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M&A announcement

Nov 24, 2014

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Peter Hill. You may begin your conference.

Peter Hill
Investor Relations Officer, Kekst and Company

Good morning. Thank you for joining this call to discuss RenaissanceRe Holdings Limited's acquisition of Platinum Underwriters Holdings Limited. Earlier this morning, RenaissanceRe issued a press release with information regarding the transaction, and a slide presentation containing additional details to be addressed on this conference call has been posted to the investor information section of www.renre.com. There will be an audio replay of the call available from about noon Eastern Time today through midnight on December 14th. The replay can be accessed by dialing 855-859-2056 or 404-537-3406. The passcode you will need for both numbers is 38834873. Before we begin, I'm obliged to caution that today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially from those discussed. Additional information regarding the factors shaping these outcomes can be found in RenaissanceRe's SEC filings to which we direct you.

With us to discuss the transaction are RenaissanceRe executives Kevin O'Donnell, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jeff Kelly, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'd now like to turn the call over to Kevin. Kevin?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Thank you, Peter. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Early this morning, we announced the acquisition of Platinum Underwriters Holdings Limited, a fellow Bermuda-domiciled reinsurance company. We're excited about this deal and believe it enhances RenRe's competitive advantages and market position in the reinsurance space. For today, I will provide a high-level overview. Jeff Kelly will speak to the transaction structure and financial highlights, and I will finally go over why we believe this transaction is attractive for our shareholders. At a high level, we believe the transaction enhances our client and broker relationships by increasing our product offering and accelerating the growth of our onshore U.S. footprint. We're able to optimize the combined property cat book, given our modeling expertise and ability to allocate business across our various owned and third-party balance sheets.

Additionally, we expect a number of operational efficiencies and believe the deal will be accretive to shareholders. Finally, we believe that Platinum is a good fit for RenaissanceRe from a cultural and integration perspective. We have known the company for a number of years, and some of you will recall we were initial investors in Platinum's IPO in 2002. We provided consultancy services to them for a few years after that. Platinum is a well-run reinsurance company with operations based in Bermuda and the U.S. We believe Platinum has good risk management frameworks and practices in place and have managed their book well. With that high-level overview, I'll turn the call over to Jeff. Jeff?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, Kevin. I'll walk through some of the transaction economics in the discussion that follows. In doing so, I'll refer to the investor slide deck that we published on our website this morning, along with our transaction press release. Specifically, my comments will start on slide four of the investor deck. Total consideration for the transaction is $1.9 billion. Shareholders of Platinum will receive $76 per share, which equates to a September 30 price to book multiple of 1.3 times and a 24% premium to Friday's closing price. The transaction will be financed using a combination of cash and stock. The breakdown is approximately 60% cash and 40% stock. On slide five of that deck, we provide some details of the transaction consideration. For the equity component of the transaction, we anticipate issuing 7.5 million shares that will raise approximately $760 million.

The cash component of the transaction, which totals $911 million, will include three sources, which we include some details on slide five of the deck. On the top left of that slide, you can see first, Platinum will pay a $10 per share special dividend equal to $253 million to its shareholders prior to or at closing. Second, we currently plan to issue an incremental $300 million of senior notes. Finally, the remainder of the cash component amounting to $611 million will be paid from available funds at RenRe. On slide 17 of the deck, we include a pro forma balance sheet as of September 30th, 2014. Pro forma common equity of the combined entity will be $4.1 billion. Total investments in cash will total $9.4 billion following the transaction.

Our analysis indicates that we will maintain substantial financial strength and flexibility. The resulting debt leverage ratios remain at very reasonable levels. The combined entity will have $2 billion of gross premiums written. Of that amount, 56% of total premiums relate to the property cat, property reinsurance, and marine lines, 31% is specialty and casualty, and 13% relates to our Lloyd's business. We believe the transaction leverages the operating platforms we've built and provides an opportunity for some expense reductions. Our initial assumption for ongoing annual run rate expense saves is $30 million. We also anticipate we will incur implementation costs of $30 million in connection with the transaction. Our internal analysis also indicates that the transaction will be accretive to book value per share, earnings per share, and to operating return on equity.

