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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 2, 2022

Operator

Welcome to Ryman Hospitality Properties Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today for Ryman Hospitality Properties are Mr. Colin Reed, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Mark Fioravanti, President, Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson, Chief Financial Officer, and Mr. Patrick Chaffin, Chief Operating Officer. This call will be available for digital replay. The number is 800-839-1246, with no conference ID required. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson. Ma'am, you may begin.

Jennifer Hutcheson
CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. This call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements about the company's expected financial performance. Any statements we make today that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Words such as believe or expect are intended to identify these statements, which may be affected by many factors, including those listed in the company's SEC filings and in today's release. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results we discuss or project today. We will not update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or any other reason. We will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. We reconcile each non-GAAP measure to the most comparable GAAP measure in exhibits to today's release.

I will now turn the call over to Colin.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, Jen, and good morning, everyone. The second quarter was another remarkable quarter for our company and our Hospitality business in particular. The momentum we generated in our Hospitality business during the first quarter as we rebounded from the low point of the Omicron wave in January, carried through to several new record performances in the second quarter. Let me list some of these milestones for you. Second quarter was our best quarter ever in the history of the Gaylord brand for transient ADR. At 283, this was an increase of 31% over the second quarter of both 2019 and 2021. The second quarter was also a record all time for us for both total revenue and total adjusted EBITDAre for our Hospitality segment. Those records were not by a narrow margin.

Second quarter adjusted EBITDA was a total of $22 million higher than the next best quarter, and our adjusted EBITDAre margin was also at an all-time record, up 125 basis points above the next best quarter. Regarding our forward production, this second quarter saw the highest ADR on new definite bookings for all future years at $243. On a monthly basis, we also saw a few records within the quarter. For example, April was the single best most profitable month for adjusted EBITDAre for the Gaylord Hotel brand and the second highest margin month on record. At the individual hotel level, the Gaylord Rockies gained the distinction of setting the single highest occupancy month on record for any Gaylord hotel when it reached 92.4% for the month of June.

From just about every angle you look, our results this quarter were a testament to our capital allocation strategy and the actions that we've taken over the last several years to meet the challenge of the pandemic head on, and to position our hotel business to thrive in the eventual recovery. These steps included retaining over 80% of our sales force, even as the hotels were closed, and working hand in hand with our core customer, the meeting planner, to rebook their business. We also continued critical planned capital investments into expansions, rooms, and meeting space upgrades, reconfigured F&B outlets and other amenities. We streamlined our operating models for improved efficiency to better face with rising wages and other inflationary costs.

We reimagined, in many respects, our approach to leisure programming, finding new ways to attract and retain premium leisure demand around our traditional group business. All this work was manifested in the second quarter, in these figures, that I've just shared with you, and I couldn't be more pleased with the job that our team and the Marriott teams and our hotels put forth to produce these results. This is a good moment to remind everyone that this indeed was still, in essence, a recovery quarter for us, despite all of these records. We accomplished this performance with five fewer occupancy points in the quarter than in the second quarter of 2019, our last pre-pandemic year.

This tells us we have more opportunity ahead to build on this success as occupancy finally gets back to pre-pandemic levels, and we continue to set our sights on new records in the years to come, particularly in an environment where new supply growth remains limited and our own on the books pace for group rooms revenue in the years ahead exceeds pre-pandemic levels. Now, I know what some of you folks are thinking about, so let's address it head on before I go into any more detail about the quarter and our outlook. Now, some of you are thinking, "Well, these records are nice, but that's a few weeks ago. Don't you know there's a big recession coming?

Inflation is out of control," and so on. I think that reflects some misunderstanding around our business and the current backdrop compared to past economic cycles. As I just noted, our Hospitality business is still in a recovery period. The desire and the demand to meet among the majority of our customers remains high and pent-up. Many of our customers have not held their annual meetings, events critical to their mission and even financial health in many cases for literally over two years. That is a very different set of circumstances than we were going into the 2009 period, and the great financial crisis was unfolding. What we're hearing from our customers right now, and Patrick can go into that a little bit more, is that they are proceeding with their plans.

Certainly, they read the news too, and a few have noted that they're keeping an eye on the equity markets or the macroeconomic data. Right now, on a net basis, the need and the pressure to resume meetings is winning out. That is evidenced, for example, in our recent production. In the second quarter, we booked 600,000 group room nights, which was only 8% below the second quarter of 2019. As I mentioned at the top of the call, ADR on these new bookings was an all-time record, 15% higher than the second quarter of 2019, and 14% higher than the second quarter of last year. By the way, our production for July again showed a pretty strong segment at play.

We are seeing solid interest from our customers, and our forward book of business, as a result, remains in excellent shape. As of June 30th, we had 43.9 points of net group occupancy on the books for 2023. This is 1.2 points higher than we had at the same time last year, looking ahead to 2022, and it's only 0.07 points less than we had in 2018 for 2019. That is despite 3% more rooms inventory for the Gaylord Palms expansion in the denominator today compared to this point in 2018. More importantly, you must factor in the rate growth that we've seen over the last couple of years in our production.

