you know, that it's well known that there are a few key states where we cannot get rate, and those are significant states. It's not a small percentage of the U.S. households that is not getting the local rate from us. It's a definite upside for us, once we get rate adequate in those states.

David Motemaden
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Then if I just look at the severity up 16% year-over-year this quarter, and I understand BI is a part of that. I'm just wondering if you can maybe just break out how much of that up 16% is being driven by used car prices specifically.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. A significant part is driven by car prices, total losses, cost to repair. I talked a little bit about the other parts of that that go along with that. Parts prices are up around 5%, labor rates are up around 3%, and our rental cars are up between 0.5% and 1%. All those inclusive, a lot of it has to do with car prices, both from a total loss perspective and a used car perspective. Obviously, if the used car prices are up, and they are, they're up significantly since pre-COVID, many of those won't be totaled, and the repairs become more expensive.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

A rough estimate for, you know, the impact of vehicle valuation on severity across our physical damage lines is around half. That's not exact to cars, but, as a walking around number, it's pretty close.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. Severity is up 16% overall, but up in the 20-ish% rate in both collision and PD. Thank you. Moving forward.

Operator

Our next question will come from Yaron Kinar of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yaron Kinar
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. Good morning. I want to turn back to the homeowners business, for a second and, maybe tying it to the Robinson. In the presentation, kind of show Robinson's making up about 11% of your overall book. Is that generally consistent across the country, or is the weighting of Robinson's greater in the Southeast and the more volatile states?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. I would say the weighting of Robinsons are greater in the states that we've grown in, more historically from ASI, from ARX. That's also one of the reasons why we want to be able to expand through the country, not just to de-risk the portfolio, but to grow in Robinsons, which is why we will likely add more Platinum agents in those states and reduce Platinum agents in the states we've had before. Do you want to add anything, Pat?

Pat Callahan
President of Personal Lines, Progressive

Yeah, no, I think that's the primary driver, right? We've been in the auto business for 85 years. We've been expanding our property business over the last, you know, five to 10 to get to the 47 where we're right today. There's still a mismatch between kind of how long we've been in the market and how long we frankly had competitive property offerings to bundle with our auto offerings.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

Just for clarity there, that 11% includes our customers that are bundled with third-party carriers. We started offering bundles in our direct channel well before the agency penetration, which we achieved with, again, ASI, ARX. The distribution of the home is a little more aligned with countrywide because of the footprint of our direct business was obviously countrywide from the inception of you know direct. We had homeowner coverage pretty much across the country. On the direct side, you know, caveating that, of course, there are a few markets that are troublesome for all carriers, so it's a little tighter there. Generally, we're pretty well distributed for Robinsons on the direct side, a little more concentrated on the agency side.

Yaron Kinar
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. That's helpful clarification. I guess my follow-up to that would be on the goodwill impairment. Is that purely a function of higher than expected loss ratio, or is it also a function of, in reaction to that loss ratio, slowing down growth in those more volatile states? I guess what I'm trying to get to also with this question is, I'm assuming that as you're looking to grow in the less volatile states, you are going to encounter separate competition from national carriers that were probably less interested in penetrating the Southeast and in the volatile states.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. I think I'll start with the latter part of your question. Yeah. I think the competition will be greater in those states. The goodwill impairment was based on just the significant catastrophic losses that we've had. When we purchased ARX, we had certain assumptions on combined ratios, and of course, we have a cat load. It's far surpassed that, as Dave talked about. It was that, when, you know, we periodically look at goodwill. When we looked at it, we took into account the severe catastrophes where we're concentrated, as well as just some recent legislation in Florida. As you know, we wanted to non-renew about 60,000 policies. There's some new legislation that requires us or where we'll ask our customers if they had a new roof or their.

The life of a roof is at least five years. We will renew them, which will be good because that means they've gotten a new roof and it's something we'd want to write. We're not sure exactly how many of those 60,000 we will not renew, but we took that into account when we were looking at the impairment.

Yaron Kinar
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Thanks for the helpful color.