As part of our due diligence process, we conducted in-depth internal and external third-party assessments of Platinum's reserves and reserving methodologies and believe the overall level to be adequate. As we've often said in the past, one of the important metrics with which we measure ourselves is growth in tangible book value per share plus accumulated dividends over the long term. We believe this transaction is an attractive way to deploy capital and should generate solid returns for our shareholders over time. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Kevin for some detailed comments.

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, Jeff. On slide seven of the deck, we outline our strategy to be the best underwriter in simple terms, striving to match the most desirable risk with the most efficient capital. This is a slide we have often shared with you. We attempt to do this by focusing on our three competitive advantages: superior customer relationships, superior risk selection, and superior capital management. This transaction fits well within this strategic framework. On slide eight, we provide an overview of Platinum, which I'm sure many of you are already familiar with. We believe Platinum is a well-run company that has managed its business in a disciplined manner over time. Turning to slides nine and 10, I will go over what we believe are the key benefits of this transaction to shareholders of RenaissanceRe.

First, we believe the combination of RenaissanceRe and Platinum benefits our clients and brokers, as we're able to offer an expanded suite of products, as well as grow our client base. As we have discussed on recent calls, we believe the reinsurance market is shifting. Companies that can deliver broader solutions to their clients will have an advantage. This transaction positions us well in terms of enhancing our strong client and broker relationships. In keeping with that theme, the transaction allows us to accelerate the growth of our U.S. onshore platform. Recall, we have been growing our specialty reinsurance platforms and capabilities since 2008, and most recently in the U.S. with the build-out of our onshore team. We believe that our enhanced market presence in the U.S. will further our reinsurance relationships with brokers and clients. As part of the transaction, we will take on Platinum's U.S.

operations that are located primarily in New York City, as well as a smaller regional office in Chicago. Thirdly, the deal allows us to optimize the combined property reinsurance portfolios. We have the expertise and technology to make the portfolio more efficient while utilizing our own and third-party balance sheets to improve overall returns. Pro forma for the deal, we anticipate property cat premiums will account for 50% of the total based on business written over the past 12 months. Fourth, we believe the transaction will bring with it a number of operating efficiencies. The combination of the two complementary books of business will reduce required capital on a combined basis. At the same time, we gain greater scale and the potential to take significant costs out of the system. As Jeff mentioned, we currently anticipate about $30 million of annual cost savings on an ongoing basis.

As a result of these benefits I laid out, we anticipate the deal is accretive to shareholders on various financial metrics, such as book value per share, earnings per share, and ROE. Finally, we believe the combination with Platinum makes integration easier due to a number of factors. Platinum's reinsurance-focused business is one that we understand well. We were able to easily understand and model their portfolios using our own platforms and the ReMS system. As I mentioned in my opening marks, we have a great degree of familiarity with Platinum's risk management and underwriting frameworks and many of its key individuals. We have some additional slides with more details on the subjects I discussed, and I would like to conclude my remarks on some thoughts around integration of the two companies. We value RenRe's culture highly.

As we have often said in the past, we believe it has been a key driver of our success and a key component of how we manage risk. Our culture will undoubtedly shift, but the core tenets of what has made us successful will persist, and our underwriting principles will not change. Our top priority during the integration process is to absorb the expertise of both underwriting teams and deliver seamless value to our clients and partners. As mentioned in our press release, our senior management and board will remain in place following the transaction. In conclusion, we are excited about this transaction. We look forward to serving our clients and brokers with a broader platform and set of relationships and a continued solid financial position. I know we have questions in the queue, and we will do our best to answer them.

