Good morning. Thank you for joining The Sherwin Williams Company's conference call to discuss its update on Q3 and full year 2021 expectations and its announcement to acquire Specialty Polymers Incorporated. With us on the call today are John Marikis, Chairman, President and CEO Al Mistishan, CFO Jane Cronin, Senior Vice President, Corporate Controller and Jim Jay, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications. This conference call is being webcast simultaneously in listen only mode by Issuer Direct via the Internet at www.sherwin.com. An archived replay of this webcast will be available at www.sherwin.com beginning approximately 2 hours after this conference call concludes.
This conference call will include certain forward looking statements as defined under U. S. Federal Securities Laws with respect to sales, earnings and other matters. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which such statement is made. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
A full declaration regarding forward looking statements is provided in the company's press release issued yesterday evening. After the company's prepared remarks, we will open the session to questions. I will now turn the call over to Chairman, President and CEO, John Marijques.
Good morning and thank you for joining us. I'd like to begin with a few brief comments about yesterday's press release, after which we'll turn to your questions. Let me start with the demand environment. Demand remains robust across our pro architectural and industrial end markets. Many external indicators remain positive, including housing starts, home price appreciation, the Architectural Billings Index and the manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index to name a few.
As always, our most important indicator is our customers. They continue to report strong backlogs and tell us they're eager to do more. Additionally, our new account activity is elevated. We expect demand to remain strong well into 2022. Demand is not the issue.
We are ready to meet this demand. We continue to invest in stores, sales reps and our digital platform. We continue to bring innovative products and solutions to the market. We have significant production capacity available today And we're bringing 50,000,000 gallons of incremental architectural production capacity online over the next two quarters. Our capabilities are not The issue continues to be persistent and industry wide raw material availability constraints.
As you know, we first began reporting on this issue following winter storm Yuri in February. Recovery of suppliers This has consistently been slower than has been communicated to us all year with some suppliers still not back to pre storm operating levels 7 months later. The situation in Texas was exacerbated by Hurricane Ida, leading us to decrease our Q3 sales guidance earlier this month. September supply did not improve as anticipated, leading us to narrow our Q3 outlook yesterday. While we typically do not provide quarterly earnings guidance, in an effort to remain fully transparent, we have opted to do so At this time, given the extraordinary and rapidly changing circumstances we continue to see in the market.
After further evaluation, our suppliers are now reporting that the impacts of Hurricane Ida are more severe and will be longer lasting than initially thought. Production of several key resins, additives and solvents expected to resume by late September have been pushed out likely to the end of October or even longer in some cases. As a result, we now expect raw material availability issues to negatively impact sales by a high single digit percentage in the 4th quarter. With raw material supply so constrained and October being the largest month of Q4, there's simply not enough time to make up the sales shortfall by the end of the year. For this reason, along with the narrowed 3rd quarter outlook, we are reducing our full year 2021 sales and earnings guidance as described in our press release.
The good news is that we're confident the majority of sales delayed by these conditions will be recovered over future quarters as raw material availability improves. We will continue to partner closely with our suppliers to improve supply while employing all of our best in class assets to reduce the impact on our customers near term. In addition to the significant supply challenges, raw material pricing remains highly elevated. We are increasing our full year raw material inflation and outlook to be up high teens percentage compared to last year. We continue to combat these elevated costs with pricing actions across our businesses.
We are maintaining staffing in our manufacturing facilities to ensure we quickly meet the demand as raw material availability issues subside. While maintaining these costs puts additional pressure on our 3rd and 4th quarter earnings, we are committed to providing the resources necessary to drive our customer success. Given everything that has occurred year to date, we've also told you that we have been looking at every to further strengthen and diversify our supply chain so that future natural disasters in the Gulf region will be less impactful to us. We're pleased to announce an important step in that direction with our agreement to acquire Specialty Polymers Inc, a leading manufacturer and developer of water based polymers used in architectural and industrial coatings and other applications. The business operates production facilities in Oregon and South Carolina and will enable us to expand our existing internal resin manufacturing capability.
The transaction is expected to close by the end of 2021. Revenue of the business was approximately $112,000,000 last year, inclusive of sales to Sherwin Williams as a manufacturer of proprietary polymers. The business will report its sales in the Performance Coatings Group operating segment. We're excited to welcome Specialty Polymers 150 talented employees to Sherwin Williams, including chemists, engineers and logistics experts upon the close of the transaction. In addition to Specialty Polymers' significant current manufacturing capacity, we see the opportunity to add 1,000,000 of pounds of additional capacity to their footprint in the near term with relatively minimal investment.
