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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Oct 24, 2019

Speaker 1

Greetings, and welcome to the Reliance Steel and Aluminum Company Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Brenda Miyamoto,

Speaker 2

Investor Relations. Thank you. You may now begin. Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thanks to all of you for joining our conference call to discuss our Q3 2019 financial results.

I'm joined by Jim Hoffman, our President and CEO and Carla Lewis, our Senior Executive Vice President and CFO. Bill Sales, our Executive Vice President of Operations will also be available during the question and answer portion of this call. A recording of this call will be posted on the Investors section of our website at investor. Rsac.com. The press release and the information on this call may contain certain forward looking statements, which are based on a number of assumptions that are subject to change and involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties or other factors, which may not be under the company's control, which may cause the actual results, performance or achievement of the company to be materially different from the results, performance or other expectations implied by these forward looking statements.

These factors include, but are not limited to, those factors disclosed in the company's annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2018, under the caption Risk Factors and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The press release and the information on this call and herein. I will now turn the call over to Jim Hoffman, President and CEO of Reliance.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Brenda. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm very pleased to discuss our 2019 Q3 results with you today. But first, I would like to address safety and thank everyone for the progress we are making in this area. Safety remains our primary core value, and I applaud each of my Reliance colleagues for the relentless commitment to safety each and every moment, each and every day.

Turning to our financial performance in the Q3 2019. We continue to execute our strategy of focusing on high levels of customer service across diverse products and end markets with increasing levels of value added processing, which once again produced strong financial results. Demand was somewhat better than we anticipated, which along with outstanding performance by our managers in the field generated quarterly net sales of $2,690,000,000 and a gross profit margin of 30.3%. We believe our Q3 2019 financial results, including diluted earnings per share of $2.40 an increase of 18.2 percent year over year, further highlight our unique business model and improved earnings power as well as our increased resilience to fluctuations in metals pricing. Our shipments in the 3rd quarter were higher than we had anticipated, driven mainly by demand strength in nonresidential construction.

We also experienced an increase in shipments of stainless steel products, which we believe reflects a change in buying patterns due to increased nickel surcharges. While many of our businesses experienced the normal seasonal trend of lower shipping volumes compared to the Q2, the declines were generally less than in prior years. Our tons sold in Q3 of 2019 declined only 2% from the Q2 of 2019, significantly better than the industry decline of 3.7% as reported by the MSCI for the same period. We believe our industry leading performance is a testament to our key business model characteristics, including small order sizes on a when needed basis, often delivered within 24 hours. While demand surpassed our expectations, metal pricing for the Q3 was weaker than we anticipated.

Our average selling price per ton sold declined 5.1% compared to the Q2 of 2019, substantially exceeding our expectation of down 1.5 percent to 2.5%. At the time we provided 3rd quarter guidance, multiple mill price increases had been announced for certain carbon steel products. However, these increases did not hold and we ended the quarter with prices even lower than before the increases were announced. In addition, carbon steel scrap prices also declined during the quarter. Despite the fact that overall pricing conditions in the 3rd quarter were softer than anticipated, our proven business model, including our broad end market exposure, diverse product offerings, small order sizes and expensive value added processing capabilities and most importantly, consistent and reliable customer service help reduce the impact of declining prices on our financial results.

Our managers in the field are instrumental Our managers in the field are instrumental in our ability to maintain our industry leading gross profit margins throughout industry cycles. Although metal prices declined more than we had had anticipated, our managers' disciplined focus on a high quality, high margin business coupled with increased levels of value added processing enabled us to maintain a FIFO gross profit margin in line with the Q2 of 2019 at 28.8 percent. We continue to increase the amount and level of offerings and capabilities to do even more for our customers. Turning to market conditions in our key end markets. Demand in non residential construction, the largest end market we serve, was stronger than anticipated.

Contrary to normal seasonal trends, we experienced increased shipment volumes of carbon steel structural and tubing products in the Q3 of 2019 compared to the 2nd the automotive market, which we service mainly through our toll processing operations in the U. S. And Mexico remained strong in the Q3. The strength of underlying demand trends driven by increasing levels of aluminum content in vehicles, combined with our proactive investments in facilities and value added processing equipment, gives us confidence that our position in the automotive market will continue to improve. Following the completion of 150 1,000 square foot building expansion and installation of an and the addition of an aluminum We are also in the process of expanding 3 of our toll processing operations in Mexico to better support existing automotive activity in that region.