As you can imagine, we have a pretty full day today. With that, I'll turn it over for questions.

Operator

As a reminder, in order to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from John O'Brien with Barclays. Your line is open.

John O'Brien
Analyst, Barclays

Hi. Good morning. My first question is, was the deal openly marketed, or was RenaissanceRe the only bidder? Also, was there any breakup fee agreed upon?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, John. This is Jeff Kelly. We were able to have a 30-day period of exclusivity in discussing the deal with Platinum, there is a breakup fee of $60 million.

John O'Brien
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, second question, maybe you could just touch on why RenRe feels the need to pursue or buy something to diversify versus growing organically, how you guys think about that.

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

This is Kevin. This is something that is just furthering the strategy that we have. All our organic initiatives will remain in place, we see Platinum as a good strategic fit to further enhance the things that we're already doing. I wouldn't see this as a shift or as a change in the things that we've done in the past. We remain committed to being the leader in the property cat market, we see that bringing Platinum on adds greater diversification and greater capital efficiency. The organic initiatives that we've been successful with since 2008 continue exactly as they were before the transaction.

John O'Brien
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, thank you, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Meredith with UBS. Your line is open.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Good morning. A couple quick questions here. Just first, if you could chat a little bit about the excess capital position. You talk about how it's going to be substantial here, post the transaction. Maybe kind of go a little bit more into that. Is there a reduction in the combined company's excess cap? Because I know Platinum and RenRe both had fairly substantial excess capital positions. How much is it being reduced? And then also on that, given the transactions going on right now, do you have to stop share buyback at this point?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, Brian. It's Jeff. I guess without quoting specific numbers about excess capital, as I said in my comments, while we anticipate after the close of the deal having a very significant amount of excess capital and liquidity as a combined entity. Obviously, in the combination of the two firms, there are capital efficiencies, and we are deploying some of those in utilizing cash in the transaction consideration. We think that is a good use of some of the combined company's excess capital, but we think pro forma, the company still remains very strongly capitalized.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

What about current share buyback program? Do you have to kind of suspend that while the transaction's going on?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Well, I just remind that through the first three quarters, through the earnings call, we had repurchased about $514 million. We're deploying $600 million of our own cash in this transaction. It is a lot of capital management in 2014/15. We'll just have to take a look at the capital position and all the other variables we look at in making decisions about share repurchases.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Got you. Last question. Any discussions with rating agencies so far as far as maintaining the A+ rating?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

We have had discussions with all three of the rating agencies, we actually contacted them midweek last week. They need to go through the processes that they need to go through, I think we have very good relationships with the rating agencies. We've agreed to provide them whatever information they need to make their ratings decisions. I would say at least from our perspective, the principal constraints around our capital are internal tests, and we remain very heavily capitalized versus those internal tests.

Brian Meredith
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thanks for the answers.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Sure.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Vinay Misquith with Evercore. Your line is open.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Hi. Good morning. You talked about $30 million worth of expense saves. I was just curious about whether you thought that there would be any leakage of business in the form of dis-synergies. How much of Platinum's property cat business do you plan to keep on your books instead of versus diversify away?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

We, doing due diligence, spent a lot of time looking at their book of business, and we feel confident that we can retain the portions of the book that we want to retain. With regard to the property cat business, that's going to be an evolving story as to how we bring that onto our platforms and how we share it with our third-party capital partners.