This additional capacity will allow us to better serve the Sherwin Williams and Specialty Polymers have had an excellent long term relationship with Specialty Polymers serving as a key partner for Sherwin Williams for many years. This deep familiarity and our complementary cultures should ensure a quick and seamless integration. We look forward to significantly growing this business. In closing, while our updated guidance reflects industry wide near term challenges, we remain extremely confident and our long term prospects. We have the best team in the industry with a proven history of execution, the best assets in the industry and deep customer and supplier relationships that will enable us to emerge as an even stronger company.
And now, we're happy to take your questions.
Thank you. And a confirmation tone to indicate your line is in the question Thank you. Our first question is from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Thank
I guess for my first question, which raw materials specifically are sort of limiting your production in 3Q? And is it the same constraints for 4Q as well from a raw material standpoint or are there new ones? And then related to that, the $0.85 EPS reduction at the midpoint, How much do you attribute towards the current raw material scarcity issues?
Yes. Good morning Ghansham. This is Jim. I'll take the first one and then kick it over to Al for your second question. So as we've said, we've been seeing inflation in the resins, latex, basket, additives and solvents and even packaging.
So I'd say propylene, HDPE, cold rolled steel, all of those are highly elevated over last year and they've increased sequentially for several months. We're also seeing on epoxy resins, they also remain pretty elevated year over year. And at this time, TiO2 inflation remains fairly modest. Hey Ghansham, this is Al. I'll compare it to your point, the 8.45 versus the 9.30 as in previous guidance, mid-twenty.
And I'll bring that up as impact for the second half perspective. And as you mentioned, gross profit All of the reduction in EPS for the second half of the year, partially offset by lower SG and A, including admin and expense in a Slightly lower tax rate. And as you know, volume growth is the biggest driver of profit and operating margin improvement and or decrement. The Sales volume net of incremental price will have approximately 2 thirds of the decrease And our gross profit, the other third of the reduction is represented by increased raw material costs, which we raised our full year from mid teens to high teens percentage and then supply chain inefficiencies with lower production volume. And as John mentioned, we're maintaining our staff our full staffing in our production facilities, so we can convert any additional raw materials quickly.
And those two factors are split 75%, 25% of that remaining 35%. So Just to kind of recap it, volume is about 2 thirds of the reduction. You have raw material inflation and supply chain and inefficiencies. The other third and that third is with 75% raw materials and 25% supply chain.
Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks so much. And then for my second question, in terms of some of the homebuilders that have reported recently and the supply chain constraints they've talked about including materials, including paint. Is there a risk that it actually starts to impact your demand as we kind of cycle into 2022?
And are you seeing the same supply chain constraints impact some of your customers in the other big end markets within TAC?
Well, I'd say a few things to that Ghansham. First, as a reminder, when you look at the cost of goods, paint represents about 15% of total. So, the impact from a cost perspective is fairly minimal. But to your point about the availability, we take very seriously the impact This has on our customers and you bring up a very important segment to us. Our new residential customers are key to our business And we realize that the impact here of not just our product, but as you mentioned, the entire supply chain can have impact can impact family's ability to move into their homes.
So, we take it very seriously. I do believe that our ability as it relates to Sherwin Williams and our ability to be there with our customers in a way that few other suppliers can be differentiates us. And That gives us great confidence. When we look at adversity right now, We think that it plays to the advantage of the company. We can respond better than our competitors.
We do believe that our reps and We're uniquely positioned to be responsive and we're closer to these customers now than ever. We're forecasting better. The collaboration is better. So this is a cycle. There's a little bit of bump in the road here.
We'll get through this And we are focused on making our customers better through this process. And as we bring these solutions to these customers, we think that We're going to help them and as a result, our goal is to be a better and more meaningful part in their success.
Thanks for that, John. Yes.
Thank you, Ghansham.
Our next question is from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks very much. You said you were expanding your capacity, your architectural capacity by 50,000,000 gallons. Can you remind me what percentage expansion that is of your domestic architectural capacity?
Jeff, we don't want to disclose the percentage of our capacity at this time. Okay.
As you can imagine, 50,000,000 gallons is a significant, meaningful expansion.
Okay. You said your raw materials would be up high teens for the year. Does that mean that in the 3rd Q4, they should be Up over 20%?
Yes.
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Jeff.
Our next question is from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, this is Steve Haynes on for Vincent. Thanks Just wanted to maybe come back to market share on some comments that you just made in the response to A prior question. You're maintaining some service levels. Is there any evidence that, I guess, some of your initiatives are already driving some potential market share gains for Sherwin?
Yes. We have a number of metrics that we watch. I mentioned in my prepared remarks Our new account activity, I'd also add our net promoter score is at a record level right now. And as you know, these are customers that are When asked promoting our brand versus those that are negative detractors of our brand. So, we look at New accounts, we look at share of wallet.
We absolutely do believe, as I mentioned just a moment ago, that None of us hope or chase these types of issues, but a company like ours, we're trying to change and leverage adversity into An opportunity. And we believe right now that when you look at what we're doing, I think it speaks to the confidence that we have. This year as an example, we're going to open 82 net new stores, 51 of those will be in the back half of the year. We are open for the year 116 reps, 52 of those will be in the back half of the year. The announcement that we just made in the resin capability, It supplements our existing suppliers and gives us this capacity.
Jeff just asked about the additional capacity coming on, bringing on 50,000,000 gallons of In fact, we've not talked a lot about it, but we announced the acquisition that we made Last quarter in Germany, protective and marine business. And my feeling is this, your question is a good one. And I think the steps that we're taking and the confidence that we have in the investments and the position that we have Should speak volumes. Yes, we're growing market share. We're going to come out of this aggressively with more customers and a larger share of the wallet of the existing customers.
And there's a great amount of experience in this company. They all understand, our leaders understand, our job is not to report results, to influence results. We're talking here today about some issues that have impacted Our ability to make paint, but what we do have in control, our ability to get in front of our customers, work with them, stay close with them and help them solve their problems has not And we're committed to doing that.
Steve, I would just add to that. We believe it's a similar environment that we experienced in 2,008 and 2009 We had the financial crisis and the housing decline and then we saw and we continue to invest in that period, 10, 2011, 2011, 2012 raw material Cost increases were significant relative to TiO2. We continue to invest in that period. And from 2000 Coming out of 2,009, our 3, 5 10 year compounded average growth rates in TAG were at high single digits, which we believe was a multiple of the market and accelerated our growth. And from 2013 through 2016, Our gross margin expanded almost 600 basis points due to the pricing coming in, raw materials flattening out And we were able to maintain a significant portion of that price.
We expect the same kind of results as we come out of this environment.
And that's exactly why we commented about even the commitment we made staffing in our manufacturing distribution facilities in our stores. All of these are designed to capitalize on the point that Al just made. There might be uncertainty in when supply comes on, But there is certainty on our ability to deliver and to keep our commitment to our customers and we absolutely expect to be much stronger coming out of this than we did coming into this challenging time.
Great. Thank you.
You bet. Thank you, Steve.
Our next question comes from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets.
Environment, remember back to 'eight, 'nine, there were 3 price increases put in and ultimately, you were able to recoup some of the raw material inflation. When we think about this availability issue, should we assume now that your visibility Is better and I guess I'm just asking the question because obviously now you've been able to put out an actual EPS number. So Does that mean basically that you know kind of what your sales are for the rest of the year in a range and your customers are basically making commitments and you have enough raws to satisfy that demand. Is that the right read on today's announcement or yesterday's announcement?
Arun, let me start and I'll throw it over to I'd say right now our visibility is relatively low. There could be some modest improvement in November as the key raw materials The key raw material sites restore power and nitrogen back into their manufacturing. I'd say right now we're utilizing our global assets and our entire base of resources to Fill the gaps and that means getting raw materials and finished goods offshore. We're using our fleet of trucks to pick up and drop off materials, monomers, polymers, everything we can to uniquely position our company in this challenging time. But it is a challenging time and our visibility is limited.
We've had commitments from some of our as they got deeper into the startup, they found issues that pushed back their estimates of being able to supply us. And that's exactly why we're adjusting today as it speaks to the future metrics and forecast.
Yes. Arun, I'd say we try to take a thoughtful approach when issuing sales and earnings We want to follow through any sales impacts, whether it's a Q3 where we just give sales guidance. We felt like It's late in the quarter. We should be able to give you a 3rd quarter EPS guidance. But on the full year, we want to follow through any of those sales impacts Down through EPS and whether that's the price raw, cost inflation, supply chain impacts.
And I know in this uncertain environment, it would be easy just to pull guidance, but we don't want to we want to provide as much Clarity and transparency to our shareholders in The Street as we can. And as we did last year in that environment, as Things materially changed. You can count on us and trust that we'll provide updates to The Street as we see them. October 26, we have our Q3 earnings call. The longer we go into the year, we have a better line of sight For the full year, we'll give you an update at that time and then certainly in our January call, we'll give you an update on BA sales and outlook for 2022.
Great. Thank you. And so a question on the future a little bit as well. So When you put in all these price increases, obviously, it does take some time to implement them and your customers have to then pass them on as well. Are you hearing any pushback on your customers being able to pass these price increases on?
At some point, I would imagine that They're feeling pressure from supply chain logistics, paint and several other areas. So What's the success rate on keeping these price increases going? And maybe if you can offer any thoughts that would help us there, that'd be great. Thanks.
Arun, thanks for that question. I receive that question frequently and I've often led with we rarely receive a thank you note as we raise prices. But I would say that this is an environment and we don't take it lightly. I mean, we fight like crazy to keep this to a minimum with our vendors and through our own continuous improvement efforts so that we're not outpushing price. But we do find ourselves In an environment when it's necessary, but the environment goes well beyond paint and coatings.
And I think for the most part, our customers Understand that the situation is what it is and that our goal is to help them to remain healthy and to grow and reach their goals and That we need the same. And so our belief is that as long as we're bringing solutions that help our customers to be successful, help them to be profitable, help them to be more efficient, then we are in a good position to be able to push these prices in. And we believe that we're executing on that. Now that said, we don't take it for granted. As I mentioned, we're continuously looking at efficiency efforts.
We're continuously looking at ways to make our customers more That's the way we gauge our success. When our customers are more successful, we're more successful. That said, I would tell you, we're not running the company for the perfect The investments that we talked about a couple of times already in our distribution, in our manufacturing facilities, the staffing in our stores, Some of these are we run the company with a long term view in mind. And so, my belief is that as the raws come up And we're better able to serve our customers that loyalty that we speak to and what we measure constantly with our customers will continue to improve.
Thanks.
You bet. Thanks, Erinn.
Our next question is coming from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your
Thank you. Good morning. Sorry if I missed this, but do you still expect price increases to fully offset raws for the full year?
Yes, David. No, I think we're going to because we've seen a significant increase in the second half of the year and into our Q3, We're going to be chasing the raw material increases into the first half of next year, in particularly on our Performance Coatings across all businesses, but because our Performance Coatings group has taken Probably 60 plus percent of the raw material increase of the company and they are Increasing in the second half rapidly or more rapidly than the other businesses, they're going to chase it. And this is not for lack of effort. If you look at the second half operating margin, we're going to see some pressure. But you look at the dollars and we're With the strong volume and the price increases getting close to being at least to capture the dollars year over year in our second But there's more to go.
Lot of determination, though, David. As Al mentioned, the timing as it rolled in here in the back half On the industrial side, we're working that through. But if you look at the history of the company and what we've learned through the Valspar acquisition and The conviction that we have, there's a lot of determination to get this. We will get it.
Got it. And just last thing, incentive compensation, can you discuss the impact In the back half of the year, how much the accruals now lower and what that can mean for a tailwind or headwind for next year on incentive comp? Thank you.
Yes, Steve, we won't get into the specifics on the accrual. Just to understand, we had a very strong second half last year. You look at Our sales were up 7% in the second half last year with flow through over 40% and that was through each segment. So naturally, We had nice incentives for the teams, but we won't get into the specifics on changes in the accrual.
Thank you.
Thanks, David.
Our next question is from the line of John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. It seems like you just finished the capacity rationalization that was the last part of the Valspar integration. How was the new capacity you're adding different from the How was the new capacity you're adding different from the capacity that was closed?
Yes, I think this is primarily architectural Capacity expansions, some of the smaller sites that we took out were mixed between architectural and industrial, but This is primarily architectural. We don't talk about some of the other expansions in capacity we have, but certainly with the strong We see in packaging. We're investing in capacity expansions there to keep up with that strong demand. I'd say, John, it's specific to architectural business.
Okay. And then how
Yes, I think that's true and in particular John, TAG Ag is taking a bigger impact on architectural than in our consumer business. Ag Ag represents about 70% of the reduction in consolidated second half sales. The rest of that will be Pretty much, I would say, an immaterial impact on Performance Coatings.
Thank you. Thanks, John.
The next question is from the line of Oliver Wintermazzle with Evercore for ISI. Please proceed with your questions.
Yes, good morning guys. I had a question regarding the acquisition. Is this Acquisition going to help you in the short term with the shortages we're seeing? And if it closes by the end of the year, should we expect that to have like increased volumes again by the Q1?
Yes, Ali, I'd say on the short term, We expect a very modest increase in capacity. We will employ our continuous improvement programs into SPI as quickly as possible, but we expect a significant increase in capacity in the longer term And we'll invest, it will be a minimal investment. We'll invest in additional capacity there with a very attractive ROI. But This is clearly a longer term view, not only in the capacity. I mentioned in my prepared remarks, It's also a little bit of a diversification from a geographic perspective as well.
These plants on the East Coast and West Coast get us out of the heavy reliance On the coast down in Louisiana Houston area. So, we're clearly looking long term here and we actually think that This is going to help us not only with our ability to supply, but it will help our existing suppliers as well. Working with them, we really believe this will be a needle mover for our company.
Got it. And my follow-up is on The price increases that we saw this year. So if our math is half right, so if you take all the three increases and use maybe or assume a Two thirds realization. Is it fair to assume that that would combine to basically 10% increase? And then if volumes would be flat next year, is that a flow through of about 10% just because of price on sales next year?
Is that the right way to think about it?
I think your so I'll use tag, high single digits is probably what we'll see in the Q4. If we did nothing else with price, It'd be lower than that because you annualized the February 1, you annualized the August 1, you annualized the September 20. That being said, the 4% surcharge we put in place September 20 is likely going to be converted to a price increase early in 2022.
Got it. Thanks very much. Good luck.
Thanks, Ali.
The next question is coming from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, good morning. Just a few follow-up Questions on the Specialty Polymers deal. What exactly do you buy from them today? And perhaps you could comment on the transaction value in multiple? And should we expect action value in multiple, and should we expect more of this sort of vertical integration deal moving forward, John?
Well, let me just start with, we've been developing and manufacturing resins insurance and maintenance for decades. And we'll continue to evaluate acquisitions that fit our strategy and help to strengthen our supply chain while improving our financial results. And there are areas that will make sense. I would Say there are areas that don't. We evaluated TiO2 in the past and determined that the financial and operating metrics do not fit our model.
So, I don't think that you should expect anything but the disciplined and thoughtful approach that we've demonstrated in the past. We have both near term and long term targets for SPS, I just mentioned. We don't think that this replaces the volumes that we're currently getting from our existing suppliers. We'll work with them to ensure that we meet our growth targets. They've supplied us on products Mainly that go into our TAG and our consumer brands group, but the financials here Worked very well and most importantly as we've been talking openly, our strategy It's simply understood.
We're going to take the steps necessary to serve our customers and eliminate problems for them. And this is an important Our ability to do that.
Yes, Kevin, we're not going to disclose the deal metrics specifically, but you can expect the deal to be accretive in year 1 with synergies. Okay. Thank you for that. And then secondly, On the subject of supply chain, a year or 2 ago, there was a lot of talk about reshoring, moving Manufacturing to the U. S.
From overseas. Does that make sense for Sherwin or with the opposite offshoring Perhaps make more sense given the Gulf Coast disruptions. And then secondly, are there things you can do in terms of reformulation or product of substitution? Thank you.
Well, so let me start with the latter question about the reformulation or substitution. Tushin, we do have a unique customer base and so close isn't close enough for our customers. So, while we do evaluate solutions and work those, we also work very closely with to understand that any changes that we make have a positive impact on our formulation. So Yes, we do evaluate those regularly. I would say as it relates to Supply, we are working closely with our existing suppliers, but I agree with your question is that We're also broadening our global reach.
And I'd say that as a result of that, we've evaluated and Looked at our entire portfolio of suppliers. We obviously want to work with those that have I've been good suppliers of ours that are capable and willing to supply us, but we have a commitment to our customers and we're going to take the steps necessary to secure the supply needed to be able to serve our customers.
Thanks very much. Thanks, Kevin.
The next question is coming from the line of Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Yes. Thank you. You've mentioned several different Forms of capacity additions and I just want to make sure I understand the motivation behind them. This 50,000,000 gallon number sounds like finished goods formulation and packaging maybe. Is that just simply a reflection of demand Growth for your products, nothing to do really with the raw material shortage As opposed to you also mentioned near term expansion of resin capacity, Is that really driven to assure you have the supply of resin or perhaps There's some technology there that you'd rather not outsource.
Just want to make sure We're clear on your motivations here.
Yes, Steve. I think the 50,000,000 gallon capacity addition that we spoke to is Architectural and that is in direct response to the confidence And line of sight we have to a growing architectural business and the commitment that we're making to our customers to be able to supply them, number 1. Secondly, Al mentioned increased investments on the industrial side. He named specifically packaging. That is a separate and incremental investment and a commitment to Packaging customers that we have and the commitment that we have in combining our efforts to grow that business aggressively.
We have unique technology, unique solutions there that help our customers and we're investing in that business aggressively and appropriately. Finally, the resin question that you asked is exactly We are working I would describe it this way. This acquisition allows us to work closely with our existing suppliers to holistically look at our supply and ensure that we have available resins to serve our customers and this additional asset that we're purchasing, as I mentioned, diversifies our footprint from a logistics perspective, but also does allow us to work with our suppliers to ensure that We're favorably positioned to be able to serve our customers with raw materials.
And just a follow-up on this resin capacity, John, is this is there more opportunity for you to cut your costs by being Back integrated into resin or is there really more certainty of supply or perhaps PI has Some technology, some resin technology or perhaps you have some resin technology that you'd rather build out your own capacity Rather than outsourcing it to other suppliers.
Yes. So, I'd say that The motivation right now, I would say, with the base of current suppliers that we have in a way that allows the combined and holistic view of the resin market and our capabilities to be responsive to the needs of our customers. There will be a return on that. We will invest. As I mentioned, it's a relatively minimal investment to increase Meaningfully, the capacity of SPI, but the real drive here is the commitment we have to our customers.
We are going to uniquely position this company to serve our customers. We're out talking regularly with our customers on why choosing Sherwin Williams makes sense, why an exclusive The arrangement with Sterling Williams makes sense and we're going to keep our commitment to our customers. Thank you. You bet.
The next question is coming from the line of Adam Baumgartner with Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning. Thanks You guys have talked about a lot of the internal steps you're taking to secure your supply, but you're still going to be reliant like you mentioned on 3rd party suppliers. Can you give us a sense for what your suppliers are doing from a long term perspective to avoid this type of situation in the future?
Yes, I'll let them speak to that themselves. I will tell you that we work closely with those suppliers on a number of different approaches. It's our view has in the spectrum everything from the Number of raw materials we're purchasing from them, the simplification of platforms to be able to be a better customer to them and as a result ensures supply and efficiency. We're working with many of them on a number of aspects of engineering to ensure that the product Consistency improves while throughput improves. So, we work closely with many of our suppliers And there are many who we work collaboratively on that help us.
Some of our larger customers I'm sorry, large of our We're working hand in hand with on how to efficiently develop our finished Products in a way that allow them to be efficient in developing the resins that go into them. So, it's pretty collaborative and what we understand From them a very unique approach oftentimes.
Got it. And then just looking at the updated consumer brands growth guidance, decline in 4Q than you previously thought after a bit better growth in the Q3. Is that solely due to the supply issues or are you seeing a bit weaker demand in that business than you maybe previously thought?
No, it's solely related to this availability issues.
Thank you. Okay.
Thanks, Adam.
The next question is from the line of Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Great, thanks. You maintained your Performance Coatings sales guidance.
Is that
mainly a result of higher pricing or there's some end markets that are performing better?
Volume is good. The demand is good. It's not simply pricing. We do have pricing going in. There'll be more pricing going in, but these teams are doing a terrific job And growing market share right now.
Okay. Thanks. And The demand side is quite good. I'm just kind of curious what you hear from paint contractors assuming some of these supply chain constraints Alleviate into next year. How are they particularly with respect to labor to meet demand or could there be an extended delay in when you see sales recover just because your customers are going to be struggling with such an expansive backlog?
Well, labor remains a concern for sure. We hear of projects moving out. Many of our Customers would be booked through the Q4 now into Q1 for sure, commercial and new residential even longer than that. I'd say on the commercial and new residential side, as the question came in earlier, I think it was Jeff's about the segments. The construction projects in total, the supply chain is under pressure.
So while paint plays a part of that, It's beyond just paint. We want and are working very aggressively to be The poster child for the ones that worked through this the quicker the quickest, I mean. And so, I would say that The contractors that we're talking to are feeling the pressure and are pushing more and more bids out. And we actually have I mentioned earlier about the adversity actually works to our advantage here. I mean, it does give us The line of sight that we have is actually increased.
We've also always enjoyed this controlled model, Our teams are working much closer with our customers right now, everything on what projects they have coming, when they're coming, What they're going to need and as a result of that, as I mentioned earlier, we absolutely are certain we're going to come out of this But what our customers are telling us really could be summarized in this way. The bids and demand is strong and our customer their customers are almost understanding of the situation and are willing to stand in line for their projects.
Got it. Thanks for that.
Yes.
Thanks, Garrett.
The next question is from the line of John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, thanks for taking my question. I guess the first one is just it seems like the supply chain issues have been an issue all year. And I guess, I'm curious what assurances you've gotten from your suppliers as to Their ability to bring up real production levels kind of meet your demand as we go into next year, or is there risk that this drags on and we may not see kind of the full coating season that we normally would in 2022. I guess, how are you thinking about that and how are you thinking about whether there is some risk around that or not?
Yes. John, I'd like to just clarify one point that you made when you said all year and I'm splitting But I think it's important to call out that we came through last year and even through January all the way until the February storm. We think we were kind of defying gravity. While many people were kind of limping through COVID and All the challenges there, we were really proud and had been recognized by a number of our customers for the way that we came through this. It really, really Hit us and we were impacted by the storm in February.
Nonetheless, it's impacted us now and things have improved, just not at the expected pace that we had forecasted. And you have to understand, these are really highly complex facilities that in many cases took Literally years to build and the repair process is complicated. The demand is strong and these plants will need to run hard when they catch up. We've been, as I mentioned earlier, Working very closely with our suppliers to ensure a better line of sight of what's coming on. This Hurricane that came in recently didn't help us at all.
And the impact that it's had on a couple of key areas, Resin and the impact that that has had on our architectural business has been significant. So Our expectations are that they're going to be continue to get better, but they're going to have to run hard and we're working closely with Our suppliers to ensure that our position in supply has continued to improve.
Got it. Fair enough. And then is there a way to think about the inventory restock that is going to be necessary just given the outages and it does look like at least across some of the platform, the Shelves aren't necessarily stocked at this point. So is there a way to think about or quantify what that incremental inventory just getting us back to normal type level might mean in terms of incremental volumes for next year?
Yes, John, I think we'll have a better line of sight in January for our Q1, but our plan right now is to We're operating in a make and ship mode. So, we're not going to build as much inventory in September, October like we typically have. November, December, as you see the architectural seasonality kick in, we're going to make as many gallons as we can and push that to the field, whether that's our tag Stores or retail partners to get the shelves in a better position. And then in the Q1, Assuming availability does improve, we'll start building inventory at the DSC level. We're still working through Those numbers as we speak.
So it's hard to say where we'll be at the end of the Q1 relative to where we were a year ago or 2 years ago. So More to come on that as we move closer to the end of the year and then into the Q1.
Got it. Fair enough. Thanks for
the color. Thanks, John. Our next question is from the line of Bob Koort with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you very much. Good morning. John, I was hoping maybe you could talk a
little bit about your
Supply arrangement with your suppliers, I think you mentioned they're helping you take care of these problems or trying to accommodate the problems. I would expect as a Consistent and stable buyer, you've got the most favored nation status with a lot of those suppliers. So a couple of questions around that. When you get to a force majeure situation, are those suppliers then obligated to go and find that extra product in the market for you at whatever cost and they pass it along, do you do that? And then how much of this third of your Earnings issue here is the exceptional nature of that procurement of having to find spot market purchases or pay more to move product supply, raw material supply from farther away.
Because I think from the outside, we can sort of track the cadence of overall pricing and inflation, but The exceptional nature of having to scramble when you have all these force measures is a little tougher for us to calibrate. Thanks.
Yes. I'd say, Bob, each relationship and approach is different with each Supplier, so I don't want to comment specifically on any one or try to generalize To represent everything, I will say this that we are aggressively pursuing the raw material necessary to supply our customers. And you're right that you can see some of that pressure in our margins and Our expectations from our suppliers right now include the steps to favorably put us in position to be able to serve those customers. And we have incurred greater cost ourselves as a company to be able to do that, moving We're capturing product on the market, on the spot market or in different parts of the world to get it here in an effort to serve our customers and we would expect that We would only expect that our suppliers are doing the same. We've worked hard for 156 years to secure these relationships with customers.
As I mentioned earlier, we're not running the company for the perfect quarter. And if we have to absorb a little bit of cost Short term and securing product to be able to serve our customers, we're going
to do
that. The pricing that We're putting in the market reflects what we believe to be the inflationary pressures on raw materials And those, yes, we're going to push through. And as I described earlier, our goal is to put our customers in a position to win, be and succeed and we want to be able to put our company in that same position. And our goal is to Help those customers to be successful and as a result, we're in a better position with those customers to ask the price to be able to do that.
Yes, Bob, on the cost side, We talked about 75% of the remaining third being raw materials. It's The most significant portion of that is ongoing raw material increases due to input costs. Yes, there's some spot buys, there's some other transportation type things in that number, but it's by and large due to ongoing Raw material input cost increases.
Got you. And is can you tell us what share of your revenue base might have a pass through where you don't have to argue so much about raw material inflation and pricing?
We won't give you an exact number, Bob, but it's a relatively small number.
Got it. Thanks very much guys.
Thanks Bob.
Our next question is from the line of Mike Harrison with Seaport. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, good morning.
Wanted to ask a couple
of questions here on the SPI acquisition. You had gotten some resin manufacturing capabilities when you bought Valspar. Can you walk through some of the similarities and differences with the specialty polymers business?
