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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Jan 31, 2019

Speaker 1

Morning. Thank you for joining The Sherwin Williams Company's review of 4th Quarter and Full Year 2018 Results and the outlook for the full fiscal year of 2019. With us on today's call are John Marikas, President and CEO Al Mistysian, CFO Jane Cronin, Senior Vice President, Corporate Controller and Bob Wells, Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications. This conference call is being webcast simultaneously in listen only mode by Issuer Direct via the Internet at sherwin.com. An archived replay of this webcast will be available at sherwin.com beginning approximately 2 hours after this conference call concludes and will be available until Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 5 pm Eastern Time.

This conference call will include certain forward looking statements as defined under U. S. Federal Securities Laws with respect to sales, earnings and other matters. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which such statement is made, and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. A full declaration regarding forward looking statements is provided in the company's earnings release transmitted earlier this morning.

After the company's prepared remarks, we will open the session to questions. I will now turn the call over to Bob Wells.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jesse. Good morning, everyone. Before discussing our results and outlook, I'd like to call your attention to the accounting change mentioned in our press release this morning. This voluntary inventory accounting change made in the Q4 of 2018 was driven by the company's integration activities. As a result of this accounting change and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, a retrospective one time expense adjustment to cost of goods sold of $58,900,000 or $0.47 per share has been made resulting in revised GAAP 2017 4th quarter and full year amounts.

This revision increased acquisition related costs and reduced previously reported segment profit for Performance Coatings and Consumers Brands Groups by $35,700,000 $23,200,000 respectively for both the Q4 and full year 2017 compared to what was previously reported. To be clear, there was no impact on 4th quarter or full year 2018 from this revision. We've summarized 4th quarter and full year adjustments to operating segment profit in a slide deck on our website under January 31, 2018 year end and 4th quarter financial results. With that, let me move on to our Q4 and full year 2018 results. All comparisons in my remarks are to the revised 4th quarter and full year 2017 unless otherwise stated.

Beginning with Q4 2018, consolidated sales increased $84,700,000 or 2.1 percent to $4,060,000,000 For the full year 2018, consolidated sales increased $2,550,000,000 or 17 percent to $17,530,000,000 As a reminder, the Valspar transaction closed on June 1, 2017. Incremental Valspar sales from January through May of 2018 increased consolidated sales by 12.4 percent for the year. Organic growth for full year was 4.7%. Consolidated gross profit dollars in the 4th quarter decreased $56,600,000 or 3.3 percent to $1,680,000,000 Gross profit for the year increased $699,800,000 or 10 point 4 percent to $7,400,000,000 Consolidated gross margin in the 4th quarter decreased to 41.4% from 43.7% in the same period last year. Excluding impacts from purchase accounting and one time items, consolidated gross margin in the quarter was 42.4% compared to 44.7% in 2017.

Consolidated gross margin in the year decreased to 42.3% from 44.8% in the same period last year. Excluding impacts from purchase accounting and one time items, consolidated gross margin for the full year was 42.8% compared to 45.9% in 2017. Selling, general and administrative expense decreased $87,200,000 or 6.6 percent to $1,240,000,000 in the 4th quarter and also decreased as a percent of sales to 30.5% from 33.3% in the same quarter last year. SG and A expense for the year increased $236,100,000 or 3.5 percent to $5,030,000,000 but decreased as a percent of sales to 28.7% from 32% in 2017. Interest expense for the quarter was essentially flat year over year at $89,400,000 For the year, interest expense increased $103,300,000 to $366,700,000 The increase was primarily due to a full year of Valspar related debt compared to 7 months last year.

Consolidated profit before tax in the 4th quarter decreased $124,000,000 or 54.9 percent to $102,000,000 The Q4 of 2018 included non operating expenses of $135,900,000 related to environmental remediation and $37,600,000 related to a pension plan settlement as described in our press release. For the full year, consolidated profit before tax decreased $109,700,000 or 7.5 percent to $1,360,000,000 Full year 2018 results included non operating expenses of $167,200,000 $37,600,000 $136,300,000 related to environmental remediation, pension plan settlement and California public nuisance litigation, respectively. Excluding acquisition and non operating expenses, our effective tax rate on adjusted income for the quarter was 19.1% 19.5% for the full year. Diluted net income per common share for the Q4 2018 decreased to $1.07 per share from $8.92 per share last year. The $1.07 per share in the 4th quarter includes non operating expenses of $1.37 per share and acquisition related expenses of $1.10 per share.

The $8.92 per share in the Q4 of 2017 includes a one time benefit of $7 per share from deferred income tax reductions and $1.24 per share in acquisition related expenses. Excluding these items, adjusted diluted earnings per common share increased 12 percent to $3.54

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in the

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Q4 2018 from $3.16 in the Q4 2017. Diluted net income per common share for the full year decreased to $11.67 per share from $18.20 per share in 2017. The 11 point $7 per share includes non operating expenses of $2.71 per share and acquisition related expenses of $4.15 per share. The $18.20 per share from last year includes a $0.44 charge related to discontinued operations, acquisition related expenses of $3.47 per share and a one time benefit of $7.04 per share from deferred income tax reductions. Excluding these items, adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 23% to $18.53 in full year 2018 compared to $15.07 in full year 2017.

We have summarized the 4th quarter and year over year earnings per share comparison in a Regulation G reconciliation table at the end of our Q4 2018 press release. Let me take a few minutes to break down our performance by segment. Sales for the Americas Group in the 4th quarter increased $65,400,000 or 3 percent to $2,250,000,000 For the year, net sales increased $507,900,000 or 5.6 percent to $9,630,000,000 Currency translation rate changes reduced sales in the quarter and the year by 1.8% and 1%, respectively. Comparable store sales in the U. S, Canada and the Caribbean, that is sales by stores opened more than 12 calendar months, increased 2.9% in the quarter and 5.1% in the year.

Regionally, in the Q4, our Southeast division led all divisions, followed by Midwest, Eastern, Southwest and Canada. Sales were positive in every division in the quarter. 4th quarter segment profit increased $7,400,000 or 1.8 percent to 413 point $4,000,000 Currency translation rate changes decreased segment profit 2.7% in the quarter. Full year segment profit increased $128,900,000 or 7.3 percent to $1,900,000,000 4th quarter segment operating margin decreased 20 basis points to 18.3% from 18.5% last year. Full year segment operating margin increased 30 basis points to 19.7 percent from 19.4% last year.

Turning now to the Consumer Brands Group, 4th quarter sales decreased $37,200,000 or 6.5 percent to $534,400,000 The new revenue recognition standard reduced sales by 2.8% in the quarter. Full year sales increased $584,300,000 or 27.1 percent to $2,740,000,000 Excluding the incremental 5 month sales from Valspar, sales for the group increased 0 point 2% in the year. The new revenue recognition standard reduced sales by 4.8% in the year. 4th quarter segment profit increased $11,600,000 to $12,000,000 Purchase accounting costs decreased segment profit by $24,500,000 compared to $32,800,000 in the Q4 2017. In addition, the accounting change decreased segment profit by $23,200,000 in the quarter in 2017.