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

It will be treated once it's integrated, it'll be treated in exactly the same way as our book, where we're writing it on both RenaissanceRe's paper, and then we're taking companion lines on DaVinciRe. To the extent there's other sidecars or things introduced for some of the Platinum business is something that we will determine as we look more carefully as to what the customers need.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Sure. Just having more diversified premiums, would it help you to write more property cat premiums, just versus a standalone RenaissanceRe book?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Yeah, that's a great question. Not only does bringing this diversifying premium on add capital efficiencies and operating leverage to the platforms that we have. In our economic model, bringing on diversifying profit allows us to write more property cat. To be honest, with or without this transaction, we were not constrained to accept more property cat, and our appetite for property cat remains as strong as it was prior to the transaction, as it is after the transaction.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Okay, that's helpful. RenaissanceRe runs a zero tax rate. I believe there's a small tax at Platinum. Do you have a sense for what you plan to do in the future with the taxes?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

We do have a U.S. 953(d) balance sheet upon which we pay taxes. We'll look to consolidate our U.S. operations into balance sheets that make the most sense for us. I do think that we'll continue to try and manage that aspect of our business as cleanly as we can.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Sure. On the Platinum side, in terms of the management teams, do you have any plans to keep them in place right now? What are the retention terms that you've discussed?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Yeah. We're not buying just a book of business. We're buying Platinum, and we see a lot of value in their U.S. operations. At this point, we have an agreement for Liz Mitchell to stay on, who is the chief executive officer of the U.S. operations for Platinum, and we're thrilled to have her joining our team. Over the period of integration, we'll get to know the rest of her team in more detail, and we hope that many of them will become part of the RenaissanceRe franchise going forward.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Amit Kumar with Macquarie. Your line is open.

Amit Kumar
Analyst, Macquarie

Thanks. Good morning. Maybe a quick follow-up question. Is Michael Price staying, or is he going? Did I miss that on the last question?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Michael Price will not be joining the combined entity going forward.

Amit Kumar
Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. That's helpful. The other question I had was on the cost savings and the one-time cost. Can you expand on what is included in those numbers?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Sure. I would say, in starting with the one-time cost there are a lot of things in there. There are lease termination expenses, probably some software write-offs, things like that are always a part of any combination like that. I would say the dominant item there are compensation related in terms of either change of control payments or severance anticipated over the period of time through which companies are integrated. In terms of expense saves, similarly, we anticipate some expense saves from facilities and just reduced infrastructure, and there will be some cost saves that relate to duplicative positions around the company. In particular, those tend to be most heavily focused in areas in effectively running a public company.

Amit Kumar
Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. I guess the only other question I had was, and you mentioned the reserves in the opening remarks. How does their methodology in terms of loss reserving, how did that compare to your RenRe methodology?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Well, we think it compares quite closely. They have some different lines of business. They have a lot of long-term data that informs their reserving methodologies that in some cases is longer than ours. Overall, we did a lot of diligence in this area, hiring our own third-party advisor on reserves, and we came out very comfortable that the reserves are adequate as stated.

Amit Kumar
Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. That's all I have. Thanks for the answers and good luck for the future.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kai Pan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning. Thank you. Just first question is that when you look at this transaction and have you looked at other opportunities because given the change in the reinsurance marketplace, have you looked at opportunity, for example, getting closer to the end user, like acquiring a primary specialty insurance company?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

I actually think there has been a lot of discussion about getting closer to the customer, and I think that conversation is one that I would actually change slightly to be a conversation about disintermediation, where people are seeing capital come in at different parts of the chain, and they're seeing risk being matched with capital differently, both in property cat and in other lines of business than what is historically been done. It's our belief that as long as we're adding value between risk and capital, there's a role for us in any market. As this market changes, we are constantly focused on providing value in that.

As far as thinking about the move to primary, our view of that is really one of playing a valuable role in the changing capital structures that are supporting different types of risk and making sure you have a role to play in that. We've been a leader in third-party capital for many years, and we believe that this acquisition provides us with additional flexibility as to how to manage not only our own capital, but third-party capital as well.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. I remember on the last earnings call, you talked about your expertise in the specialty marketplace because that market is growing pretty quickly. What sort of expertise do you think the Platinum transaction will bring to the combined platform?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

As Jeff had mentioned, Platinum has managed this book of business as Platinum since their IPO. Much of the data and much of the business actually was transferred over to them, so they have very long-standing relationships. I think they have very strong claims frameworks. They have very strong audit frameworks, and they have a keen understanding of the type of risk that they're taking. I think bringing their expertise and bringing what's best about Platinum to RenaissanceRe more broadly is certainly a goal of ours during integration, and certainly bringing RenRe's culture and what is best about RenRe to Platinum's book is a goal of ours during integration.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Lastly, does this change your guidance for 2015?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, Kai. No, at this point, I don't think it'd be appropriate to change our guidance, and we'll update that on our first quarter call or our fourth quarter call that'll probably be in early February.

