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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Aug 6, 2020

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Park Hotels & Resorts' second quarter 2020 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will folIow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference. Please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ian Weissman, SVP Corporate Strategy. Please go ahead.

Ian Weissman
SVP of Corporate Strategy, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone to the Park Hotels & Resorts second quarter 2020 earnings call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that many of the comments made today are considered forward-looking statements under Federal Securities Laws. As described in our filings with the SEC, these statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause future results to differ from those expressed. We are not obligated to publicly update or revise these forward-looking statements. In addition, on today's call, we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial information, such as adjusted EBITDA. You can find this information together with the reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in the morning's earnings release, as well as in our 8-K filed with the SEC. The supplemental financial information is available on our website at pkhotelsandresorts.com.

This morning, Tom Baltimore, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, will provide an update on Park's current operations, in addition to his thoughts on the industry as a whole. Sean Dell'Orto, our Chief Financial Officer, will provide a brief review of our second quarter results, as well as an update on our balance sheet and liquidity. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Tom.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thank you, Ian, and welcome everyone. I want to start by saying that I hope all of you and your families remain safe, healthy, and well. Without a doubt, the last five months have been the most challenging period the lodging industry has ever faced, with travel grinding to a virtual standstill amid mandated stay-at-home orders and restrictive travel policies across the world. While the U.S. began a gradual reopening in early June, COVID-19 cases continue to rise, and with widespread uncertainty, travel demand remains largely depressed. With social distancing practices still very much the norm, businesses have encouraged employees to remain at home, and many school districts will implement virtual or remote learning for students, both of which are major impediments to business travel. We don't expect a meaningful increase in demand until medical solutions, including vaccines and therapeutics, are in place.

We are encouraged by the global race underway and the pace of vaccines in development, including several that are moving into phase III trials. Despite these challenges, our team remains committed to executing our action plans to mitigate our losses and bolster our liquidity. We moved quickly in March and April as we suspended operations at 38 of our 60 hotels, dramatically reduced our capital spend by over 75%, and drew down our $1 billion from our revolver. We further solidified the balance sheet by amending our corporate credit facility to obtain covenant relief and substantially increased our liquidity with a $650 million bond issuance.

Through the combination of these actions, we ended the quarter with over $1.6 billion of liquidity available, a $300 million increase from the end of the first quarter, and reduced our monthly cash burn rate to $65 million, assuming all hotels have suspended operations, or a 23% reduction from our original estimate. This equates to over two years of runway under the most severe circumstances, which keeps Park well-positioned to navigate the disruption from the pandemic. While we recognize the situation remains extremely fluid, as stay-at-home and travel restrictions continue to fluctuate, our focus has shifted to the recovery phase as we begin the process of reopening our hotels.

Generally speaking, there are a number of factors we consider in determining when to reopen a hotel and at what capacity, including state and local ordinances, demand and booking trends, airlift capacity, the potential to consolidate operations with neighboring Park Hotels, and ultimately, the cost benefit of opening versus remaining closed. Accordingly, as restrictions started to ease in June, we reopened 10 hotels during the month, followed by another 10 hotels in July, all of which were done relatively quickly and with minimal startup cost. Currently, we have 42 of our 60 hotels open, accounting for approximately 53% of our total room count. Over the balance of the third quarter, we expect to open an additional 11 hotels, bringing our total open count to 53 hotels by September the 30th, accounting for almost 80% of our total room count, and with most of the remaining suspended hotels open by year-end.

Turning to broader operating trends, we have seen pressure across all segments and markets, with leisure transient and drive-to locations performing better on a relative basis. Hawaii remains one of our more challenged markets, with the state extending its mandatory 14-day quarantine restriction for travelers through at least September the 1st, while also requiring inbound travelers beyond that date to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test. On a positive note, however, Japan recently included Hawaii on an exclusive list of just 12 countries and regions they have designated as safe travel partners. With Japan accounting for more than 1.5 million visitors to Hawaii in 2019, this is an important step forward given how meaningful Japan is to Hawaii tourism. In 2019, inbound travel from Japan accounted for nearly 19% of total demand across our two Hawaiian hotels.

Turning to San Francisco, which is among the most challenged hotel markets in the country, the mayor ordering all hotels closed, with the exception of those housing first responders and essential workers. The outlook over the back half of 2020 remains challenged, with all major citywides either canceled or scaled back, and with the majority of the city's largest business transient players electing to keep associates at home for the foreseeable future. On the group side, we are working to rebook canceled events. However, most are targeting the second half of 2021 or beyond at this point. South Florida was a relative bright spot in the portfolio, with both of our Key West hotels and the Royal Palm Hotel in Miami opening in early June.

Demand trends have been relatively healthy for the drive-to leisure properties, with occupancy trending in the 30% range for Miami and north of 45% in Key West for the month of June. Notably, in Key West, ADR impressively remained flat year-over-year. Finally, in Orlando, our Bonnet Creek complex, which was closed for the entire second quarter, opened its doors on July 1st. Group demand is virtually nonexistent across the Orlando market, but I am pleased to report that our property team successfully negotiated a large contract at the Waldorf Astoria Orlando for media and other ancillary demand tied to the restart of the NBA season, effectively buying out the resort through early October, accounting for $5 million of incremental revenue. This demonstrates the tremendous resilience, perseverance, and creativity of our local sales teams as they try to find ways to identify and capture demand.

