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Earnings Call: Q2 2018

Aug 9, 2018

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sunrun Inc. second quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press Star, then Zero on your touchtone telephone. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Patrick Jobin, investor relations. Sir, you may begin.

Patrick Jobin
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Sunrun

Thank you, operator, thank you to those on the call for joining us today. Before we begin, please note that certain remarks we will make on this conference call constitute forward-looking statements. Although we believe these statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us, actual results may differ materially and adversely. Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for a more inclusive discussion of risks and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ from projections made in any forward-looking statements. Please also note these statements are being made as of today, we disclaim any obligation to update or revise them. On the call today are Lynn Jurich, Sunrun's co-founder and CEO, Bob Komin, Sunrun's CFO, and Edward Fenster, Sunrun's co-founder and executive chairman. The presentation today will use slides which are available on our website at investors.sunrun.com.

Now let me turn the call over to Lynn.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Thanks, Patrick. We are pleased to share with you Sunrun's second quarter financial and operating results, along with progress against our strategic priorities. In the second quarter, we added more than 12,000 customers, representing 20% growth in megawatt deployments. This result exceeds guidance and represents the highest quarterly volume in the company's history. In the first half of 2018, we generated $142 million in net present value and created NPV per watt of $1.03 or over $7,700 per customer. We're excited to announce that we have now surpassed 200,000 customers. For a company that is disrupting a multi-trillion dollar industry, we learned a lot from winning these first customers that will make the next million easier. Throughout the past 11 years, we have solidified our position as the industry leader with scale, brand, technology, and financial strength.

I'm most excited by what the next decade means for Sunrun and the families that want a superior energy service, a service that is customized to their energy needs, is more resilient and offers backup power, and contributes to healthier communities. Sunrun makes going solar simple, and we are committed to creating an exceptional customer experience because our customers have chosen to be with us for decades. We are reiterating our full year guidance of 15% growth in deployments and growth in cash generation above this rate. This growth, plus investments in customer acquisition and product innovation, will be achieved while delivering NPV above $1 per watt for the full year. The opportunities in front of us are increasing our confidence for growth acceleration and continued market leadership. As the leading solar company in the U.S., Sunrun has the largest national footprint.

We are capitalizing on this position by investing in our direct customer acquisition, onboarding platform, and customer experience capabilities, which we believe will increase the moat around our business and deliver a superior cost structure over time. Our direct business grew over 40% year-over-year. This current success, combined with the opportunities in front of us, which include multiple retail expansion opportunities, lays the foundation for a strong 2019 growth rate. Strategic partnerships like retail are a place where national capabilities, track record, brand, and scale all matter and separate Sunrun from the pack. We are also well-positioned to take advantage of the recent California new home mandate. While the volumes aren't large yet, we already have installed new home installations and are engaged with half of the top 10 home builders in California. Most importantly, Sunrun has the opportunity to be the loved energy provider for homeowners.

Utilities are falling short in providing what customers want. Sunrun is leading in product development to extend our value proposition to customers and the grid. Our Brightbox home solar and battery service continues to gain traction and exceed expectations. We have installed thousands of Brightbox systems thus far, and we will more than double Brightbox installations in the second half of 2018 as compared to the first half. This has caused short-term cycle time and cost headwinds. However, financial returns are attractive, and the service further differentiates Sunrun as the nation's leader. This superior energy service has been launched in seven states and Puerto Rico and already represents about 10% of our direct business. In California, well above 20% of the time, our direct customers are choosing to add a Brightbox. In certain markets in Southern California, this rate is now nearly 60%.

With increasing wildfires and extreme weather causing outages, we are a solution for resilient, clean power that can be rapidly deployed. For instance, customers are being told by utilities in California that they will cut off power proactively when the temperature is high and the wind is blowing. Homeowners want reliable, affordable power, and our Brightbox home solar and battery service can deliver. In the second quarter, we entered Puerto Rico through channel partners, offering residents the freedom to create their own energy and enjoy backup power during outages. We also officially launched Brightbox in Florida. Sunrun continues to advance the role distributed energy resources will play in the country's future energy system. Together with National Grid, we are already active in California and have recently started to work on a small program in Massachusetts, where certain customers are able to participate in grid services.