Kai Pan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Well, thank you so much and good luck.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Byrnes with Janney Capital. Your line is open.

Ryan Byrnes
Analyst, Janney Capital

Good morning, everybody. Platinum has seemed to do a business shift over the past couple of years, and this year in particular. It seems like from an underwriting side, the returns aren't as great, so they're shifting to more alternative and kind of hedge fund investments. Is that something that we should expect to continue as you guys take on that portfolio?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

No. I think we like the underwriting that Platinum has performed. We think they've done a good job managing their book of business. Bringing that business onto our platform because of the diversifying nature already enhances returns for the book on our platform compared to theirs. Our investment strategy will largely be consistent. We may see some shift in our duration just as we're looking at this being a longer tail book, but I wouldn't expect to see the shift to alternative investments that Platinum was contemplating.

Ryan Byrnes
Analyst, Janney Capital

Okay, great. My second one, or sorry, my last question is third-party capital opportunities. Would you guys look at doing it outside of, I guess, the core prop cat space now? I'm just trying to think, obviously, because Platinum gives you these other capabilities of more casualty and specialty lines. Is there a possibility there down the road for third-party capital opportunities?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Again, I think our expertise in third-party capital management has largely been focused around property cat, but we have strong relationships with lots of different capital providers. Different capital providers have expressed interest in different types of risk, and we are certainly open to managing Platinum's risk and our risk on both our platforms and on third-party platforms, similarly as we have done in property cat. For the time being, I would expect that most of the risk for Platinum on the casualty and specialty side, though, will reside on owned balance sheets.

Ryan Byrnes
Analyst, Janney Capital

Okay, great. Thanks for the color, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ian Gutterman with Valancy. Your line is open.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Hi, thank you. I guess my first question is the $611 million of Renaissance cash being used. Is it reasonable to say that's essentially your excess capital being deployed? Is that not the right way to think of it? Is that maybe using some of Platinum's excess capital too? Is that not even the right way to think about it and it's just cash?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks, Ian. Well, it is just cash, but I think you could say that it uses as a standalone company, that $600 million is a portion of what we think about as our excess capital.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Got it. Okay. Again, that's the excess from your balance sheet. Is it fair to think of the $10 dividend as using some of the excess capital that was existing on the Platinum balance sheet?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

I would say that is some of the excess capital on their balance sheet, but not all. I think in addition, as we've tried to convey, the combination itself, we believe creates excess capital by virtue of the diversification benefit that Kevin talked about and some anticipated third-party capital management of portions of the cat book. I think taken together, we think the deal is extremely capital efficient for us.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

No, that part makes sense. I was just trying to think through, I guess, back to Brian's question. As a starting point, you can do $600 million less of repurchase than you could have done otherwise, that's somewhat mitigated by the fact that there's excess capital created by the deal. Is that a fair conclusion?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

It is a fair conclusion.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Okay, great. Then on the accretion, it makes sense, obviously, with a lot of cash in the deal, it's going to be accretive. Can you give us a sense if you had done all stock, would this still be accretive to EPS and ROE?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

I think over time, we believe that the capital efficiencies that this deal creates would have allowed for that. We think the way the deal is structured is appropriate for both firms and utilizes the capital strength of both firms. It wouldn't have made sense to capitalize in an all-equity basis.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