As another example, the Hilton New Orleans Riverside, we looked outside of the box for alternative sources of revenue and successfully negotiated a block of roughly 690 rooms for Xavier University of Louisiana to serve as an auxiliary student housing for its fall and spring semesters, filling approximately 42% of a hotel which traditionally relies on a group mix of 65%-70%, while accounting for incremental $7 million in revenue. We also continue to look aggressively at each department to improve efficiency and reduce costs as we seek to right size the operating model for the future. More specifically, we are in the process of complexing operations across several key markets, looking to partner with neighboring hotels with similar operators to consolidate management positions where it makes sense. We hope to provide further updates on our progress in the coming months ahead.

While there are many factors outside of our control that are having a profound impact on our industry, I can assure you that the Park team is laser-focused on successfully navigating through this crisis, working hard to strategically position the company for an eventual recovery. We took the difficult but necessary steps to drastically cut costs across the portfolio while raising enough capital to more than adequately cover our liquidity needs in the interim. On the other side of this health crisis, we believe you will find an industry that should benefit from significantly less hotel supply, a more profitable hotel operating model as brands and owners work collectively to permanently take cost out of the system, and strong pent-up demand from both business and leisure travelers.

Finally, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all of our team members and operating partners who have truly stepped up throughout this time and have displayed all of our core principles as we all wade tirelessly through these uncharted waters. Park has a seasoned and experienced team of men and women, this is not our first crisis. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Sean, who will provide some more color on our balance sheet and liquidity.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thanks, Tom. Turning briefly to our second quarter results, we ended the quarter with a 96% RevPAR decline, with the majority of our hotels closed during the quarter. For those hotels that remained open, we witnessed slightly better results each month, with occupancy averaging 14% in April, 20% in May, and increasing to 30% in June. In July, after opening an additional 10 hotels, occupancy improved to 36%, further highlighting the gradual ramp-up in demand. Top performers in July include our DoubleTree Durango Hotel at 87% occupancy, Hilton Seattle Airport at 62%, Casa Marina in Key West averaged north of 51%, while our Hilton Santa Barbara Resort also exceeded 51% occupancy. Looking out over the balance of the year, we expect operating performance to remain challenging as continued concern over COVID-19 is creating an overhang for both leisure and business travel.

Group revenues are anticipated to be down 95% in the third quarter, and we are assuming a similar decline for the fourth quarter as events continue to be canceled. That said, more than 20% of this year's group cancellations have already rebooked into future years with another 30% in the pipeline. Overall, we expect performance will continue to be driven by our suburban and drive-to leisure hotels, which currently account for approximately 40% of our room count. Turning to the balance sheet, as Tom noted in his comments, one of our key priorities has been to fortify our balance sheet to allow us to effectively manage through this crisis, recognizing that its ultimate duration is still unclear.

Due to our actions, the balance sheet remains in excellent shape with over $1.6 billion of liquidity available as of the end of the second quarter, consisting of $1.3 billion of cash and over $300 million of availability on our $1 billion revolver. With 42 of our hotels now open, we are currently modeling a cash burn of approximately $50 million-$55 million per month, which extends the liquidity runway by another five to eight months, taking us well into 2023 based on current operating levels. In May, Park successfully issued a total of $650 million of five-year bonds, callable after two years with a 7.5% coupon. Originally targeting a size of $500 million, the bond offering was upsized by $50 million while in market, and then further increased with a subsequent tack- on offering of $100 million, which priced above par due to positive market demand.

A portion of the proceeds were used to repay $319 million on the revolver and $69 million of our $700 million term loan maturing in December of next year, with the rest of the proceeds remaining on our balance sheet. We were extremely pleased with the execution of our inaugural corporate bond offering, as it not only allowed us to bolster our liquidity during very uncertain times, but also demonstrated our ability to access alternative sources of capital, which will be a key differentiator for Park as we navigate the current operating environment and continue to address our near-term maturities. As a result of the offering and subsequent debt repayment, net debt as of the second quarter totaled $4.1 billion.

As we look out over the next 12 months, Park's financial goals include maintaining significant liquidity to operate under the most severe conditions, further minimizing our monthly cash burn through a combination of efficiently reopening hotels and reducing carrying costs, addressing Park's near-term debt maturities in the coming months, which include $681 million outstanding on our revolver and our $631 million term loan, both due December 2021, and finally, depending on the progress of the recovery and state of capital markets, beginning the process of de-leveraging the balance sheet. That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line for Q&A. To address each of your questions, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Operator, may we have the first question, please?

Operator

At this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ari Klein
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you, and good afternoon or morning.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Morning.

Ari Klein
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Can you talk about the seasonality and how you expect that to maybe impact occupancy post this summer, given the heavy leisure demand you've seen so far?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Can you repeat the question, Ari? It's difficult to hear you. You're breaking up a little bit.

Ari Klein
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Sorry about that. Can you just talk about seasonality and how you expect that to trend post this summer when perhaps leisure demand slows down a little bit?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. I think the reality of, if you think about our portfolio, obviously our product type and then obviously our distribution, clearly the second half of the year will continue to be a challenge for Park. The reality is, as I said in my prepared remarks, you're not going to really see, I think, a meaningful increase in demand for our portfolio and candidly for the industry until we have medical solutions in place, whether that's vaccines and/or therapeutics, and confidence is really restored. We're encouraged. As I said, I think there's a global race underway. I think there are five or six different solutions that are in phase III of the trials.

As we sort of think about third quarter, to answer your question directly, we're probably looking to be down again, probably north of 80% in RevPAR, and clearly picking up in the fourth quarter slightly better than that. The second half of 2020 will certainly continue to be a challenge year for us. If anything, given what's happening, you could make a case that leisure demand could, in fact, get extended into the third quarter. There's about 14,000 rooms or about 47% of our portfolio, where it's a strong drive to. We do expect as people continue to have cabin fever and want to get out, that we'll certainly benefit from that. No doubt, the second half of the year will continue to be challenged until those medical solutions are in place and confidence is restored.