Full year segment profit increased $58,300,000 or 28.7 percent to 261,100,000 dollars Segment profit from the incremental 5 months of Valspar results was $75,800,000 Purchase accounting costs decreased segment profit by $110,900,000 compared to $107,600,000 in the year 2017. In addition, the accounting change decreased segment profit by $23,200,000 in full year 2017. 4th quarter segment operating margin increased to 2.2% from 0.1% last year. Excluding the purchase accounting expenses in both quarters and the accounting change in the Q4 2017, segment operating margin decreased 6.8% in the Q4 2018 from 9.7% in the Q4 2017. Full year Consumer Group segment operating margin increased to 9.5% from 9.4% last year.

Excluding the purchase accounting expense in both years and the accounting change in 2017, segment operating margin decreased to 13.6% in 2018 from 15.5% in 2017. As a reminder, Consumer Brands segment also incurred approximately $50,000,000 in expenses this year to support the launch of the exclusive partnership with Lowe's and $20,000,000 in incremental supply chain costs, which we described in our Q3 results. For our Performance Coatings Group, 4th quarter sales increased $56,500,000 or 4.6 percent to $1,270,000,000 Currency translation rate changes reduced 4th quarter sales by 1.2%. For full year, sales increased 1.46 $1,000,000,000 or 39.4 percent to $5,170,000,000 Excluding the incremental 5 month sales from Valspar, Valspar, sales for the group increased 5.1% in the year. 4th quarter segment profit increased $28,600,000 or 34.1 percent to $112,300,000 Purchase accounting costs decreased segment profit by 55 $200,000 compared to $42,100,000 in the Q4 'seventeen.

In addition, the accounting change decreased segment profit by $35,700,000 in the Q4 2017. Full year segment profit increased $189,300,000 or 72 percent to $452,100,000 Currency translation decreased segment profit by 1.7% in the year and segment profit from the incremental 5 months of Valspar results was 97,600,000 dollars Purchase accounting costs decreased segment profit by $215,800,000 compared to $183,100,000 in 2017. In addition, the accounting change decreased segment profit by $35,700,000 dollars in 2017. 4th Quarter Performance Group segment operating margin increased to 8.8% from 6.9% last year. Excluding the purchase accounting expense in both quarters and the accounting change in the 4th quarter 2017, segment operating margin was flat year over year at 13.1% in the 4th quarter.

Full year segment operating margin increased to 8.8% from 7.1% last year. Excluding the purchase accounting expense in both years and the accounting change in 2017, segment operating margin decreased to 12 0.9% in the year from 13% in 2017. That concludes our review of our operating results for the Q4. So let me turn the call over to John Marikas, who will make some general comments and provide our outlook for fiscal year 2019. John?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bob. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. I'd like to make just a few additional comments on our Q4 and full year 2018 before moving on to our outlook for 2019. Our 4th quarter results that Bob just walked through fell short of our original expectations with the shortfall in revenue growth driving the majority of the weaker than anticipated results.

We often view trends in the Q4 as indicative of the momentum we will carry into the following year. In this case, the improving cadence of our business late in Q4 was encouraging and January has given us a solid start to the Q1. In terms of the full year, 2018 was a record year for Sherwin Williams by many measures. Sales and adjusted earnings per share were both records. Sales increased 17 percent to $17,500,000,000 compared to the prior year or 4.7% excluding the 5 month contribution from Valspar.

Adjusted earnings per share increased by approximately 23%. Adjusted EBITDA or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization increased to $2,820,000,000 Net operating cash for the year was a record $2,040,000,000 an increase of more than $151,000,000 compared to 2017 and 11.6 percent of sales. Free cash flow, which we define as net operating cash less CapEx and dividends, was $1,460,000,000 compared to $1,340,000,000 last year. All of our operating segments contributed to this record performance. Within the Americas Group, full year sales increased 5.6% against a challenging prior year comparison of 8.8%.

Residential Repaint remained our strongest customer segment in the year, up by a double digit percentage. All other segments were positive for the year. Full year segment profit dollars and margin also improved year over year. We continue to invest in innovation and service, introducing 25 new products, our 8th consecutive year of double digit product introductions. We opened 87 net new paint stores in the U.

S. And Canada and added 150 new sales territories. In the consumer segment, full year sales were up mid single digits, excluding the 5 months incremental sales from Valspar and the impact of the new revenue standard. Adjusted segment margin was down year over year, driven mainly by expenses related to a new customer program and raw material cost increases, not all of which were anticipated. We feel very good about our product reset, merchandising and training efforts with Lowe's this year, as well as our strengthened relationship with other key retailers.

Performance Coatings Group sales across all product categories were positive, led by general industrial and packaging, which were both up by double digit percentages. Throughout the year, Performance Coatings Group combated persistent raw material inflation with price increases, some of which are still flowing in. This group also made commendable progress on continuing integration efforts. Company wide, we delivered approximately $180,000,000 in synergy benefit to the P and L in 2018, about 30,000,000 above the midpoint of our expectations at the start of the year. We exited the year at a synergy run rate of approximately $360,000,000 dollars Finally, we returned approximately $936,000,000 to shareholders during the year, including $323,000,000 paid in cash dividends and $613,000,000 to purchase 1,520,000 shares of common stock, and we reduced our debt by $1,100,000,000 Let me begin my comments on our outlook for 1st quarter and full year 2019 by saying that we remain confident in the sustainability of demand across most of our end markets.

I'm also confident in our ability to execute on the key initiatives that drive our success in the short and long term, and in our ability to deliver value to our customers. We entered 2019 well positioned and focused on what we can control. I'm less confident about the increasing number of economic, political and social variables that are beyond our control. These would include government shutdowns, Fed rate hikes, tariffs, trade wars, immigration and security to name a few, any one of which could disrupt market demand and raw material supply. While it's our job to focus on those things we can control and adapt to those things we cannot, these factors individually and collectively create uncertainty and expand the range of potential outcome.

For the Q1 of 2019, we anticipate our consolidated net sales will increase 2% to 6% compared to the Q1 of 2018. The Q1 2019 will include expenses related to the defined benefit plan annuity purchase of approximately $0.43 per share. As we described in our call 2 weeks ago, demand in our North American paint stores inflected upward in December and continued to accelerate in January. We're encouraged by this, but remind you that January is a small month with March being the most critical month in the quarter. For the full year 2019, we expect core net sales to increase 4% to 7% compared to full year 2018.

On an earnings per share basis, we believe the most meaningful way to provide guidance is to exclude Valspar acquisition costs and one time items. On this basis and given our sales outlook, we expect adjusted 2019 full year diluted net income per common share to be in the range of $20.40 to $21.40 per share, an increase of approximately 13% at the midpoint compared to the $18.53 reported last year on a comparable basis. This adjusted 2019 guidance excludes approximately $3.20 per share for acquisition related expenses $0.43 for other non operating expenses. We've included a Regulation G reconciliation table

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with this

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morning's press release to better illustrate all the moving parts. We expect our 2019 effective tax rate to be in the low 20% range. One key assumption embedded in this outlook is that raw material inflation for 2019 will be in the low single digits compared to 2018. The rate of year over year inflation will be highest in the first quarter and assuming stable petrochemical feedstocks and no supply disruptions should diminish as we go through the second half. A few additional data points may be helpful for modeling purposes.