Operator

Our next question will come from Andrew Kligerman, Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Andrew Kligerman
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey, good morning. Starting with the bundling in the Robinsons channel. Independent agents, just by their nature, have relationships with numerous carriers. My question is, how does Progressive break into that bundling effort? Maybe tying in pricing into the equation. Do you have to provide a significant discount? Could you give a little color around that?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. I mean, one of the reasons we purchased ARX was to have access to those bundled customers in the independent agent channel. You know, we know independent agents love our service, love our, you know, our ability to, you know, to handle claims well. What would happen is, you know, they would have to write with someone else if they wanted to bundle. That was a big effort. You know, we are very broadly distributed in our independent agent channel, have over 40,000 independent agents.

What we did was really try to have a few or more of a scarcity model on the Platinum program with certain agents that we wanted to have them write the Robinsons, our auto home bundle, you know, be the number one, two or three carrier in their firm. That's sort of how we look at that. We also then had to make some changes, whether it was compensation changes in the form of higher commissions, as well as writing 12-month auto policies to align with those 12-month home policies. There's about 4,000 Platinum agents across the country. We work well with them.

They consider us, you know, very preferred in their firms, and that's why we wanna make sure that we're adequately priced on both auto and home to continue to grow with those agents. In fact, I was just with. We have an agency council that we had an outgoing group and an incoming group, and we talked a lot about efforts to grow, and I'm bullish about being able to do that, obviously in the right venues.

Andrew Kligerman
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Tricia, discounting material discounts, any color on that part of the equation?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Well, we rate to have our target profit margin. You get a multiproduct discount when you have multiproducts. I don't know that we ever really talked specifically about that, those amounts.

Pat Callahan
President of Personal Lines, Progressive

No. To win in the agency channel, we have to have a viable value proposition for both the clients of the agency and for the agents themselves. On the client side, we have to have competitive and stable pricing, we have to have a quality product, and we have to have really competitive pricing. That's where, as Dave mentioned, we've got work to do to expand the perils that we write, improve the segmentation, and frankly, just have more competitive pricing for the agent's clients. On the agent side, we have to have great ease of use and competitive compensation for the effort it takes to write a policy with Progressive.

That's where, as Tricia mentioned, the Platinum program has competitive offering of compensation for our agents that pays more based on how much and what quality of business or type of business they're placing with us over time. Then we're known for ease of use through great systems and technology over many, many years. Not explicitly buying market share or as you said, buying shelf space for a proxy. We are competing based on a quality of a competitive product for the clients in the agency channel and our value proposition for the agents who sell it.

Andrew Kligerman
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Got it. Very, very helpful. Just with regard to the auto side, non-rate actions this quarter, any color that you could provide around that magnitude, what types of non-rate actions you've been taking and plan to take?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, it's really dependent on each state. In some states we've had some underwriting and bill plan restrictions. Obviously, an easier way to go is what I've talked about in terms of turning local media off. Those are for the most part what we use to try to stall growth a little bit when we don't have adequate rates.

Andrew Kligerman
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Thank you.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Joshua Shanker of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Joshua Shanker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. Thank you. In the prepared presentation, you made a comment that the average PLE of a Robinson was about 3x that of a Sam. I remember from presentation maybe in 2013 or 2014, you made the comment that the lifetime value of a Robinson was probably 4x-5x t hat of a Sam. You've had a decade of experience now, and obviously in this period of time you've seen in disruptive pricing how quickly the Sams leave and the Robinsons stay. Can you talk about that PLE statistic versus the lifetime value statistic? It was suggested a multiplier to lifetime value, maybe that's ticket size or maybe you've updated your thoughts on the value proposition of the different segments.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

Sure. The lifetime value calculation would include not only the PLE difference but the average premium difference. We target common margins across segments of the business. For across the auto program, we're targeting similar margins, but different segments have different average premiums as well as policy life expectancy, and you sort of multiply those together, and that's how you come to a bigger lifetime value.

Joshua Shanker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

That 4x-5x is still probably close to accurate?

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

That's probably.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

I think generally we'd have to go back and look at the specific math now, but I would say probably generally.