Ari Klein
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. It sounds like you're doing more contract business here, which we've seen from others as well. How much more opportunity do you see for the remainder of the year there? Can you just talk about the rates you're seeing on those?

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, this is Sean. We are definitely seeing more contract in the mix. I think this time last year, specifically looking at June, the mix for revenue for contracts was about 5%. Around 15% for the students. Clearly more contract. That's been a base of business that we've relied upon for the hotels that remained open since the pandemic started, and certainly have great relationships with the airline crews and the like that we've maintained and managed to maintain and even picked up in certain markets. I think that's really been a focus for us going forward. We also need that layered in. We like it layered in, even during good times, for some of the sets of our hotels.

That will continue, and we'll certainly be aggressive in looking at. I think as you look at the rate for that, it generally held up okay, considering, but still down 15%-20% as you look year-over-year for June.

Ari Klein
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Dany Asad with Bank of America.

Dany Asad
Analyst, Bank of America

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Good morning.

Dany Asad
Analyst, Bank of America

Morning, Tom. My question was, Sean just kind of touched on it a little bit at the end there. Can you maybe help walk us through how rates held in across the portfolio? I'm assuming there's a dispersion between your drive to resorts and the rest of the portfolio. Any color you could provide there would be helpful.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. I think obviously looking at ADR across the portfolio is challenging because of the mix shift. I think, obviously, we have to talk about contract, and with that extra emphasis on contract. Contract typically is anywhere from 25, 30% below what we see in group, in overall leisure/business transient. Definitely a mix shift there contributing to it. If you look at some of the drive to resorts, Casa Marina in Key West, year-over-year for the month was up 3%. Reach was around the same, maybe slightly down, and Santa Barbara's held up okay, I think slightly down 10% or so. I think generally in those markets, we've seen certainly strong performance with rate, and exceptionally better than expected performance on the occupancy side as well. Saw that in June and even into July building well until the resurgence happened.

I think we were probably looking at the Key West assets being north of 70% occupied and really kind of fell down to 50%. That's had an impact. I think rate, again, it's more of a mix element. As you look at certain components, even within those components, I think there's a mix element there too, but you're probably seeing rate anywhere down from 20%-30%.

Dany Asad
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Just my follow-up. Some of your peers have given us just an indication of how much of the group business on the books that's being canceled is kind of getting rebooked into future periods. Can you maybe give us just some color on that? Anything that you have in terms of group business and maybe the pipeline, how that's been behaving? That's it for me. Thanks.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Sure. I think it's actually quite consistent with others have said. We've seen about 20, 21% of our room nights that were canceled in 2020 so far rebooked into later years. I'd say about half of that's been rebooked into 2021 and 2022. Thankfully not a lot in 2020. We don't certainly expect that to ultimately come to fruition. Pipeline, just 30% of that canceled, 2020 cancellations that are sitting in the pipeline right now. Ultimately, I think taking a wait and see approach. Certainly I think that's going to be a good, I think, tailwind for everybody when the vaccines kind of come through. I think you have people making decisions at that point to rebook into these future years.

Dany Asad
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Thanks a lot, Sean.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yep.

Operator

Next question comes from James Rhodes with Citi.

Smedes Rose
Analyst, Citi

Hi. It's Smedes. I wanted to ask you, Tom, you talked a little bit about, in your opening remarks, changing the operating model, which is something a lot of the owners have been focused on in this environment. How are the brands, I guess, in terms of making meaningful changes to the way the operating model can work? I guess specifically, one thing that's kind of come up is eliminating housekeeping during a guest stay, even post-pandemic. I'm wondering, does that make a pretty significant difference in terms of operating margin? Are there other kind of big moves potentially on the table that would change your ability to put up better margin even in a lower revenue environment?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

That's a great question, Smedes. I would tell you that this crisis, one of the benefits coming out of what's obviously a horrible situation for all of us is there's incredibly better collaboration, communication among the brands and owners to really right size the business. I kind of put them in really three sort of buckets, and you touched on one. Obviously, no housekeeping for stayovers. I'd probably modify that and say limited or no housekeeping. The reality is that it protects the guests and employees. I think that mindset is probably going to continue post-pandemic. Probably we'll end up with some sort of opt-in or opt-out, depending on the market and the scenario. There's no doubt from a customer preference standpoint, customers are speaking, and the evidence is there.

As a result of that, there clearly are going to be savings there, and we believe pretty significant. If you also combine that with sort of reimagining room service, going with probably a limited menu and probably a delivery only or pickup, sort of a drop and knock, if you will. Again, where you're having little contact with certainly the guests, which is again, the preference for many. I also think more contactless front desk and. Really continuing to see an expansion of Digital Key at Hilton, and the equivalent, obviously, Mobile Check-in at Marriott and Hyatt and others now. I think you're going to continue to see that. I think those three buckets, if you will, are a huge opportunity in the industry.

If you take our portfolio, and if you assume if we get 100 basis points, or if we're lucky, the 300 basis points, you're looking at probably $30 million-$90 million a year in operational savings when you look at a pre-COVID environment. I think there's a huge opportunity there. I also think there's the opportunity for complexing. We are in discussions with our operators about where there are common managers across ownership groups in certain markets. Can we combine a book, whether it's a general manager or other management staff? Are there other operating costs that we can combine to really take cost out of it? I know Marriott and both Hilton are passionately committed to this, and I know that they're also working to take cost out of the properties as well. We are all in on this concept.