Our net group ADR on the books for next year is 3.8% higher than our T+1 position at this time last year, and 10% higher than our T+1 position in 2018. In total, we had on June thirtieth, 6.6% more group revenue on the books for next year compared to this time in 2021, and 11.5% more than we had at the midpoint of 2018 looking into 2019. Bottom line, we feel great about where we stand right now and about our business and the fundamentals behind it, regardless of the economic backdrop that we can't control.

Perhaps this is a good time to note that we also collected $15 million in cancellation, $15 million , I should say, in cancellation attrition fees in the second quarter, putting our running total to over $110 million mark since the start of the pandemic. Now, of course, we were glad to see that this number trended down month-to-month in the quarter as we move further away from the Omicron impact. We'd like to see this continue downwards as the group recovery continues. These fees are an important feature of how we design our business to weather tough times. I want to remind you of it as long as I'm addressing concerns about recession, recessionary risks. Now, Mark will discuss some additional color by each property.

Suffice for me to say we were very pleased with our Hospitality business this quarter. It almost makes you forget that it was only six months ago where we were 32% occupancy for the month of January. Yet here we are, even after the bite that the Omicron wave took out of our first quarter, giving full year guidance, adjusted guidance for EBITDAre for this segment that is still on par with 2019 levels, which I'll let Jennifer walk through in more detail. Turning to Entertainment, the most exciting news was the execution of the acquisition of Block 21 in the quarter and the subsequent closing of our strategic investment with Atairos and NBCUniversal, which valued the new combined Opry Entertainment Group of Block 21 at just over $1.4 billion.

On a segment basis, our Entertainment business delivered $22 million of adjusted EBITDAre in the second quarter, which while it ended up being towards the lower end of our guidance, was nevertheless a record quarter for the segment as well, both as reported and on a same store basis. Compared to our initial expectations, a few factors contributed to the result not being an even bigger record. One is the slight delay in closing Block 21 versus our original timetable, which not only reduced the contributions of Block 21 to the second quarter, but also means we will get a bit later start on the many growth initiatives we have planned for this asset, some of which will now be felt more in 2023 instead of later this year, as we originally had planned for.

Turning to our Grand Ole Opry business, we've seen a slower recovery than expected in the customer segment that we call tour and travel, or what is more easily described as organized bus tours that buy tickets as part of their packaged itineraries. Also at the Opry, we've experienced some reduced availability of top drawing artists in Nashville during the summer, as many of them have accelerated their pent-up national and international touring activity due to the faster recovery from Omicron. I'm sorry, I'm reading too quickly here. While that's certainly great news for the artists and the millions of country lifestyle consumers visiting their shows, it does take away some availability for us to showcase them at home as often we would like here in Nashville.

Finally, there's been widespread softness right now in the advertising market, which has dampened top-line revenue at our Circle joint venture, even as Circle ratings have shown nice increases around our original content and the venture's costs have been following the plan that we had in place. This confluence of factors is why we brought our guidance for this segment down a bit to reflect that impact for the full year, though still expecting a record year for profitability for this business. When you compare what we've achieved in the second quarter to the same time in 2019 on a same-store basis, our core Entertainment portfolio delivered no less than 35% adjusted EBITDAre growth compared to pre-pandemic levels.

Now our focus is solidly on getting to work implementing our exciting plans for Block 21 and the ACL Live Theater under our ownership. We're also clear to commence construction on our Ole Red Las Vegas location right in the heart of the Strip, which we expect to complete in the early fall of next year. We now actively engage with our partners at Atairos and NBCUniversal on a roadmap of strategic initiatives across the business on which we look forward to sharing more as we move forward, together. I will pause here to hand over to Mark to get into a little bit deeper information on the hotel business and then to Jennifer to update our balance sheet. Mark Fioravanti.

Mark Fioravanti
President, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Colin. Good morning, everyone. As Colin has noted, this was an excellent quarter for our hotel business, with several all-time records achieved. Let me just take a moment to comment at the property level on some of the specific drivers of the performance. While the Gaylord Rockies led the brand in occupancy for the quarter at 76.6%, Opryland, The Palms, and The Texan all had similarly strong performances with occupancies above 74%. The Palms and Texan finished within 2 - 3 points of second quarter of 2019 levels. I would note that The Palms occupancy performance includes 300 additional rooms, a 21% increase in that property's available rooms. The Rockies occupancy was up 8 points as 2019 was its first year of operation and the hotel was not fully stabilized.

While Opryland trailed its 2019 performance by 6 points, it's important to note that Opryland had a tough comp as occupancy in the second quarter of 2019 exceeded 81%. All four hotels had excellent ADR growth over the second quarter of 2019, ranging from 16.6% at the Rockies up to 22% at The Texan, which in each case was notably led by the transient segment. Versus the second quarter of 2019, the Rockies transient ADR grew 46.5%, The Palms 39.9%, followed by Opryland at 37% and The Texan at 36.5%. Group ADR also performed well, growing on average 11.5% across the four hotels.

All four hotels delivered very good outside-the-room spend for groups in house, with other RevPAR at The Texan up 9.3%, The Palms 22.5%, Rockies 26.7%, all compared to the second quarter of 2019. Opryland lagged the leaders in other RevPAR, up 1.2% as the mix shift from corporate to association room nights led to more modest growth in outside the room spending. In addition, Opryland was the only property to experience a decline in attrition and cancellation revenue, as Opryland received several large cancellation fees in the second quarter of 2019 that were well above historic norms.

