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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 7, 2018

Speaker 1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q3 of 2018 Roku Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be provided at that time. And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to James Sandford, Head of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to Roku's financial results conference call for the Q3 ended September 30, 2018. I'm pleased to be joined on the call with Anthony Wood, Roku's Founder and CEO Steve Louden, our CFO and Scott Rosenberg, the GM of our Platform Business, who will be available for Q and A. Please be sure to review our shareholder letter, which contains much more detail than what we will The following discussion, including responses to your questions, reflects management's views as of today, November 7, 2018 only, and we do not undertake any obligation to update or revise this information. Some of the statements made on today's call are forward looking and are based on our current expectations, forecasts and assumptions and involve risks and uncertainties.

These statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding future performance of Roku, including expected financial results for the Q4 and full year 2018 and the future growth of our business. Our actual results may differ materially from those discussed on the call for a variety of reasons. Please refer to today's shareholder letter and the company's filings with the SEC for information about factors which could cause our actual results to differ materially from these forward looking statements. You will find reconciliations of our non GAAP measures to the most comparable measures discussed today in our shareholder letter, which posted on the company's Investor Relations website at ir.roku.com, and I encourage you to periodically visit our IR website for important content. Finally, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons on this call will be against our results for the comparable period of 2017.

Now I'd like to

Speaker 3

turn it over to Anthony. Thank you, James, and thanks, everyone, for joining today's call. We had another great quarter with outstanding results. The transition to streaming is creating huge opportunities for Roku. We are executing well and the fundamentals of our business are strong.

Cord cutting continues to alter the TV landscape. We believe the trend will accelerate as more consumers understand the choice and value that streaming offers And as traditional pay TV bundles shrink, more content will move to streaming. The scale of our customer base now rivals large traditional U. S. Cable and satellite companies.

And while they are losing video subscribers, we continue to grow quickly. And I am encouraged by the high level of engagement from our nearly 24,000,000 active accounts. In our shareholder letter, we set out a number of ways that OTT is a superior solution for advertisers. For example, this quarter we announced our measurement partner program. Our ability to demonstrate effectiveness is unlocking larger and larger budgets.

Already around 2 thirds of the Ad Age top 200 advertisers have worked with Roku. The Roku Channel celebrated its first Anniversary this quarter. We launched it only a year ago and we've made huge progress growing its reach and engagement and it's now a meaningful part of our advertising growth strategy. Roku has a unique position in the industry and we continue to execute well in a competitive marketplace. The opportunity before us is large And it's a great time to be in the streaming business.

Now I'll turn it over to Steve for a brief comments on our results and outlook. Thanks, Anthony. Our strong Q3 results have put us on track for another record year. Active account growth of 43% year over year and streaming hour growth of 63% year over year helped deliver another quarter above our outlook. Please see our shareholder letter for the full financial details from the quarter, but I'll highlight a few items and provide some color on Q4 outlook.

Total Q3 revenue increased 39% year over year to $173,400,000 with platform revenue up 74% to a milestone of $100,000,000 and representing 58% of total revenue. There are several key components to our platform business, And I'd highlight that video ad sales, the largest part of the platform, more than doubled year over year again this quarter. We also saw very strong results from the audience development business, which is closely linked to our content distribution business, since many of our content partners take advantage of our marketing tools to attract audiences to their services. Player revenue growth of 9% was ahead of the outlook we provided with another strong quarter from retail channels. Player units were up 15% year over year and ASPs were down 5% as we continue to see strong demand for sub $50 players, particularly our new 4 ks Premier Plus, which is priced at an incredible $49.99 at retail.

We tightened our Q4 revenue outlook slightly, but as a reminder, Q4 is seasonally our strongest quarter and is very back end loaded with the bulk of our revenues occurring between Black Friday and the end of the year. So Q4 is still heavily dependent on how the holidays stack up given the highly competitive retail environment. Our key financial performance metric is gross profit, which was up 58% year over year this quarter to a record 79,000,000 Gross margin was 45.6%, up 560 basis points year over year, Slightly ahead of expectations due to strong audience development and solid player gross profit upside in the quarter. Q4 is more promotional for players and the mix shift to video ad generally pulls platform margins down from Q3 levels. We expect to see that pattern again this quarter with platform gross margins down modestly sequentially and player gross profit dipping to lowtomid Single digit margins.