Joshua Shanker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

All right. Thank you. In thinking about the next couple of years and looking back to maybe 2016, 2017, 2018, can we talk about the efficacy of a national ad campaign strategy versus targeted paid search spend and whatnot. At the early stages, when your pricing is adequate and the rest of the market's pricing is still trying to play catch up, what does that mean for the marketing strategy? Do you need to spend to get customers to come to Progressive, or is there a period where the customers elect to come because of your brand recognition and whatnot, where the acquisition costs are lower in the early stages of a hard market?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

I think you do a little bit of both. I mean, I think a lot of it depends on what the competition is doing. When Elyse asked the question, I talked about, you know, efficiently acquiring leads has to do with the competition in the digital space. You know, The national brand is really important. It is one of our pillars, our strategic pillars. We wanna be the brand that talks about savings protection. We wanna be known that gives, you know, consideration. We wanna be in the shortlist. Then the local marketing really through, you know, most of online search, that's a nice lever to be able to turn off and on when we wanna grow. A gain, that's very dependent on supply and demand and what's happening in the industry with our competition.

I feel like we're in a good position now. Again, we have some states we wanna turn on. John talked about a couple of large states we'd love to get adequate rates in so we can continue to grow. We feel like we're in a good position. We have some levers and, you know, we've had a tremendous amount of growth in the last five years. In fact, we've added 7 million PIFs and grown auto PIFs 70%. That was, you know, coming off the last hard market. You know, I'm not gonna say that we're gonna grow that same amount in the next couple of years, but that's always been our playbook, to position ourselves to get out ahead of rate, have a lot of different levers on marketing and then move as quickly as we can.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

Josh, if I might add a little bit there. I think that's a great question, and I think the answer is it plays to our strengths. If you look at the percentage of folks coming to shop at Progressive that we would attribute to mass media from the kind of the timeframe that you talked about to today, it has shifted a lot to much more specifically attributable media, and we are great at analyzing the data fairly real time and making decisions very quickly to be able to redeploy dollars to go to the most effective way of bringing people in. I think it's because of technology and the data available increasingly in a real-time basis that is allowing us to get more and more of our media spend really, really effective.

Mass media, as Tricia mentioned, and our brand are obviously, you know, the first step. It's crucial to have that brand awareness, but then the agility and the data and analysis that goes into really targeting, again, I think plays to our strengths and has allowed us to continue to grow advertising spend and be super efficient.

Joshua Shanker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you for all the answers.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thanks, Josh.

Operator

Our next question will come from Tracy Benguigui of Barclays. Your line is open. Your line is open, Tracy.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Didn't hear my full name. Thank you. My first question, two quarters ago, you were telling me when you have a first-party total loss collision, you're gonna pay that immediately, so you'll recognize the elevated cost of new and used cars in real time. O n a third-party perspective, there's often a delay in subrogation. I'd provide an update on the life cycle of claims, how you feel about the strength of reserves for claims that you were notified last year that may only be settling now. I guess ultimately, I'm just trying to understand if you think auto is becoming more of a medium tail line these days from short tail.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, I would say it's still a short tail. I think in the last couple of years, when you look at the data on subrogation from a property damage, whether it's incoming or outbound, there's been delays for many different reasons, and probably more recently in the last couple of quarters been on staffing. You know, you've looked at the unemployment rate, and I know, myself, along with many of my peers, have wanted to really, you know, get ahead of staffing, and it's been a little bit more challenging. Personally, at Progressive, we feel like we're in a really good position right now. I wouldn't have necessarily said that a couple of quarters ago.

The timing depends on when you're able to settle that claim and then, of course, get the paperwork to the other company and of course, for us, either we're paying out to them or they're paying out to us. I think it's still short tail. I think that will, you know, hopefully, we expect it will level out at some point when staffing is normalized across the industry and we get back to, sort of claims as usual. I will say that is an important piece because any time that you can get salvage or subrogation settled more timely, that hits the bottom line.

In fact, I was talking to our claims president a few weeks ago, and we feel like we are very adequately staffed in claims, and we're actually going to move some people over to subrogation salvage in the near future until the end of the year to get some of those closed at a more timely fashion.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Can I infer from your comments on staffing that you feel good about the strength of your reserves or claims that you were notified last year?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, I feel.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

You'll be settling now.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, I feel very comfortable. Gary, you can comment on this. We have our head of actuary here, but I feel very good about our strength of reserves. To date, we're about 0.6 points on the CRM favorable. We were favorable in this quarter, and we feel really good. Part of our reserving that we look into, and Gary, you can talk about this, is we have a robust roll-forward process where we take into account existing and new features, inflationary factors.