We think it makes sense. It's going to benefit the industry. There will be complexities to every one of these initiatives, but really the passion and motivation is there, so we are encouraged as we move forward.

Smedes Rose
Analyst, Citi

Okay. In your opening remarks, too, you said less hotel supply going forward. Were you talking about the potential for new development, or is it your view that a significant piece of the existing in-place inventory won't reopen?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. I think that it's a fair statement, Smedes, just given the dire circumstances that we all find ourselves in, that there will be owners who are either extended, obviously, on the debt front, unable to meet debt service. I think delinquencies are already up by 21% in the industry. As you look across markets, you have to believe in New York as an example. Some are talking about perhaps 10% or 20% of the supply for a market that already has 135,000 rooms, plus or minus. That's significant. As you think about Chicago, perhaps even San Francisco, depending on how long, obviously, the pandemic lasts, you have to believe that there will be certainly a reduction in supply. There will be owners that I think probably not only throw back the keys, but others that look to convert to other uses.

We think that'll be a tailwind when we get through this. We also think as you think about that providing somewhat of an opportunity for more pricing power, which really the industry, as we all know, has really lacked that, certainly the latter part of this last cycle. We think that that's going to be a net positive coming out of it. Again, every market will be a little different, but I think there certainly are a number of markets that are fair to say that we'll see a reduction in supply. We're talking about the U.S., we're not talking about outside the U.S.

Smedes Rose
Analyst, Citi

Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thanks, Smedes .

Operator

Next question comes from Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Anthony Powell
Analyst, Barclays

Hi, good morning. A question on the regulatory environment in some of your largest markets. To what extent do you think some of the local governments are looking to try to get things open, maybe in the fall or winter? Or do you think there's a risk that some of these markets just stay closed for much longer, even into the first half of next year, as some of them have been very conservative in terms of opening?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

It's a great question. Again, I would say the most challenged is probably going to be Hawaii. If you think about Hawaii, the administration there, I think, in fairness, has done an excellent job. I think there are only about 2,600 cases, and they've only had 27 deaths. Unfortunately, they have seen a slight uptick this week. I think 200 cases on Monday, Tuesday, and 140 cases ± on Wednesday. I know the governor, in abundance of caution, continues to manage the state carefully. As you know, that opening there has been pushed back a few times. Currently, we're planning on September 1st. We haven't heard anything to the contrary. It would not surprise us if that one were to get pushed back.

I think as it relates to San Francisco, the mayor has stated kind of a phase III, I think, begins on August 13th. We would expect to sort of begin that. We're not planning. We've got six hotels there. We've opened two. There's one that we will open this month. The others we'll wait for really more growth and more acceleration in demand before we would open. We would certainly expect perhaps that to be in the September, October timeframe. Again, as I said in my prepared remarks, we are carefully managing, one, our desire to open hotels and make sure that we can do it safely and profitably, or at least lose less money than we currently are as we manage our cash burn rate.

The team has done a great job, as you know, bringing that cash burn rate down from what we thought, $85 million, down to $65 million. As Sean said in his remarks, the actual cash burn rate is really in the $50 million-$55 million, giving us really another 5-8 months of runway. Park's got well north of two and a half years of runway here, we think under the most extreme scenario.

Anthony Powell
Analyst, Barclays

Got it. Thanks. Maybe switching gears to just the asset sales and transactions, what are you seeing in the market right now, and would you consider bringing some assets to market in the back half of this year or early next?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

We are really focused, Anthony, on cities. Sean pointed out there are really four priorities for the Park team. Clearly, reopening hotels, as I just mentioned, in a profitable way. We're obviously minimizing our cash burn rate. Secondly, continuing to reduce that cash burn rate. Third, addressing our near-term maturities. Given the great success we had with our covenant relief and then again our bond offer, Park has a lot of optionality given our scale. The fourth would be continuing to evaluate non-core asset sales. I'll remind listeners that we sold 24 assets for $1.2 billion, obviously, over the last few years, including 14 assets internationally. We've never stopped in discussions with prospective buyers for our non-core asset sales.

You'll see us continuing to have those discussions, and when we can get the COVID discount narrowed some, you'll see us contract, and with an objective, obviously, of using those proceeds to reduce leverage. It is our preference, as we've done, to continue, and even post- Chesapeake, we had sold about $470 million in assets pre-COVID. We were really well on our way of continuing to sell non-core assets.

Anthony Powell
Analyst, Barclays

Yeah. Is the COVID discount still about 20%, or has that closed any recently?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, I think it's closed. I think probably 20-30, depending on the market and the asset, Anthony. I think down from probably 30-40. It continues to narrow. As we get closer, and there's more evidence that there will be therapies and vaccines, and we believe that, and we certainly believe that the global race underway is going to yield that that will provide the confidence for people to know we're going to get to the other side of this pandemic.

Anthony Powell
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Bill Crow with Raymond James.

Bill Crow
Analyst, Raymond James

Good morning. Thanks.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Good morning, Bill.

Bill Crow
Analyst, Raymond James

How are the guests reacting to the changes operationally and from a labor perspective as they go to, especially some of your high-end hotels?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, it's a great question, Bill. I think I chose my words carefully when I said earlier that I think you'll see sort of limited to no kind of housekeeping for stay-overs. Clearly, as you think about luxury, I think that limited will be limited, and it'll be really on a case by case. It would not surprise me if the Waldorf, as an example, that we largely continued housekeeping. I think that guest is going to demand for, and candidly prepared to pay for, that incremental service, whether that's embedded in the rate or whether there's a supplemental charge. I think these preferences that we're talking about, many of them will, certainly in the near term, I think be permanent if not longer. As we think about, obviously, advances in technology which already exist here in contactless front desk and using Digital Key.