The combination of strong leisure ADR, robust outside the room group revenue, including attrition and cancellation fees, all on top of our operational improvements, delivered strong flow-through on incremental revenue at The Palms, Rockies, and Texan, ranging from 49.7% at The Palms to 65.3% at The Texan when compared to 2019. Opryland's margin and flow-through versus 2019 was challenged by the group mix and the decline in fee collections. Finally, I wanna comment on The National because what we saw in the financial performance there was quite encouraging to us as the D.C. market continues to recover. When we look at this hotel's overall margin and flow-through, we're clearly seeing the positive impacts of our capital investment and the operational improvements we have undertaken during its extended COVID shutdown.

While the National's occupancy trailed the second quarter of 2019 by 17 points, I would note that like Opryland, the hotel faced a very tough 2019 comp of 81.4% occupancy. Despite this reduction in occupancy, the National's adjusted EBITDAre margin was only down 2% compared to the same period. In fact, if you exclude the interest we receive on the Gaylord National bond, margins at the hotel level were in fact comparable to 2019 levels, down only 60 basis points despite 17 fewer points of occupancy. This tells us the new staffing model investment and investments we've made in F&B reconcepting are beginning to pay dividends. Specifically, food and beverage was $2.5 million lower than the second quarter of 2019 due to the reduced occupancy. However, food and beverage profit was up $1 million.

This is really good news and validates much of the hard work that went into addressing the challenges at The National over the last two years. In terms of what we're seeing in the labor market and staffing levels, we did see year-over-year wage rate inflation in the quarter at an average of 19% across the portfolio. These increases have been offset by rate and pricing increases, improvements in hours per occupied room, and efficiencies in our property leadership structure. We feel comfortable with our current staffing levels relative to our targets, and as was our practice prior to the pandemic, where we have difficulty filling roles, we rely on contract labor.

Overall, we feel good about our ability to continue to navigate any pressures in the labor market by remaining a preferred employer and creating a culture to retain the best people, and by doing so, deliver great value to our guests so they return time and time again. Now let me turn it over to Jennifer to provide a balance sheet and liquidity update as well as our updated guidance.

Jennifer Hutcheson
CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, Mark. In the second quarter, the company generated total revenue of $470.2 million and net income to common shareholders of $50.3 million, or $0.91 per fully diluted share. The company closed its acquisition of Block 21 for $255 million in the quarter, including contract price adjustments and the assumption of $136 million of CMBS debt. Subsequently, we received net proceeds of $296 million from the sale of 30% of Opry Entertainment Group to Atairos, as well as the recapitalization of OEG with a new $300 million term loan. We used these proceeds to retire our $300 million term loan A and other borrowings under our corporate revolving credit facility.

This left the company with an undrawn revolver, a new undrawn $65 million revolver at OEG, and $179 million of unrestricted cash at quarter end, for total liquidity of $934 million, excluding $10 million of letters of credit. With total net debt of $2.68 billion and trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDAre of $408 million, this puts our current net leverage at approximately 6.6x. Based on the midpoint of our guidance range, which I'll cover next, we would expect to end the year at approximately 5x, which is close to the upper end of our preferred range.

Based on the strong performance of our hotel portfolio in the second quarter and the items impacting our Entertainment business that Colin described, we have revised our full year guidance and are also now issuing third quarter guidance. For this third quarter of 2022, we expect our Hospitality business to deliver between $125 million-$130 million of adjusted EBITDAre, and our consolidated company to produce $137 million-$146 million of adjusted EBITDAre. For the full year 2022, we expect our Hospitality segment to deliver $475 million-$490 million of adjusted EBITDAre. I would point out that this represents an increase of $32 million at the midpoint compared to the $15 million by which the second quarter exceeded our previous guidance.

Perhaps most notable, at the midpoint of $482.5 million, this puts our Hospitality segment right at 2019 performance, which is remarkable when you recall what Omicron did to the first quarter of this year just a few months ago. For the Entertainment segment, we expect full year adjusted EBITDAre inclusive of Block 21 to be in the range of $72 million-$80 million. This is a reduction of $8 million at the midpoint, reflecting the factors that Colin described earlier. Lastly, for our Corporate segment, we expect the full year adjusted EBITDAre loss to be in the range of $32 million-$33 million, which at the midpoint is $5 million more than our prior guidance. This change is primarily due to the strong performance of our hotel segment, leading us to accrue for higher incentive compensation this year.

The net change on a consolidated basis is to increase the midpoint of our full year adjusted EBITDAre guidance by $19 million to a range of $514 million-$538 million, or close to $16 million above our consolidated 2019 results at the midpoint. With that, I'll turn it back over to Colin.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Jen. Katie, sorry. Let's open up the lines for questions then, please.

Operator

Thank you, sir. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touchtone phone. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing the pound key. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. We will pause for just a moment to allow questions to queue. Thank you. Our first question will come from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Dori Kesten
Director, Wells Fargo

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I had a few questions on the outlook. How much is assumed in Q3 and 4 for cancellation and attrition fees?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Hey, Dori. It's Patrick. You know, we would expect to see a decline in the second half of the year in our attrition and cancellation fees. You know, somewhere in the $10 million-$20 million range for the second half of the year is probably where we're gonna end up.

Dori Kesten
Director, Wells Fargo

Okay. Was the reduction in the Entertainment outlook solely due to the later than expected closing of Block 21, and just the plans that you had, I guess were not able to put in place, or was there anything else that was driving that?

Mark Fioravanti
President, Ryman Hospitality Properties

The delay in Block 21 and its integration is a portion of that. You know, as the business has reramped from COVID, we've seen some impact from the tour and travel business, as Colin mentioned, that's impacting you know, Opry attendance as well as our daytime tour business at the Opry and the Ryman. You know, Colin also mentioned in the script that you know, availability of artists with the artists touring post-pandemic, that increased schedule has reduced availability for some of the A-list artists at the Opry House. You know, we've seen some softness, particularly in Orlando as it relates to our Ole Red there. That Ole Red is located near the convention center. Convention traffic there is running a bit below pre-pandemic levels.

That combined with the tragedy that occurred in ICON Park a few months ago is having some implications for that location because we are located in ICON Park as well. All those issues are really contributing to how we view the Entertainment business for the rest of the year. I would say though that, you know, that business has performed extremely well, as Colin shared on the call through the first half. As you look at the second half, if you look at the implied second half EBITDA growth versus 2019 at the midpoint, you know, we are projecting 55% growth over 2019 levels in terms of profitability for that business in the second half.

That business is having a terrific year.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. Let me add to this, Mark. Look, we try always to be extremely transparent with you folks, the analysts and the investors. As you all know, we went through this process last year where we sat down with 10 interested companies that wanted to partner with us on this business. They all wanted a plan to be built. We built the plan based upon the way we thought 2022 was gonna play out. What has basically happened is the Omicron wave that hit us in the middle of the winter, December, January, February, was not frankly something that we planned for, and it had, you know, a marginal impact on consumer behavior. This is a timing issue.

This is not a fundamental change of the business trajectory. This is a timing issue. You know, the busing business will be back. The group large citywide convention business in the Orlando market will be back. The artists that are out there that have been locked up for two years, you know, those folks, they're gonna take a breather and come back to Nashville. The other part of all of this that I really love with all of these artists all over the country, you know, and internationally playing, is that they're creating new fans that we can then turn around and bring back to Nashville. This is a timing issue.

The fundamental change to our hotel business is so exciting because what we've essentially done here is we have re-rated the hotel industry, our part of the hotel business here over the last one to two years. This is why we're seeing big leaps in leisure rate. People are now prepared to, you know, pay the rate that we're putting before them for the fabulous array of stuff that we put into our hotels. Our group side is just getting stronger and stronger by the day. You know, our July group room night production was very healthy at about 110,000 room nights produced. Patrick, what was that rate growth over 2019?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Over 2019, our July production was up about $58 or about 29.8%.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. You know, the Entertainment business, this issue is a timing issue. You know, Block 21, we look really forward to, you know, getting the hotel redone, sitting down and planning the Moody Theater renovation that we will do. This is a timing issue, but we're very excited about the underlying trajectory of this company. I know that was a long-winded answer to a very short question, but I felt like I had to give it to you.

Dori Kesten
Director, Wells Fargo

That's fine. Is it fair to say then, just to summarize all that as compared to three months ago, your outlook for the Hospitality business next year, I guess your internal outlook has improved and perhaps the Entertainment outlook is unchanged? Again, for next year, not 2022, where there's perhaps timing issues.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

I think our view of the Entertainment business next year hasn't changed for next year, given some of this delay in the recovery. I think our business next year is gonna be very good. You know, we're having many different discussions. We have our friends from Atairos here, Wednesday evening and Thursday. You know, we've got many interesting i deas on how to improve this business and grow it further. No, I'm pretty excited about it for 2022.

Dori Kesten
Director, Wells Fargo

Okay. Thank you.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Dori.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Smedes Rose with Citi. Your line is now open.

Smedes Rose
Director, Citi

Hi, thanks. I had a couple of questions, but the first one maybe just kind of, as we think about the outlook for the rest of the year, can you just help to think about what sort of the effective tax rate would be, at least relative to our forecast for the taxes were a little higher in the quarter? Just kind of trying to think about that going forward.

Jennifer Hutcheson
CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Hi, Smedes. This is Jennifer.

Smedes Rose
Director, Citi

Okay.

Jennifer Hutcheson
CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

We do have a reconciliation for adjusted EBITDA in the supplemental schedule to our earnings release, and that shows you a line for kind of the combined total tax provision for what we're projecting for the year, just kind of as a reconciliation for our full year guidance. As you noticed, it sounds like that number is a little bit higher than what we've typically seen in the past. I guess one unfortunate byproduct of having your hotel business do so well is the higher income tax bill that kind of comes with that. The other thing that impacted that estimate is kind of the timing and the rapid ramp of this recovery kind of limits your ability to maybe manage your taxes within a particular given year.

We have had a fair amount of NOLs that have built up over the years, and we've been steadily utilizing those, and those will start to wind down. The unfortunate news is as well, we've created new NOLs. There have been recent tax laws that have been enacted that limit the amount of those new NOLs being created that you can apply in a given year, although they can carry forward indefinitely now, which is the upside to that. Again, that's a little bit of a timing issue as well. A little bit of an anomaly in 2022. We may continue in the future to see relative to historical periods where we were able to utilize more of our NOLs, you know, higher than those pre-pandemic level taxes.

probably a little more stabilized level than what we're gonna see in 2022 in terms of tax, cash taxes, so.

Smedes Rose
Director, Citi

Okay. I appreciate that. Then, Colin, I just wanted to ask you the big picture, and you've talked to this before, and I know it's probably a couple of years out, but with Chula Vista now breaking ground, you know, and they've talked about the number of room nights they expect to book and kind of their goals. I'm just wondering, do you, all things equal, would you expect now for some of your groups that you've talked about rotating through the Gaylord Resorts that you start to see gaps now as they start to include Chula Vista in their lineup? Or do you think that's not necessarily something to be kind of concerned about over the next couple of years?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Hey, Smedes, it's Patrick. No, we do not expect to see any negative impact from Chula Vista. Quite the opposite. If you recall what we did with Gaylord Rockies when we started the presales on that property, was we set a very aggressive acquisition target. To make sure that the new hotel was bringing in new groups that the brand had never been exposed to. The second part of that is to make sure that the existing groups that are already traveling through our hotels are simply adding to their rotation. If we had a group that was hitting some of our East Coast properties, and we were missing out on their West Coast rotation, we now pick up their West Coast rotation.

We've been very clear, both when we were opening Rockies and as Chula Vista prepares to start their sales effort, to get those aggressive acquisition targets out there and to monitor very closely to make sure that we are having the sales at Chula Vista be accreted to the brand overall and expanding the overall rotation of a particular group through the brand. We definitely don't see that as a negative. We think it is a plus for the entire brand long term.

Smedes Rose
Director, Citi

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

Hey. Good morning, everyone. My first question, you had mentioned some sizable cancellations at the Opryland in 2Q. I'm just wondering what was driving that. Was there any common themes behind that? That was my first question. Thank you.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, just to clarify, what was being spoken to was that we saw cancellation collections decline versus the second quarter of 2019 at Opryland. What really was going on was an anomaly in the second quarter of 2019 at Opryland, where they had two very large groups cancel, and we were able to collect on both of those. It set sort of a high water mark in terms of collections in the second quarter at Gaylord Opryland. We didn't see an increase in cancellations at Opryland per se in the second quarter of 2022. We are just referencing why we saw a decline in collections 2022 versus 2019.

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

Okay. Thank you. I misheard you. Thank you for the clarification. And then my next question, Colin, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but you know, when we look at supply versus for various cities, Nashville continues to lead the way. You know, historically, supply you know because you have a differentiated product, has not been an issue. Would you assume that that would be the case for the new supply coming in this year and next year?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

As far as Nashville is concerned?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yes. Yes.

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

Yeah. Nashville. When I look at the Lodging Econometrics, it does have Nashville as-

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

you know, fortunately

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

the greatest amount of supply.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You know, Patrick, we could spend 20 minutes talking about Nashville here. I've got a meeting today, lunch meeting with the head of the airport because they've just approved a new expansion of the airport going on top of the one that they're finishing, another $1 billion expansion. The reason for it is Nashville does not have enough gates to accommodate the demand for flights coming into this town. The issue of supply in this market has got to be addressed by what do you think is happening on the demand side. What we're seeing is unprecedented demand right through this market. It is quite amazing, you know, the demand for hotel rooms, Airbnbs in the city of Nashville.

The reason for it is people are discovering this product called music that we have here all across the nation. You know, I'll give you a silly example. Garth Brooks' manager, Randy Bernard, told me that they had gotten back about a month and a half ago from Ireland, the two of them, where they launched five concerts. They're gonna do five concerts in September in the Irish Rugby football stadium in Dublin. They sold 400,000 tickets in the space of six hours. At the end of it, they had 80,000 on the wait list. That's 12.5% of the population of Ireland wanting to see Garth Brooks in Dublin. This is going on all across, you know, Europe, all across this country.

These artists are out in the communities, you know, doing what they do so well, and people want to turn around and come to Nashville. This is the reason why, frankly, Patrick, you've seen some of the enormous sales on a per room basis that we've seen in this market over the course of the last, you know, three or four months. Hotels trading at somewhere between half a million and almost a million dollars a key in Nashville, Tennessee. Am I concerned about, you know, another three or four thousand hotel rooms being built, frankly, at a, you know, 200 rooms here, 300 rooms here? Am I concerned about that? This is not gonna touch the group business, but it's going to allow more accommodation of the leisure business.

By the way, when you look at all of the Entertainment assets that we have in this town, the more consumers come to Nashville, the better our Entertainment business is gonna perform. It's a long-winded answer of saying, you know, we love what's going on here.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Hey, I would just put a fine point on it by saying a lot of our transient business is driven to enjoy our holiday programming and our summer water park and water features here at Opryland. That's a lot of local and regional business. You know, the new supply that's coming in does not really give us a lot of concern because they do not have the type of programming or the type of attractions that we have at Gaylord Opryland that continues to drive that local and regional business in. To Colin's point, you know, very little of that's group focused as far as the new supply. It's mostly downtown located, and so it really doesn't cause a great concern for us.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Well, it's starting to move out into the suburbs now because of the, you know, the extraordinary cost that is going on, you know, for real estate. You know, we're seeing hotels being built in Green Hills and Brentwood, and it's just going to add to the, you know, to the allure of this town. No, I think what is going on is good stuff.

Patrick Scholes
Managing Director of Lodging and Leisure Equity Research, Truist Securities

Okay. Thank you. Very thorough answer.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks. Thanks, Patrick. Good talking to you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Shaun Kelley
Senior Research Analyst and Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging and Leisure Equities, Bank of America

Hey, good morning, everyone. I just wanted to ask about the demand outlook, specifically, you know, one number caught our eye, which is the, you know, up 11.5%, if I caught it correctly, for 2023 group revenues on the books. I just wanted to unpack that a little bit. First, you know, two parts. First would be, could you just talk a little bit about, I believe that's really RevPAR, but could you talk a little bit about what you're seeing on sort of the outside the room or the ancillary spending that kind of goes into the total RevPAR formula? What are you just seeing from groups in your mix between corporate and association? So how is that trending relative to the kind of underlying rate growth that you're seeing?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. Patrick can deal with that. Then, Patrick, you may also wanna just remind everybody, even though we're talking up 11% for next year over 2019, talk about what we think next year's leisure rate will be over 2019.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. Let's take each one of those. From an outside the room perspective, you know, what's on the books for next year is really just the food and beverage minimums in addition to the rooms. I'll tell you that the trends that we've seen in the second quarter and what we are anticipating for the remainder of the year gives us a lot of encouragement. We're seeing the group room contribution on the banquet side continuing to increase. We're seeing numbers from a lot of groups that are getting back to 2019 or in some cases exceeding 2019. And then as we continue to push pricing, we think that outside the room we'll continue to see a real positive trend.

You know, groups are definitely very quickly moving back to spending the same levels or more than they did previously with us back in 2019 pre-pandemic. From a mix perspective, we think 2023 is gonna be more favorable than 2022. We're continuing to watch that. Obviously, we have a lot to book here in the next six months, and we'll be watching that closely with our sales team. From a leisure perspective, to Colin's point, I guess I would note just what we did in the past seven days. Our ADR on the leisure transient side was an all-time high at $305 across the brand over the past seven days. We continue each week to see either as solid as the week prior or setting new records.

From a leisure perspective, we're very encouraged. Obviously, it won't last forever, but we are making sure that we continue to make improvements and enhancements in the hotels so that we're continuing to improve the value proposition long term, so that even as rates may start to slow from a growth perspective, we have reasons to continue moving our pricing or at least hold.

Shaun Kelley
Senior Research Analyst and Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging and Leisure Equities, Bank of America

Great color. Thanks for that, Patrick. Just as the follow-up, if we're thinking about this level of demand into next year, can you help us think about the, you know, the cost environment? Mark gave some detail on this in his prepared remarks, but just help us think about the bridge of sort of how much cumulative inflation, you know, we should be thinking about. You know, it's a fancy way of saying, are margins sustainable as we think about kind of this quarter and the remaining two quarters of this year heading into next, or do we need to be, you know, thinking about, you know, pressures there as it relates to the inflation side as a partial offset to the growth you're seeing on the top line?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. So this is obviously stuff that we spend a lot of time thinking about. Certainly at our hotel business, having very extensive discussions with our friends from Marriott. We took an initiative last year, basically with Marriott to say we've got to reengineer the organization of these massive hotels that employ anywhere from, you know, 1,250-1,750 people. We've been able to do that. Particularly on the labor side. Mark, you wanna talk a little bit about what we've been able to accomplish on the labor side and what we believe the impacts of that would be for next year?

Mark Fioravanti
President, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. I mean, as Colin said, we worked with Marriott to restructure leadership, which, you know, is really supervisors and above. Where we're currently tracking in the second quarter, our total leadership, the headcount across the portfolio is down a couple hundred, about 15%. So there's some efficiencies created there. It also creates opportunities for those leaders to have an increased span of control. As you think about leaders growing their career and developing their skills, it creates, we think, a higher quality leader as they move up through the ranks. We have a decline in management costs. If you look at the second quarter, our hours per occupied room was down about 10%.

We're seeing some more efficiency there. As I mentioned in the remarks, our wage rate is up about 19%. When we look at the wage margin in the second quarter, it actually improved 50 basis points. You know, all of these efficiencies coupled with some of the pricing strength that we've seen, you know, certainly we think that the margins that we're seeing are sustainable and in fact, you know, will expand as we move through this year and into next year.

Shaun Kelley
Senior Research Analyst and Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging and Leisure Equities, Bank of America

Thank you very much.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jay Kornreich with SMBC. Your line is now open.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Congrats on the quarter. You know, the leisure transient segment has clearly been quite strong for you with the record ADRs you guys talked about, and perhaps you may wanna retain a greater exposure to the segment going forward than the 28% of demand historically. As we're facing some, you know, macro headwinds and fears of recession, which you gave some commentary on, do you think about trying to lean more into the future group bookings, which may be more sticky? Or is the thought to continue to push the leisure demand kind of as much as you can while you can?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yes. Another very good question. Another question that we spent a lot of time thinking about. First of all, on the group side, you know, when you think about this core group of consumers that we really focus on, which is the 600+ at peak, we have such a small market share of the these groups. If we can generate 80-100 of those groups per hotel per year, these hotels run, you know, at about 80% occupancy. Our goal is to absolutely generate that level of sustainable group demand into these hotels.

That's why, you know, over COVID, we have sat with our friends at Marriott and said, "We wanna increase the quality and the quantity of group sales, bodies that are focused exclusively to our particular brand." We've done that. That's one of the reasons you're seeing production levels where they are. We've also been, you know, I think, looking after these hotels the way we have, the refurbishment of these hotels, we're able to get this jump in rate that we've seen here over the last 12 to 24 months.

Now, on the other hand, the leisure side of the business, we've become a lot more excited about because we have been able to change the rate structure over the last 24 months, you know, by about $50-$60, you know, per room sold. We've also, you know, tested the thesis through COVID, SoundWaves and what that has done, what the amount of rooms it's generated outside of the room spend. I will tell you this, that we have spent a lot of time over the last few months thinking about the next things that we do to stimulate the leisure side of this business because we're not satisfied as a company running these hotels at 80% occupancy, 75%-80% occupancy.

We wanna push that occupancy up and improve the profitability of these hotels. I don't think you're gonna see a major change in the percentage of leisure business that we're doing. I think you're gonna continue to see us adding amenities, upping rate, improving profitability. I think we may put more resources to the group side, because our sense is the way we have treated the meeting planner through COVID, the meeting planning community likes what we're doing. I know that's again, a long-winded answer to a very simple question, but it's a very complex question. I really do think that we can gain share in group, but I think at the same time, by improving the amenities, grow leisure room nights too.

Mark Fioravanti
President, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Well, I mean, when you look at the second quarter, our mix was essentially 75% group, 25% transient. It's pretty consistent with our historic mix. When we look at transient room nights quarter-over-quarter 2019 versus 2022, they're essentially flat. You know, we are through investment driving better rates on transient, but we haven't kind of artificially leaned into transient to drive occupancy. It's really our business coming back to its kind of post-pandemic or pre-pandemic form. We've been able to reprice the business.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. I would say that for the full year, just to further expand on Mark's point, we would expect to be about 70% group, 30% transient. To both their points, we're really just trying to grow the overall pie, not shift the mix between the two segments.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Keep pushing the living daylights out of rate.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC

Got it. Thank you. That's all really helpful color. I guess just specifically on the Gaylord National, you guys gave some commentary on that. You know, it's been a bit of a lagger, but did have a nice pick up to that 64% occupancy in the second quarter. Just any thoughts you can provide in terms of how you see that trending in the second half of the year and into next year?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You want to take that one ?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

We're really pleased with how you know, National was closed an additional 16-18 months longer than the remainder of the brand. A little bit more challenged as far as recovering, and the D.C. market has shown some challenges in recovering. We're very pleased with where it's heading. Obviously, that hotel relies a little bit more on the group side. What we've been able to accomplish during the shutdown period and since it's been reopened is to increase the flexibility in operations, to refresh the product, both in rooms and food and beverage, to upgrade the quality of our management team, and to really recast the culture there. We expect to see Gaylord National continuing to recover.

I would say, 2023, you know, our expectations is it will be a very favorable year, and that hotel should be catching back up to its, you know, 2019 levels and potentially exceeding them similar to what the rest of the brand has done already this year.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC

Great. Okay. Thanks so much for the time.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you. Katie, we're almost at the top of the hour. Maybe time for one more question, if there is one. If not.

Operator

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Our last question will come from Bill Crow with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

Hey, good morning. Apologize, I have a couple of questions. Feel free to give us short answers. Just clarification on the cancellation of the cancellation fees. Are they recognized when they're actually paid, or are they when it occurs in the actual quarter? I'm trying to see what sort of lag we're dealing with and kind of the anticipation for the third quarter.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. We only recognize the revenue once it's actually received. That may correspond to when the room nights were supposed to travel. It may not. We only recognize the revenue once it's received.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

It's possible you could double book, right? You could double dip and resell the rooms. Is there some of that goes on?

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, there is. You know, some groups include rebook clauses so that if we do, book additional rooms or groups into the pattern that they've left open with their cancellation, they get some credit for that. Some groups do not include that in their contract, so there are opportunities to potentially double dip at times.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

Yeah. Patrick, I'm gonna stay with you. Just help me understand whether we should be really excited about the fact the 601,000 rooms that were booked in the second quarter is terrific, and the headline 15% up from 19 sounds terrific. If these rooms are all booked in for 2024, 2025, I don't know that 15% keeps up with inflation. Help us understand about how we should feel about that number today.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. That's a great question. The reality is we're not to the level that we need to be yet. We are ramping. The sales team is incentivized this year to start pushing group rate, and they've started moving in that direction, and we've seen great results. But to your point, we still have a ways to go. So if you think about it as a C-130 trying to get off the runway, you know, we've got them mobilized, we've got them focused, they're getting great results, but there's still a lot of runway to get down before we get the plane fully up in the air.

We would expect to see group rate continue to grow, and then we'll see whether or not we actually end up in a better position maybe if a recession does occur, which is not a good thing, but it could slow down the inflationary environment, and we end up with group rate much higher on the books than what actually, you know, materializes post-recession.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

Okay.

Mark Fioravanti
President, Ryman Hospitality Properties

It's important also to note, Bill, that you know, when you consider in the year, four-year group, transient business and outside the room spending, the vast majority of our revenue is actually transacted in the year. You know, we do have the opportunity to move pricing in those areas and you know, combat inflation if it continues to run at a high level.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

Yeah. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Colin, maybe for you, my last question, just on the Entertainment side. You know, tours are normalizing, I guess. I don't remember in all the years that we've covered you that you've talked about touring impacting your ticket sales at the Opry. I'm just, this is something new, at least that I am hearing, and I'm just curious whether there's maybe so many downtown options that also.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

is impacting demand.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. What happens in a non-pandemic environment is that, you know, the big artists will do, you know, a stadium tour every other year. The not so big artists will do an arena tour every other year. That's just the way the cycle works. There's always, you know, a few artists that are not out on the road. What has happened here is nobody's been out on the road for the last two years. Everybody now is out on the road. I mean, that's just what is going on here. It's just a little bit more of a challenge. You know, it's not something that is gonna be with us for a long time.

I mean, it just isn't.

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. The only thing I would add to it is, you know, the hotel's seeing the same thing. We have a lot of tour and travel business that comes through in the fourth quarter that comes to see both the Opry as well as the holiday programming at the hotel. It is a little bit older demographic, and so they've been a little bit more hesitant to get back out on the road and travel around. You know, these are the buses that have a little bit older demographic on them. We expect to see them come back, but it'll probably be 2023 before that segment fully recovers. We've seen it consistently both at the hotel as well as what's seen at the Opry.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, many of these bus operators have had a terrible time through the pandemic. I mean, you know, these older folks are not out driving around America. It's in the process of recovery. Look, the point that Mark made here, Bill, in his comments a few minutes ago, our businesses are, you know, tremendously over pre-pandemic levels. This business is gonna be really good next year and really good the year after. We've just got a little bit of a timing issue around the edges. It's the opposite of what's going on in our hotel business.

Bill Crow
Managing Director, Raymond James

Okay. Thank you.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, sir. I understand we've got one more question. Katie.

Operator

Yes, sir. Our next question will be from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Chris Woronka
Senior Analyst of Hotel / Lodging REITs and Leisure, Deutsche Bank

Hey, guys. Really appreciate you squeezing me at the end there. Colin, this is more of a hypothetical question, I guess. I mean, two years ago, we were thinking about what group business is gonna look like in the future and, you know, here we are. You're getting good rates. The question is, has the behavior of groups, as you see it, changed at all? Maybe it's a geographic question, maybe it's a type of group kind of question, but are you seeing any changes in how groups want to utilize, you know, the group meeting space?

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

The answer to the question is that there are so many groups that absolutely want to get back to meeting. People have recognized that being locked up in a basement is not ideal for long-term health and viability of businesses. We're seeing a lot of groups, you know, wanting to meet, you know. That's. There's just. It's what we're going on. Patrick, you were at a big sales meeting a couple of weeks ago. You wanna just-

Patrick Chaffin
COO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, absolutely, Chris. Hey, Chris, it's good to talk to you. I will tell you, we've talked to a lot of meeting planners. Our sales team has talked to a lot of folks. In fact, there's a huge event going on here in Nashville right now with SEMA 2022. There's been a very consistent message back from meeting planners, and that is, yes, we understand there are recessionary fears. We understand the volatility that we've seen in the second quarter, but until that materializes and we absolutely have to take different action, we're gonna continue to meet because we are way behind and backlogged in getting our groups together, and it is hurting our businesses, and so we've got to get folks face to face again.

I will tell you, I mean, it kind of proves itself out in what we saw in the second quarter. You think about the amount of volatility in the markets, the amount of uncertainty and economic fears out there in the second quarter, and yet our groups picked up much better than we were expecting and what we had washed them down to. So they materialized in greater numbers. They materialized with better outside the room spend than we anticipated, even in the midst of all the volatility and uncertainty that was going on in the second quarter. So what they're saying to us is very clear. We're gonna continue moving forward and try to cut down on that backlog of meetings, and if we have to take action, we'll take it at the appropriate time.

I think one of the messages I've heard over and over again is we've seen the value of meeting face to face, and we need to make sure that that doesn't disappear from our horizon at any point in the future.

Chris Woronka
Senior Analyst of Hotel / Lodging REITs and Leisure, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Very helpful. Appreciate the details, guys. Thanks again.

Colin Reed
Chairman and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you. All right. I think, Katie, we're done. Appreciate everyone being on the call this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, you know how to get hold of us. Appreciate everything. Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's event. You may now disconnect.

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