We are investing in a wide range of growth opportunities for 2019 and beyond, so So we continue to invest in attracting top talent to pursue them. OpEx in the quarter grew 57% to $90,700,000 driven by a combination of continued rapid headcount growth and significantly higher stock based comp and payroll taxes from stock option exercises. Adjusted EBITDA came in at a positive $2,000,000 in Q3, our first positive adjusted EBITDA Q3 ever and well ahead of our outlook as a result of higher revenue and gross profit. With that brief overview, let me turn to our outlook for the full year. Based on our strong performance year to date and what we know as of today about account growth, engagement and monetization trends, We are again raising our full year outlook.

Our updated full year outlook increases to 42% revenue growth and 63% gross profit growth at the midpoints, up from the prior growth rates of 40% 60%, respectively, when we provided outlook in August. As a reminder, we plan to reinvest gross profit upside back into R and D and sales and marketing to fuel continued growth and innovation, Managing the business to roughly breakeven EBITDA during this period of market expansion. However, based on the strength of the 1st three quarters of 2018, We expect to deliver between $21,000,000 $28,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA for the full year, up from our prior estimate of $11,000,000 to 23,000,000 For Q4, our outlook is for year over year revenue growth of 38% at the midpoint with player and platform revenue growth roughly in line with Q3 levels. Continued mix shift to video advertising and seasonality in player margins is reflected in our outlook for year over year total gross profit growth of roughly 41% at the midpoint. While we expect to report positive EBITDA margins of roughly 6% in Q4, Stock based comp is expected to increase to roughly $15,000,000 in the quarter as we see the full impact of RSU grants issued in Q3 to new and existing employees, which are expensed in the quarter that they are granted as they and as they vest.

We look forward to providing more color on 2019 when we report our full 2018 results in February. Given the strength of the fundamentals of our business and our leadership position, we continue to see plenty of opportunity to reinvest our business to achieve our long term growth potential. And with that, let's turn the call over for questions. Operator?

Speaker 1

Thank you. You may press the pound key. As well, we do ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up to allow all participants to ask their during response. Our first question comes from Mark Mahaney with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks. Two questions, one on the Roku channel and one on the Roku everywhere strategy. On the Roku channel, any comments on improvements in either pricing or ad load versus the last couple of quarters and just talk about the forward growth outlook for the Roku channel. And then on this Roku Everywhere Strategy, just talk about traction you've seen for it so far.

How do we think about how should we think about the materiality of that, maybe not near term, but over the course of the next year or 2. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 5

Hey, Mark. Scott Rosenberg here. Great question. Roku Channel continues to hit on all cylinders. We mentioned in the shareholder letter, it's a top 5 channel in terms of engagement.

It's grown faster than any channel in the history of the platform. It continues to be a very fertile area of investment for us in terms of Putting new content into it, we've added a bunch of news channels. More recently, we had a great night last night, for example, with the midterms, The events of news drive a lot of engagement. And so in general, we continue to put more wood behind that fire and drive the growth of The Roku Channel on platform. We think that value proposition of free has been proven strong on our platform By the growth of The Roku Channel, we do think that that proposition extends off Roku as well.

We don't have anything more to say about off Roku's plans at this But we do think we've demonstrated how powerful that pre proposition is with The Roku Channel.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark May with Citi. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Thanks. This is Zach on for Mark. First question, could you just provide us an update on some of your new initiatives that you announced last quarter, the Featured Free and The Roku Channel on the web, kind of how those are tracking relative to expectations? And then secondly, Last month, you announced a favorable ruling in Mexico, to resume the sale of our devices there. So, how should we be thinking about that opportunity?

And then kind of taking a more broader picture, just how should we think about international expansion opportunities as we head into 2019? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Hey, this is Anthony. I'll take the Mexico International question and then maybe Scott can talk a little bit about Feature free and TRC. Yes, we won just to recap, we've been Handcuffed in Mexico for a while. We won a court case, so now we're back in full force in Mexico. So we're happy about that.

And that That will help our Mexico business. In terms of international, the way we think about streaming is it's a global business. It's an international opportunity. We launched TRC in Canada. TCL just launched Roku TVs in Canada.

We're in other countries, but it is also a fact that most of our active accounts are U. S. Active accounts. The domestic market is a large market for us. And we believe there is a big opportunity internationally, but it's an area that we traditionally haven't focused on.

We are starting to focus on it, But we don't have anything new to announce there yet.

Speaker 5

Mark, with regards to your question About new things that we launched in the quarter, as you mentioned featured free, was a feature that we launched. This is yet another way, another cut for us on celebrating free across the platform. It's been quite popular as a means to drive Consumer awareness of free content that's available across the platform, just as is launching TRC on the web, On desktop, on Samsung, these are all part of our broader thesis, which is borne out In the last year of how important great free ad supported programming is for consumers. One other thing I'll mention about A new item in the quarter was we announced our measurement partner program, which is a partnership across 11 different research companies, Sort of a who's who in the measurement space from Nielsen Comscore, Oracle, Kantar placed, these are partnerships That in conjunction with our ad sales allow us to prove just how much more effective an ad placed on Roku is relative to traditional linear Television, it's really it's a signal of our confidence and our transparency improving to brands that they should be shifting their budgets So, OTT.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Laura Martin with Needham. Your line is now

Speaker 7

Hi, guys. Great numbers and thanks for another beat and raise quarter. So I was really intrigued. I really like the advertising section. I was really intrigued you said that you could measure effectiveness and return on investment of the ads, which has sort of been the Holy Grail, like you're combining digital and linear.

And I'm just wondering if you could give us any harder Either data points or just examples of that, because I don't really get how you can go end to end, which is the Holy Grail of what ROI is on your end. That's one. And then Anthony, for you, this hardware number is much better than we had in our estimates. And so I'd like to like put that into this bigger Is Amazon did it sort of shoot itself in the foot by only now being an Insignia Brands and Best Buy? And one of the reasons this hardware number over delivered player revenue is because you're basically is there a pivot going on towards Costco and Walmart Where you're over delivering this player revenue, do you see a mix shift where Amazon has hurt itself competitively

Speaker 5

Question about ad effectiveness and I'll share with you just a couple of stats before I get into some examples. So, 2 thirds of the top 200 national advertisers have spent with us, 7 of the top 10 brands, 8 of the top 10 auto brands, 4 of the top 6 Wireless Brands, we have made incredible progress in penetrating these accounts, convincing them The value proposition of spending in OTT and one of the best ways we do that is by bringing research to the table. In the last quarter, almost half of every ad impression that ran on our platform was associated with some sort of research study In which we were showing back to the brand the ROI of their investment with Roku. And because every ad that we serve On Roku can be measured on an individualized basis, we can tie out an ad exposure to a mid or bottom funnel KPI that an advertiser cares about. So just as an example, we mentioned it in the letter, but with Carnival We are able to directly correlate exposure to an ad on our platform with a visit to their website.

With Jack in the Box and a partnership with Place, which does location based measurement, we are able to prove that we drove 160,000 incremental visits Jack in the Box stores, restaurants and perhaps the most influential type of measurement that we're doing right now with TV We're leveraging our ACR data to be able to show to an advertiser who they reached through their traditional linear investment and More importantly, who they didn't reach and who they could be reaching if they were investing in OTT. So on a pre campaign basis, we give them an estimate The incremental TV viewers they can reach by spending with Roku and then on a post campaign basis, we prove it. And we've done Dozens of those types of incremental reach studies with brands like Dell, Home Depot, Panera, Amica, Duracell, It's one of the most attractive aspects for a TV advertising team when they're investing with us. Ultimately, what we think Helps us win in this space is providing a superior ad solution. We think the TV ad product that we're selling is the future of TV advertising.