Gary S. Traicoff
Fellow of the Casualty Actuarial Society and Member of the American Academy of Actuaries, Progressive

Sure. Thanks, Tricia. Yeah. A good question. To Tricia's point, overall, we feel very good about our reserves, right? Our goal is always adequate reserves with minimal variation, and our philosophy has been very consistent over the long term. We have developed unfavorably year to date about 0.6 points on the combined ratio. Personal auto about 0.3 of a point, and commercial about 2%. That's in line with where we've been in the past at midyear. If you look historically, we've ended the year generally within a 0.10 or 0.20 of a point. To Tricia's point, we do have a paper that we publish on our investor site, so you could read more detail about our methodology.

We will look at about 25 or a little bit over 25% of the reserves monthly. Then on the other 75%, we have an inflation factor that we apply. If any new features come in or existing features, they automatically go up with inflation, based off severity. As features age, as they become attorney-repped, et cetera, we have automatic adjustments for those. We feel that we've kept up very well with the rising costs. You know, to your point, Tracy, we have seen somewhat of a slowdown relative to closing claims compared to the past, just with everything going on over the last couple of years.

Because of that mechanism we have, we can adjust as they age, as they become attorney-repped, et cetera. Naturally, we've been able to keep up, just as we would've intended.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

That's great color. One of your large competitors is no longer selling auto insurance in California. I was wondering what your appetite is these days to write business in California.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

We would love to write more business in California. It is the most populous state. You know, unfortunately right now, we aren't able to get adequate rates. Once we're able to do that, we are open for business, and we'll write as much as we can. Right now, there's about 30 auto programs representing close to half the California market that have rate increases pending. We have one pending in one of our auto programs from January. We'll likely have at least another one in the near future. If we can get the rate that we need to be adequately rated, we wanna write all the business we can. You know, the moratorium on rate increases in California is unfortunate because we don't think it serves the consumers of California.

You only have, you know, a couple things to do and, you know, there's a couple levers that we talked about, and we'll use those tactics to slow growth. We wanna be a part of the future California market, and we'll do what we can to get there.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Yeah, when you mentioned that, you know, it doesn't serve California consumers well, could you envision a whole market growing in California for auto if auto really becomes unavailable?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

What? I'm sorry. Could you repeat your question? I didn't hear that.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Yeah. You were saying that the rules there don't really serve consumers well, and if there is lack of appetite by auto insurers to write business in California, do you think there would be a residual market created?

Gary S. Traicoff
Fellow of the Casualty Actuarial Society and Member of the American Academy of Actuaries, Progressive

Residual.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Similar to, let's say, workers' comp.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Got it. Okay.

Pat Callahan
President of Personal Lines, Progressive

Yeah. I mean, we've seen residual markets come and go in various states over many decades. As you note, generally when there's not willing voluntary private market participation, there has to be a backstop given the mandatory insurance requirements. Could there be growth of a residual market in California? Absolutely. There it's up to the regulator to decide if that's a path that they want to go down. I think we've seen historically, you know, states like New York where it grew rapidly and then with voluntary participation, you know, there was better options, more competition, and consumers benefit when there's availability that brings competition that drives affordability.

Carriers compete on both price and service, whereas the backstop residual markets, unfortunately, typically provide a minimum level of both. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is there precedent? Yeah. We've seen markets where voluntary participation shrinks and residual markets grow, and therefore it could happen in California.

Tracy Benguigui
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Ryan Tunis of Autonomous Research. Your line is open.

Ryan Tunis
Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Tricia, first question. I think I heard you make the comment that you won't say you'll grow the next two years like you did.

Five years after the last hard market we had in 2016. When we think about the mid-teens% type of PIF growth you had coming out of that last hard market, could you just kind of compare this hard market to that? Like what are some of the relative challenges?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Well, I think, and my point, Ryan, was more of it's a really big ship now. It's a much bigger ship than it was back in 2016. As a percentage basis, growth, you know, growing 70% in auto is gonna be tough. The bottom line is we will grow as fast as we possibly can at or below our target profit margins, and that's what we're gonna do as the hard market continues. It's sort of hard to foreshadow what will happen right now because I feel like we're right in the midst of it, and we have, you know, the rate that we're earning in, yet to earn in and, more advertising to open up. Of course, a lot of it depends on what the competition is doing.