Clearly on the housekeeping, people are not going to want people in their room. We're seeing that. Room service. Room service, again, as you get to a luxury product, you have to find what is the right model for that particular asset. I think generally speaking, this sort of delivery only and kind of a drop and knock is really going to continue to certainly gain momentum, and we're not seeing any resistance at all to that.

Bill Crow
Analyst, Raymond James

All right, perfect. Quickly, could you just talk about the economics of using a hotel for student housing?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Well, if you think about New Orleans as an example for a hotel that runs 65%-70% group, clearly where there's not a lot of demand, I credit our operating partners at Hilton and our asset management team for being so proactive and reaching out. In this case, the operating model is there will not be room service. There will not be housekeeping. There will not be a food and beverage component. It really is providing them with that room product, which is what the university wants and which is what the students want. We found that balance. I don't recall the actual rate for that business. Sean may provide that in a second. I think it really made sense, and the incremental benefit to us was about $7 million in incremental revenue with really not a big cost component.

The flow-through here is going to be really good for us. We are looking for similar opportunities in many other markets as we move forward, Bill.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, if I could add to that. Tom's right. I mean, the flow-through, and you add back the fact that you're not doing housekeeping and so the like, and you're not paying the acquisition costs of that customer. It's direct. If you gross that rate back up, I think you get to where you kind of see a contract room. Again, you think about this asset in New Orleans as an environment for the next nine months, heavily group city. You take out 40% of your rooms for this in a hotel that relies on 70% as group, I think it's certainly the right trade to make in the near term.

Bill Crow
Analyst, Raymond James

Great. Thanks for your time.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Our next question comes from Neil Malkin with Capital One Securities. Please go ahead.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Hey, Neil.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

Hey, guys.

Hey, guys. Just maybe a higher level question or way to think about it? When you talked about the vaccine or another therapy or something like that being in a pretty late stage trial, which we can all agree is fantastic. However, there's still going to be time it takes to get commercialized, distributed, get public buy-in or inoculation. Then it's also about corporate and individual comfort. Maybe if you could just talk about or share some initial thoughts on? Your view for what the largest corporate accounts you have, what their stance is or how you think that will actually play out in terms of seeing demand come back when we do have a vaccine. It's obviously going to take longer than a, "Oh, we have a vaccine," and then tomorrow all the groups come back.

Right? It's a process mentally as well as objectively. Any thoughts would be great.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, look, it's a great question. I think I'd make a couple comments here. I think the first is that, like you and I think all the listeners, I believe passionately in the American spirit, the American will. I also believe here in this particular matter, where we've got a global pandemic, and you've got this global race underway, and you've also got the federal government investing billions of dollars. As you know, they're already manufacturing with many of these prospective vaccines with the hope that some or all will hit, and that they'll have capacity there. What none of us can predict, and you hit the nail on the head, is really going to be the adoption rate.

If the medical professionals are coming out and they are communicating that these therapies and/or vaccines are safe, and they're advising that we're going to take it, you have to believe that the vast majority of Americans will, to get to the other side of this, so that we can resume our normal lives of going to work, going to restaurants, going to movies, traveling. That human interaction that we're all starved for, that is really not being replaced by Zoom and Webex and some of the other devices. My personal belief is that the adoption rate will be high. You're right, they'll take some time. I think as Congress addresses the liability issue, as you think about companies and schools and governments, they're really afraid.

Part of that limiting the liability, once we get to the other side of that, people are anxious to resume their lives. Is that first quarter? If we have them approved by November, I certainly don't think it's December and everybody's back to the old normal. I certainly can believe that by first quarter, assuming the adoption rate is going as planned and as recommended, you would start to see the beginning of companies bringing people back, travel resuming. I still believe that leisure will be ahead, and then followed obviously by business transient and group. I think the long pole in the tent will be group.

Until people really, again, feel safe and confident, companies are probably going to continue to be careful and cautious with that, and we'll have to continue to right-size and think creatively about our business as we're doing in New Orleans, obviously, taking 40% of the business and essentially using it as auxiliary for a university. We'll do what's necessary in the interim to continue to gain revenue and certainly reduce our cash burn rate.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

Yeah, I appreciate that. I understand it's a tough question, but I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Glad to share.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

What?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

I said glad to share.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

Sean, it seems like the covenants you have from the waivers or the, I'm sorry, the restrictions for the waivers are pretty strict. You talked about selling non-core assets. I'm just wondering, maybe can you just walk us through what are you not allowed to do, what can you do, maybe the salient points that you have to adhere to during your waiver period?

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Sure. Ultimately, we do have, I think, typical restrictions you're going to expect to see with no buybacks, no dividends, and the like there. We're certainly able to manage our operations, refinance. In terms of current debt, we can certainly do that for refinancing purposes. For the kind of additional debt outside of that or just sell assets, there is a repayment waterfall. That kind of drives it and ultimately looks to pay down credit facility debt. There's a mix between revolver and term loans, so it's a mix between still liquidity on the revolver side with some permanent capital reduction, permanent debt reduction as well. There are restrictions in terms of while they've granted us relief, the quid pro quo is to behave in a way to keep the cash in the system in a way. That's what we'll ultimately adhere to.