We're encouraged by the growing interest from utilities and regulators. In addition to our market and product leadership, we continue to deliver strong financial performance. As a result of our capital allocation discipline and financing strategy, we are cash flow positive even while investing in future growth and product leadership, and have maintained a strong balance sheet. I'll now turn the call over to Bob Komin, our CFO, to review Q2 performance and to discuss guidance in more detail.

Bob Komin
CFO, Sunrun

Thanks, Lynn. Customer NPV in the second quarter was approximately $7,400 or $0.98 per watt. In the first half of the year, NPV per watt was $1.03, in line with our target levels, despite the headwinds from tariffs and tax reform, along with the investments we're making to accelerate our direct business and product leadership. Project value per customer was approximately $31,100 or $4.10 per watt in Q2, and for the first half 2018, was $4.32 per watt. As a reminder, project value is very sensitive to modest changes in geographic channel and tax equity fund mix. We expect project value will decline slightly over time, but with cost declining more, although in the short run, there can be quarterly fluctuations. For instance, in Q2, we had a higher mix of lower value and also lower cost projects in our channel business that affected our metrics.

We expect project value will return to levels more consistent with recent trends in Q3. Turning now to creation costs on slide six. In Q2, total creation costs were approximately $23,700 per customer, or $3.12 per watt, and were $3.29 for the first half of the year. Similar to project value, creation costs can fluctuate quarter to quarter. Creation costs per watt were 7% lower year-over-year. We expect creation costs will return to levels more consistent with the last few quarters in Q3, and expect them to show modest declines for the full year, even with the module tariff impact, as we continue to invest in growth in our direct business, as Lynn described. As a reminder, our cost stack is not directly comparable to those of peers because of our channel partner business.

Blended installation cost per watt, which includes the cost of solar projects deployed by our channel partners, as well as installation costs incurred for Sunrun built systems, improved by $0.35 year-over-year to $2.35 per watt, largely due to the higher mix of lower value and lower cost projects in our channel business, as I mentioned earlier. In the first half of 2018, total installation costs were $2.48 per watt. We also expect installation costs will return to levels more consistent with recent trends in Q3. Install costs for systems built by Sunrun were $1.95 per watt, reflecting an $0.08 or 4% year-over-year increase. Most of this increase is related to a higher mix of batteries. We expect the adoption rate of home batteries to continue to increase, which will carry a higher per-watt cost, but also a higher project value.

In Q2, our sales and marketing costs were $0.69 per watt, reflecting an $0.08 improvement from Q1. We're pleased to report that we are seeing strong sales efficiency improvements year-over-year. Our total GAAP sales and marketing expenses increased 40% year-over-year, but our volumes in the Sunrun direct business grew at a faster rate. Our sales and marketing unit costs are calculated by dividing the cost we record in the period by total MW deployed. Most of these expenses relate to our direct business, and these sales activities occur somewhat earlier than the related systems are deployed. When we're growing direct sales rapidly, this causes reported unit sales and marketing costs to increase.

A higher mix of direct business will result in higher reported sales and marketing cost per watt over time, but this also means there will be lower blended installation cost per watt over time due to lower channel business mix. In Q2, G&A costs were $0.25 per watt, a $0.04 or 14% improvement. In Q2, G&A costs per watt excluded a non-recurring item of $1.9 million for settlement of the consolidated state court class action lawsuit related to the IPO. Finally, when we calculate creation costs, we subtract the GAAP gross margin contribution realized from our platform services. This includes our distribution, racking, and lead generation businesses, as well as solar systems we sell for cash or with third-party loan. We achieved platform services gross margin of $0.16 per watt, in line with recent trends.