We expect incremental synergies of approximately $70,000,000 to $80,000,000 in 2019 with a total annual run rate of approximately $415,000,000 at year end. We expect capital expenditures to be approximately $320,000,000 which is about 1.7 percent of anticipated sales as we continue to invest in capacity and productivity improvements, systems and new stores. Depreciation should be $257,000,000 and amortization will be about $315,000,000 dollars After focusing largely on debt reduction in the last 2 years, we'll begin moving back toward our more traditional capital allocation philosophy in 2019. Expect to reduce debt by $600,000,000 by the end of this year, which should reduce our net debt to EBITDA ratio to below 3 times by the end of 2019. Historically, we've targeted dividends at about 30% of prior year GAAP earnings.

Next month, at our Board of Directors meeting, we will recommend a quarterly dividend increase of 31 percent to $1.13 per share, up from $0.86 last year. We expect to make open market purchases of company stock in 2019 at a level beyond what is necessary to offset dilution from options exercises. On December 31, we had remaining authorization to acquire approximately 10,130,000 shares. We'll also continue to evaluate acquisitions that fit our strategy. Before moving on to your questions, let me wrap up today by asking you to save the date of Wednesday, June 5 on your calendars.

That will be the day we'll host our annual financial community presentation at the Westin Hotel in Cleveland. The program will include presentations by several members of our leadership team. We'll host our customary Q and A session followed by a reception and lunch. Again, that date is Wednesday, June 5. We'll be sending out invitations and related information and a link to our registration site in April.

With that, I'd like to thank you for joining us this morning, and we'll be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting the question and answer

Speaker 5

Thank

Speaker 1

you. The first question is from the line of Steve Byrne with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi. Thanks. This is Ian. Hello. I wanted to ask about what's driving the strength in your view at residential retail market of double digit, what that expectation

Speaker 2

Hey, Ian, for some reason, you're not coming through very clear.

Speaker 6

Apologies. Sorry about that. Sorry about that, guys. So I wanted to ask about the residential repaint. What's driving the strength in that market of double digit and what your expectation is for 2019?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think over the last few years, we've seen really strong growth in residential repaint, not just company wide, but industry wide. We've been growing residential repaint double digits for 5 consecutive years. We think the industry is probably growing in the high single digits. And a couple of things driving that.

One is home value appreciation. Although home turnover has been slower than we expected at this point in the cycle, values have inflated and that gives homeowners confidence in reinvesting in renovation and redecorating projects. The second thing is the decision by baby boomers at this stage in the cycle to age in place. They've been investing in a lot of things over the last decade or 2, including kids' college educations, etcetera. And now they're kind of unleashing some capital to renovate the family home or so it appears.

Those are probably the 2 biggest drivers.

Speaker 3

Yes, I'd say from our perspective, we've been very deliberate in developing products and services that meet that customer's needs. And we take a very, use the word deliberate approach to this. We want to make sure that our products and our services help those customers make more money. We've got a terrific field organization through our stores to be responsive to these customers. And I think we're executing very well at the store level and rep level.

Speaker 2

In terms of outlook, the by most measures, I think residential remodeling spend grew in the upper single digits, the 7%, 7.5% range in 2018. We expect a little bit of moderation in that number in 2019 19 back to like the 6% to 6.5% range, but still a strong year from a historical perspective.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much. And just one follow-up, if I may. On John, you mentioned there's a lot of variables going on here with factors inside of Sherwin's

Speaker 7

it seems like the world's gotten

Speaker 6

a little more uncertain since then. And just It seems like the world's gotten a little more uncertain since then. And just wanted to know how you think about that longer term EPS outlook? Thank you.

Speaker 7

Yes. Ian, this is Al. We made a comment on the last call on 15th about giving you an update on 2020 outlook at our June Investor Day. And I think with we get about 6 months in under our belt and an outlook for the rest of 2019, we can do that.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Nishu Sood with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Thank you. First question I wanted to ask was on the sales guidance for 2019, the 2% to 6% in 1Q and then the 4% to 7% in 2019. I think even if you take into account the slight definitional differences, total net sales versus core net sales implies some acceleration. Given your commentary a few weeks back, it sounded like momentum had picked up back to normal. Sales momentum had picked up back to normal in January.

So what is driving that sequencing of accelerated growth as the year goes on? Well, Nishu, comment that we're off

Speaker 3

to a very good start. January sales, comment that we're off to a very good start. January sales will come in high above our first quarter guidance. So we're feeling good about that momentum. And as far as the year, Al, you want to?

Speaker 7

So Nishu, when you look at the year, we always start with our U. S. And Canada paint stores that are still a growth engine of the company. We'll continue to drive to the higher end of that sales guidance of 4% to 7%. As you recall, we went out with a price increase on October 1 of 4% to 6%, which will give you about effectiveness a little close to 2.5% and then the rest is really price mix.

We really expect consumer to be low single digits and we're still seeing headwinds outside the U. S. In that group. We see some headwinds, continued headwinds in the retail part of that channel. And we're as we've discussed, we're very excited about the Lowe's program.

Even though we're not going to talk about it in particular in deference to our customer, we feel very good about where we're positioned and we're at or a little bit ahead of our pro form a coming into 2019 and with 2019 included. And then I'd say Performance Coatings, we still feel like even with the short term headwinds related to the tariffs that we had talked about in industrial wood in China and in our coil business in North America, we still feel like mid single digits is a good number for that group. It will be a little choppy by business, by segment, but overall, we got a lot of momentum and a lot of good programs going and we feel very good about that. A couple of other data points would be FX is going to be a little over 1% headwind for the year. And I think price, we talk about 2.5% in stores, but overall close to 2% on price.

Speaker 9

Got it.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's very helpful. And then regarding store openings in 2019, what kind of pace would you expect in 2019? Some acceleration from the roughly 75% in 2018? Or what are you thinking about for 2019?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think we're going to continue to run the same pace here in that 80 plus to the 100 range. We feel good about that pace.

Speaker 1

The next question is coming from the line of Robert Koort with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 10

I wanted to focus on the Performance Coatings and the momentum, I guess, the underlying momentum that's starting to develop there on from a margin perspective.

Speaker 7

How do

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you guys see the cadence of those margins as we go through 2018 I'm sorry, 2019?

Speaker 7

Bob, we certainly expect the margin expansion and we saw it coming out of our Q2 year over year improvement. And then as you know, we took an accelerated increase in raw materials. That team has gone out with price again. We believe that price is effective along with good tight SG and A controls and the synergies they're realizing and to end the year flat on an operating essentially flat on an operating margin standpoint year over year, we feel very good about that.