Speaker 3

Hey, Laura, this is Anthony. Before I get on before I discuss hardware and the Best Buy for a second, I just want to add To the measurement and advertising question. We 10% of 18 to 34 year olds Watch their television on Roku. And so if you're an advertiser and you want to target a video ad at them, Roku is the place you have to go to reach them. But 10% of the budgets have not moved over to Roku yet or to streaming.

And the biggest Obstacle there is just the way advertisers are used to buying ads, just their traditional spending patterns. And so by using measurement And ROI analysis, we can help move that along by showing advertisers that this new way of advertising really, really works. And so 10% of viewers are on Roku in that demographic, but the budgets haven't moved yet, but they will. And it's just a question of time. In terms of your question on hardware and Best Buy, yes, player sales continue to do well.

Why is that? Well, I think it's a combination of factors. One is we build great product. Our focus on value, ease of use, content really pays off. For example, we recently won the CNET Editor's Choice Award for Roku Streaming 6 plus So that's one reason.

Another is streaming cord cutting is really I mean, traditional pay TV operators lost 1,000,000 Scribers in the quarter, 2,000,000 year to date, but 1,000,000 in the quarter alone, whereas Roku added 1,800,000 active account in Q3. So cord cutting is happening, people are streaming more and we make great products at a great value. Our business model is to grow our active accounts by licensing our Roku TV platform to TV companies and also selling players. We also work with operators. In terms of TVs, you mentioned Best Buy.

Best Buy signed this deal with Amazon, but We expect the number of Roku TVs to be sold at Best Buy this year to actually increase versus last year. So Best Buy is an important partner for us. We sell a lot of TVs there. The number of TVs we sell there is growing. And of course, we can our deals allow us So anywhere, not just the Best Buy.

So that's great. And then the result of all that is that 1 in 4 TVs so far sorry, 1 in 4 smart TVs Sold so far this year in the United States are Roku TV. So it's the business that's working well for us.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Maybe for Scott, if you look at the growth of the platform business, 75% This quarter expected for next quarter, what's the limiting factor for that growth? Because obviously, you guys are doing lots of things for advertisers that are that are unique and differentiated. Is it access to inventory?

Is it advertiser demand for inventory? Or is it hours? I'm just Curious, we think about the sort of levers of growth. What is the limiting factor to drive that faster?

Speaker 3

Hey, Ben, this is Steve. Let me just talk to you a little bit about overall platform trends, and the parts of that. And then Scott can add some color on top of that. So Yes. Q3 was a very strong quarter overall for the business and platform had great growth at 74% year over year.

Important to note that it hit a great milestone of of $100,000,000 in revenue for the quarter, which is the first time that's happened. And looking into platform, there are 3 major components: ads, content And so I think the most important takeaway of the growth trajectory there is that the ad business itself, which is the majority of platform, It has shown consistent strong growth throughout the year in each of the quarters year to date. The content distribution side and the licensing side Can be a bit more lumpy and where we've seen strong quarters in licensing in Q1 and a particularly strong quarter in content distribution in Q2, Yes. Those can vary each quarter depending on that. So overall, I think it's a great Trajectory for platform and especially the ad business?

Speaker 5

Ben, with regards to your question About limiters, we don't see a near term ceiling on our growth opportunity. The video ad business grew Over 100% year over year. As Anthony mentioned, if we have competition, it's It's really the traditional spending pattern of advertisers. It's traditional TV and basically consultatively coaching our clients to Move their spending to Roku. We've been very effective at showing them the ROI math that the last dollar that they put in the linear TV is Reaching a smaller and smaller base, and if they move that dollar to Roku, it's going to deliver much more reach and ROI.

Just I mean backing up more broadly and thinking about our advantages As an ad platform, the reason advertisers come to us in the first place is we're an at scale platform With the largest most engaged user base, it's a unique audience that can only be reached on Roku. We've got that Direct consumer relationship and all the data that flows from it, and ultimately it adds that work. The One of the themes of this call and in our letter is how much work we're doing on the research front to prove to our advertisers that their That delivers more effect than their other options for spending that money.

Speaker 3

This is Anthony. I'll just let me just say that Our platform business is fundamentally strong. It's well positioned and we're executing well. I mean, if you just think about it, big picture, There's $70,000,000,000 a year spent on TV advertising. Our platform business in the quarter was $100,000,000 There's a lot we're very proud of that, but there's a lot of room to grow that.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vasily Karasyov with Cannonball Research. Your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Thank you. I was wondering if you could provide some color. Scott, I think this question is for you. What is the retention rate or whatever is the right metric of how much repeat business you do with the advertisers? You cited very impressive list of clients there.

And what are the major hurdles that you have to get them over in order to spend more with you? And how do you Resolve those bottlenecks, you mentioned data, but is there a structural issue? The media buyers are unwilling To let their clients buy through you, so if you could give some color on that would be would appreciate that.

Speaker 5

Yes, it's a great question and it's part of our everyday operation as a team. We have extremely, extremely high Retention rates typically a relationship with us starts with a small test spend. And as I said, we aggressively package research With that first spend because of our confidence that that research is going to show high ROI, very quickly That rolls into multiples of spending from that brand. That said, while we've worked with 2 thirds of the top 200 There's another third out there and that's just in the top 200 list. So, I would say our focus is both on Renewal and importantly, expansion of current accounts as well as tapping into all the accounts that have not yet started So to work with us, all that both renewal and expansion as well as new account acquisition is driving 100% growth In our video ad business.

Speaker 9

All right. And the quick follow-up, you know Sling TV reported Subscriber ads that people were disappointed with, do you see any divergence in how Virtual MVPDs are performing on your platform.

Speaker 3

Hey, this is Anthony. MVPDs is a great category for us. They're a great way to get access to certain content, sports, for example, ESPN. All virtual MVPDs are growing on our platform. So it's a we can't talk about anyone in particular, but we Carry all of them, I believe, and it's a good business for us.

They are actively using the tools that we offer and the products we sell to help them build audience and expand their Engagement.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Helfstein

Speaker 10

with Oppenheimer. Your line

Speaker 1

is now open. Thanks. Niemr, your line is now open.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Two questions. First, can you talk about how the mix between ads and then content distribution impacted And then kind of particularly about supply and demand factors in the ad business, I. E. Supply Likely outstripping demand right now.

And then secondly, can you talk about how your participation in the upfront will impact Q4 in 2019, Dean, given that this is new versus last year and kind of how you strategically use that event? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Jason, it's Steve. I'll take the first part of that. So in terms of ARPU, ARPU along with all the other key operating metrics are on a great trajectory. ARPU was up over $17 on a TTM basis, up 37% year over year.

In terms of kind of the mix within that, Yes. As we mentioned in the letter and Scott mentioned earlier, the ad business continues to have strong consistent growth throughout the year, with video advertising notably more than doubling yet again year over year basis. So in terms of the mix, that continues to grow the mix there. As I mentioned on an answer earlier in the call, the content distribution side can bounce around depending on the quarter. And this is one of those quarters where we it bounced down on a relative growth basis.

But important to note that all parts of the platform business are growing Over time, so we're very happy with the trajectory there.

Speaker 5

Jason, with regards to your question about supply and demand, I'll talk about both our Audience Development and our brand advertising business, it depends on the time of the year and the growth of the business. There are times on the home screen when we're supply constrained because of the activity and the interest from our content partners in promoting on the But in general, most of that task is focused on optimization, optimizing what ad we're going to show to a user in order to drive the highest possible outcome. So I wouldn't say it's as much supply constrained as it is about an optimization problem. On the video Advertising side of the equation, the platform the ad opportunities on the platform continue to grow very aggressively. Ad supported viewership is our fastest growing segment.

The Roku Channel is growing very aggressively. Ad supported publishers on our platform who we partner with to monetize are growing aggressively. We generally are Worry less about supply and focus more on stoking more demand Along the lines what we've been talking about on this call is partnering with advertisers to show them the unduplicated incremental users that they could be reaching In OTT, that's a good setup for your question about upfronts. Our goal going into upfront discussions with Tysers was to engage them upfront literally as they're planning out their annual TV spending cycle And to show them what they needed to be spending in OTT to complete their TV reach We've been very effective at that and there are really two main results from those upfront discussions. One is significant increases In spending commitments from agencies and brands in that cycle, importantly, too, we've been asked because we're a leader in this And because of our scale and our reach and our toolset, like our ACR tools, we've been able to help them with that planning cycle, which Ultimately for us, there is a much deeper relationship with

Speaker 2

the buy side of this business.

Speaker 3

This is Anthony. Let me just I'll just add that, there's a lot of things we're working on to improve our platform, a lot of tactical things to make sure we're scaling correctly, A lot of things we do to grow our ad business, but really the fundamental limiter is this an ultimate I think indicator that it's going to be a large market is, so what's happening here is what happened in mobile. In other words, The viewers move first to new platforms and viewers move to mobile a few years before the ad dollars caught up, which they eventually did. And that's the same phenomenon we're seeing On OTT, where viewers are moving to stream, like I said, 10% of that key demographic, 18 to 34 year olds are now only reachable not just On streaming, but only on Roku. And the ad dollars are flowing over and that's growing fast, but it's going to take A little bit of time for it to completely move over.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Evan Wingren with KeyBanc Capital Markets, your line is now open.

Speaker 12

Thanks. And I joined a bit late, so apologies This is duplicative at all, but just wanted to ask about, The Roku Channel, expanding internationally. Just wanted to understand at this point What the gating factors are at all, if any, as you continue to expand it globally past Canada? And then on the content side, it seems like a lot of the incremental content that you're adding on the live side is around news. Just trying to understand If what the gating factor is similar are on additions of content in terms of how you're partnering with the media companies as well.

Thank you.

Speaker 3

This is Anthony. So in terms of international, I mean, Yes, we think there is a large international opportunity. We don't have anything new to announce there. I mean, I'm just repeating that our strategy for the Roku channel is to Continue to expand the amount of content that's available in the channel to expand the geographies that's available in, and In terms of content categories, so we started with movies, entertainment movies and TV shows. We continue to add deeper depth of movies and TV shows to the channel.

We then added news. We've continued to add more news partners. So for the midterms, we've focused on beefing up our news offering, which was a very successful strategy I mean, we're proud that we delivered broadcast quality live news services from a great set of partners for free to our customers. So that's been a good strategy for us. And we'll keep adding more categories, but we don't have any to announce today.

Speaker 1

Thank you. On telephone. Our next question comes from Scott McConnell with D. A. Davidson.

Your line is now open.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks for taking my question. So a question on tariffs. In the event the next round of tariffs is on everything out of China, what could you do to mitigate the risks, Maybe such as moving your manufacturing out of China or possibly negotiating manufacturer prices? Thanks.

Speaker 3

This is Anthony. So far, we haven't seen any with the tariffs that have been announced so far, We haven't seen any impact on our business. They don't apply to televisions or streaming players. We're monitoring the situation carefully, but we don't have anything other than

Speaker 13

Okay. And if I get one follow-up. So you shared your impressive market share gains for The Roku TV in the U. S. Smart TV market, any comments on how smart TV market shares gains are going in international markets?

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. So far, we've launched Roku TVs in the U. S, Canada and Mexico. They're doing well in all those markets. There's obviously a lot more countries in the world than those 3.

And like as we said The past, our goal is to keep expanding internationally, but we don't have any plans. I mean, I will say that I think, the same strategy we've used in the U. S. For TVs will also work Internationally, which is the focus on a purpose built Roku operating system sorry, a purpose built operating system for TVs specifically versus Supporting mobile operating system, that has some fundamental advantages that results in TVs that are cost less to build, that have a more TV optimized user interface, And they're just better TVs. And so we think that strategy will be effective internationally, but we don't have any specific plans yet.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ralph Sheckert with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon. First, can you maybe provide an update on the Samsung partnership, Give us a sense of how it's progressing versus your expectation. And then a follow-up question, Steve, I think in the remarks you talked about managing the business at roughly breakeven in 2019. As you look at 2018, you'll do about $25,000,000 in EBITDA. So just trying to get some more color on the 2019 comments and perhaps is it contemplated step up in spend?

Thank you.

Speaker 5

Hey, Ralph. Scott here. I don't have any specific updates on the Samsung partnership except the comment that It's early days. We do think this value proposition of great free ad supported programming Exports beyond our set of Roku devices and that's what drove us to write the Samsung partnership. It's also got And add relationship to it as well, but it's still early days for us in that relationship.

Speaker 3

Hey, Ralph, it's Steve. Just talking about some more color on 2019. So yes, correct. So as we've mentioned before, our plan is to continue To run the business at around adjusted EBITDA breakeven, that was our goal this year, and again in 2019. So we are our plan is that as we generate incremental gross profit that we're funneling that back into the business.

We're fortunate to have a great Set a road map for the business. We're the leading streaming TV platform in the U. S. And we're at the early days of a Passive shift over to OTT. And so we feel great about the opportunities for high ROI investments to continue to grow the platform, Improve engagement and drive up monetization over long term.

We'll have a lot more detail in the next call as we unveil more The VIC 2019 outlook, but I'll just point you on since you mentioned the expense side, a few things we mentioned today. We're continuing Higher grow and hire great talent, there is a trend based on our transition From private to public company of our stock based comp is increasing rapidly. And then as we mentioned, in last call, And it was in our Q is that we've also factored in our new headquarters building or set of buildings, our leases on that, which We'll phase in over 2019 2020. So those are some factors and we'll give you more detail on the next call.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from Richard Greenfield with BTIG. Your line is now open.

Speaker 14

Hi, it's Rich Greenfield. Just real quick on when I think about the cable operators, Anthony, you talked about how cord cutting obviously is accelerating. They're losing a lot of subs. There's been A lot of increased discussion, Charter kind of leading the way that they're looking. I think they signed a deal with Apple where they're looking at basically shipping or leasing out Apple boxes versus their own boxes on the Altice call, I asked them about it and they said they're open to working with 3rd parties instead of their own Altice One box.

If I go back in time, you are actually the 1st company to ever do that when you signed a deal with Time Warner Cable for one of their kind of IP based platforms. Just wondering as you think about kind of becoming the box that actually cable operators roll out, where are you? Is that a significant opportunity as

Speaker 10

we move into 2019 for Roku? I mean, you've got

Speaker 1

bigger market share than As

Speaker 14

we move into 2019 for Roku, I mean, you've got bigger market share than Apple. I'm just curious like how people or how the cable companies are thinking about Working with you versus Comcast, it sounds like is building their own version of a box. Where do you fit in all of that? And how big of an opportunity could that be

Speaker 3

If you're an operator and you're launching a streaming service, one of the things you quickly figure out Ori, even not just operators, but virtual MVPDs, other SVOD services, one of the things one of the first things they figure out is Consumers who use that service and watch it on TV through a streaming box versus just or streaming TV versus, say, just using a mobile device to access it or a laptop Have much higher engagement and higher retention. So it's a common promotion for a service For an operator to offer a discounted or free Roku player or other streaming device when a customer signs up for a cable When the customer sign end customer signs up for their service. So, and we often win those Those deals are usually competitive. The reason we often win are the usual reasons. We have a very low cost structure, So we often have an attractive price that they can purchase the boxes for.

Our products are incredibly simple to use. Our customers love them. They get great reviews. And in the streaming world, even from operators, it's a much more competitive Situation, so having a great stream player as part of the offer is important. And that's so the fundamentals that we focus on, Value, ease of use, content, just the great experience winning the reviews help us win those deals as well.

Speaker 14

Thanks very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And with that, I show no further questions. So I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Wood for some closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks. So I'd just like to close by reiterating how pleased we are with the quarter's results. We're making great strides in growing active accounts, engaging avid TV viewers and helping content publishers and brands reach them in efficient ways. I'm particularly excited about how quickly we are bringing innovations to market from the new Roku TV and player models for the holidays to Roku TV wireless Speakers, add measurement tools, enhancements to The Roku Channel and more. So thank you for your support and joining today's call, and I look forward to seeing you again next quarter.

Happy streaming.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may all disconnect. Have a wonderful day.

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