In the second quarter, we deployed 91 MW above our guidance of 88 MW, reflecting 20% year-over-year growth. While we don't manage the business for a particular mix between channel partner and direct, our direct business is growing at a strong rate and is the platform that enables Sunrun to be the desired partner for large national strategic and retail partners. The direct business is also the platform behind the Comcast partnership and where we focused our initial Brightbox sales and installation efforts. Our cash and third-party loan mix was 13% in Q2, also in line with recent levels and consistent with our outlook of low to mid-teens. Turning now to our balance sheet. Our liquidity position remains strong. We ended Q2 with $270 million in total cash, an 11% or $27 million increase from last quarter.

We continue to forecast our cash generation will grow 15% or more, which would be $50 million or higher for the year 2018. Quarterly cash generation can fluctuate due to the timing of project finance activities, so we provide forecasts on a multi-quarter basis. We define cash generation as a change in our total cash less the change in recourse debt. Also, please note that our cash generation outlook excludes any strategic opportunities beyond our current plans. Moving on to guidance on slide eight. We remain confident in our full-year guidance of 15% growth in deployments and unit economics of a $1 NPV or higher. In Q3, we expect to deploy 100 MW, reflecting 10% sequential growth from Q2. Our full-year guidance implies just over 13% sequential growth from Q3 to Q4 or just over 20% year-over-year growth for the second half. Now let me turn it over to Ed.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Thanks, Bob. Today, I plan to address three topics. The benefits in the next decade of June's IRS guidance to margins, especially to providers of residential solar-as-a-service. Changes during the quarter to gross and Net Earning Assets. Finally, our near-term capital strategy and pipeline. First, on slide nine, I want to illustrate how the recent guidance issued by the IRS regarding the investment tax credit will make managing the step-downs of the investment tax credit especially comfortable, and we believe will cause increased market share for solar-as-a-service. This June, the IRS clarified that by incurring at least 5% of project costs in advance, for instance, through advanced purchase of inventory, a company can delay the step-downs in the investment tax credit.

In the most extreme example, by making a large advanced purchase in December 2019, we could continue to claim a 30% investment tax credit through December 2023, rather than have it phase down to 26% in 2020, 22% in 2021, and 10% in 2022. While we've not finalized our strategy regarding this opportunity, the rule is clearly a favorable development for the company, and it presents more options to extend the higher tax credit levels. Our strong balance sheet and relationship with capital providers position us well to benefit from this guidance. In addition, the ability to delay the step-downs of the investment tax credit through this guidance exists only for solar systems owned by businesses such as Sunrun. It does not exist for homeowners buying and owning systems themselves.

Although businesses and homeowners both enjoy a 30% tax credit today, the business and individual tax credits exist in different sections of the code and are subject to different phase-out schedules and rules. As such, we would expect to see an industry-wide mix shift of volumes from customer-owned toward lease begin in 2020, when individuals buying directly would face a 26% tax credit and solar service providers like Sunrun could benefit from a 30% tax credit. This advantage would peak in 2022 when individuals would receive no tax credit and solar service providers like Sunrun would benefit from a 22%-30% tax credit. Thereafter, this advantage would settle at 10% as solar service providers like Sunrun enjoy a 10% permanent tax credit, but the individual tax credit expires in December 2021. GTM estimates that approximately half of the market today is customer purchase systems.

Importantly, this guidance makes managing the step-down of the investment tax credit even easier. Assuming we raise consumer prices by approximately 2% per year in the face of expected retail rate escalation of about 3.6% in our main markets, we only need to achieve just under 4% annual cost reductions to maintain 2018 margins in 2024 under a 10% tax credit. To be clear, we think we can do significantly better. Historically, we have achieved 9% annual cost reductions for the last three years, and since inception, we have managed through federal and state subsidy reductions three times the size of the full step-down between today and the 10% ITC. Turning now to slide 12. In Q2, Net Earning Assets grew slightly while cash increased $27 million to $270 million.