Speaker 10

And you guys obviously have articulated the cost synergies and I know Wall Street is usually pretty reluctant to embrace revenue synergies. But do you have any updated thoughts or anecdotes on what you might have been able to achieve from a revenue synergy standpoint with the Valspar integration?

Speaker 3

Yes, Bob. We're not going to put a number on it, but I would tell you that as we've mentioned before, our teams are very excited about the opportunities that we continue to harvest as we're working through this. Getting our teams together around the world, dialing through this is creating more and more excitement. So every quarter that we've talked about it, we have felt good. And I would tell you, every quarter, we feel better about what we've accomplished and what's ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Christopher Parkinson with Credit Suisse.

Speaker 11

Just sticking with PC, can you just give us a brief state of the union on what you're seeing in terms of top line growth, wood and coil versus GI packaging P and M, just how you're thinking about your opportunities there would be appreciated.

Speaker 3

Yes. And it might be helpful. I'll break it down a little bit by region as well, Chris. The largest that we have, obviously, North America has been the best performing for all of our segments. The one standout I would point out would be coil.

We talked about that last year. The tariff impact on our coil business here in North America has been significant. But overall, our performance here in North America has been terrific. Asia, I'd say, coil was strong and GI was strong as well. And the drag that we're feeling there is in our industrial wood business and that's also tariff related as well.

And we've got a lot of customers there that are feeling the impact. We have customers that are moving manufacturing throughout Southeast Asia and our teams fortunately were positioned well to capture it, but our customers are in a kind of a state of flux as they're moving manufacturing from one country to another to be responsive to their tariff issues. Latin America, I'd say our GI and our packaging were very strong performers and we have a leading position in our automotive business down there. We had some softness in the Q4, but our team down there is terrific. We've got great leadership down there, great position and they've got confidence about the year 2019 as well.

Overall, Europe, I'd say, was the softest, and I would say that's across all of our businesses. And that's something that's continued here as we've turned the corner in the year as well.

Speaker 11

It's great detail. And just your teams also you've obviously been executing well given the choppy macro environment at least recently. How should we just think about your longer term margin potential now that you're realizing most of the valve synergies or at least the remainder of them in 2019? Just when we think about your historical margins in consumer, valve's legacy margins in coatings, just where do you see your long term opportunities outside of the whole price cost equation? Thank you.

Speaker 7

Yes, Chris. We have talked about Performance Coatings Group getting into the high teens to low 20s as we integrate and as you recall, the Valspar business was in the high teens, low 20s already and the synergies that would help bring up the legacy Sherwin businesses. The same goes on the other side for consumer, and we believe getting to those high teens and low 20s is still a reasonable target and we're going to help drive the legacy Sherwin is going to help drive the legacy Valspar low teens up to that mid teen, high teen number. And that's our expectation still.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 12

Thanks, Chris.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 13

Hey, guys. Good morning. I guess, first off, obviously, housing data in the U. S, construction data in general has been very choppy, very public, very choppy. John, can you just sort of touch on customer backlogs, however you define that for 2019 specific to the paint store sub segment?

What are your customers telling you in terms of contracted backlogs, etcetera?

Speaker 3

Ghansham, I'd say that it's when you speak with our customers, it's a very bullish discussion that we're having. Our customers remain very confident about the year, the bidding that they're doing and the backlog that they have had as well as what they see going forward. So we're feeling pretty good about our position and we're excited about continuing to grow market share in this space. You mentioned new residential and we feel as though we've done very well on the national builder level. We're having very good penetration in the regional and local builders.

Our position in the commercial side is strong and getting stronger and we continue to pound away at this residential repaint. The point I'd make though is as you go across the various segments, it's hard you're hard pressed to find customers that are anything but excited about the market that we're in right now.

Speaker 13

Got it. And then I guess just switching to consumer brands and the margin differential 2018 versus 2017. Can you just remind us how much of the differential relates to non recurring investment expense related to the share gains from last year? Just trying to get a sense as to how to think about margins for the segment. And then also related to that, what is going to be different in terms of the go to market strategy for consumer brands as you position in front of the paint season?

Thanks so much.

Speaker 7

Let me talk first about the year over year margins. And as you recall, we talked about a $0.40 hit, that's about 50,000,000 dollars About 40% of that was one time and we realized those in our 3rd Q4. You also have the ongoing investment. So that other 60% as we've been ramping up the program, adding reps to get our rep coverage down to 4 stores per rep versus where we were and the other incremental investments In a small quarter that we have with the seasonal volume adjustments in consumer, it weighed heavy on the margins in the quarter year over year.

Speaker 3

Let me take the back side of that as far as what's going to be different, Ghansham, I look at our position in the marketplace and clearly we're very excited about the relationship that we have with Lowe's and Al just talked about the alignment we have with our reps. But I'd also say that alignment starts at the top of the organization. The leadership there has very high expectations and we're excited about helping them grow into a number of segments and bringing the simplified branding proposition to them is exciting as well as making sure that we have people to help their sales associates. But it doesn't stop there. We've got a lot of wonderful customers in Menards and Ace and some of these other customers who have very strong desire to grow.

And our approach to this is we want to help them in their specific areas of growth and bringing the services, the products and brands that can help them reach their goals. Overall though, when you look at the future and you say, okay, so what's different, it's our continued focus on those differentiators that we think will help each of our customers reach their goals that we think will help separate us from our competition and our customers to win. Understood.

Speaker 13

Thank you so much, John.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Ghansham.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed

Speaker 14

Just wanted to understand the sales growth guidance. It looks like you're guiding to 2% to 6% in Q1, 4% to 7% on the year. The 4% to 7% on the year is potentially a little bit higher than what I had thought. And does that also imply that TAG could be at the upper end of that? And so if that is the case, let's say, mid single 5% to 7%, let's say, that would potentially imply volume of maybe 3% and price of that 2% to 3%.

I mean, A, is that right? And is that an acceleration from maybe what you were thinking on January 15? Thanks.

Speaker 7

I think you're right in what you said about the tag being at the higher end and your breakout between volume and price. And I think it's right where we were thinking it would be on the January 15th call. Even. We talked about January starting off a little bit better, but it's a small month as John highlighted and we'll see how the Q1 goes when we get into March, which is the most significant part of the Q1.

Speaker 3

Yes, I'd say the excitement is consistent. As Al mentioned, new stores that we're adding, the new products that we're introducing, we just had our team together this week at our sales meeting to just share information about the opportunities going forward, but it also gives us an opportunity to talk with our teams about what they see. And we're feeling good about the momentum that we have.

Speaker 14

And then just as a follow-up on lower down in the P and L maybe on the gross margin line as price cost improves through the year. It appears that you could see some potential gross margin expansion, especially in the back half. Is that right? Any way you can size that opportunity for us? Thanks.

Speaker 7

Yes. Arun, I won't size up the opportunity per se, but you're absolutely right. As John mentioned, our first half raw material costs year over year will be higher than our second half. And as you know, with a 12.8% EPS growth at the midpoint, we're going to have to see margin expansion. And I think we're going to make good progress on that in 2019.

But we have a ways to go to get back to the previous company gross margins that we would expect.

Speaker 15

Okay. Thanks.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 16

Thank you. Could you talk a little bit about where non raw material inflation is going to

Speaker 12

be this year versus last year?

Speaker 7

You're going to have our biggest is probably in the salary increases that we're putting through and we're going to be at market, it's going to be at low single digits. And I think you're still we're still going to see some headwinds on the freight side of our basket, went up significantly in 2018 and we do believe it's going to be up again in 2019, not near to that magnitude, but certainly some additional headwinds there. And I think those would be the 2 main buckets.

Speaker 16

And then just a follow-up, the 2% to 6% for the first quarter and you're obviously a month through, it seems like a wider range than normal. And you mentioned earlier that March obviously is the biggest month and that's ahead of us. But what would get us to 6 versus 2?

Speaker 7

Yes. But Vincent, John in his opening comments highlighted the macroeconomic variables and the uncertainty around that. If you think about our Q1, it's a small volume quarter, so you get some relatively small wings and volume cause larger percentage swings. And as we have talked about in the past, our Q1 and our Q4 are more impacted by weather. So to get to the high end of that range, it's going to come out of our stores in the U.

S. And Canada being better than what we thought.

Speaker 15

Okay. Thanks very much. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 17

Good morning. Would you comment on

Speaker 7

the pace of growth in your protective and marine business in the Q4 and the outlook for that business for 2019?

Speaker 3

It was a good quarter for us and we have a lot of momentum in that protective marine business. We've talked over the last couple of years, we took a little harder hit when the petrochem share I'm sorry, the market went down because of our share in that market. That's come back and at the same time, we've been working very hard in the adjacent market. So, it's a good area of performance for us. Terrific leadership here, a lot of new products coming out as well and we're unique in that we're able to leverage our store distribution platform when needed, as well as going direct on these larger projects as they're coming in.

So, we really like our position and really are very high expectations for that team here in 2019.

Speaker 13

And as a follow-up, John, it

Speaker 7

sounds like your business is trending nicely in January and the tone seems positive overall. If it turns out that the factors you can't control such as macro and other factors don't cooperate, What sort of levers can you pull as the year progresses in terms of opportunities to tighten the belt, productivity actions, etcetera? Yes, Kevin. We one of the things that we would do is we look opportunistically at consolidating facilities maybe faster than we thought or planned. We are controlling SG and A tight as we go.

And I think as we see the year unfold, and we have talked about this in the past, we really need to see how the Q2 unfolds. It's a large quarter and that will tell us kind of how some of these macroeconomic environment things work out and we adjust from there. But certainly leading up through the Q2, we're going to control our SG and A pretty tight.

Speaker 3

Kevin, I'd also add this that over the past historical view of the company, those choppy areas have also been areas of terrific opportunity for Sherwin Williams. What you shouldn't expect is that we're going to stop adding stores or investing in innovation. Throughout those choppy years in the past, we are the ones that continue to invest in those areas that helped us kind of almost like a coil spring back when the market started to return. So we're going to continue to invest in our businesses in important areas. But to Alf's point, he reminds me every morning when I come in with a smile on my face talking about the sales flash that it's January.

And so we're very guarded, but we're optimistic.

Speaker 7

I appreciate the color.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Scott Mushkin with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your

Speaker 6

question.

Speaker 1

Scott, your line is live. You may proceed with your questions.

Speaker 17

Hey, guys. Sorry about that.

Speaker 6

I was on mute.

Speaker 17

And thanks for taking my question. So I feel like I'm beating a little bit of

Speaker 12

a dead horse, but I'm

Speaker 17

just trying to understand, I mean, obviously we've had some very bad data come in on housing and it kind of continues to dribble in that way. But you guys seem pretty bullish and your January is good and clearly

Speaker 11

weather was a big, big factor in the Q4.

Speaker 17

So I mean, do you think it's just you're taking share and that's what's driving it? Do you think there's been some fundamental improvement in I know January is a small month, but is there some fundamental improvement in the market or is it just simply, hey, we're taking some share here?

Speaker 2

Well, I do think we're taking share, Scott, based on our growth rates, particularly in residential repaint. But I would also say these are kind of odd times relative to historical cycles. We've seen a decoupling of growth in existing home turnover and growth in residential repaint and remodeling activity. So I think the short answer is, we're seeing a lot more So I think the short answer is we're seeing a lot more remodeling and redecorating activity done by homeowners who are planning to stay in place. And oftentimes, the decision to stay in place triggers investment in remodeling and redecorating.

I'd also say that to your point about uncertainty in the macro housing environment, we view that a significant portion of that as somewhat short term, much of which we'd attribute to the lack of affordable supply. And many buyers have been shut out of higher cost markets and the builders are almost unanimously working to develop lower cost product lines. We think they're going to figure this out. And in the short term, we've seen a step up in multifamily activity that's kind of filling the void, the void of the incremental housing demand. But the longer term, we think that the rate of household formation at this $1,300,000 to $1,400,000 level is sustainable.

And to us, that translates to incremental demand for housing over the next 5 years.

Speaker 17

Thanks for that, Bob. My second question is regarding you obviously increased the dividend quite substantially, and you're going to be buying back stock more than just what's being diluted by the share shares being issued. So I was wondering if you could kind of update us on where you're comfortable on your leverage, and what your goals are for capital return to shareholders? And thank you very much.

Speaker 7

Thank you, Scott. Yes, Scott. As John talked about, we're going to still pay down another $600,000,000 in debt in 2019. That should get our debt to EBITDA leverage below 3, and we're still targeting a long term leverage ratio of 2 to 2.5. As far as being specific about the share buyback, here's what I would say.

As we've talked about, we're getting back to our policy of and our historic policy. We're going to keep CapEx below the 2%. We're raising the dividend 31% to get back towards the 30% of prior year EPS. We believe that's the right place to be. And then absent M and A, we're going to buy our stock back.

So rather than giving you a definitive, we'll see how the year plays out.

Speaker 6

All right. Perfect. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Stephen East with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 18

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 11

This is actually Truman Patterson on for Stephen.

Speaker 18

Hey, thanks for taking my question. So first question I really wanted to focus on is your 2019 raw material outlook. Could you guys just break apart that basket and give me your views or give us your views on kind of the titanium dioxide versus the oil derivatives?

Speaker 2

Yes. And before I get into that, Truman, let me it's worthwhile pointing out that obviously the majority of the inflation that we anticipate in 2019 is actually from annualizing raw material increases that we incurred in 2018. So you recall that we saw a pretty meaningful step up in raw material costs, particularly in the petrochemical side of the basket mid year last year. And so we're going to go 2 quarters before we annualize that. From a kind of a pieces part standpoint, we think supply and demand in North American TiO2 is kind of at an equilibrium level that should result in fairly stable pricing.

The decline in the cost of the petrochemical feedstocks that we've talked about should result in some sequential declines in the cost of resin, latex, plastic packaging, solvents and some of the additives, but it's difficult to predict when these commodities will show year over year declines. It's also important to keep in mind that downstream from the feedstocks I mentioned to the monomers and the resin intermediaries, there are supply demand dynamics that will affect price movement. So it's not just a matter of cheaper propylene translates to cheaper resins. Metal packaging has also been a real inflationary area over the past year due to the spike in steel and tinplate. And as steel prices reset lower, we should see some sequential improvement in the price of those products as well, but the timing is difficult to predict.

Speaker 18

Okay. Just kind of following up on that, I guess with Europe and China slowing and TiO2 bidding being a bit more of a global marketplace, have you guys seen any change in behavior from the TiO2 suppliers? And jumping over, if I could just play out a hypothetical on oil, if it remains down 15% to 20% throughout the year for the remainder of 2019, I guess, how would that change your expectations of your oil drive raw material basket? Would you guys expect that low single digit to actually drop fairly significantly?

Speaker 2

Well, the longer oil and the oil derivatives remain where they are, the more easing of inflation we should see. It's more of a timing issue than a matter of if. Assuming, of course, that the supply of the intermediaries remains sufficient. On TiO2, we have not yet seen softness in demand in Europe and probably less so in Asia Pacific translate to declining pricing in North America. And to the extent that that does not create slack in the chloride market that it really affects more sulfate product, you won't see a big move in North American chloride product.

So, right now, our outlook for TiO2 is stable and our outlook for the petrochemical side of the basket is it will decline slowly as these feedstocks remain down.

Speaker 18

Okay. Thanks for that. If I could sneak one more in on synergies, I appreciate you guys breaking out kind of 2018 versus 2019 expectations. But could you just remind us where the synergies are really hitting consumer, performance coatings, G and A? And I know you guys probably won't it will be difficult quantify, but maybe could you just give us some qualitative analysis on it?

Speaker 7

Yes, Truman, we've been reluctant to break out synergies by segment. But what I will tell you is in 2018, approximately 40% of the $180,000,000 was in cost of goods sold, the remaining in SG and A. And in 2019, at the midpoint $75,000,000 about 55% of that will be in cost of goods sold versus SG and A. And then just as a cadence for 2019, about 2 thirds of that 75% will be in our first half compared to a third in our second half.

Speaker 18

Okay. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks Truman.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Don Carson with Susquehanna Financial. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 19

Yes. Thank you. Couple of questions on Paint Stores Group. Just about 2.9% same store sales growth in Q4, how much was price versus volume? And what how would you expect that to break out in 2019?

And I'm just wondering, I assume that volumes were weak. Was it all weather related? That is that it hit was it hitting just exterior or was there something off in interior as well?

Speaker 3

Yes, Don, so a few questions there. First, price was approximately 2.5 percent in our North American stores. Same store sales in North America were up about 3%. When you talk about the interior and exterior, I would describe it this way. They were both up mid single digits, but both were below our expectations.

Speaker 2

Don, in terms of your question about weather impact, as we said on 15th, when you see a decline kind of mid quarter with a rebound at the end of the quarter, that doesn't that indicates us that it's something other than fundamental demand that is affecting our business in the middle of Q4. So and one only need look at weather data, particularly for the eastern half of the United States to know that a good portion of the country was underwater during the Q4. So it feels like it was some at least partial impact from weather.

Speaker 19

And then as you look out to 2019, what do you expect for the overall growth in the market on U. S. Architectural paints compared to 2018? I know, Bob, you've talked in the past about how you see a nice commercial outlook this year due to a high rate of completions. Would that plus a weather rebound lead to significantly higher growth in the market this

Speaker 2

year? Probably not significantly. I mean as a reminder, if you're breaking down the market, the industry, only about 6% or 7% of industry gallons go into commercial new construction. So a pickup in completions will help our business because it's a high share segment for us, but it doesn't drive market growth to a meaningful degree overall. It looks like kind of a mixed bag in U.

S. Architectural. Housing starts have been weak, but there was a jump up in housing in new home sales in November. If that drives a little more order growth going forward, that would be a good thing. Residential repaint activity, which is the largest segment in the pro market has been very strong for the last 5 years.

And based on very early indications, it continues to be strong. DIY, on the other hand, has been lagging over the last couple of quarters. And whether that is continued migration of business away from DIY toward do it for me or whether the DIYers just taking a pause, don't know. All of that, it's a little early to start calling rate of industry growth in 2019. But based on the macro drivers that we're looking at, it feels like 2.5 percent is a reasonable estimate.

We're not going to be off by too much at that rate of industry growth.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 12

Thank you. I don't break out Latin American earnings anymore, but the FX effect that you disclosed on the Americas segment seems like they took a pretty big hit to margins probably because of the translation. I don't know if you could comment on results qualitatively down there.

Speaker 7

Yes, John, you're absolutely right. We took a close to 20% or a little over 20% FX hit that really impacted both their sales. But that being said, that team has done a very good job of raising price. As you know, a significant portion of the raw material basket is U. S.

Dollar denominated. So as the currencies devalue, costs go up, and we've been chasing that with price and with controlling our SG and A and I would say their profit was positive year over year or I should say positive.

Speaker 3

Yes, we're making progress down there. The teams are working hard and to your point, we had a currency issue that we've had to deal with. But progress on the ground is it's moving in the right direction.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Mike Harrison with Seaport Global Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 19

Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 9

Wanted to go back to the comments on DIY activity. Just wondering with the government shutdown and a lot of folks not working, do you have any indications that some of those people grabbed the paintbrush and got to work on some home repainting projects during that time?

Speaker 3

Not really, but we strongly suggest that they do. I'd say it's hard to really pin that down, Mike. We do feel very comfortable as we've described a lot of things going in the right direction, but I don't think we can point to that as a driver or a speed bump for us.

Speaker 2

We haven't seen a change in buying patterns across the segments in January, a significant change from Q4 to January.

Speaker 9

Maybe that's an idea for your next marketing campaign.

Speaker 6

There you go.

Speaker 3

That's right.

Speaker 9

Then wanted to ask about the within China. You mentioned the outlook for consumer kind of lowtomidsingledigit, but outside the U. S. Would be softer. Can you just comment on kind of the trends you're seeing within the China consumer business?

Any sense that the Lunar New Year downtime is going to be worse or better than last year?

Speaker 3

I'd say our business in China, Mike, is going through a little bit of a transition as it relates to the Huarun brand on the architectural side. They've been predominantly a brand that's focused on a lot of the wood, interior wood that's been applied in home and much of that is shifting to a factory applied product. The benefit of Sherwin and Valspar coming together includes our ability to bring technology to them to help them differentiate. We don't want to just go over there and try to be the lowest supplier by any stretch. We want to bring technologies and brands and different features that we can help that team separate themselves from the competition as well.

So we're going through that transition right now and the strategy development is well underway and we're executing pieces of it, but there's a long way to go.

Speaker 9

All right. Thanks very much.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Mike Sison with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 20

Hey, guys. When you think about your outlook for 2019 in terms of the range, any thoughts on which variables are most impactful in terms of getting to the high end to low end? Meaning, is it will sales get you there, raw materials or synergy?

Speaker 7

Yes. It's always volume, Mike. That's always the lead. And as we see U. S.

Stores grow and some of these short term headwinds get annualized, we'll have a better feel for that. But demand is always the lead driver. If raw materials turnover certainly helps, but volume always drives the bottom line faster than anything else.

Speaker 20

Got it. And then if you get the pricing that's embedded in your guidance for this year, it sounds like stores certainly will have closed the gap. But just curious in terms of Performance Coatings and Consumer Group, whether they will be able to close the gap in raw materials this year?

Speaker 7

We have work to do in Performance Coatings for sure. And when you say close the gap, I look back to 2017 and the increases we took throughout 2017 and the fact that the Valspar businesses did not get the price increases that were needed. So we're still chasing that and we need to get it as we continue to offer the services that we do to these customers.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I think that last piece is a really important component, the services, the products and technology. As we continue to introduce more, as these companies come together and we're able to leverage the benefits of both companies and bring those to our supplier or our customers in a way that positions us as a stronger supplier, a better partner, helping them reach their goals. That's an important component in our ability to get the pricing as well. So, it's all coming together very well.

But to Hal's point, it's going to just take a little bit of time. We don't want to work with our customers. We want to keep the customer, but also work with them in a way that allows us to get the price as well.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Garik Shmois with Longbow. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 13

Hi. Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. Just a follow-up on the pricing outlook, the 2%. How much of that is already secured from 2018 actions versus how much new incremental pricing you need to secure to hit the guidance?

Speaker 7

Yes. We've talked about the store U. S. Stores. The effectiveness improves over time and we'll get to up to 75% over the 9 months.

So we're still working through that and the effectiveness is on track with where we expect to end with similar price increases. When you move to our other businesses, and we don't talk about those in detail as much just because they are more choppy and the timing and amounts and as you can imagine, the different businesses and different geographies have different load in rates. So we believe we're getting the effectiveness we need. We see that in our Performance Coatings performance in our Q4 in particular, and we'll see continued effectiveness as we go through 2019.

Speaker 13

Okay. Thanks. And then my follow-up is just on some of the launch costs and supply chain adjustments that you saw 2018 that lingered into Q4. Are any of those expected to continue into 2019?

Speaker 7

No. The program costs that we will talk about in the Q1 is just your ongoing costs and I'll just take the opportunity to as a reminder, our first quarter in consumer is a small quarter still. So, we're going to see the impact of the margin on those program costs that are, I don't want to say 100% fixed, but are pretty fixed. So in a small quarter on volume, we are going to take a hit on operating margin year over year.

Speaker 13

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Greg Melich with MoffettNathanson. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Hi, thanks. Got through a lot. So I just want to make sure I got the cash flow sort of targets and leverage right. If I look at your guidance and take the midpoint, it seems like free cash flow this year should be maybe a touch under 2,000,000,000 dollars And even if the dividend went up a lot, say to $550,000,000 and you paid down $600,000,000 of debt, does that mean buybacks probably be $800,000,000 or $1,000,000,000 or is there another moving piece in there that we're missing like the accounting change on leases or something else?

Speaker 7

No, there's not another moving piece. It will depend like I said, the share buyback will depend on M and A activity, but I think you're directionally accurate with the pieces.

Speaker 10

And I think you mentioned before that the accounting change on leases was maybe half a turn of leverage. Any update on that and when you're going to adopt the new standard?

Speaker 7

Yes. We'll adopt the new standard in 2019 and we'll see an increase in assets and liabilities of about $1,700,000,000 to $1,800,000,000

Speaker 10

$7,000,000,000 to $1,800,000,000 And the impact on the leverage ratio?

Speaker 7

You know what, the leverage ratio, when you look at it from the rating agency standpoint, they're already factoring in a portion of that. So, but yes, you think about $3,000,000,000 plus EBITDA, $500,000,000 or $700,000,000 somewhere in that range.

Speaker 6

Got it. All right.

Speaker 10

That's really helpful. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Greg.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dmitry Silversteyn with Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon and thanks for staying around to take my call. Just wanted to sort of go back to your outlook for the year. And I know you guys aren't big in construction exposure in Europe, but if there was one sort of theme that's come through this earnings call season is that European construction and building construction market is probably as bad as anybody has seen that. Outside of your U. K.

And maybe some other regions presence in

Speaker 6

terms of

Speaker 4

paints, Are you exposed to the construction market in Europe in any meaningful way through either general industrial or coil or industrial wood type of businesses in Performance Coatings?

Speaker 3

Yes. Coil would be a component, Dmitry, to your point that if it remains down significantly that it could have an impact. But there we've got a pretty diversified business. And to be truthful with you, the market share that we have versus the opportunity, I'm not too worried about that right now. We've got a lot ahead of us to accomplish there.

So, we're pedal to

Speaker 2

the metal here in coil Europe. We also have some industrial wood exposure in Europe that's been soft as well. And when we acquired those businesses back in 2010, they made a point about the fact that they have a pretty solid joinery business, which would go into primarily residential construction.

Speaker 4

Okay. So there's a little bit of exposure, but certainly not anything that is untoward in terms of impacting your ability to grow.

Speaker 3

No, but in the spirit of transparency, I did mention earlier that the European market for our Performance Coatings business was the softest in 2018 and that's continued as we've finished the first lap here with January.

Speaker 4

Got you. Thanks. And then just staying with Performance Coatings, you put up a flat year over year margin in terms of operating profit line in the Q4. It sounds like still you expect a little bit of maybe negative margin delta for the first and maybe even the 1st two quarters next year. So can you explain or can you provide some visibility on sort of what drove the margin parity in year over year?

Was it sort of getting the last chunk of Valspar synergies for the year hitting the Q4? Was it some raw material movements or pre buying or the price increase that you put in? I'm just trying to understand why I shouldn't be modeling continuing progression in margins in terms of year over year improvement for this business given how strongly you finished in the 4th quarter.

Speaker 7

Yes, Dmitry. As I said, the pricing comes in differently than it does in our stores. It's not as uniform. So certainly, we saw some price impact our Q4 sequentially from the Q3 and certainly year over year. I think the team has done a very good job at managing their expenses.

They have done a very good job of integrating and getting synergies faster than what was planned. There's more work to do. But as we get in further into the integration, we start getting into formulation changes, facility consolidations and the like, and they take longer and the savings are harder to predict on timing. I would say, just sequentially, you're right. Our first half from a raw material standpoint is going to be higher year over year, and we are continuing to put price in to offset that.

How well we and effectively we can implement that, I will tell you if we could start seeing margin expansion in our first half versus I agree with you for sure, in our second half.

Speaker 4

Okay. Okay. Thanks a lot. That's all I got. Thanks, Pete.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rosemarie Morbelli with G. Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 21

Thank you and good afternoon everyone. I was wondering one area we didn't really talk about is packaging and if you could give us a little more details in terms of the non BPA and then businesses which are not non BPA related?

Speaker 3

We're very pleased with the performance of our packaging business, one of the strongest that we have. We have a very unique technology in our product. It's a V70 product that is leading application and coverage product. So, we're excited about the growth that we're gaining here because of the ability for this product to run smoother and more efficiently in the plants of our customers. And so we're out.

We're getting more and more approvals from the various influencers and owners, and we've had tremendous success getting the product online and demonstrating the value that can be generated. Even though the product might be slightly more expensive, that overall the applied cost of this product is a savings an efficiency enhancement to our customers. So really excited about where this team is going.

Speaker 21

So if we look at Europe and the slowdown and the decline in almost every category, packaging still grew beyond what the market did? I

Speaker 3

think it's fair to say better than the market, but in Europe last year, they had some dynamics in packaging that affected the overall market that we were impacted by as well.

Speaker 21

What was that?

Speaker 3

Well, if you look at things like the harvest of product or food and the impact that it's had on our customers, that has a direct impact on us.

Speaker 21

Okay. So we are talking about vegetables and we are also talking about fishing, I presume?

Speaker 3

Yes, I'd say as a group overall. There's we try to avoid having discussions about weather and vegetables on our earnings

Speaker 21

calls. Sorry. If I understood properly, the level of buyback is going to depend on whether or not you are going to have any M and A. So when I'm sure you have a long pipeline, but when you look at it, is there something that you could say could be imminent or pre year end 2019 that you could close or announce?

Speaker 3

I would just say that we're in discussions, some stronger and we're more optimistic than others. But there's a long way to go and a lot of I's to dot and T's to cross. So I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here. We're having good discussions, so I'd leave it at that.

Speaker 21

Okay. Thanks. And if I may just sneak one in. If we are looking at the same store comps, 2019 over 20 18, are we looking at a similar 5% growth?

Speaker 3

I'm sorry, could you repeat that question?

Speaker 21

Sure. Same store growth, 2019 versus 2018, similar growth at the 5 percent level more or less?

Speaker 7

More or less. Yes.

Speaker 21

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Justin Speer with Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 15

Hey guys, thanks. Couple of questions. One for housekeeping, can you tell us what the pre tax dollars are associated with that $0.48 transaction integration costs, where those reside in the P and L and what that is on a pre tax basis would be helpful.

Speaker 5

Yes. On the transaction and integration cost, about $40,000,000 of it is cost of goods and $26,000,000 is cost of goods and $21,000,000 of SG and A.

Speaker 15

Okay. And then a couple of questions on the fundamentals. Just looking at your as it pertains to the Q1 and thinking mapping that out, can you remind us what the monthly comparison was for growth last year, January, February, March in the core Americas business?

Speaker 7

We won't bring it up by quarter, but we had a very we had a pretty strong Q1 last year.

Speaker 2

I want to say the comp was 5.2. 5.2 was the comp, yes.

Speaker 15

But that's stepped down from like 8.2 percent in the Q4 of 'seventeen down to I recall that the weather was pretty cold last year in the Q1, which I don't know how that affects your comparisons this year. We'll see. But I recall that growth stepped down in the Q1 last year versus the Q4.

Speaker 7

That's correct. But you also had the effect of 2 price increases essentially in our Q4 of 2017, because we went out October 1, 'seventeen versus December 1, 'sixteen. So that moved it a

Speaker 6

little bit as well.

Speaker 15

Okay. And then on that price cost front, in terms of the price cost dynamics that you're thinking through, particularly as you're kind of baking in assumptions for implied margin for 2019, thinking about price cost for raws and non raw cost inflation. If you were to snap the line today, how much margin tailwind are you achieving from what you already have in hand in relation to that cost bucket in terms of margin accretion for 2019?

Speaker 7

We are just not going to break out what we think our margin growth is going to be. But as I mentioned, the 12.8% increase, EPS at the midpoint, it tells you we're going to have margin expansion in the year.

Speaker 15

Excellent. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jeff.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Eric Bossard with Cleveland Research Company. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 15

The 4% to 7% total sales growth guidance for 2019 seems to imply an acceleration relative to the 2018, which I think was 4.7% that you said. And I know the 4% to 7% is a range, but in the midpoint of that range, what businesses grow faster in 2019 than they grew in 2018?

Speaker 3

Well, our stores will have to grow. They'll carry it, Eric, as you know. I mean, they're the engine of the company. So we have high expectations there. But as you go across the industrial businesses, we feel as though the Performance Coatings business would be as a group probably the 2nd fastest growing and then our consumer group in the low to lower single digits.

Speaker 15

And the improved growth in 2019 relative to 2018 from it sounds like stores and Performance Coatings, is that market growth? Is that price? Is that market share? Which one would stand out the most within that for both of those?

Speaker 3

They would all be key levers that we're using. We do believe that our market share growth is an important lever, but we certainly see opportunities across all of those that you just mentioned.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Christopher Pirallo with Bloomberg. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 12

Hi, guys. Quick question on the debt this year. Is the plan to retire the outstanding debt that's due in 2019?

Speaker 7

Yes. That $300,000,000 that's due in June, we'll retire that, plus we'll retire another $300,000,000 in short term that we had outstanding.

Speaker 12

All right, great. And then a technical question in terms of the weather and in terms of actual application of paint. Is there anything that precludes indoor painting at a certain temperature threshold if it's below 50? Have you seen slowdown in interior application in the past?

Speaker 3

No. The only impact, Chris, would be that if the projects themselves are pushed back, right, due to weather or temperature, rain, whatever it might be, but the application indoor, if it's a protected environment, the ambient conditions are typically such that they can apply what they need to apply.

Speaker 12

All right. Thank you, guys. Have a good

Speaker 6

weekend. Thanks, Chris.

Speaker 1

Thank you. It appears we have no further questions at this time. So I'd like to pass the floor back over to Mr. Marikris for any additional concluding comments.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jesse. I'd like to close this morning by taking a moment to acknowledge the contributions of a valued member of our management team over the past 17 years. Since 2002, Bob Wells has been the voice of Sherwin Williams to the investment community. Over the years, Bob has built a stellar reputation on Wall Street for his industry expertise, candor, integrity that has served both the company and our shareholders well. What you may not know is that Bob has also been a tireless public policy champion for our company, a community ambassador and a trusted advisor to me and the members of our management team.

For the past year and a half, Bob has been grooming Jim Jay to assume responsibility for Investor Relations for the company. I know many of you have met Jim, spoken to him by phone or perhaps knew him before he joined Shawn Williams. He's a seasoned and talented executive and I have the utmost confidence in his abilities. On June 1 this year, Jim will take over the lead Investor Relations role and Bob will shift his focus to some important organizational development projects. Between now June 1, Bob will continue to serve in his current role attending conferences, participating in roadshows and along with Jim, returning your calls over the next few days.

I wanted to make this announcement today to give you the opportunity to wish Bob well when you see him. With that, I'd like to thank you for joining us today and thank you for your continued interest in Sherwin Williams.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Again, we thank you for your participation and you may disconnect your lines at this time.

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