As such, we maintain our positive outlook for growth in our toll processing operations. Aerospace demand also remained healthy throughout the quarter with a continued solid order backlog and steady mill lead times. As a reminder, the majority of our sales into the aerospace market consist of heat treated aluminum products, mainly plate, as well as specialty stainless steel and titanium products. The 5% mill price increase on heat treated aluminum plate, which became effective in August and has full market support benefited our 3rd quarter sales into the aerospace market. Demand for common alloy aluminum sheet remained steady throughout the quarter.

However, common alloy aluminum sheet availability has been increasing from the tight levels experienced in the first half of the year, which has continued to pressure pricing into the 4th quarter. As I mentioned earlier, our stainless steel shipments increased during the quarter, which we believe was a result of customers pre buying activity in advance of increased nickel surcharges scheduled to take effect. Demand in heavy Demand in heavy industry, both agriculture and construction equipment weakened somewhat during the quarter. We expect activity to remain at similar levels in the near term. Demand for energy, which is mainly oil and natural gas has been slowing.

Despite production being up year to date with more efficient wells, drilling and completion activity has remained soft with declining counts. We anticipate continued low activity in this market for the remainder of 2019. Turning to capital allocation. We continue to efficiently and strategically allocate our cash generated by our strong cash flow from from operations. We recently increased our 2019 capital expenditure budget to 260,000,000 from our prior budget of $245,000,000 to help support our growth activities, better meet our customers' needs, improve the safety of our operations and enhance the working environment for our employees.

These capital investments include the addition of new innovative equipment and advanced technology as well as facility upgrades and expansions. As a part of our growth initiatives, we continue to identify new opportunities to expand our value added processing capabilities to promote margin expansion and drive greater we continue to look for targets that meet our strict criteria of high quality business with experienced management teams and superior levels of customer service. Acquisitions must also complement our product and end market diversification strategy and be immediately accretive to our earnings. Through our capital return activities, we've continued to pay our regularly quarterly dividend as we have done now for 60 consecutive years. Before I conclude, I'd like to highlight a few recent changes we've made to our Board of Directors this past month.

On October 3, we welcomed Lisa Baldwin as a new independent director. Lisa brings a wealth of knowledge and experience in information technologies, having served as the Chief Information Officer at Tiffany and Company since 2013. We believe Lisa's nearly 25 years of extensive IT experience will benefit Reliance as we continue to implement innovative technologies that empower our business. Additionally, following Greg Mullen's retirement as Chief Executive Officer of Reliance at the end of the year, Greg officially stepped down from the Board of Directors earlier this week. As part of a deliberate long term succession plan, I was appointed to the Board concurrent with Greg's retirement.

On behalf of the entire team here at Reliance, I'd like to acknowledge and thank Greg for more than 25 years of service on the board and for his dedication to Reliance. In summary, we are proud of our 3rd quarter results, which adjust to our strong strategy of focusing on high quality, high margin business and our long standing commitment to being responsible and efficient stewards of capital. During a period of declining metal prices that were steeper than we anticipated, our proven business strategy helped us generate a strong gross profit margin, which translated to growth in our earnings per share despite our sales being down year over year. I'd like to once again thank our managers in the field for their excellent execution and pricing discipline. Looking ahead, we will maintain our focus on maximizing earnings and delivering long term shareholder value.

Thank you for your attention today. I will now turn the call over to Carla to review our Q3 financial results and Q4 2019 outlook in more detail.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Net sales in the Q3 of 2019 decreased 6.9% from the Q2 of 2019, mainly due to lower shipments from normal seasonality trends along with continued downward pricing pressure. Our tons sold decreased 2% compared to the Q2 of 2019, which was better than our expectation of down 4% to 6%, primarily due to stronger demand in non residential construction. Our average selling price per ton sold was down 5.1% compared to the Q2 of 2019, outside of our expected range of down 1.5% to 2.5% due to overall weaker pricing fundamentals for many of the products we sell, in particular, certain carbon steel products whose price is dependent upon scrap costs. As Jim highlighted, our gross profit margin for the Q3 of 2019 was 30.3%, above our estimated sustainable range of 27% to 29%.

This is a direct result of the outstanding performance by our managers in the field who continue to maintain pricing discipline by focusing on higher margin orders and providing more value to our customers through our ongoing investments in value added processing equipment. In addition, our use of the LIFO inventory valuation method reduces the volatility of our gross profit margin and earnings resulting from fluctuating metal costs. Since metal prices decreased more than we expected in the Q3 of 2019, we have increased our estimated full year LIFO income to $100,000,000 from our previous estimate of $70,000,000 As a result, we recorded LIFO income of $40,000,000 or $0.44 of earnings per diluted share in the Q3 of 2019 compared to LIFO income of $22,500,000 or $0.25 of earnings per share in the Q2 of 20 19. And given our current estimate of $100,000,000 of annual LIFO income in 2019, we expect to record $25,000,000 of LIFO income in the Q4 2019. If you recall, we recorded LIFO expense of $271,800,000 in the full year 2018 when metal prices were rising.

This increased our LIFO reserve to $293,600,000 as of December 31, 2018. As we explained at the time, this reserve will decrease as metal prices decline, which has been the case so far in 2019. This has created LIFO income that has increased our gross profit margin and earnings in each of the 1st 3 quarters of 2019. With our current estimate of $100,000,000 of LIFO income in 2019, our LIFO reserve at year end is expected to be $193,600,000 which will remain available to support our gross profit margin in earnings and earnings in 2020 beyond if metal prices continue to decrease from 2019 year end levels. Our 3rd quarter SG and A expenses of $518,700,000 declined 12,700,000 dollars from the Q2 of 2019 with our headcount decreasing by 2.8% on a 2% reduction in tons sold.

Employee related costs represent approximately 60% to 65% of our SG and A expenses and this headcount reduction reflects our continued focus on expense control and our ability to respond quickly to market conditions. Our effective income tax rate for the 3rd quarter was 25%, up from 22 point 9% in the Q3 of 2018. We expect our effective tax rate for the full year of 20 19 to be approximately 25%, up from our full year 2018 tax rate of 24.5%, primarily due to increased state income taxes. Net income attributable to Reliance for the Q3 of 2019 was $162,700,000 or $2.40 per diluted share compared to $148,300,000 or 2 point dollars impairment and restructuring charge. Our non GAAP earnings per diluted share were 2.39 dollars in the Q3 of 2019 compared to $2.42 in the Q3 of 2018.

A reconciliation of our non GAAP earnings per share can be found in our earnings release issued earlier today. Also, please note that our guidance range for non GAAP earnings per share of $1.90 to $2 in the Q3 of 2019 assumed LIFO income would contribute $0.19 per share. This would have resulted in $2.15 of earnings per diluted share, well above the top end of our guidance range. The increase of our annual LIFO income estimate to $100,000,000 resulted in an additional 0 point earnings per share, bringing our reported earnings per share to $2.40 Our Q3 2019 earnings per share also benefited by $0.18 per share compared to the Q3 of 2018 due to fewer shares outstanding as a result of our record share repurchases in 2018. And turning to our balance sheet and cash flow, we generated strong cash flow from operations of $490,900,000 during the Q3 of 2019 and $954,100,000 for the 1st 9 months of 2019 with a focused reduction of inventory levels.

We invested $58,900,000 in capital expenditures and paid regular cash dividends of $36,800,000 to our stockholders in the Q3 of 2019. In addition, we paid down 367,500,000 dollars of our outstanding debt during the quarter. At September 30, 2019, we had $1,650,000,000 of total outstanding debt and $1,050,000,000 available on our $1,500,000,000 credit facility, resulting in a net debt to total capital ratio of 22.6%. And we are very well positioned to continue executing on all of our capital allocation strategies going forward. Turning to our outlook, we remain optimistic about business conditions in the Q4 of 2019.

We expect that end demand will remain relatively steady, excluding the impact of normal seasonal patterns, which generally includes a decline in shipping volume due to customer holiday related closures and fewer shipping days compared to the Q3. As a result, we estimate our tons sold in the Q4 of 20 19 will be down 4% to 7% compared to the Q3 of 2019. We also expect that overall metals pricing will remain near current levels, which we estimate to result in our average selling price in the Q4 of 2019 declining 2% to 3% compared to the Q3 of 2019. Accordingly, we currently expect non GAAP earnings per diluted share to be in the range of $0.60 to $1.70 for the Q4 of 2019. In closing, we are very pleased with our Q3 2019 financial results, which exceeded our expectations.

Excellent execution of our strategic focus on high levels of customer service across diverse products and end markets by all of our employees in the Reliance family of companies resulted in yet another quarter of strong earnings and significant cash flow supporting our growth and stockholder return priorities. That concludes our prepared remarks. Thank you for your attention. And at this time, we would like to open the call up to questions. Operator?

Speaker 1

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from the line of Martin Englert with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning everyone.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 5

So the better than expected volumes were encouraging on the quarter. Based on what you're seeing today, were encouraging on the quarter. Based on what you're seeing today with activity also speaking with your customers regarding their outlooks, Would you expect that by the time we get into early 2020, we're going to start to see positive volume growth year on year?

Speaker 3

Yes, Martin, this is Jim. We certainly hope so. Again, our customer base, they're doing just fine. We had a better than expected Q3. And the Q4, as you can see in our guidance, reflects a seasonal traditional kind of downturn, but we also have some tailwind.

Non res construction was nice, bit of a surprise, but not really. There were some we knew some good things going on out there and we anticipate good things to continue in the Q4. So by the time next year hits, it's kind of interesting how things work out. Usually the Q1 and the Q2 are Reliance's strongest quarter. So I anticipate that happening again in 2020.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for the detail there. And then also, one thing stuck out on the volume categories there on the other volume category that's kind of implied outside of the categorized volumes stepped up, I believe, notably quarter on quarter. Could you talk about maybe what's in that mix? What was driving that and kind of how you would expect that to trend moving forward?

Speaker 4

And quarter on quarter, are you talking Q2 to Q3 of 2019 or Q3 2018 to Q3 2019?

Speaker 5

The sequential of 2019, correct, 2% to 3%.

Speaker 4

Yes. So in that category, a lot of what's in there are fabricated products, so to speak, and some of our higher end value add. Also in there, a big component are our scrap sales. When Reliance produces scrap, we also were able to have that recycled. So all of those scrap sales go into the category.

But really strength within our fabricated products, we've continued to grow that. Some of the smaller acquisitions we've completed over the last year or 2, has grown that not necessarily Q2 to Q3, but that has been growing our other sales. Also in there, we have brass, copper, miscellaneous other products, our perforated metal products, we consider fab. So just kind of a mix of everything other really than what we have in there. But I think our focus on the value add and higher levels of value added processing are the main drivers in there.

Okay. Thanks for the

Speaker 5

What would prompt you to increase your sustainable LIFO gross margin range? What would prompt you to increase your sustainable LIFO gross margin range? I mean we've seen pretty solid results trending here for a while. Maybe when could we expect that or what I guess indicators are you looking at before you would revise that higher?

Speaker 3

One of these days I'm going to wake up and feel like we should do that. Right now, we're concerned. It took us a while to kind of feel the trend is more than just a trend. That's something we did. It's sustainable.

So we're looking at that. We are looking at that and we're going to continue to drive our model of more and more and more value added. And also our customers keep asking us to do more and more. So those things continue to do so and we feel good about it. We'll be the first ones to know.

Speaker 4

We anticipated that comment probably by someone on the call today. And I think we've said over a longer term based on what we're seeing, like Jim said, we expect to continue to grow the value add we're doing. With that, we expect to incrementally raise that range, but we're not ready to do so today.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Korn with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi. This is Hunter Allee from Goldman Sachs on for Matthew Korn. Just a quick one for me. So shipments came in much better than you've all expected and I know you discussed it a little bit in your prepared remarks. But could you please elaborate a little bit more on what end market surprised you most?

And is there anything specific in the market that you're seeing that is driving this?

Speaker 3

We mentioned a non res construction. We knew there was a little tailwind. If you remember back in the Q2, there were some weather concerns across the North America. And we there's some, let's just call it, pent up kind of demand orders that were on the books or we weren't able to get to or weren't able to ship. There was some steel kind of stuck in swollen rivers and what have you.

So we knew there was going to be a little bit of that. So I think that's what we saw. And I'm not I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't continue in the Q4, but those would be the ones that we would really point to. Of course, our automotive that continues to be strong even though the GM strike I think still continues. I'm trying to ratify here.

Soon, that affected us towards the end of the quarter more than it did in the first of the quarter. But so now you have some pent up demand there too. So we'll see how that all plays out. But non res was a bit of a surprise, but not a huge surprise.

Speaker 4

And I think to that point to Jim's point that non res wasn't as much of a surprise because a bit of it was timing. So our Q2 tons, while they were strong and they were good, I think we're not quite as strong as we've seen from prior years. So the decline coming into Q3 wasn't as much.

Speaker 3

And don't forget about aerospace. That's a good one for us. That's a good one, remains good. Backlogs are nice. The prices are going up.

They all should be going up in my opinion, but those are going up in holding. So that's a good market for us as well.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then regarding the non residential, I mean, is there any particular region or any particular project that you're seeing that's driving that

Speaker 3

shrink? It's kind of all over the map, strong, storm west, northeast has been doing well for a long period of time, Southeast doing quite well. As far as the projects themselves, kind of the usual suspects. We're not the ones that get the big 40, 50 storey high rise that goes more direct mail. Our sweet spot is kind of institutional type businesses, if you will, dormitories at universities, what have you, assisted living facilities, which helps demographics will continue to drive that number up.

So those kinds, the big campus type projects that had been around for the last couple of years, there's still some of those that we're involved in. And but it's kind of across the map. But again, really, we're our sweet spot is our sweet spot, and that happens to be good right now and has been good for the last couple of years.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you. That's all for me and congratulations on the strong quarter.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Thanks so

Speaker 1

much. Our next question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 3

Hey, Phil.

Speaker 7

I know restructuring and cutting costs are always hard. I think Carly, you mentioned that there were some of that in the Q3. Where was that specifically targeted at in terms of the end markets of the business?

Speaker 3

Well, Phil, you know our company. We run our company day to day, week to week, month to And when we see weakness and we think that the weakness is going to continue, we just do the right things. We look at our headcount, we look at our expenses. And if we think it's going to be continue to be weak, we'll we call it rightsizing, whether it's in headcount or inventory control or whatever, it's the same thing we've been doing for a long period of time. We're very disciplined when it comes to that.

We could go through every market. Energy has been tough and what we think will remain a little tough. So there were some cuts there. Or we have strong business, we probably added. We're always continuing to invest in innovation.

And so IT type things, those may be going up a little bit. But it's just kind of company by company, market by market. And I can't tell you exactly where they all are, but we'll continue to look at that. We always do that. Even when all the even when business is good, we look for ways to be more efficient and provide better value for our investors.

Speaker 4

Yes. And it wasn't a new directive the Q3, Phil. Certainly, we're in location, sometimes geographic, sometimes the den market. We just try to keep our expenses in line with our shipment volumes and our profitability levels. But just because we didn't call out any reductions in Q2 or Q1, at each of our individual businesses, as Jim said, kind of day to day, week to week, they're rightsizing.

So there has been both headcount and hiring activity in all quarters. It was just a little more significant this quarter and we commented on it.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you for that. And then in terms of the CapEx budget for this year, I think last comment was maybe $245,000,000 that looks like it's going to be the case again based on your trends to date. Should we expect another strong growth CapEx budget in 2020, just given the continued migration of the business and the capabilities?

Speaker 3

Yes. We have a good thing going, Phil. We've got a good model. It works. We're going to continue to invest where we think is the right place to invest.

The new technology is out there. It's expensive and we've got the money to do it. We'll continue to listen to our customers. Our customers are going to continue to ask us to do more and more in the innovative equipment that's available. It's really, really great stuff.

So we'll continue to invest there. There's always some you got to figure, there's always $90,000,000 $100,000,000 a year on just what we call maintenance, but it's really not. It's just maintaining what we have. But even maintaining the equipment we have, it's all higher quality equipment and then we can actually raise our margins because we have tighter tolerances on. So, it will be that money.

We're a company that likes to own the businesses we operate out of. We'll continue to buy some buildings that we don't own. Sometimes when you do an acquisition, the family likes to hold on to some real estate for a period of time. And once it comes clear, we jump in and invest in that. My guess is as our business continues to grow and our model continues to do well that we'll expand and have a lot of internal growth, which is my favorite kind of growth.

We can control that. And yes, so it's my guess is we'll continue to spend, maybe not at that 245, 260 level, but we'll see.

Speaker 4

And just to clarify, Phil, in Jim's comments in his script, he mentioned that we just increased the 2019 year. We typically build our CapEx budget once a the year. We typically build our CapEx budget once a year. We're in the process of doing that right now. So when we talk to you guys again in February, we'll be able to give you a better number on what our 2020 budget will be.

Speaker 7

Appreciate that. I think I missed it. And specifically to the semiconductor market, I know it's been weak. It's a very high margin business for you. So interestingly, you're putting up very good numbers without a tailwind there.

Any thoughts on that market right now and if and when it stabilizes?

Speaker 8

Yes. Hey, Bill, it's Bill. Hey, Bill. As we said, semiconductor still remains soft. We're looking for some kind of rebound as we get into next year.

It seems like we slide the window a little bit. We were thinking maybe Q1 next year. We probably push that out maybe till mid year next year where we start to see some rebound in that business, but we know it will come back. And so while it's not doing as well as it had been doing, it's still doing pretty well for us. And we look forward to that recovery timeframe and we'll be well positioned for that.

Speaker 3

And Phil, just to add on that, I think that and you know this, it speaks to the strength of our model. We can't have a whole industry that's down or slower or slowing and continue to grow value in our stock. And that certainly is one that's been down for a couple of quarters now and energy has been down a little bit, but we have a lot of other markets and a lot of other products that are doing quite well.

Speaker 7

Thanks. Just interesting to note that your gross margins were solid and stable and expanded a little bit on a LIFO and Granger's and Fastenal fell. So interesting.

Speaker 3

That's pretty good mojo, isn't it, Phil?

Speaker 7

Mojo's rising.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from the line of Seth Rosenfeld with Exane. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hi. Thank you for taking the questions. I have a couple first on construction and moving over to just broader industry inventory levels. With regard to construction, I think you referenced in the past Reliance having pretty significant excess capacity in construction related distribution and processing. With demand picking up, what upside could we see from your construction shipments with existing capacity before further investments might be needed?

Is there any impact we should expect from that historically laggard assets? I'll start there, please.

Speaker 4

Yes. Hey, Seth, and I apologize, it was kind of hard to hear the beginning that we've talked about before. And even with shipment volumes being up a bit, we still have a pretty substantial amount of additional capacity where we could run volume through. We've talked in prior quarters about the fact that over the last probably 8 ish years now, we've been continuing to invest in additional value added processing equipment in those businesses. So we're doing well in those businesses on the volumes that are going through.

But we're probably, in most of those non res businesses, we're probably still down volume wise on average for the year of 20%. So we still have a pretty decent amount of additional volume that we could leverage our current fixed cost structure.

Speaker 9

And then more generally for the industry at large, we've obviously seen a very aggressive year of destocking for peers across service centers and

Speaker 3

and it's contributed to your working

Speaker 9

capital release in Q3 as well. Looking across the marketplace, do you see some of your competitors sitting on essentially unsustainably low inventories that need to be replenished? Or are we at a new sustainable level? If it's a former, are you gaining share from these peers who have aggressively cut perhaps too aggressively cut their inventories? And then lastly, any comment on working capital expectations into year end?

Thank you.

Speaker 3

I'll handle the first part. As far as our competitor, we don't spend a whole lot of time worrying about what our competitors do. We worry about what our customers are doing. We worry about what our suppliers are doing. As far as destocking of inventory, I've never liked that term because we don't do that.

What we do is order inventory in anticipation of what our customers are going to buy. We continue to do that. I don't know, but if our competitors buy offshore, that's their thing and that's not ours. We've always been a domestic supporter. 95% of the carbon we buy is domestic for a reason, not that we don't love those guys because we do, they're great at what they do.

And we care about the North American manufacturing market. But we understand cash is king. And when you're buying domestically, that helps with your inventory turns. And that's something we're going to continue to do. So destocking, restocking, Reliance just kind of we do what we do.

And we'll continue to do that. And our inventory is in fine shape, and I don't know about anybody else's inventory.

Speaker 4

Yes. And I think Seth, as I commented on, we did have a focus on inventory reductions and we've talked about that. We've had that for the year. We felt we probably, like a lot of other companies, bought a little heavy in 2018. There was a little, I think, confusion, so to speak, in the market with how much was pre buying by some metal customers in Q2 of 2018.

So we've had a focus on reducing inventory levels. Throughout this year, we've been making progress. We had some good improvement during the Q3. We generated about $157,000,000 of cash flow from operations just from inventory reduction during Q3 from June 30. Part of that a little bit of that is lower pricing obviously throws off some dollars, but we also had a focus on reducing our levels to be in what where Jim talked about kind of rightsizing the inventory.

We're not at our inventory turn goal yet for the year, but we're getting pretty close. And so we think we're in good shape, which feeds into your question on working capital levels from now to the remainder of the year. So with lower shipment volumes, typically we release working capital in the Q4. So we would expect to generate a little more cash from operations. It's been very strong in the 1st three quarters already of this year.

So with our continued expectation of maintaining gross profit margin levels, which throws off good profit levels for us to generate cash along with just the shipment volumes, reducing our working capital levels. We do expect good cash flow again in the 4th quarter.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Our next question is a follow-up question from the line of Martin Englert with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi, thanks for the time on the follow-up. I wanted to see if you could touch on your aluminum business. Volumes were a little bit lower year on year, I believe. And then maybe if you could also contrast that on aluminum tolling business and what you're seeing with volume

Speaker 8

Yes, the aluminum business, a lot of that on the common alloy side, we've seen that market a little softer, both on the demand and on the pricing front. And in contrast, on the heat treat side, that business has stayed relatively strong. The aluminum, we continue to grow on the tool processing side for aluminum as the aluminum content in automotive continues to increase and our investments that we've made on the toll processing side, a lot of that has been focused on the aluminum side. So we see continued increase there from a toll processing standpoint.

Speaker 5

Okay. And as a quick follow-up to that, can you kind of speak to the margins on aluminum toll processing versus carbon toll processing? And then also how you see availability on the heat treated aluminum plate side of things, both aero and general engineering?

Speaker 8

Yes. First of all, we don't comment on the margin. So I'll skip that question. And on the Heat Treat side, for aluminum plate, we still see that market fairly strong. Lead times at the mills are still extended.

There's still a little bit of tightness on the supply side. So that business we think will continue to stay strong. Looks like the outlook for 2020 continues to be very positive.

Speaker 5

Do you think that you take a step up in heat treat aluminum volumes in 2020 or it just remains at an elevated level like what we're seeing today?

Speaker 8

We think our outlook is we think the strength or the demand picture that we're seeing now will continue in 2020.

Speaker 5

Okay, excellent. Thanks for all the thanks for the incremental detail there.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Speaker 1

There are no further questions in

Speaker 6

the queue. I'd like to

Speaker 1

hand the call back to Jim Hoffman for closing

Speaker 3

remarks. Thank you very much. We'd like to thank everyone on the call today for your continued support and commitment to Reliance. We'd also like to thank those of you who attended our Analyst and Investor Day back in September. For those of you who are unable to join us, an archived video webcast and a corresponding presentation can be found on the Investors section of our website at www dotrsac.com.

Lastly, I'd like to remember to remind you all that we will be in New York City next month presenting at the Goldman Sachs Global Metals and Mining Conference and also at the Cowen's Chemical Metals and Mining Summit. We hope to see some of you there and I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines

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