My reason for saying that was just that we, you know, we have grown a tremendous amount and just, you know, any company when you get the size of us, it's harder to grow as quickly on a percentage basis.

Ryan Tunis
Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Makes sense. I guess my follow-up is just trying to figure out what I'm missing on, you know, thinking about some of the rate adequacy comments. It sounds like you've got about 7 points of rate, you know, earn in and out. You feel like you're done. You still feel like you're done with most of the, you know, big actions you have to take. I think you mentioned that repair cost is still adding, you know, 3-5 points. Frequency is I think 8 points lower today than it was a year ago, and we're in a work-from-home environment then too. Like, is your rate adequacy comment all sort of backward-looking? Or, like, have you started thinking a little bit about what do you think prospective loss trend might be in 2023?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

I mean, we're always thinking about the future, but, you know, we got out ahead of rates. If you think about 2021, we had about 8%, and most of that was in the second half. We have 9% year to date with the 5% earning in. I feel, you know, that's why I said we may have modest rate increases. Again, there are a couple states where we need a lot more rate, and that's on average. When I talk about the 8%, 9% and the 5% yet to earn in, that is very different depending on different states, but on average. That's where we feel good. You know, likely we'll have to take some modest rate increases as we watch the trends, but we will do that as we see the trends unfold.

Ryan Tunis
Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

I guess my last one is just, I know there's a comment in the 10-Q about really focusing on retention, which makes sense, given some of the PLE declines. I was wondering if there is a strategy here where you feel it makes more sense to pass through a little bit less rate on the renewal book and maybe focus less on new business? Is that why you feel good about still hitting the 96%, that the strategy is more sort of retention-focused than the new app focus at this point? I just wanted to kind of clarify that comment in the 10-Q.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah, you know, where we want to grow is PIF growth, and so that includes both new and renewal business. Retention has always been our holy grail. You pay a lot to get a customer in, and you want to keep them through stable rates and great service. Obviously, when you have to crank up rates a lot, when trends change dramatically, you're going to lose people. We knew that would happen, but we want to keep everybody we can at or below our target margins for the renewal business. Then new business, obviously, we want to come in because we want to take advantage of a competitive market when others are raising rates after we've raised rates. Both are important. PIF growth is our preferred measure of growth, and that will take a longer time.

You know, new business is more, you know, precise, more day-to-day. PIF growth will take a little bit longer since we've had some degradation in PLE and we're looking forward to starting to ramp up PIF growth.

Ryan Tunis
Research Analyst, Autonomous Research

Thank you.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Derek Han of KBW. Derek, your line is open.

Derek Han
Assistant VP of Equity Research, KBW

Good morning. Thanks. Just wanted to follow up on the last question. How should we think about the timeframe for reaccelerating PIF growth, especially as you pull back in property?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

You know, I think it'll be a little bit different likely in the different channels, and I don't want to signal exactly when we'll see it grow. A lot will depend on the caveats that we talked about with states opening up, media opening up and getting our rates stable. I don't want to signal that. I'll let you know as it unfolds.

John Sauerland
VP and CFO, Progressive

I'd just offer, it's also very dependent upon the competitive market. We've seen a few competitors report second quarter combined over 100. We have one competitor who is reporting their rate increases monthly. We see another place where in large markets we see very mature competitors taking multiple double-digit increases in very short periods. It's an environment that's pretty hard. If competitors continue to take aggressive action, we're gonna be able to get back to PIF growth much faster than if they don't, both obviously on the new side. The retention is not only a function of our rate increases, it's relative to what our consumers can find out in the marketplace when they go shop. If competitors will raise rates as well, then, you know, our retention will improve.

It's really difficult to project. I think all of our product managers are taking the right actions at the local level. As we continue to note, if we can get rate adequate in some key markets, you know, we'll be in even better position to grow.

Derek Han
Assistant VP of Equity Research, KBW

Okay. That, that's really helpful. Then Tricia, when you say that most rate increases are behind you, does that mean re-filings or implemented rate changes or something else?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. It just means the majority of the rate increases that we were able to get, and again, the caveat with a couple states, are on the street. That's why I wanted to try to walk through a little bit about how we think about them earning in. You know, when you have the rate, it's gonna take some time to earn in, and we feel good about that we're in the heart of that, and that we still have 5 more points to earn in as we speak.