No, sure. I was just thinking more of an opportunity cost situation as opposed to the reality. I think my last one was, I know it's early, but any sense of PGAAP adjustments? I guess, one, how much goodwill might be created? Then two, I could probably back into that, but just I know sometimes when companies have redundant reserves, you have to sort of take those day one, which will maybe take away from the future earnings power but accrete the book. Any rough sense of what that might be?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

I think the excess purchase price is $228 million. As we get closer to the close, we'll make an assessment of how much of that gets allocated to goodwill and how much to intangibles. It's probably not worthwhile speculating on that at this point. We have a view, but at the end of the day, that'll be something that gets decided as we near close.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Okay. On the reserve side, because obviously a lot of their earnings have come through reserve releases, I was wondering, is there a potential that a lot of that has to get capitalized and sort of lowers the pro forma earnings power of the standalone PTP?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Actually, can you repeat that? Sorry.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Well, just when you do the PGAAP adjustments on their reserves, might you have to sort of capitalize some of their reserve redundancy on a go-forward basis, they'll have less reserve releases in the combined entity than they would have standalone?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

I wouldn't want to make a judgment on that at this point, Ian.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate the call.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Sure. Just to clarify my comment, the $228 million is an estimate of the excess purchase price that actually gets decided at close, but it's our best guess based on 930 numbers.

Ian Gutterman
Analyst, Balyasny

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Frost with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Scott Frost
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hi, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to go over the ratings again here. I understand your comments. The agencies have to go through their exercises to evaluate. If I said that you believe that your pro forma financials indicate this transaction will be ratings neutral and that you're managing quantitative metrics to achieve that goal, would that be accurate?

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

One thing I would say is, just before Jeff comments, we manage not for the rating agencies. We manage to build what we think is the most optimal portfolios. In general, we look at our internal constraints as being the guiding constraints as to how we manage the business. Based on all the numbers that we're looking at, we feel that we're in a very strong capital position after this transaction. It wouldn't be accurate to say that our internal guidelines are to manage to a rating outcome.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Yeah.

Scott Frost
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, go ahead, sorry.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

I would just add to that, Scott. We think we have good relationships with the rating agencies. We are in discussions with them all the time, and I wouldn't want to speculate on how they will come down on this other than to say that we think on a pro forma basis, the combined company has a high degree of capital strength and flexibility, and it's consistent with how we've managed our business in the past. I wouldn't want to speculate on their actions. That's their business.

Scott Frost
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Understandable. Okay. Thank you.

Kevin O'Donnell
President and CEO, RenaissanceRe

Thanks.

Operator

Your final question comes from the line of Vinay Misquith with Evercore. Your line is open.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Hi. Sorry, just to follow up on the capital question once again. When you're thinking about $864 million of cash off the balance sheets of both the companies, which is pretty substantial. Curious as to whether, on a normalized basis, once the deal is done, can you buy back stock with 100% of earnings? Or will you need to hold back for a while until your capital position gets even stronger?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Well, Vinay, as we've tried to say in our discussions around share repurchases, we try not to forecast the dollar amount that we would look to buy in any specific period, because that isn't how we think about it. I don't think, at least at this point in time, and it is only a point in time because a lot can happen between now and close, but at this point in time, I don't think we would feel the need to build capital further to repurchase shares. I wouldn't think of us as being particularly constrained in that regard.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Sure. Right. From now until close, you can still buy back stock. Is that right? Or are you legally stopped from buying back stock?

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Well, I think we've deployed a lot of excess capital here in the last 12 months. I think we'll take stock of this. We'll work hard to get the transaction closed, and we'll make judgments between now and close on how we work out there.

Vinay Misquith
Analyst, Evercore

Okay, sure. Thank you very much.

Jeff Kelly
EVP and CFO, RenaissanceRe

Okay. Thank you everybody. Again, we're excited about the news today, and we thank you for your questions, and obviously our team is available to answer any other questions that you may have. Thank you.