Part of it too, for us, was extending our credit facility out a year and getting 100% approval on that, as well as getting liquidity. We were able to accomplish all that, too. I think we have plenty of room to operate. We have a $200 million general investment bucket we can utilize. We can do asset sales under 1031 without any restriction there. We ultimately can, if we were to raise equity, we'd have up to $500 million to use for other purposes besides paying down debt at this point. I think we certainly feel like we had enough optionality and flexibility given the circumstances.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. One quick housekeeping, I guess along the same lines. You said you guys deferred principal and interest on some of your mortgages. A, how much is that saving you every month? B, is that in your new cash burn rate?

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

That is not what we ultimately do with our cash burn rate, both the theoretical as we assumed all assets are closed and kind of what we're seeing currently with the majority assets open. It's more of an accrual base. We don't want to get into the mode of people trying to guess at working capital. We're still counting that kind of interest carry in our cash burn. Ultimately, the things we've gotten concessions on thus far are a lot in the Chesapeake portfolio, it doesn't amount to a lot, but it's about $4 million-$5 million of deferral across a three to six-month period.

Neil Malkin
Analyst, Capital One Securities

All right. Thank you, guys.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yep.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thanks.

Operator

Next question comes from Gregory Miller with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Gregory Miller
Analyst, Truist Securities

Good morning, Tom and Sean. Hey. My first question, to my understanding, there is pending U.S. legislation that may shield businesses from liability if people get sick from COVID-19. I believe this letter was signed or is supported by AHLA, amongst other groups. I'm curious, how do you see corporate travel demand progressing if this bill is passed?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Well, the majority leader, Greg, was on this morning. I caught part of it on CNBC, he, I think, made it abundantly clear that the pending legislation, this next phase, will not happen without having some sort of liability limitation across businesses, schools, governments, et cetera. I think it's an important cornerstone. I think what's more important is to get this overall bill passed, get the additional support that's needed for small business, the unemployment insurance, then again, continue to support all of the positive work that's happening on the medical front. I think all of that combined will, I think, provide the confidence to really accelerate the pace. There's no doubt that companies at this point are being careful and cautious. No different than what we're all doing. We've got a skeleton crew here at our office, essentially everybody's working remotely.

People are making it work. I think we're all anxious to get to the other side as quickly as we can. I think it takes all of those components, which I think will really accelerate with clearly the vaccine and/or therapies being of paramount. That's going to provide really the confidence that's going to give all of us the ability to come out of the bunker and begin to resume our lives again.

Gregory Miller
Analyst, Truist Securities

Great. Thanks very much. One other question that I have. I appreciate all the great disclosure and the supplemental deck with the reopening dates that you provided. Given the labor cost and operational challenges with the cleaning ordinance that was passed in San Francisco, and I read your editorial in the San Francisco Examiner, I'm curious how the cleaning cost ordinance combined with operational costs in your modeling today, how that factors into your plan to reopen dates within the market.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. It's a great question. We at Park were actively involved in, I think, pointing out to the City of San Francisco, along with the American Hotel & Lodging Association and other owners and other peers, that this was really bad legislation. We've got a Safe Stay by the association. We obviously have a Hilton CleanStay by Hilton, Commitment to Clean by Marriott, and the equivalent across all the brands. The great men and women on the operating side know how to clean a hotel and secure its safety. We really felt candidly that this bill was nothing more than a jobs bill. It's not a safety bill. I'm confident, Greg, at the end of the day, when we get the vaccine, when we get the protocols in place where people feel safer, the reality is that we're in a global pandemic.

These local officials, including the unions, are desperate. They're panicked. They're trying to just protect jobs. I don't like the tactics, but we understand the issue, and I think what's most important is that we prepare to reopen. We have the appropriate protocols in place to keep our employees and our guests safe, but that at the end of the day, we don't have mutually assured destruction, and that we're thinking positively about the interim and long term about our great business. I'm confident that clear heads will prevail, and we'll get to a balance that really matters and that continues to uplift this business and at the same time, taking cost out of it. Guests are speaking, and guests are clear about what they want. They want more flexibility on the housekeeping, whether it's opt in or opt out.

There's no doubt that they want to bypass the front desk. You're not going to be able to stop these advances in technology. I think the industry's got to work together with labor in certain markets and across the industry to find the right balance. We don't take these things personally. We are confident that we'll find the right balance. We will reopen our hotels in San Francisco, among other cities. These are the great cities of the world that people want to visit and travel to. Our employees continue providing the great service that they've always provided.

Gregory Miller
Analyst, Truist Securities

Thanks for the great insights, and I look forward to being on the road hopefully soon at your hotels as well.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah.

Operator

Next question comes from Stephen Grambling with Goldman Sachs.

Stephen Grambling
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Morning. Thanks for taking the question.

Hey, how are you? As we think about financial leverage longer term, just hearing a number of your peers have been reprioritizing reinvestment into the base business with base hotels, how are you thinking about a re-ramp in CapEx as things normalize within that capital allocation priority? Is there any kind of catch-up that may need to happen as properties reopen?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. We've always taken the position on CapEx of about 6%, certainly given our portfolio and the size and scale. Obviously, as you can expect, given where we are in the pandemic, we made the appropriate decision to really reduce CapEx by 75%. As we begin to ramp up, we clearly will be a little bit of catch up. We'll assume that'll probably ramp up, whether that's an incremental 100 or 200 basis points, whether we take that to 7% or 8% temporarily. We'll do what's necessary. We continue to prioritize safety, emergency capital. We continue to monitor, and carefully, we've got a very capable design and construction team. We continue to monitor our assets and to make sure that things are in good order. Over the intermediate and long term, we believe there are a number of embedded ROI opportunities within our portfolio.

