Earnings Call: Q1 2021

May 4, 2021

And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Viad Corp First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I I would now hand the conference over to your speaker today, Carrie Long with Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead. Sir, our President and CEO and President of GES David Berry, our President of Pursuit and Ella Ingersoll, our Chief Financial Officer. Certain statements made during this call, which are not historical facts, may constitute forward looking statements. Information concerning business and other risk factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward looking statements Can be found in our annual, quarterly and other current reports filed with the SEC. During the call, we will be referring to certain non measures, including loss or income before other items and adjusted segment EBITDA. Important disclosures regarding these measures, Including reconciliations to net loss or income attributable to Viad can be found in Table 2 of our earnings press release, which is available on our website at diage.com. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Steve. Thanks, Carrie, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on today's call. On this afternoon's call, we'll discuss our business performance during the 2021 first quarter, provide some insights into the recovery of our industries and review our liquidity position. David will provide business updates for Pursuit shortly After that, I will share some business updates for GES. Ellen will cover our liquidity and financial results towards the end of the call. Before I turn the call over to David, I'd like to thank our employees for helping our businesses successfully navigate the ongoing challenges and uncertainty of the COVID-nineteen I'm confident that the strength, drive, creativity and flexibility of our team will continue to fuel our success as our industries recover and we capitalize on new opportunities for growth. I'd like to now turn the call over to David to discuss what's happening across the David? Thank you, Steve. Although Q1 is a seasonally slow quarter for Pursuit and despite the many challenges of During a global pandemic, we're pleased to finish ahead of our expectations for the quarter. Pursuit operations began their seasonal return towards the end of the Q1. Kenai Fjords Tours and Seward, Alaska resumed seasonal operation on March 13, and we had a strong march at the Talkeetna Alaskan Lodge surpassing our for Group Lodging Business. In our Banff Jasper collection, we began the quarter subject to ministerial health orders, Limiting capacities in indoor food facility. And as these restrictions lifted, spending levels by our guests immediately rebounded to pre pandemic levels, And we saw dramatic increases in per cap food and beverage spend at our top ranked restaurants Sky Bistro and Farm and Fire. Q1 lodging performance in Jasper Was nothing short of spectacular as we performed in line with 2019 with the strong results driven by high occupancy in our 7 hotel properties and strong ADR And RevPAR. Fiber Canada and Vancouver remained in hibernation through Q1 due to government mandated closures. And from a business standpoint, teams all across Pursuit were constantly adjusting to temporary closure requirements, distancing measures, capacity restrictions and pandemic related operational changes. Our teams have been nothing short of amazing in rising to this business challenge, and I've been very impressed With their resilience, their passion and their focus. And I know we have many team members listening to the earnings call today, so a big Shout out and thank you to all of you. Ellen will go into greater detail on our financial results, but briefly, revenue for the quarter was 9,800,000 With an adjusted EBITDA loss of $9,100,000 which was $3,100,000 ahead of the same period in the prior year. This result driven by maximizing all available revenue opportunities and maintaining a strong cost management focus. We track many indicators in the successful operation of Pursuit and we're encouraged by what we're seeing. As restrictions have eased in different locations, Our revenue per guest spending has rebounded significantly. As an example, effective ticket price at the Banff gondola has increased in each sequential month of 2021 And food and beverage yields in February March exceeded our expectations across our hotels at Banff, Jasper and Alaska. Our guests are excited to be out enjoying themselves. RevPAR comparisons across the North American lodging industry are also something we track on a continuous basis. And based on the reporting we've seen industry wide, The economy segment of the hotel industry performed at roughly 83% of 2019 RevPAR levels. In contrast, our lodging properties in Jasper outperformed the North American market with strong RevPAR performance in Q1 at 98% of 2019. Confidence in the future is another important measure we pay attention to. We track the consumer confidence index quite closely as It's a great indicator of guest sentiment and confidence in the near term future. Consumer Confidence Index improved dramatically in March of 'twenty one climbing from 90 So 109, this is the single biggest boost in consumer confidence since the pandemic began. And we believe this increase in confidence has been driven by The availability and power of vaccines, the speed of the actual vaccination rollout in the U. S. And a belief among consumers that the worst is behind us. In our business, this increased confidence level has manifested itself in the form of happy guests making travel plans for the 'twenty one season. We began the quarter At a normal pace of bookings and by the end of February, this booking pace began to accelerate dramatically. More vaccines combined with rising consumer confidence Had a positive impact on our booking pace for Alaska and Montana. In a typical March, we take between 304.50 bookings per week for Alaska. Bookings for the 'twenty one season in Alaska are pacing between 71300 per week and this strong booking pace has continued all the way through April. In Montana, we're recording reservations at a record pace for the 'twenty one season. And in both Alaska and Montana, we're pacing ahead of the same period in 2019, and we continue to see strong compression in demand within these two markets. I'll also note we're pleased to see more than just volume increases with strong rate improvement from 2019 across all our As consumer confidence grows and restrictions ease, we're in turn confident the Pursuit business will return to historic levels of performance We're quickly resuming our growth journey. This may take some patience to see the full effect, but at this point for Pursuit, the recovery is clearly underway. Our Refresh, Build, Buy strategy remains our focus as we look for growth in both new and existing geographies, And I'll shortly discuss a few of the growth opportunities we're executing on in 'twenty one. In Iceland, we were able to maintain operations throughout Q1 of FlyOver Iceland in accordance with capacity restrictions and international borders remaining closed for most of the quarter. FlyOver Iceland continues to rank very highly on the TripAdvisor list of Icelandic attractions at number 2 and maintained its position as the number one choice of Icelanders Redeem their government stimulus gift cards. We're impressed with the pace of Iceland's border reopening protocols and anticipate the new regulations in place allowing those who are vaccinated to enter Iceland without a quarantine will drive summer traffic from the UK and the U. S, ensuring a successful and strong summer tourism season for Iceland in 'twenty one. So let's talk about Sky Lagoon. In just 2 very short years, we succeeded in taking an incredible idea and turning it into a year round attraction. A terrific example of buy and build from our Fresh build buy strategy. Sky Lagoon opened its doors to the public April 30 to great fanfare and critical acclaim. We've had very strong web visitation to skylagoon.com website and we're on track for a very positive start with this new high margin attraction. We anticipate that Sky Lagoon will have a positive impact on our visitation levels in all seasons as this is a weatherproof and must see attraction That will have strong perennial demand. Switching back to Western Canada, we remain positive on our prospects as infection rates subside, Vaccines become more widely distributed and eventually borders reopen between Canada and the U. S. This situation requires patients to be sure. Across Canada, conditions vary greatly by region and the consensus is that vaccines will be widely available for those that want them by the 3rd week of June. We expect strong regional and national demand from Canadians as they're required to stay closer to home. In Canada's backyard, we have some of the most iconic and unforgettable destinations for them to visit. We've continued to expand in Q1 by driving our strategy with the acquisition of the Golden Sky Bridge, our newest attraction, And we're really pleased to have this unique family friendly experience within Pursuit. It's located 90 minutes west of Banff and surrounded by 5 national and provincial parks and opens to the public in early June. In its 1st season, the Golden Sky Bridge will operate seasonally, But by its 2nd year of operation, it will be open year round. It is truly a beautiful location and will quickly become a must see bucket list attraction. You can see all the latest imagery if you visit goldenskybridge.com. Back in 2019, when we acquired the controlling interest in Mountain Park Lodges, Transaction included the very last hotel development site in all of Jasper. We're pleased to announce today that we've broken ground on the construction of a new 88 room hotel in Jasper that will sit between 2 of our existing properties, the Marmot Lodge and the Saw Ridge Resort and Conference Center. This project is a terrific example of build within the Fresh build buy framework as the new hotel will operate year round and expand our leading share of the Jasper bed base. The new hotel property will be open for the 2022 peak summer season and will allow us to accommodate guests in a state of the art quality with a bundled hotel and attraction product, which will help drive effective ticket price, margin, RevPAR and ADR growth. This new hotel project also allows us to bring 54 employee housing beds online through the reconfiguration of Existing lodging product, helping our colleagues in Jasper live in affordable and safe housing. Strong progress continues to be made on the completion of FlyOver Las Vegas, And we're on track for our opening in September of 2021. Vegas returns to 100% capacity in June, and we're also pleased to report We've completed the filming of the main feature, FlyOver the Real Wild West, and are now in the post production phase. As an exciting build project, we're able to bring this strong revenue stream to life with very healthy attraction margins and will operate on a year round basis, Helping balance Pursuit's earnings counter seasonally. Las Vegas is a strong and viable destination 12 months a year, and we cannot wait to be open. Cross Pursuit team members are ramping up for the 'twenty one season, while maintaining our safety promise and our overall commitment to safe hospitality for both guests and staff. We're very encouraged by strong early booking trends and the significant levels of pent up demand. We still have some local conditions that will require patience and a steady hand. But overall, we remain confident that the power of our iconic places combined with strong perennial demand will propel our recovery forward. Steve, back to you. Thanks, David. Now switching over to GES. Since mid March of 2020, the live event industry has been acutely impacted During the Q1, we worked with our corporate clients to produce their virtual and hybrid events like Northwestern Mutual. As restrictions kept Northwestern Mutual from holding their annual in person meeting, they turned to GES to reimagine their event in the virtual world. Leveraging our creative, strategic and content capabilities as well as our in house studio production, we delivered on our clients' mission, an exciting and energetic Connecting employees around the world. We also produced some smaller in person exhibitions in Florida, Texas and other markets in the U. S. And the United Arab Emirates that have already lifted restrictions on larger in person events. And recently, Las Vegas, the world's largest event market, Announce that the city would start hosting large scale exhibitions at 100% capacity starting in June. This is a very from our clients about producing their in person events in the second half of twenty twenty one and have already started planning their 2022 events. While virtual solutions have been a necessary substitute during the pandemic, I'm sure many of you would agree virtual events have not been able to fill the top of the sales funnel like in person events have in the past and do not present the networking opportunities that in person meetings offer. Surveys of exhibiting companies have overwhelmingly shown that virtual events are nowhere near as effective or as valuable as face to face in generating sales, driving brand awareness and loyalty and engaging with attendees. While virtual technology has been a part of the evolution of live We believe that technology complements an in person experience, but does not replace it. So I clearly remain bullish on the future for face to face events and I'm equally as excited about the transformation that's taking place within GES over the last year. We use this period of very low business activity to drive significant changes at an accelerated pace. As I've discussed on prior calls, we've moved to an outsourced model for certain non core services and we've shifted more activities to a variable or We've also permanently reduced our annual fixed cost base by about $10,000,000 by exiting and downsizing facilities. In total, we exited 21 leased facilities across our warehouse and office network during 2020. During the Q1, we were able to shrink our Las Vegas house footprint by about 100,000 square feet as a direct result of outsourcing our carpet depot, streamlining our service offering and reducing our office We also completed a sale leaseback transaction of our Orlando area production facility, which freed up about $14,000,000 in capital. I'm incredibly proud of the GES team for embracing and driving these important changes, while also taking care of our valued clients And keeping a sharp focus on new business development. The pandemic has obviously caused a lot of financial hardship for live event companies and we've seen weaker competitors exit and others struggle to keep going. Naturally, businesses and associations Want to partner with suppliers that have staying power and this has become another differentiator for GES during the pandemic. We've onboarded more than 30 new corporate clients over the past year and continue to see very strong RFP opportunities. We also have more large events booked in the back half of this year than we would in a normal year. This is due in large part compression of the event calendar due to ongoing COVID restrictions in the first half of the year, but it also demonstrates The desire of our clients to resume in person meetings. I want to caution that the exhibition schedule for 2021 is still evolving as organizers to gauge where and when it will be possible to safely hold face to face events. But as the U. S. And the U. K, our 2 largest markets, Continue to make strong progress in their vaccination efforts and as more locations loosen their restrictions, we are becoming increasingly optimistic That the show schedules for the back half of the year will hold and perhaps improve. And while it's looking more likely that we will see a greater number of events during the 3rd and Quarter than a typical year, they may be smaller in size than pre pandemic levels. As in person event activity picks up, The changes we've made to GES' cost structure and operating model have prepared us to serve our clients with a more flexible cost structure and a lower breakeven point due to the permanent changes that we've implemented. I'm excited about the future for GES as a stronger and more profitable business that will once again generate strong cash conversion for our shareholders. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Ellen to discuss restrictions during the Q1, we maintained a sharp focus on controlling costs and maximizing revenue wherever possible, And we finished the quarter with a solid liquidity position. At GES, we realized revenue of $19,100,000 as We supported our clients primarily with virtual and hybrid events, while face to face events remained largely shut down. This was down approximately 93% from the 20 21st quarter. GES adjusted segment EBITDA was negative $2,000,000 and included a $9,100,000 gain from the sale of our final GES owned warehouse as we continue to free up capital and shift to a more flexible cost structure across GES. As Steve mentioned, we also downsized our warehouse Footprint in Las Vegas. Primarily in connection with that downsizing, we recorded a restructuring charge of $2,800,000 at GES during the quarter. At Pursuit, we experienced a smaller year over year revenue decline of approximately 28% as we drew visitors from our local and regional markets, while international travel remained restricted during this seasonally slow quarter. Pursuit's 1st quarter revenue was 9,800,000 And adjusted segment EBITDA was negative $9,100,000 As David mentioned earlier, Pursuit's adjusted segment improved by $3,100,000 year over year despite lower revenue. This was largely the result of vigilant cost control and approximately $2,000,000 in wage subsidies offered by the Canadian government. Our net loss attributable to Viad was $43,200,000 for the quarter And our net loss before other items was $39,000,000 which excludes restructuring charges, attraction, start up costs, acquisition, integration and transaction related costs and other non recurring expenses as applicable. During the quarter, our total available liquidity decreased by approximately 40 dollars, which included funding for the development of Pursuit's FlyOver Las Vegas attraction and Pursuit's acquisition of the new Golden Sky Bridge attraction. We had previously guided for a decrease of $45,000,000 to $50,000,000 We continue to carefully manage working capital across the business. And during the Q1, we Experience stronger than expected inflows from advanced customer deposits at Pursuit as bookings for the summer have accelerated. We limited our operating cash outflow to approximately $33,000,000 for the quarter and our capital expenditures totaled 9 $4,000,000 and we're mainly at Pursuit for the Flyer Las Vegas attraction. Additionally, we raised net proceeds $14,100,000 from the sale of a GES warehouse and acquired the new Golden Sky Bridge attraction for Pursuit For $7,200,000 net of cash acquired, we ended the Q1 with total available liquidity of approximately $220,000,000 Including unrestricted cash of approximately $35,000,000 capacity on our revolving credit facility of Approximately $140,000,000 and an additional $45,000,000 available to us through a delayed draw commitment from Crestview Partners. At March 31, 2021, our debt totaled approximately $301,000,000 drawn on our revolving credit facility, financing leases of approximately $63,000,000 and approximately $6,000,000 in debt at our FlyOver Iceland Our revolver debt matures in October 2023 and the longer term amendment that we secured in early August provides us with financial covenant relief until the Q3 of 2022. And as a reminder, during this covenant waiver period, we are required to maintain minimum liquidity Although we are not issuing financial guidance at this time, I'd like to briefly comment on our liquidity and financial outlook. We expect the 2021 Q2 will see revenue improvements at both Pursuit and GES relative to the Q1. However, we still expect to be well below pre pandemic levels due to continued restrictions. Pursuit's 2nd quarter revenue will be affected by the Canadian border closure, which was recently extended through May 21st. And the live event industry is still in the early stages of reopening for face to face events. At Pursuit, our seasonal properties are to open up for the peak summer tourism season and we'll have 2 new attractions online this quarter: Sky Lagoon, which opened last week And the Golden Sky Bridge, which we are preparing to open in early June. As David mentioned, we are seeing strong advanced bookings in pursuit geographies outside of And within Canada, while the border remains closed, we will continue to keep our focus on the local and regional markets to drive visitation and occupancy while carefully managing our costs. Based on our level of bookings at Pursuit and GES, we currently expect Our operating cash outflow will flow to somewhere in the range of $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 for the 2nd quarter, down from a $33,000,000 outflow last quarter. Additionally, we expect to spend approximately $20,000,000 in capital expenditures, including growth CapEx for FlyOver Las Vegas, the Golden Sky Bridge and our new hotel in Jasper, which brings our total liquidity of at least $175,000,000 at June 30. Moving into the Q3, we expect Pursuit will once again be cash flow positive and likely with a larger inflow than last year's Q3 with 3 new world class attractions online. Additionally, our current level of contracted events at GES, which includes the previously rescheduled Mine Expo, suggest that we will also see positive cash flow from GES return during the Q3. Of course, this largely depends on continued improvement in the pandemic Visibility remains challenging in this environment, and we are ready to respond to shifting restrictions and pent up demand as we move through this year. We are fortunate to have a solid liquidity position with the ability to selectively invest in compelling growth opportunities at Pursuit. And we continue to evaluate other growth opportunities that align with Pursuit's refresh build buy strategy that we can pursue and it makes sense to from a liquidity perspective. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Steve for some concluding remarks. Thanks, Ellen. After a full year of navigating the challenges of COVID-nineteen, we've become a stronger, nimbler and more resilient team. We worked diligently making difficult decisions to make sure Viad not only endured the pandemic, but is positioned to emerge stronger. I'm very proud of our team and grateful for their efforts during this time period. We have improved our business in ways that will have a lasting impact on shareholder value. At GES, we've reduced and variableized our cost structure and freed up capital. And at Pursuit, we've continued to Creates inspiring and unforgettable experiences that cannot be replicated. And GES' live face to face events provide a powerful and cost effective way to drive business growth from transacting business to building brand loyalty. As the number of vaccination continues to increase and COVID related restrictions lessen, we are seeing increased demand and optimism for both leisure travel and in person We're eager to get back to building on the exciting growth success that we had prior to COVID-nineteen and Our long term strategies for our businesses post pandemic will lead to strong shareholder value creation. We remain committed to delivering extraordinary experiences to our guests and our clients and to creating long term value for our Thanks again to our hardworking and dedicated employees who make all of this possible and thank you to our shareholders for your continued support in Viad. And Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Your first question comes from Tyler Batory from Janney. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good afternoon. A few questions on my end and I think I want to start on the Pursuit And just in terms of the border closed between the U. S. And Canada, and I understand that nobody has a crystal ball, but just looking at the commentary from the government And the vaccine situation up there a little bit different than the United States. If the border were to remain closed for the entire summer, Can you just talk about how that might change your strategy for the business, in particular the Vance Jasper assets and What you might be able to do to still operate effectively without some of the tourism coming from the U. S? Yes, Tyler, it's a good question. So a couple of things. One is, remember, we did operate all through the summer last year During 2020, with a strong lockdown across Canada. So we were EBITDA positive across all geographies In Q3 of 2020, and we expect that we're going to be able to operate Successfully even with the border closure and we are optimistic that the efforts underway in terms of vaccines and so on will lead to An acceleration, very similar to what it did in the U. S. To give you an example, if you look at Jasper Lodging compared to say 2020, We 56,000 room nights on the books, 2020. We're at 65,000 room nights in Jasper In the 2021 season. So we see already acceleration. If the borders remain closed, Canadians are going to travel within the country And they're going to experience and visit destinations that appeal to them and we have a lot of destinations and experiences that will appeal. We're optimistic that there will be some movement on the border, but we think we can operate successfully within the attraction space and also within the hospitality and lodging space through this summer, even if the order remains closed. Okay. Okay. Very good. And then in terms of the acquisition And that's the Golden SkyBridge attraction. Can you expand a little bit more on the strategic value of that asset, why it was a good fit within Pursuit? Sure. And what's important to remember is it sits 90 minutes from Banff. It also the town of Golden Sits in a circle surrounded by 5 national and provincial parks. It's on the main thoroughfare that crisscrosses Canada, so the Trans Canada Highway. Unlike the U. S. Interstate system, there's primarily one route that takes you from west to east and east to west, which travels through Golden. It also is a community that as Banff becomes busier and more hotel properties are renovated, there's a trickle down effect that drives Tour and travel business into Golden as well. And so we believe, 1, the experience really is iconic, unforgettable and inspiring. And we use those words, but it's our first test You know it when you see it. And then can we integrate it into itineraries and a variety of other things. So it's a great example of a tuck in Within an existing and strong geography in giving us a guest experience that we think is very additive to our traction base. The other thing that We really like about the Golden Sky Bridge is its 1st season will operate seasonally, but into the future will operate on a year round basis as Golden It's got quite a vibrant ski destination as well with limited apres ski and other time activities. So we believe that it's got great potential for year round business as well. Okay. Very good. Very good. Switching gears to the GES side of things and appreciate All the commentary there. Just in terms of your outlook for the second half of this year, has your Confidence or your overall view on what you guys might look like in the second half of this year improved versus 90 days Agao, is it kind of the same? Just kind of curious what you're seeing today in terms of the second half of the year at GES versus the last time that we Yes, Tyler, a lot's happened in the last 90 days since we last spoke. And as we get Closer to these events, you start seeing more of the pacing of the sale of Floor Space for some of the events. And so we feel good about How that's tracking for the back half of twenty twenty one, you also see just the relaxation of For easing of some of the restrictions that are out there, when the Kentucky Derby can have 50,000 people in attendance, Other large sporting events are starting to take place. Just before the call, I read that Chicago Auto will taking place in the middle of July in Chicago. So, there's a lot of positive trends that have happened in the last 90 days that How about feeling very confident about the back half of the year? Okay. And then so as you start to Restarts in GDS and some of the shows come back online. Can you just remind us some of the startup Costs necessary to reactivate that business, if you will. And then there are a lot of industries out there that are seeing Shortages of labor right now, is that something that concerns you at all? Is that something that you're potentially seeing out there for you guys? During the pandemic, we certainly cut back on overall SG and A and we did so for the last year to make it through the pandemic. We're in a mode now where we're starting to increase our staff in preparation for the back half of As you know, a portion of our labor that we use at the show site in terms of the execution is all union labor, And we feel confident that that labor will be there when the need arises for it. So we're building those plans to be able And be prepared for the events that are coming in the back half of the year. And I feel very good about our ability to do that. I also think what's important is Yes, we've moved to a little bit more of a freelance or flexible model in terms of labor And that allows us to scale as the revenue comes back. So, we think that's the right approach that we should be taking during 2021. And we feel good about our level of preparation as events are coming back. Okay, excellent. And housekeeping question I think Alan, just in terms of CapEx side of things, can you remind us, I think you said $20,000,000 spend in the second Quarter, how much are you looking for the full year and how much of that will be categorized as maintenance CapEx spend? Yes, Tyler. We haven't given guidance on the full year, but the first half is a little heavily weighted due to the FlyOver Las Vegas. So we had about $20,000,000 in CapEx in the first half for FlyOver Las Vegas. That's a big part of the $20,000,000 in the second quarter, FlyOver Las Vegas, Golden Sky Bridge and the Jasper As far as maintenance goes, the maintenance CapEx is going to be held to absolutely Sorry, CapEx, but on the Pursuit side, it tended to be 6 Percent of revenue, since we're not giving guidance, I don't really know how I can guide for that. But I will say that the maintenance CapEx is kept to a minimum. Okay, very good. And then I think just The last question for me, just in terms of capital priorities moving forward here, I think you've laid out A pretty attractive growth outlook, certainly the next few quarters with things getting better. Just Any thoughts on strategically what makes might make sense besides just M and A, Especially on the GDS side of things perhaps? Yes. We've been pretty clear in terms of our growth strategy and We're going to continue to invest in Pursuit along the lines of refresh, build, buy. Obviously, David, in his comments, Talked through a number of things that we're bringing online right now. So those types of acquisitions or development projects are ones that you'll In terms of GES, there are, as we've talked about before, it's been an for the live event industry. And as I mentioned until my comments, some of our competitors We haven't weathered the storm very well and we think that there's opportunities to grow more organically than Through acquisition and that's kind of our strategy going forward for the rest of 2021. Okay. Very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thank you for the detail. Your next question comes from Kartik Mazat from Northcoast Research. Hi. This is Alex on for Kartik. Thank you for taking our questions. And our first question just comes from the Pursuit side. And What type of demand are you seeing from residents within the Banff Jasper location? And then if those locations remain closed to U. S. Tourism for the summer, are you planning on keeping that discount for the residents during that peak season or removing it? I'm not sure which discount you're referring to, but I can give you a view to demand. So we're pacing for Jaffa right now 17% ahead of What was a quite a strong season in 2020, and that is really primarily all Canadians traveling. There's no international business in that Growth mix, and we expect that number is just going to improve. We do have at all times, Depending on the time of day and period of the year, more of a dynamic pricing curve, to be honest. And so if you've got a young family and want to visit an Action early in the morning. It's generally a more favorable ticket price than if you want to come at 2 o'clock in the afternoon on a Saturday. So we do price dynamically and adjust. And we adjust any offers that we have based on the conditions within that particular market and also by type of visitor, mix of product, What else is packaged and so on. So we spend a lot of time and energy around on the pricing side and we'll adjust according to what the demand is. Okay, great. And then are you taking international bookings for the BAMF locations or is that a wait and see into the May 21 date? There are folks booking and they're booking for obviously further in the year, whether that's September or October or August, dependent upon Travel trends and what they're seeing, actively Iceland is accelerating right now. So we're seeing lots of movement Into Alaska, Montana and Iceland and then obviously the Canadian border has an impact on our Western Canadian visitation, but Those conditions are improving really daily and weekly. Okay, great. Understood. Thank you. Welcome. Your next question comes from Steve O'Hara from Sidoti and Company. Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just curious on the maybe on the GES side, how you see that business coming back? I mean, you talked The airlines seem to think that business travel kind of comes back in the fall and then you see a much stronger resurgence In January, when budgets get opened it back up again, just kind of is there similar pent up demand For business as there is for leisure travel? Yes. Good question, Steve. Obviously, there's been a lot of conversation about The leisure travel leaving the recovery back and as David talked about Larned, we see that Happening right now, what we see for GDS in the back half of the year, we do see the number of events that we would That we will produce being greater than what we traditionally would in a typical year. However, we do see them reduced in their size. We think that the business travelers will ultimately return, but it will be a gradual effect that kind of starts In the beginning of the end of the second quarter, beginning of Q3 and goes through the end of the year. So, we see the number of events Okay. And that kind of dosedale into my next question. The you said you're taking bookings for 2022. I mean, is there a way to think about what that could look like in terms of I assume there'll be some of the same type of scenario where maybe you have More events, but smaller events or maybe not. I guess I'm just wondering from Conversations with customers, clients, I mean, what are they saying about 2022? I When you talk to the show organizers of exhibitions, they're happy to go back to their normal Schedule throughout the year. Everything really was compressed or is being compressed in the back half of twenty twenty one. And so the schedule I think will come back to pre pandemic levels starting in 2022. What we're hearing from our corporate clients is a strong interest in starting to plan events. Some are repeat events and some are new events. So, we actually think that there's a fairly strong demand for those events to start taking place in 2022 and beyond and that's The work that we started with our clients. Okay. That's helpful. And maybe on just Pursuit, I'm sorry, going back to GES, I think you said In the Q3, you expected GES to have better cash flow or I didn't I don't think you said cash flow positive. Is that correct? We expect that it would be cash flow positive depending on how the pandemic Sure. But we do expect to be cash flow positive. Great. Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe just moving to Can you just remind me in terms of international, and I guess, I mean, Other than the U. S. And North America, how much of that market is typically international? And Is that a governing factor in the near term on how well those properties can do? Or do you see pent up demand kind of making up for that shortfall? Yes, Thank you for that. It depends on demand is really powerful. And we're seeing it, as I mentioned in my remarks, I mean, we're seeing right now lodging pace ahead in Alaska of 19 by 44%. If you translate that also looking at Montana, we're tracking very strongly in Montana. Call center activity significantly ahead, pacing 23.5%, 24% ahead. Jasper pacing Strongly 17% ahead of this time last year and performance through 2020. So it's encouraging to see and pent up demand is quite strong And folks are deciding maybe this isn't the year to go in their African safari, but they're focused on say going to Alaska and the booking pace has accelerated pretty dramatically. Again, as I mentioned in the remarks, typically 350, 400 bookings a week would be a typical number for Alaska. We're taking between 81300 bookings And that pace hasn't let up. International visitation in a typical year is about 51%, and We don't segregate out the U. S. Obviously. International visitation from overseas It's slowed because everyone is obviously paying attention. But if you look at Iceland, Iceland, if you're fully vaccinated, you don't require any quarantine period. So Delta has just resumed flights. They have their first flight landing. They go to daily within the next couple of weeks, as does United and a variety of others. And Icelandair ramps back up their flight. So we expect traffic from the U. K. And the U. S. Into Iceland will be quite strong. And if Canada the Canadian border We've planned and organized ourselves to obviously sustain the business, but we don't have a crystal ball. I don't have any future view that I can speculate on other than we're seeing signs of strong enthusiasm and acceleration of vaccine delivery, which if you look at where the U. S. Was Beginning of February compared to where the U. S. Is at the end of March, it's quite a marked difference. So we see that happening in Canada and so we're encouraged by that. All right. Thank you very much for the time. Thanks, Steve. Your next Question comes from Barry Haines from Encities Asset Management. Thanks so much. I had two questions. First one, Just thinking about Pursuit and in terms of room rates, if we were to look at where they are now compared to where they were in Dean, any feel for where rates are? That's the first question. Other than joy and encouragement, It's actually pacing quite well and not specifically RevPAR and EDR. So we're seeing growth across categories. Right now, for instance, in Glacier, we're trending up 21% from 'nineteen, Significant growth in Alaska as well, strong performance in Jasper. So we're seeing not only volume increases, but also strong RevPAR and ADR growth. And given that accelerated demand, we've also been able to yield significantly in key periods. So we move We study price every single week and we move according to demand and we've been moving price pretty consistently over the last 6, 7 weeks or so. Great. Thanks. And then second question, a little bit more of a big picture one. If we look to 'twenty two And not looking for guidance or forecast, but or maybe even not even talking about a year, but assuming 'twenty two or 'twenty three, whatever, It's back to normal. What's the right way to think about the earnings potential of the business? Because you've had some cost cuts in GES, we've had some traction additions in Pursuit. So Anything you could point us to as investors that in terms of how we should be thinking about earnings power in a normal year versus where 2019 was, let's say? Yes. Well, I think if we compare the earnings of say 2019 pre pandemic to Where we will be at full recovery, I'm not going to put a time to when that happens because the businesses are coming back at different paces. I mean, clearly, we'll be better off. We've seen we believe there's margin opportunity within the GTS business On kind of the existing base of revenue just based on a lot of the transformation work that we did over the last 12 months. And the Pursuit team has brought on new attractions over the last 12 months and we believe those will You'll continue to add strength to the earning power at Pursuit. So we're very bullish and optimistic about what This business looks like when there's a full recovery, but clearly better off than where we were in 2019. Okay. Thanks so much. I can't give you specifics around what that looks like entirely, but we're very optimistic and bullish about our future. Great. Thanks so much. Thanks, Barry. That was our last question at this I will turn the call back over to the presenters for closing remarks. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, everybody, for your questions and your interest in Viad. And we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thanks everybody. Bye bye. 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