Net Earning Assets is our way to describe the value of the cash flows to Sunrun shareholders after payments to tax equity and debt counterparties. Because there are different accounting treatment for different tax equity structures, I want to point out where you can find the components on the financial statements to calculate these figures. This quarter, we used a structure called a pass-through, which we haven't used in several years, so I want to explain how to unpack it. Tax reform has made pass-throughs more competitive with partnership flips, so we may use more of them in the future. The pass-through financing obligation used to calculate Net Earning Assets is reduced by $36 million, which is the portion of that liability we expect will be eliminated when the pass-through financing provider receives investment tax credits on assets it has funded.

At that time, the $36 million would be recognized as revenue. Due to its short-term nature, this amount is reflected in the current portion of the pass-through financing obligation. In a pass-through financing, we book the value of tax benefits on the revenue line. For partnership flip structures, because GAAP requires it, we book the value of tax benefits at the bottom of the P&L as a loss allocated to non-controlling interests. For pass-throughs, we book the value of tax benefits upon receipt of interconnection permission from the local utility. For partnership flip structures, we book this value earlier, beginning at deployment. In a period such as this one, where we begin to use a pass-through, income moves above the operating line but lags. This effect resulted in the depressed EPS in the quarter.

Each method generates net income to Sunrun common shareholders, although under GAAP, the timing and geography is different. Turning to our upcoming capital strategy and pipeline. As we shared on the prior call, we expect the remaining annual cash build will occur in Q4 due to project finance timing, but also increased operating leverage. We expect principally to increase Net Earning Assets rather than cash during Q3. We believe we will achieve the best possible execution by sequencing our transactions first in the public senior debt markets, next, if applicable, in the subordinated debt market, and finally, to the extent desired, in the project equity market. We're still on track to generate at least $50 million of cash this year. Our 2018 outlook does not require refinancing of post-flip assets, which opportunity is still on the come for 2019.

Between operational growth and refinancing opportunities, cash generation could double to $100 million next year. Our debt and tax equity capital commitments already provide runway into next year. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Lynn.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Thanks, Ed, and just wanted to correct one thing quickly. At about 18 minutes in, Ed said in Q3, Net Earning Assets grew slightly while cash increased, and that he meant Q2. We are through. Let's open the line for questions, please.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Operator, can you queue up questions?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, if you have a question, please press the star, then the one key on your touch-tone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Again, that's star then one to ask a question. To prevent any background noise, we ask that you please place your line on mute once your question has been stated. One moment for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Weinstein with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi, guys.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Hello.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Good afternoon.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey. Ed, thank you very much for that explanation of pass-through financing and how that's going to be changing things, going forward and also in this quarter. I guess if things are lagging, and since this is the first quarter we're really seeing an increase and it has a lag effect. We should expect, if we look at slide 13, we expect Net Earning Assets to increase in future quarters to catch up basically with the lag that's happening there?

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Sure. Good question. There are two components to the lag. The first one is on the income statement, which depressed net income in the quarter. That should normalize, beginning approximately next quarter, and in a period where you might discontinue using a pass-through, you would actually see excess income. In terms of how we are describing Net Earning Assets on the slide, we are making a pro forma adjustment for that $36 million, which we describe a little bit more details in the footnote. At the time that fund completes deployment and the assets are placed in service, that pro forma adjustment will go away.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, basically it's already factored in there. At least on slide 13, it's factored in.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Correct.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. One other question I had was, your guidance for the third quarter for megawatts deployed would imply a pretty steep number for Q4. Is there any reason why Q4 would be higher than past Q4s?