Obviously, Bonnet Creek, as you know, we've started the expansion there, the meeting space. We've obviously deferred that for now and the rebranding of that asset. Clearly, we'll continue to look at our asset in San Jose and converting that from a DoubleTree to a Hilton. We obviously have the DoubleTree in Crystal City, which is at the front door of the Amazon facility there at the second headquarters. We've got a lot of optionality and a lot of great upside in this portfolio that we look forward to really getting at as we move forward in the future.

Stephen Grambling
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. As a follow-up to some of your comments earlier, I guess, given the structural changes that you do anticipate in the business model, in some cases, how might these changes influence what might be deemed core versus non-core assets?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. That's a great question. I would say one of the things that I think is important is to not overreact. I think first and foremost on the Park side, we are confident in our strategy. Again, upper upscale and luxury hotels in top 25 markets and premium resort destinations. We have conviction over that. You think about our assets in Hawaii, the Hilton Hawaiian Village, 22 acres, 2,900 rooms, world-class, a fortress, five towers. You could never replicate that in today's world. If you think about the assets that we have in the CBD in San Francisco or the New York Hilton or the Hilton Chicago, these are well-located, bullseye real estate. Having said that, we also believe that you want to follow the demand, and that those markets having huge barriers to entry, demand will come back.

Clearly, there will be other markets that as we think about the shift in growth, you have to believe that Austin, Nashville, other markets like that will continue to grow and expand. Clearly, we'll look at expanding our footprint into those. We probably don't want any one market to be more than 10%-12% in a perfect world. Clearly, Hawaii accounts for more of that today. Part of the benefit of the Chesapeake is that we were able to bolt on 16 assets that really gave us brand operator and geographic diversification as well. You'll clearly look for us to do more of that in the future as we get to the other side of this pandemic. There's no abandonment. We're not retreating now and looking to go purely all suburban because the suburban seems to make the most sense today.

The analogy that I would use is think about several years ago when everybody thought independent hotels in New York were the right thing to do, and everybody rushed to buy independent hotels. I don't think that strategy worked out so well for many people. You won't see panic out of the Park team here. We believe with conviction our current strategy. We'll pivot, we'll adjust, we'll recycle non-core assets, and then we'll continue to look at those other pockets and areas where there are growth opportunities.

Stephen Grambling
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Makes sense. Thanks so much.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yep.

Operator

Next question comes from Brandt Montour with JP Morgan.

Brandt Montour
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Just curious if you mind sharing July sort of RevPAR metrics, just given all the moving pieces you want to bridge the 2Q with the sort of 3Q guidance post you gave.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

For July RevPAR was been down. July RevPAR is, from a flash standpoint here.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

88%.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, down 88%.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. It's down 88%, but if you look sequentially, June occupancy was up about 9.4%. We grew July occupancy to 14.7%, but July was down 88%.

Brandt Montour
Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Okay, thanks. Then just looking out to the second half, and I don't want to split hairs, but I'm just curious, what is driving the confidence that 4Q would be better than the 3Q in terms of RevPAR?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Well, one, we would think, obviously, by the end of September, we said we expect to have 80% of our hotels open. Clearly getting closer to north of 80%, whether that's 90% or 100% by fourth quarter, having more hotels open certainly gives us the opportunity, whether it's through contract business, whether it's through ancillary revenue, whether again, we're beginning to see a slight more confidence again on the medical side, where we would begin to pick up. No doubt, second half is going to be challenged. I don't want to imply, I think as you know, we're down 96% here in the second quarter. We would probably expect to be down north of 80% in RevPAR in the third quarter, clearly in the fourth quarter, that should certainly moderate, whether that's down 60%-70%, somewhere in that range.

Again, that would only be a really hard guess at this point.

Brandt Montour
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, great. Aside from that, in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter, there's no seasonal difference. Medical solutions aside, if that doesn't happen for us, seasonality wouldn't dictate necessarily any lift fourth quarter over third quarter.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

No. Look, you could make the case that perhaps leisure gets extended a little bit. Look, it's a difficult environment. You see more and more evidence of people resisting the cabin fever and beginning to get out, whether that's drive to, whether that's spending time, even those sales meetings, consultants. You are seeing some evidence, it's on the margin, where people are beginning to travel certainly a little more. At the end of the day, as I said in our prepared remarks, I think it really comes down to the medical solutions will be the game changer.

Brandt Montour
Analyst, JPMorgan

Fair enough. Good luck. Thanks.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Thanks.

Operator

Next question comes from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank.

Chris Woronka
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, good morning, guys.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Morning, Chris.

Chris Woronka
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey. Morning, Tom. Question for you, Tom. Do you worry at all about rate integrity, or how do you look at rate integrity going forward? The industry looks a lot different than it did 11, 12 years ago. We've had M&A, we've had a lot more push towards direct bookings. If there's some piece of group or corporate that's missing for a couple of years, how do you look at things like rate negotiations? Also understanding that there could be positive offsets on the supply side, right? How do you see the rate situation shaking out for the next couple of years? I know that's a crystal ball type question.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, it's a great question, Chris. One that if you think about the last cycle, I think the frustration that all of us would have, right, is we never really saw the pricing power for all the points that you made, and I think supply contributed to it. I think the OTAs clearly played a part of that, and the other part is that the business is so fragmented. I think the opportunity here, as we think about rightsizing, I think there's the opportunity again with supply, you have to believe there's going to be a contraction. We can argue how much, but clearly this distress is going to create a distraction for a reduction in supply for some period of time.