Derek Han
Assistant VP of Equity Research, KBW

Got it. Yeah. If I could just squeeze in one last question. Does your personal auto pricing assume that currently elevated overall inflation rates are gonna filter into the medical cost components?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. We look at inflation differently with medical and physical damage, but we see BI trends up a bit, general damages, specifically with attorney reps. Of course, we look at medical inflation as well, when we look at our rates for each line coverage, whether it's medical payments or bodily injury.

Derek Han
Assistant VP of Equity Research, KBW

Okay. Thank you for the color.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question will come from Michael Zaremski at BMO. Your line's open.

Michael Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Hey, great. Good morning. First question, I'm curious, you know, in light of your experience with ARX over the past years, you know, when we think about Progressive's growth strategies, in both on the commercial BOP side specifically and I guess in home as well, has that experience changed your view on M&A in terms of kind of large scale, you know, ARX is, I think all in over $1 billion. Has that changed your view on kind of where M&A fits in accelerating those growth strategies?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

No, I think we always learn every time there's an acquisition, and we haven't been, you know, a big acquirer over the years. I think we've learned a lot of lessons. I think any new product that you go into, you learn. You know, when we went direct, we didn't make money for quite some time because we were learning. We do the same with every new product. I think, you know, I look at acquisitions more of, you know, is there some technology that we want? Is there some access we want? ARX was access. Is this an easy way to continue our portfolio?

That's one of the reasons why we acquired Protective on the commercial line side because we knew we had the acumen to, you know, look at smaller fleets. They have medium to larger fleets. That was something that was important to us as we grow into the fleet program. That's really how I look at it. I think acquisitions, if you don't do them very often, you're always gonna learn a lot. One of the things that we have built since then is an area of the company where we look at M&A, and we look at what we need in order to be successful in that. That's within our strategy team.

We're getting our arms much better around that, and I think that's what ARX taught us, is that you have to have probably a lot more investments early on in order to get our arms around the product. We're doing that with Protective. I'm very excited about the Protective acquisition, where we're at. It was much different than ARX, just as a learning, and how we can leverage that much more quickly.

Michael Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

I guess as a follow-up, Tricia, on the commercial BOP side, given, you know, you're entering a lot of new states and some new products, do you feel comfortable with your level of expertise?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Not at this point. We'll get there. You know, first we wanted to create the BOP product, and we went, you know, really small. If you think about small business, it's usually defined as 100 employees or less. We're at 20 employees or less. We're very, very surgical to understand that rate to risk, and we wanted to expand it out to the states. We're in 37 states. We're learning every day. As we learn more, just like we have in many parts of our commercial business, we'll be able to expand that. We get more and more comfort every single day.

Michael Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. My follow-up is pivoting to your presentation today. I think you mentioned over $1 billion of home premiums written on unaffiliated carrier balance sheets. Just curious, maybe you could shed some light on those partnerships and just, you know, is some of that business, you know, in states you'd like to grow in and might be kind of up for grabs over time as you expand your appetite in certain states?

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Yeah. We've had what we've called Progressive Advantage Agency for many, many years, and we continue to build a stable of carriers that can serve many different values of homes. Many of those are in places where we're gonna grow. The partnerships are really incredible, and they wanna grow with us, and it's all about the right rate at the right time. We continue to grow there. We've put it online with our HomeQuote Explorer, where we have a buy button in I forget how many states.

Douglas Constantine
Director of Investor Relations, Progressive

38 for Progressive Home.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

38 for Progressive Home. Yeah, we continue to invest in there, and it's nice to have, you know, to have the partners to work with. Again, we've always been about choice, and we wanna make sure if our rate isn't the best, that we have opportunities to be able to have our customer still bundle with Progressive Auto and those partnerships.

Michael Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you.

Tricia Griffith
President and CEO, The Progressive Corporation

Thank you.

Douglas Constantine
Director of Investor Relations, Progressive

That appears to have been our final question, and so that concludes our event. Tanya, I'll hand the call back over to you for the closing scripts.

Operator

Certainly. This concludes The Progressive Corporation's second quarter investor event. Information about the replay of the event will be available on the investor relations section of Progressive's website for the next year. You may now disconnect.

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