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Yes, absolutely. A couple things. The growth, particularly in the direct business, is really strong and is supporting strong growth. As we talked about, that's 40% year-over-year. If you look sequentially, the growth rate from Q3 from Q2 was 10%, that would imply the 13% again into Q4, which we feel very confident in hitting. I think what you're seeing with the Q3 year-over-year comp is that on the channel side, it's a little bit of a tough comp because last year we had a lot of installations in Arizona due to the pull forward of the change in the rate structure that was happening. The channel comp is tough for Q3. This year, we're seeing such strong order flow that the long-term trajectory is overcoming the normal seasonality you would see in the business.

Michael Weinstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, thank you. I think that's it for now, I'll pass it on to somebody else. Thanks.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Rebecca Yates
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Rebecca Yates on for Brian. Thanks for taking our questions. Tariffs have impacted the cost structure negatively to some degree, but the supply chain is also now seeing a lot of oversupply. I was just wondering, with the interplay of these two forces, where you stand on inventory and what magnitude of pricing decline do you be expecting from what's embedded in current 2Q results for the next several quarters? If that extends into 2019, what cost declines do you expect to see in panels and maybe inverters as well if you see pressure there?

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Great questions. I think in terms of equipment costs, we definitely are seeing spot prices sort of across the board declining. Panel prices on a spot basis are probably approximately back where they were a year ago, prior to the run-up in price ahead of the Section 201 tariff. We likely, due to inventory, wouldn't see that rolling through the P&L until the fourth quarter of this year. We also are seeing, generally speaking, declines in inverter prices. Those could fluctuate a few pennies one way or the other, depending on how the tariff situation plays out. Generally speaking, I think any price increase arising from tariffs ought to be temporary, because the suppliers in the industry are just playing a little bit of musical chairs on what factories and what markets supply what markets.

We also just are in such a global world these days that supply chains can adapt. That said, the increased attachment rate of batteries will drive costs higher, although we do believe that over the next year, battery costs, power electronics related to batteries, and labor costs related to the installation of batteries will all be declining. Those factors are all at play. Can you let me know if there were other components to your question that I didn't answer? I tried to reach all of them, I might not have been writing fast enough.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

I think just from a headline number, you're going to see slight declines in the overall installation cost through the rest of the year. There's going to be these competing factors. It's like we're going to see the operating leverage from the strong growth offset by the tick-up in the battery cost adding to the stack.

Rebecca Yates
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks for all the color. I think you got it all. Just as a follow-up, you have a number of growth avenues kicking in here in 3Q, with Florida leasing, the Comcast partnership, Nevada re-entry, and new states like Illinois. Can you just rank order those and how they're going to contribute to volume growth in the near term, and any comments?

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Sure. Again, we're really thrilled with the demand environment and our position here on the direct. You hit the big ones. Retail, we're really bullish on retail. That's an area that it's a channel we like. We know how to operate it. We've been in Costco and The Home Depot for a while now, and given that retailers are also recognizing that this is a really profitable category for them, we're in discussion with 4 national chains that we're talking to today. You won't see that stuff short term. You're not going to see that in Q3, but it sets us up for a really nice position for next year. Similarly with Comcast, the Comcast partnership is also progressing very well. The thesis we entered into is really holding, meaning the acquisition cost is attractive for us.

For Comcast, it's delivering the funnel expectations that they were expecting. As we've said in the past, it's something that is a multi-year partnership. They're a large company, and we're learning into it together. We're also encouraged by the potential for that partnership. Again, not a Q3 big contributor, but something that sets us up for longer term growth rates. The new markets as well. I think all the new markets we entered into over the last couple of quarters are strong and are proving to be good long-term markets. They're meeting our expectations. We think they're durable. They also will certainly help contribute.

That's part of getting back to Michael's question, why we're so confident that the back half, in aggregate, will grow above 20% year-over-year, and why we're confident that this growth acceleration is happening and should happen into 2019.