I also think that when we come out of it, if we're able to right size the operating model, that gives us the opportunity as well to think about customer acquisition costs and can we continue to think about ways to provide a different level of value and service, and can we go to what the airlines have gone, more a la carte on some items. The airlines retrained us in their process. I don't know why hotels can't also do the same. These are the types of things that I know we're talking to the brands about and our operating partners, and I know that other owners are doing it as well.

We should use this crisis, as painful as it is, to get on the other side with a much better product, a much leaner operating model, and hopefully a more viable business for all of us as we move forward. There's better communication and collaboration today on these topics than I've seen in my 30 years in this industry.

Chris Woronka
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. Very helpful, Tom. Just to follow up on the capital allocation decisions, is there a key indicator you look for if equity is going to be a part of the equation? Is it you can't get asset sales done, which I think would be unlikely, or is it more opportunistic? Is there a certain number? We remember that there was a ton of equity issued coming out of that last downturn to shore up balance sheets. That ended up being a very good liquidity event for the industry.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. It's a fair question, Chris. I would say the reality is, if you think back in a period of time, which I remember I also happened to be on a few other public company boards, and I think a number of companies that made that capitulation trade did so because they had to, whether it was shoring up their balance sheet or alternatively, they perhaps had a use of proceeds. I think as it relates to Park and where we are, we will be laser focused on continuing to manage our liquidity as based on the great moves that the team has made, a lot of credit to Sean and to the team. Clearly on our very successful bond offer, we have obviously enough liquidity for the next two and a half years.

There's no need for us to do any kind of equity offering at this point. Hopefully we get the vaccine, we get more clarity, we see an acceleration in demand, we would think about equity offerings at a much later date as a potential growth vehicle, not because of we think there's a need for any kind of equity offering in the near term. Equity would be the last thing that we would want to do at this point, given where we are and candidly where we trade. We trade at a significant discount to NAV, a significant discount to replacement costs. It makes no sense at all for us to do any kind of equity offering, certainly something that would be so dilutive to our current shareholders. We would be adamantly opposed to that.

Chris Woronka
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Very helpful. Thanks, Tom.

Operator

Next question comes from Robin Farley with UBS.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thanks. My question I've actually had since this-

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Hi, Robin .

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

How are you? My question since the start of the call, but it's going to sound like a follow-up to one of the previous questions because you touched on it a little bit, but I wonder if you could give just a little more color on what your usual mix of business and leisure transient is in Q4 versus Q3, just how that transitions between quarters in a typical year. Thanks.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

It's always been about 5% or so on a revenue mix basis. As we've looked at Q3 versus Q4 Apologies, just give me one second here. If you look Q3, Q4, I think it's generally held about the same. I'm looking at it as right now, it's pretty much from a revenue standpoint last year pretty much spot on the same from a revenue standpoint. From a group, it was kind of high. It was almost 28.5% or so, transient's about 64%, contract about 5%.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

I meant the, sorry, the split between leisure transient and business transient as you go from Q3 into Q4.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Oh, I don't have that in front of me.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Just thinking about obviously that as leisure, it seems where the demand is focused in Q3 and just how that would typically look at going into Q4, with the degree to which it become maybe more dependent on the business transient side of things.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah. I think historically, Robin, it's probably on the margin a few percentage points, but Sean and team will look at it. We'll get back to you to make sure that we adequately answered your question. I don't think it's going to be that significant.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you very much. That's it. All my other questions have been asked. Thanks.

Operator

Next question comes from Lukas Hartwich with Green Street. Please go ahead.

Lukas Hartwich
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Thank you. Good morning.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Morning, Lukas.

Lukas Hartwich
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Morning. Hey, Tom, I'm curious, do you think this experience permanently increases the risk premium for big box hotels?

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Lukas, it's probably easy to make that statement today, given what we've all been through. I would say if you think about generations, the real benefit I think of having, obviously, these big group hotels anchored the way you do is the multiple sources of demand, right? You've got leisure, business transient, you've got embedded group, in-house group. You have the ability to really take advantage of citywides, you have all of those wonderful events that occur. Certainly religious, family, et cetera, weddings. I would say the diversity of sources of revenue. I would also say the fact that the huge barriers to entry to being able to replicate. Think of how few big box hotels are getting constructed. It'd be near impossible to really replicate the portfolio that we have across many of the major cities in the U.S.

Clearly we take it on the chin right now, given, one, our product type and given our distribution. I would also say that when we get to the other side of this, whether that's three months, six months, or nine months, Park is going to be incredibly well-positioned with an improved business operating model, I think tremendous pent-up demand, and I think the opportunity for us to have outsized years of growth. It's not happening right now given the reality of what we're faced with, but we are encouraged and confident that we will get to the other side.

Lukas Hartwich
Senior Analyst, Green Street

That's really helpful, color. Thank you. My other question's for Sean. I'm just curious about the prospects for extending the revolver and the term loan that are due late next year.

Sean Dell'Orto
CFO, Park Hotels & Resorts

Yeah, very confident. We feel coming off of the bond amendment that we did in May, we can look to reengage and work through that with our banks. Already having conversations with them, with our leads and, again, Tom mentioned the optionality we have, and we're looking certainly to utilize that as we explore our options with that and certainly expect to have further reports on that after the third quarter.

Lukas Hartwich
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

I would like to turn the floor over to Tom Baltimore for closing comments.

Tom Baltimore
CEO and Chairman, Park Hotels & Resorts

Appreciate all of you taking time today. Look forward to having our third quarter call in late October. Stay safe, be well, and look forward to talking with you all soon, and can't wait till the days that we can be together and in-person meeting.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation.