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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 24, 2023

Operator

Welcome to Ryman Hospitality Properties Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from Ryman Hospitality Properties are Mr. Colin Reed, Executive Chairman, Mr. Mark Fioravanti, President and Chief Executive Officer, Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson, Chief Financial Officer, and Mr. Patrick Chaffin, Chief Operating Officer. This call will be available for digital replay. The number is 800-839-9881 with no conference ID required. At this time, all participants have been placed on listen-only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson. Ma'am, you may begin.

Jennifer Hutcheson
EVP and CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. This call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements about the company's expected financial performance. Any statements we make today that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Words such as believe or expect are intended to identify these statements, which may be affected by many factors, including those listed in the company's SEC filings and in today's release. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results we discussed or project today. We will not update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or any other reason. We will also discuss non-GAAP financial metrics today. We will reconcile each non-GAAP measure to the most comparable GAAP measure in exhibits to today's release.

I will now turn the call over to Colin.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, Jen. Good morning, everyone. Well, the Q4 was an appropriate exclamation point to close out an extraordinary year for our company. I don't think in all of my years in this industry I've seen anything like the last 12 months, going from just under 33 points of occupancy and $185 of total RevPAR in January 2022 during the worst of the Omicron wave, yet ending the year in December with just over 73 points of occupancy and a whopping $612 of total RevPAR. I really believe the results of this past quarter and our ability to recover so quickly from the last stage of the pandemic highlights the exceptional nature of our assets and our strategy compared to the wider industry.

Of course, we've always talked about these attributes since well before the pandemic, about our dedication to studying and understanding our core group customer and delivering the highest quality experiences to our guests. About our rotational system of world-class assets in top markets, which makes that customer's planning decisions so much easier by booking multi-year, multi-site meetings all at once. About our belief in investing significant capital into expanding and upgrading our assets against the backdrop of very limited new supply. About our strategy to induce our own transient demand with innovative and compelling programs around the calendar. By 2019, we were just starting to really reap the dividends, literally and figuratively, of this strategy.

As our newest property, the Gaylord Rockies, had just opened that year with an unheard of 1.2 million room nights on the books and generated over $85 million of adjusted EBITDA in its first full year of operation. The other cylinders of our hotels were firing as well, with the opening of SoundWaves and the expansion of The Texan and groundbreaking underway at The Palms. Of course, our entertainment business was riding high on the back of Nashville's exponential growth. We found ourselves at the end of 2019 sitting on a then record performances across so many metrics, and we felt like we were just getting started as we gave in February for what, by all signs, were going to be a bomb burner of a year on the heels of these investments.

Within weeks, it all came to a halt, and the last 3 years since then have been a whirlwind. Now here we are, 3 years and 3 COVID waves later, at last prepared to give you all a complete set of annual guidance once again. What we are planning for 2023 is already well beyond those figures we'd anticipated back in early 2020. Our loyal group customers are back in droves and spending healthily on property, thanks greatly to our emphasis on rebooking over fee collection during these dark days. Our assets themselves are transformed compared to this time in 2020, thanks to our commitment to invest capital.

This includes the 300 new rooms at The Palms, the beautifully renovated rooms at The National, a host of new ballrooms, meeting spaces, event lawns, pavilions, and atriums either complete or now underway across the portfolio. Not to mention the entirely reconcepted food and beverage outlets with innovative new socialization and gathering opportunities for groups, new technologies in place, new staffing models in many areas of our hotel. The list goes on. Our entertainment business is equally transformed. We've opened Ole Red in Orlando, broken ground on Ole Red in Las Vegas, closed the acquisition of Block 21, which brings Austin's iconic ACL Live at The Moody Theater into the fold.

To cap it all off, in June, we sold 30% of the entertainment business to the impressive team at Atairos, bringing NBCUniversal in the tent and valuing the business at over $1.4 billion. It's not a stretch by any means to say that our entire company has not simply recovered from the pandemic, but has undergone a complete transformation. Armed with our new understandings of our customers, both group and leisure, and all of the levers available to us now and in the future through our ongoing investments, and looking at the tremendous book of business we have on the books for all future years, I believe we're capable of delivering exceptional results well into the post-pandemic era. As Mark and Jen will report, notwithstanding the significant impact of Omicron in the Q1, by almost all measurements, 2022 was a record for us.

As you'll see from our guidance in 2023, more records are likely to follow. Needless to say, I'm truly excited for this next chapter of our company. It is a perfect moment for Mark to take over for me in the CEO role as I move to Executive Chairman. I'll now turn over to Mark to let him give you more details of the quarter and our results and how we're thinking about the coming year. Mark?

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Colin. Good morning, everyone. The Q4 was a terrific quarter for us. As our most leisure-focused quarter, we were really looking forward to having our signature ice show back after a two-year hiatus due to COVID and travel restrictions on our master carvers from China. We're happy to report this year's ice show surpassed our expectations, selling 1.2 million tickets or 115,000 more than the last time we presented ice in December of 2019. The renewed attraction of ice helped increase transient room nights above the Q4 of 2019, and transient ADR in the quarter was $317, a 43% increase over the Q4 of 2019. That's a record for the Gaylord brand, surpassing the Q3 of 2022 by $29.

On top of this holiday strength, group performed well, with group room nights traveling only 2.5% below the Q4 of 2019 levels, more than offset by group ADR up almost 10% over the same period. While our reported total occupancy was 3 points below the Q4 of 2019, when you consider the new 300 rooms at The Palms we added in 2020, our total room nights traveled were only 1% less than the Q4 of 2019. Hospitality margin in the Q4 was 31.1%, was 30 basis points less than our Q4 of 2019, but was flat to that period when excluding the decline in interest income on the Gaylord National bonds.

This is despite the inflationary pressures we're all aware of in the broader economy and an average wage rate increase of 24% across the portfolio compared to 2019. At the bottom line, our hospitality segment delivered $150.1 million of adjusted EBITDARE, which put the full year profitability of the segment $12.7 million above the high end of our last upwardly revised guidance range for 2022. The quarter was an all-time record for both total revenue and total adjusted EBITDARE for our hotel segment, and the month of December set the single month record for both metrics as well.

In what should be the last earnings call in which we use 2019 as a full year comparison, 2022 finished up 7.8% in hospitality revenue and 6.3% in hospitality adjusted EBITDARE compared to that last pre-pandemic year, even with the material impact of Omicron in the Q1. Just a tremendous holiday season to close out what proved to be a great recovery year throughout 2022. In terms of production, we booked over 1 million gross group room nights in the quarter, a 4.4% increase over the Q4 of 2021, and the average ADR of $254 on new bookings was 11% higher than the Q4 of 2021 and 13.3% higher than the Q4 of 2019.

New group rooms revenue booked in the quarter and in the month of December alone were both new quarterly and monthly sales records for the Gaylord brand. This level of production sets us up well for 2023 and beyond. On December 31, we entered this year with 49.8 net group occupancy points on the books for 2023, four points more than we entered 2022, and at an ADR of $222 or 5% higher than the start of 2022. This equates to over $53 million or 14.5% more net group rooms revenue on our books to start this year than we had 12 months ago to start 2022.

You will see in our guidance, which we are bringing back in full according to our past practice, that we translate this into an expectation for RevPAR growth this year of 9% to 12% and total RevPAR growth of 6.5% to 9.5% over full year 2022. In terms of profitability, while we expect inflation will remain elevated and higher margin attrition and cancellation fees will return to more normalized run rates, the transformation of our business, which Colin described, including efficiencies across management ranks, staffing models, technology, and food and beverage outlet strategy, among others, is expected to deliver stable to modestly improved margins compared to 2022 or in an adjusted EBITDARE range for the year of $550 to 580 million in our hospitality segment.

At the midpoint of $565 million, this represents over 10% growth from 2022. I'll remind you that the Q1 of this year will be by far the strongest in terms of percentage growth in RevPAR and total RevPAR simply due to the Omicron impact in the Q1 of 2022, creating a materially lower comp than the remaining three quarters. From an adjusted EBITDARE perspective, we anticipate quarterly contributions similar to 2019 on a percentage basis. Looking further, beyond 2023, we see a similar favorable setup for our hospitality business for the foreseeable future.

As of December 31st, once again, we have 9.6%, 6.8%, and 3% more net group rooms revenue on our books for T+2 through T+4 respectively, or 2024, 2025, and 2026 than we did one year ago. As we continue to add new production at increasingly healthy ADRs, such as we did in the Q4, we expect to see our rooms revenue pace for future years pull further ahead. We believe our 2023 guidance and our on the books position for our hospitality segment for future years plainly evidences Colin Reed's opening remarks about the transformation of our business from pre to post-pandemic and the relative performance capability of our assets against the broader industry.

To emphasize it, we believe these levels of operating and sales performance are made possible by our unique strategy and its attributes of strong customer loyalty, broad customer exposure with very little concentration in any one industry, high quality purpose-built assets fortified by high return recent capital investments, and all of this in some of the most attractive, rapidly growing markets in the U.S. Note that three of our five markets, Orlando, Nashville, and Dallas, were in the top seven large metro areas for population growth over the last five years, and also in the top five for job growth in 2022. Denver was not far behind them as well in the top 25 for both metrics.

It's no surprise that all four of these markets, Dallas, Orlando, Nashville, and Denver, were in the top 9 for hotel occupancy recovery in 2022 compared to 2019, according to STR. Against this backdrop of limited new supply growth in rapidly expanding markets, we see ample opportunities for our capital deployment strategy ahead of us. This includes over $69 million being spent right now to create an expansive indoor-outdoor group pavilion and to completely reimagine the Grand Lodge atrium at the Gaylord Rockies, increasing the volume of premium sellable group space and expanding food and beverage outlet selection and capacity. We see many more opportunities at the Rockies and elsewhere in the portfolio for additional rooms expansions, SoundWaves style water experiences, and more to continue differentiating our hotels, drive return group business, and attract high-spending leisure guests.

Turning to our entertainment segment, the Q4 performance of our same store assets compared to 2019 was equally impressive as our hotels. Same store revenue for the segment was up 35%, same store adjusted EBITDARE was up 62% compared to the Q4 of 2019. On a consolidated basis, including Block 21, which we acquired mid-year, adjusted EBITDARE of $26.1 million placed the full year results for entertainment just above the midpoint of our most recent guidance range. For 2023, we're looking forward to a full year contribution from the ACL Live at The Moody Theater and other Block 21 assets, we have a slate of value-enhancing investments lined up in Austin for both the theater and the W Austin Hotel.

We expect the acquisition plus steady growth in Nashville across, and across the Ole Red brand to help drive 2023 adjusted EBITDARE for this business to a range of $87 to 97 million for 2023. At the midpoint of $92 million, this is a full $30 million more than this business generated in 2019, but truly a significant transformation on par with our hotel segment. Now, let me turn it over to Jennifer to update you on our balance sheet, liquidity, dividend, and our consolidated guidance range.

Jennifer Hutcheson
EVP and CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, Mark. In the Q4, the company generated total revenue of $568.9 million, and net income to common shareholders of $58.1 million or $1.03 per fully diluted share. Once again that our fully diluted share count in the quarter and going forward will continue to reflect the put rights held by Atairos as part of their Opry Entertainment Group investment. Even though these rights are not yet exercisable, and we will also have the option to settle any rights exercised in cash. Any exercise of the put rights would also result in Atairos's 30% ownership in OEG reverting back to Ryman, so just keep this in mind when estimating future per share amounts.

Total consolidated adjusted EBITDARE for the Q4 of $168.1 million put our consolidated full-year results over $17 million above the high end of our most recent guidance. For 2023, in addition to the operating segment guidance provided by Mark, we're estimating for our corporate segment an adjusted EBITDARE loss of $29 to 32 million, which would be just slightly better than 2022 at the midpoint. This yields a total fully consolidated adjusted EBITDARE guidance range for the year of $605 to 648 million, a 12.7% increase at the midpoint over 2022, and a 22.7% increase over 2019.

We're estimating that adjusted funds from operations, or AFFO, for 2023 will be in the range of $392.5 to 424 million. At the midpoint, this represents a growth of 12.3% over 2022 and 14.5% over 2019 and reflects the increased interest cost of our current debt portfolio compared to 2019, as well as the pro rata reduction in AFFO attributable to Atairos' minority interest in OEG. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $334.2 million of unrestricted cash on hand, and our $700 million revolving credit facility remained undrawn.

Together with the undrawn $65 million revolving credit facility at Opry Entertainment Group, this yields almost $1.1 billion of available liquidity after deducting $10 million of outstanding letters of credit. We retained an additional $119 million of restricted cash available for certain FF&E projects and other designated uses. On a trailing 12-month basis, our net leverage ratio of total consolidated net debt to adjusted EBITDARE stood at 4.6 times. Based on the midpoint of our guidance, we anticipate we will end the year at approximately 4.1 times, which is below our year-end 2019 leverage and comfortably within our target range. We are pleased to declare a quarterly dividend this month of $0.75 per share, which is a substantial increase from our December declaration of $0.25 paid in January.

That December declaration was targeted to achieve our goal of paying a minimum of a 100% of REIT taxable income attributable to 2022. Our intention with the current declaration of $0.75 and subsequent dividends we may declare this year will remain to pay a minimum of 100% of REIT taxable income. Finally, in terms of interest rate exposure, as of quarter end, approximately 90% of our outstanding debt was at fixed rates, either directly or with the benefit of swaps. Although we do have two swaps expiring in 2023 on both the Gaylord Rockies term loan and our corporate Term Loan B. We will address the Rockies maturity this year, our only maturity in 2023, which carries 3 one-year extension options that are fully available to us.

We were pleased to have officially exited the cash sweep status of that loan based on the strong performance of the Gaylord Rockies property post-pandemic. Our balance sheet and liquidity are in excellent shape to support all of our investment activity that Mark outlined, while also sustaining a meaningful dividend once again. With that, I will turn it back over to Colin.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Jen. Chelsea, let's open up the lines for questions, please.

Operator

Yes, sir. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star and one keys on your touch tone phone. If at any time you have found that your question has been addressed, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two . Once again, that is star one to ask a question. Our first question will come from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Dori Kesten
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Thanks. Good morning. Can you walk through your expectations for cancellation and attrition fees this year? Just how it relates to your guidance. I'm just looking at the difference between RevPAR, total RevPAR, and then the 25 basis points of margin expansion.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Okay, Dori, thank you. Patrick, you gonna handle that?

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Sure. Hey, Dori, good morning. Last year, as you probably are aware, we generated about $57 million in collected cancellation and attrition fees. We would expect this year to be in the, I don't know, $20 to 25 million range, so a substantial reduction. We still have a few COVID cancellations that we're clearing out through the pipeline. For the most part, we will be returning back to a more normal level of attrition and cancellation as we move through this year.

Dori Kesten
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. What's your current view on an eventual expansion of the Rockies as? Are we able to get some guidance on potential timing or the cost of that?

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You wanna take that one, Mark?

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. I mean, Dori, that's an opportunity that's on our radar. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we're currently making a significant number of enhancements there, both adding incremental meeting space as well as completely... We're gonna completely reimagine that Grand Lodge, add significant amount of buyout space for groups as well as incremental food and beverage. Once we're done with that project, we'll then be, we'll have the capacity that if we do a rooms expansion, and when we do a rooms expansion, we'll have the food and beverage as well as the meeting space necessary to handle those incremental rooms.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. The other thing I would say, Dori, is that, you know, the last six months, we've been with our finger on the pulse looking at lead volumes, you know, by each hotel. I would say that we as a company have been pretty excited about what we're seeing on lead volumes, and particularly at the Rockies. I suspect that, you know, sometime during 2023, we should be talking more positively about rooms expansion there simply because this is one hell of a market, and we have by far the best convention hotel sitting in the middle of the country next to that airport. We're very excited about the prospects for that hotel. you know, we're just gonna monitor the next few months and then more communication on this subject.

Dori Kesten
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Bill Crow with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Bill Crow
Managing Director of Real Estate Research, Raymond James & Associates

Hey. Good morning. Congratulations on the quarter and the year. I'm gonna follow up a little bit on Dory's question on cancellation and attrition fees and the guidance for $20 million-$25 million in 2023. Should we anticipate that that's largely front-end loaded, given that you're still trying to deal with cancellations from a year ago or a year and a half ago? You know, as part of that, as we look at your guidance for the year, and we understand that Q1 is really easy based on Omicron last year, are you implying that that second half of the year is gonna be flattish from a RevPAR perspective, maybe even down a little bit from, you know, compared to last year?

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You wanna take it, Pat?

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. On the first question, you were asking about how we expect attrition cancellation to flow across the year. Honestly, given the length of time that it takes to communicate on these issues, I would expect it to be pretty evenly laid out across the year. If we said $25 million, you know, it should be $5 million a quarter, roughly at $20 million, $4 million a quarter. The second question was around the second half of the year. Mark, did you wanna take that?

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. I mean, Bill, generally, as you work your way through the year, it's the comps get, right, tougher and tougher. In 2019 or, in the Q4 of 2022, we essentially traveled the same number of room nights, as we did in 2019. You know, we're really back to more normalized, a normalized level. To your point, as you work your way through the year, you know, what the guidance indicates is that that comp gets tighter and tighter.

Bill Crow
Managing Director of Real Estate Research, Raymond James & Associates

Yeah. All right. Thanks. Then if I could just one more. Colin, you talked about how your pulse is on the, you know, the demand side of things. I'm just curious whether you're seeing anything in forward booking activity that, you know, might reflect some of the macro concerns and the layoffs we've seen over the past month or two, at least as it has to, you know, as it concerns corporate meetings.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. We really haven't seen that, in our lead volumes, Patrick. We just haven't.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. I would say that, you know, when the tech sector started to see some challenges, I think everyone kind of took a pause and got a little nervous, but I think they've realized that what's going on in tech is not necessarily the macro situation as much as some hangover from COVID and some of the actions taken by tech during that period of time. I would say that just even the past four or five weeks, we've seen meeting planners start to relax a little bit. You know, they're still a little gun shy, but the lead volumes are very promising in the year. Four of the year looks very good. We feel that recessionary fears are abating a bit among meeting planners.

Bill Crow
Managing Director of Real Estate Research, Raymond James & Associates

Great. I'll yield the floor. Thank you.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Patrick Scholes
Analyst, Truist Securities

Great. good morning, everyone.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Good morning.

Patrick Scholes
Analyst, Truist Securities

Good morning. How are you thinking about wage and benefit cost increases this year? Related to that, just overall operating cost increases year-over-year? Thank you.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Wanna take it, Patrick?

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. I mean, we are expecting to... Let me pull up to make sure I get the exact number. We are expecting there continue to be headwinds as it relates to average weight average wage rate increases. I would say that, you know, we're expecting somewhere in the 5% to 6% increase as we move through 2023, so not quite to the level that we've seen in the past two years, but continued headwinds there, and we're planning for that. If it's less than we are currently planning for, then, that will help us, but we're trying to be realistic and make sure that we take into account that it has been a challenging couple of years from a wage rate perspective.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Patrick, the one thing I'd say on margins is, you know, you'll know from our guidance that we're, you know, we're projecting some, you know, modest improvements in margin this year. You know, wage rates, obviously inflation, you know, the IMF, Marriott IMF, you know, being back in full force, you know, all those put pressure on margins. You know, on the other side of the ledger, you know, we have really nice ADR growth, particularly on the transient side. You know, we've been able to move F&B pricing. We've made some productivity gains. You know, if you look at while wage rates have increased, if you look at the wage margin, it's flat compared to 2019.

You know, as we've talked about on previous calls, you know, Patrick and his team have worked diligently with Marriott in terms of kind of rethinking how these hotels are staffed, particularly from a management perspective. When you look at management headcount, you know, we're running about 12% fewer supervisors and above in our hotels post-COVID than we were prior to the pandemic. There are a number of things that are on the plus side of the ledger to help offset that wage rate increase.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. I would only add that longer term, we're spending a lot of time looking at technology and understanding how we can deploy additional technology opportunities in the hotels, to further increase our productivity as well as guest satisfaction and bring our overall cost down.

Patrick Scholes
Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Thank you. I do have, just two follow-up questions. Number one, you know, how is The National looking for this year given that D.C. has been, certainly a slower market, to recover? Number two, any further thoughts about becoming, should we say, involved or with the Chula Vista, project? Thank you.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Gaylord National, we're pleased with the renovation work we've done there, the re-engineering of the food and beverage facilities there that has allowed us to eliminate costs in that hotel. We're generally very happy with the trajectory of that hotel, and we're actually seeing good lead volume too for Washington.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

What have I missed on that?

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

No, you haven't missed anything. I would agree completely. Gaylord National, not quite back to the level of room nights on the books that it saw in 2019, but moving back to that level quickly. you know, the D.C. market has been a little more challenged. I think we've been a bright spot in that market. To Colin's comments a moment ago, we've taken the opportunity over the past few years to address some structural cost issues that are really yielding themselves nicely. If you look at food and beverage performance, and how it compares to prior year and to 2019, you can see that there's definitely some bottom-line margin improvements that are occurring at that hotel, especially in food and beverage.

Continuing moving it up from an occupancy perspective, but rate has been a bright spot there, and we feel actually very good about where National is heading.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

The last part of your question is regarding Chula Vista. You know, Mark, I think our answer to your question is, there is nothing has changed since the last time we got asked that question back in December, which is that, you know, we at this stage have no desire to be an investor in that business.

Patrick Scholes
Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Thank you for the update.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thank you, Patrick.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Smedes Rose with Citi. Your line is open.

Smedes Rose
Director and Analyst, Citi

Hi. Thanks. I want to just go back a little bit to the group bookings that you have on deck for this year, and maybe just talk a little bit more about the composition of the groups. Are you seeing more corporate versus, you know, association type business? You know, is there any kind of piece of the business that's lagging or any kind of piece that's, like, fully recovered in your view?

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. I would say that, what we've seen as far as recovery has been most pronounced in technology, in medical, in areas like that. Corporate has come back roaring, and we're very pleased with what we see. From a mix perspective, I'm actually pulling up the actual numbers right now, so give me just a second. As we look at this next year, we are a little bit more heavily weighted towards our corporate, but it's pretty consistent with what we saw in 2023.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Consistent with what we saw in 2023, you said.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

I'm sorry, consistent with what we saw in 2022. Thank you for correcting me. I would say that in the year, for the year, is very promising from a corporate perspective. While we have a little bit more in corporate on the books as of right now, we would expect that to continue to improve as we move through 2023.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Smedes, the one thing to keep in mind, you know, when you look at the business on the books for 2023, about 3 quarters of that business was booked, you know, pre-2022. You know, as we roll forward 2023, 2024 into 2025, you're gonna see those older room nights burn off and newer room nights that are at these higher rates come on. You know, that will be a nice tailwind for our business from a rate perspective in the group segment.

Smedes Rose
Director and Analyst, Citi

Okay. Thank you. Then I'm sorry if you said this, but, what do you see capital spending for the year on the or, and maybe could you just line out the major projects that you're working on? You mentioned The Rockies.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You got that, Jen?

Jennifer Hutcheson
EVP and CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. We, as Mark mentioned, one of the bigger projects we have going on right now is at The Rockies. A couple of projects going on there with a new pavilion and the reimagining of the Grand Lodge and creating more usable group sellable space there, along with food and beverage. I think our estimate for capital is about $130 million this year, all in, including growth and maintenance, and that would include, you know, the contribution to FF&E reserves that are obviously linked to revenue. As those grow, those will continue to grow as well.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah. The only thing I would add to that is. You know, we talked about this in our prepared comments a few minutes ago. We're doing a lot of work around food and beverage. We continue to see food and beverage as a massive opportunity for our brand going forward. We're investing in our Old Hickory Steakhouse at Gaylord National and Gaylord Palms. We're renovating spaces at Gaylord Palms, like our Osceola Ballroom, which is 50,000 sq ft. From an ESG perspective, we've got a pretty sizable investment going into solar panels that we'll be putting on top of the convention center at Gaylord National.

it'll be one of the largest projects in the nation, and we think, a really, you know, bold statement as far as our priority on ESG and doing things that help the environment long term.

Jennifer Hutcheson
EVP and CFO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

On my part, let me clarify that number. I was off by $100 million. It's $230 million when you're including growth.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Smedes, on the entertainment side, Smedes, Ole Red Las Vegas is under construction, and then we are, you know, we're renovating W Austin as well as making some enhancements at The Theater in Austin, Texas. those two projects combined are probably going to be in the $50 to 60 million range this year.

Smedes Rose
Director and Analyst, Citi

Okay. Just one last question on Ole Red in Las Vegas. Is that the kind of venue where you can start, you know, pre-selling events at this point, you know, I guess to corporations or social stuff? Or is that not how that piece of the business works?

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

It's both. You know, in Las Vegas, where that building sits right on the strip in front of right across from the Bellagio Fountains, you know, there's 120,000 people a day walk by it. There's gonna be a lot of what, we call transient business in there. This facility is also we do a lot of corporate buyouts in our Ole Reds. As an example, here in Nashville, we do what? About four and a half million in revenue in corporate buyouts.

Smedes Rose
Director and Analyst, Citi

Correct.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

In Las Vegas, this is gonna be a, I think, a big part of that business. But, you know, we got to step back. Corporate buyout is sort of the icing on the cake, but we're doing this because we wanna capture those country lifestyle consumers that are in that market. That's why we've put it in that market, and I think it's gonna be extraordinarily successful.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Smees, to your question, you know, we're targeting a November opening in time for the Grand Prix. We already have interest in buyouts as it relates to that event. Of course, that's followed quickly by, you know, National Rodeo, which is in Las Vegas every December, and the Super Bowl is there in February next year. We're already fielding calls about those types of opportunities from corporations and other organizations.

Smedes Rose
Director and Analyst, Citi

Great. Well, thank you.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Smedes.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Chris Woronka
Senior Analyst, Hotel and Lodging REITs and Leisure, Deutsche Bank

Hey, good morning, guys, and congratulations on the quarter and also the year. I had a question as to in the year for the year pickup, mostly on the group side. Kind of what's implied in the guidance, and maybe you can give us a, you know, refresher on how in the year for the year tracked in 2022. Should we assume that, yeah, that's generally gonna be the higher rated kind of smaller corporate group meetings? Thanks.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

As far as how much...

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Chris, the specific figures there, we can follow up with you on that, as far as what we booked last year. Yeah, most of your in the year for the year is gonna be corporate focused type business. Every now and then, we get a larger piece of business, that is, you know, obviously welcome. Usually there's not pattern availability for it. We are very encouraged based on what we saw in 2022 and then our in the year for the year volumes, for lead volumes are very, very encouraging. I think I've got them right here. They're up. You know, at the end of the year, they were up 56%.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

On when-- on, uh, on 'twenty-one?

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. 56% over 2022.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Right.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah. As we look at in the year for the year lead volumes, we're very encouraged by what we see. Yes, that'll usually be smaller groups, but we'll follow up with you with the specific figures around exactly how much we booked last year and, you know, what we've built into our guidance for this year.

Chris Woronka
Senior Analyst, Hotel and Lodging REITs and Leisure, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thanks, Patrick. Might be a question for Colin. You know, as this entertainment business continues to grow and evolve, I mean, if, you know, I remember the days it was just a few assets in Nashville is still very important. How do we think about, you know, the key drivers of the business, Colin? I know you're involved. There's also the Circle TV piece that, you know, I think a lot of us, you know, sometimes struggle to, you know, to model it, frankly. Can you give us any thoughts on, you know, just what are the key drivers outside of some of the just purely the leisure assets? Thanks.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, I'm gonna sort of fly up to 65,000 feet on this. The growth opportunities in this business are almost unlimited. We've got so many different things that we're looking at. We're frankly just getting to it with our friends from Atairos Comcast NBC. You know, we're gonna work hard during the course of this year, identify new avenues of growth, where we probably will look at the, you know, physical venue side of the business, growth through additional physical venue side of the business, also on the digital distribution of content we create.

I'd say, you know, I don't, I don't think you're gonna see any sort of major changes to the structure of that business this year. You know, we're very excited about the growth avenue here. I would say, you know, I would say to our investors that love this part of the business, strap in. It's, you know, we're gonna have some fun with this business over the next 1 to 2 years.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Hey, Chris, it's Patrick. Let me follow up with you. I was able to kind of pull some numbers quickly. Our expectation is that we'll book around, you know, 14% to 15% of our group room night total for the year in the year for the year. How that compares to prior year is tough because of Omicron, because that's a net number. If you remember, Omicron was creating so many cancellations. I'll have to follow back up with you as far as once you take out the impact of Omicron in the Q1 of last year, what did our in the year, fourth year business actually look like? We'll follow up with you on that, but roughly 14% to 15% of what we expect to do for the total year in group should be booked in the year, fourth year.

Dany Asad
VP and Research Analyst, BofA Securities

Okay. All, all very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Jay Kornreich with SMBC. Your line is open.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC Nikko Securities America

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I guess first, just follow up on the entertainment piece and, you know, you talked about all the possibilities of growth and, you know, just the year-over-year growth seems to be, you know, more potential on that segment than maybe the hotel currently. I'm just curious, do you outline, you know, a potential percent of the overall portfolio you see the entertainment piece getting to or wanna get it to versus, you know, the roughly 10% pre-pandemic?

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You know, we really don't think of it, that way, Jay, in terms of its growth in relationship to hotels. You know, we really think about it as a separate opportunity, with a, with a very different set of, you know, of demand drivers, and capital opportunities. You know, the, the longer term aspiration for this business is to create, you know, a standalone, live entertainment and media business that really focuses on the country lifestyle consumer, helps promote country music, and engages with those consumers both, you know, in location-based entertainment opportunities as well as virtually. We don't, we don't think about it in.

The only really, the only way we think about it in relationship to the hotels is, you know, how we think about capital deployment from our perspective and then, you know, how it frankly, how it fits within the REIT structure, because we do have some limitations there. We're, you know, from a growth perspective, we're nowhere near those limitations at this stage.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC Nikko Securities America

Okay. Thanks for that perspective. Then just another question on the Gaylord Rockies that I guess if you look at the run rate, you know, Q3 this year, it was your top performing asset at 87% occupancy. For Q, it dropped down to 70%. I'm sure it's more of a group-oriented asset, but just curious if you can kind of run through kind of how you see that run rate in 2023 and some of the year-over-year growth at that asset.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

You wanna take that, Patrick?

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yeah, absolutely. You know, we think that Rockies is gonna continue to mature into its stabilized level. I would expect that we will see, you know, occupancies at that hotel in the mid-70s, which is consistent with what we would expect at Gaylord Opryland, Gaylord Palms, and Gaylord Texan. I would say 2023 is a great indication of what that hotel should be looking like from a stabilized performance level. From a margin perspective, we continue to... You know, it is a newer hotel that really kind of cut its teeth in the midst of the pandemic. We've identified additional opportunities to continue strengthening its margin performance. Colin and Mark both have alluded to some of the investments that are going in there.

While I think it'll truly be at a stabilized level consistent with what Palms, Texan, and Opryland perform at, in 2023, there's still additional upside given the investments we're making into the property.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

As we went into this year, Patrick, room nights on the books, we were pretty happy with where we sit for the Rockies and that should manifest itself into the translate into the performance for 2023.

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Yes, that's correct. To Colin's point, 2023 had more room nights on the books than we did at this time in 2019. The hotel is built very well for a solid performance in 2023.

Jay Kornreich
VP of REIT Equity Research, SMBC Nikko Securities America

Okay. Thanks very much for all that. Appreciate it.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yep. Okay. We'll do one more call and Chelsea. If we have another question, we'll take it.

Operator

Our last question will come from Dany Asad with Bank of America. Your line is open. Dany, please make sure that you're unmuted on your end.

Dany Asad
VP and Research Analyst, BofA Securities

Hi, guys. Sorry about that. Good morning, and thank you for sneaking me in. This just a two-parter. My first question is, in your RevPAR outlook of 9%-12%, can you help us parse out how much of it is occupancy growth and how much you're underwriting to come from rate? Then, just, you know, at a higher level, how do you guys feel about your ability to push rate on group? Not just, you know, for this upcoming year, but if we kind of look out further out to, you know, 2024 and 2025 and beyond. Thank you.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

As Mark pointed out, in his remarks, that so much of the rate for this year was predetermined last year, the year before and the year before that. One thing that we have been able to do over last year and the year before is for the business that we booked last year, we saw really good rate growth. That should translate into the, excuse me.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Spam, of course. That should translate into positive rate growth this year. We're actually very excited about what happens in 2024, 2025, 2026. We have been really pushing rate like no tomorrow with our friends at Marriott through the sales organization. Pat, do you wanna give a little bit more color on that?

Patrick Chaffin
EVP and COO (Hotels), Hotels

Sure. I mean, just at a very simple level, most of our RevPAR growth in 2023 is based off of occupancy growth versus 2022. To Colin's point, you know, the great growth that we've seen and what we've been able to book on the group side will really start to materialize and manifest for us in larger quantities as you get into 2024, 2025, and 2026. We've built in some continued transient rate growth. Honestly, every time we build that in, it comes back and surprises us in terms of what we're able to actually achieve, and I would expect the same on the end of year, fourth year on the group side. At a very basic level, the majority of our RevPAR growth in 2023 is based off of occupancy recovery.

Mark Fioravanti
President and CEO, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Yeah, Dany, as we mentioned earlier, you know, a lot of that is gonna happen in the Q1 off of, you know, off that Omicron comp, because we were only about 47 points in the Q1 of last year.

Colin Reed
Executive Chairman, Ryman Hospitality Properties

Any other questions from you, Dany? Okay. If there are no other questions, I'd like to thank everyone for being on the call this morning. We're very proud of the results that we accomplished as a company last year. We're very excited about the prospects for 23 and future years. If you have any follow-up questions, you know how to get hold of us. Thank you very much indeed. Operator, we're gonna close the lines. Thank you.

Operator

Yes, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's call, and we appreciate your participation. Please enjoy the rest of your day.

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