Rebecca Yates
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay, thanks. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Philip Shen with ROTH Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Philip Shen
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. The first one is a follow-up on the Q4 outlook. You talked about the strength coming from your direct business. To what degree does that give you confidence that you can see that strength go into 2019? If you can quantify it in any way, I know you're not providing official guidance, but insofar as you can kind of give us your view of how 2019 might be shaping up, that would be great.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Yeah, absolutely. I think the question I just answered previously kind of hits on a lot of the drivers that are going to help support that strong growth. If you just look at, again, with the Q3 guide, what that implies for Q4, I believe that would be north of a kind of 30% year-over-year growth rate. If you look at Q1 from last year versus what we expect to do this year, certainly, we expect very strong year-over-year growth. It's too early for us to make a comment on officially the guidance for 2019, but it's certainly accelerating the growth rate.

Philip Shen
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Great. Thanks for the color there. Let's shift to storage. You talked about, I think, 20% attach rates in California and some regions within California being 60%. There is tightness of battery availability, and we're hearing of lead times of six to seven months. My sense is that the relief there might be in first half of next year in terms of supply, meaning more batteries come online. Assuming supply was not a constraint today, how much latent demand would there be? For example, what I mean by that is how much are you not able to serve because of battery supply constraints?

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

We are in a position where we are comfortable with battery supply through the end of the year and already have procurement in place for that. As we said in the prepared comments, we will expect to install more than double the amount of Brightboxes back half of the year versus first half of the year. Very strong growth with supply. We do agree with you that given how big this market is, we're seeing a lot of people come into the market, and that should bode well for next year, both on the cost side and on the supply side. We're well-positioned through the end of the year, which should, again, give us an advantage when other people are feeling the tightness.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Right. Particularly as more battery manufacturers come online, costs will decline, making the value proposition more attractive. Those are all positive features, to Lynn's point, our supply situation for the year is secure.

Philip Shen
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Great. Thank you both. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Colin Rusch
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks so much. It's Colin.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Hey, Colin.

Colin Rusch
Analyst, Oppenheimer

How are you? Thinking about this advantage on the tax equity structure and rising rates, can you talk a little bit about the pricing strategy over the next three or four years? It seems like you might be in a position to accelerate some growth by not raising prices quite so much, especially if you're able to manage costs. Just want to think about the puts and takes that you guys are considering and how you might go through that decision-making process.

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Great question. If you're referring to my discussion around the investment tax credit, what we are just trying to illustrate is the many degrees of freedoms and ways one can end up with a higher margin business in 2024 than today. What we tried to chart here was just what do you have to believe for neutral? There we said, "Look, let's conservatively assume that we'll charge 2% more per year to the customers." PA Consulting performed a study looking at our top markets and concluded a 10-year CAGR of approximately 3.6% in those markets. We felt like the two was conservative. We have a history of taking out about 9% from our cost structure every year. The 4% number here is conservative. We feel like we have a lot of degrees of freedom in that department.

In terms of interest rates, obviously, we are continuing to see spreads decline. Far, spreads have been declining faster than base rate has been increasing. If that trend were to cease, we still have a nice tailwind, which is that we're not the only energy company that cares about interest rates. Our major competitor is the electric utility. About two-thirds of the cost of a residential utility bill in the markets that we operate in is the amortizing capital cost of the utility. As utilities cost of debt and equity increases, regulators pass those costs through to customers, and utility rates escalate. If you look at a 50-year history of retail electric rates, you'll see a very strong correlation between rate escalation and interest rates.

If we do end up in a higher interest rate environment than the market expects, which the future interest rate market does show it's approximately flat around three or the low threes for a 10-year treasury you would expect to see escalating retail rates. Finally, as it relates to our existing book of business we are approximately 90% hedged on our existing fleet, so those rates are locked in, and most of those are swaps, which are even independent of the specific loans that we have on the balance sheet.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

I would just also, Colin, you had also just asked about, there's implicit in that question, price elasticity. What we have found historically is that there isn't a huge difference in adoption when you Once you hit a 20% savings threshold, if you go further, there isn't a real increase in adoption necessarily. People are choosing for other reasons. Particularly over the long run, our vision for this over time, probably 100% of systems are going to have batteries attached to them, which changes the value proposition, again, away from a savings type of message to more of a control, reliability type of value prop to the consumer. We will always look at that price elasticity trade-off, but we do believe that with the expected rate escalation, there's room to move the price up.

Colin Rusch
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. I guess the next question is related to the attach rates on the batteries and the portfolio impact to actually enter into the grid services market as an incremental source of cash flow. There's a fair amount of speculation around how prepared the technology is to really enable that functionality. I guess my question is twofold. One, can you talk about how much of your portfolio really is capable of that sort of modular control? And then secondarily, how should we think about that starting to enter into our future cash flows and from a timing perspective, just initial cash flows and how it might scale up?

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Great question. I think the short story is the capability all exists today. It's a little bit more manual than I expect it will be in a few years as it scales.

Bob Komin
CFO, Sunrun

We will be putting over top of it automation to make that simpler. Certainly the plumbing to provide grid services with batteries today exists.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

I would also add that consumers are willing to do it as well. The early indications around are consumers willing to let the utility draw from the battery have been positive. That's obviously an important factor as well. In terms of major contributing to cash flow, I mean, again, a lot of these projects that we're working on, these are long-term planning cycles. These are two, three years out, when you think about the projects in any sort of meaningful scale that we're looking at. We feel confident the technology will work and will be there.

Colin Rusch
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Perfect. Thanks so much you guys.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Thanks, Colin.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.

Eric Chase
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hey, guys. This is actually Eric on for Julien. Just a quick question on, you discussed the sort of lower project value, in 2018, that there was some lower value, higher-cost projects in the quarter, and you expect it to be more normalized going forward. What is driving that primarily? Is that entry into lower value markets? Just wanted to clarify.

Bob Komin
CFO, Sunrun

Yeah, to be clear, we said lower value, also lower cost. Remember, in our channel business especially, we price to NPV. There's a bunch of mix effects, and when we look at those projects, it's NPV-driven. The NPVs on those were fine, but they were lower in this quarter than in some previous quarters.

Eric Chase
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got you. What was primarily driving that? Just choosing to go for maintaining the NPV and the unit economics, presumably?

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Yeah.

It can fluctuate quarter to quarter. It's sensitive, and it fluctuates depending on just various mix effects that we have.

Geo mix.

Bob Komin
CFO, Sunrun

Yeah.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

The pricing that the channel has on their contract.

Bob Komin
CFO, Sunrun

I mean, just very simply. If someone presents you a contract that you think is worth $4, you might pay $3 for it. If someone presents you one that's worth $3, you might pay $2 for it.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Yeah.

Eric Chase
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got you. Then, just touching upon the ITC safe harbor, what's your strategy with that in terms of expanding? Are you planning to expand more aggressively into new markets as well with the ITC safe harbor in hand? Does that change like long-term deployment guidance expectations?

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

The ITC safe harbor obviously provides us fantastic optionality, and we have a good deal of time to decide exactly how we want to execute it, as we watch our own costs and political forces and other things unfold. It also certainly will drive, we think, a mix shift towards solar-as-a-service or leased products and away from homeowner-owned or loan products. The exact size and execution strategy, we won't be determining until we get closer to the end of next year. We have a lot of options and are starting to consider that in due course. Our balance sheet is strong. We have good relationships with capital providers as well. We have a lot of flexibility on how we might execute against that strategy.

Eric Chase
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got you. We should expect further commentary on the strategy in later calls?

Edward Fenster
Executive Chairman, Sunrun

Correct.

Correct.

Eric Chase
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, thank you.

Lynn Jurich
CEO, Sunrun

Thanks, Eric.

Is that everything?

That's everything.

All right. Well, thanks everybody, we'll speak with you again soon. Take care.

Operator

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