Well, the similarities would be that they are primarily architectural, Some industrial resins that would mainly feed our tag in our consumer business. I'd say the Valspar assets have been A terrific resource during these challenging times and that along with the long standing capacity and capabilities that Sherwin had Long before Valspar gave us the confidence that this would make sense to us. So, Mike, we think that We know these assets really well. They were toll producing for us. We know the teams well.
We have tremendous respect for the people as well as the assets and our plan is to invest in these assets with additional capacity given the familiarity that we have and the confidence That it will help us serve our customers while also serving our shareholders with a good return.
And I guess my second question related to SBI is, it sounds like they have been serving you guys As a customer, but also, presumably lots of other customers out there, given the current supply constraints, Do you have capabilities to say, well, we're going to shift a lot more of this production toward Sherwin needs And put the 3rd party customers on allocation? Or are you are they going to be obligated to still serve the other customers that Agreed upon volumes.
Yes, it's early on this, but I would say in general, we expect to continue to grow the external customer business There in the non Sherwin business, the focus and the opportunity that we have for growth This asset will be to support our internal use, but we believe the complementary nature of the Existing external business would be is going to be good for that business.
All right. Thanks very much.
Thanks, Mike.
The next question is from the line of Ken Zener with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your questions.
Good morning, everybody.
Hey, Ken.
Al, I think you said PCG. If you could clarify, you said it represents 60% of the raw increase and why would this vary so much from its share of sales?
Yes, Ken, it's because the raw material basket on the industrial side has just grown On a faster base, whether it's epoxy or solvents or the metal packaging that they primarily use. So it's just The type of raw materials that go in industrial have just increased faster than the rest of the basket.
Excellent. Second question, Given the cadence of the material shortage, so it's 3.5% in the second quarter with Initial expectations are better in the Q3, which became visible that that was high single digit drag, which Now has unfolded into Q4. Given the complexity of the whole material chain, isn't it reasonable to assume the Drags reduction might be in step as well, meaning if you have an 8% material drag, could give you 4% in the 1st quarter, Something less than a second. And I'm asking you that in reference to, should we think about the business sequentially given that Especially in tag, given that you have those constraints in place?
Ken, I'd say The wild card in your reasoning there was the Hurricane Ida, the impact that it had was the disruptor there. I think Our suppliers and the industry has done a really nice job of bringing really complex assets Back up and running and without question, we would like to see it faster and more efficiently. But You literally do have significant suppliers into our industry right now struggling to get power, struggling to get nitrogen, There are a lot of issues that they're dealing with that are siloed or separate from the February storm and the impact that that had. So, the other side of this that I would take ask that you take into account is that there has been a significant amount of preventative maintenance work that has been completed during this downtime, moved up earlier into the process that can help offset what would have traditionally been a cycle down period in the industry. So There's some puts and takes here.
And as I mentioned, the line of sight here is not perfect. Visibility is low, but Our expectations of our suppliers are high and growing as we go. And again, we're in a very unique position With the capacity that we have and the additional capacity that's coming on to be able to serve our customers. So we're going to be leveraged every ounce of that precious The material that we can get our hands on and turn it to our customers as quickly as possible as finished goods.
Thank you.
You bet.
The next question is from the line of P. J. Juvekar with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.
Yes. Hi, good morning.
Good morning, P. J.
John, there were a lot
yes, good morning.
There were
a lot of questions about raw materials. But can you talk a little bit about So the increased shipping costs, logistics, labor, that part of the supply chain is also tight. How big is that part in terms of the inflation? And then related question is, A lot of people saying that this was sort of these inflationary pressures are transitory, including Federal Reserve. You guys sit in the middle of it.
You guys have great insights. What do you guys think? Is it transitory? Do you think? Or is it going to continue to last for some time?
Well, let me start with your shipping question, the cost and availability. I would say that there is An absolute impact on shipping cost and availability without question. We are unique. We do have our own CTS or transportation company that we run that is again we believe another point of differentiation in our ability to move product through our 800 plus Semi tractors and nearly, I believe, 2,000 trailers. So we're able to move product Internally, as a point of differentiation and competitive advantage that we try to leverage.
But that said, we don't move everything inbound and certainly while we try to do as much as we can outbound, we don't do it all. So costs are impacting Our COGS as well as our service to our customers. And regarding inflationary and if It's transitory or not. Al, maybe I'll ask you to comment on that. Yes.
But one comment on cost of goods sold though, PJ, just As a reminder, I mean, 85% of our cost of goods sold is raw materials. The other 15 is broken out between a number of things, including labor, transportation like you talked about And other things, but they are we're feeling pressure. We're analyzing that as we get into next year. And when we look at our cost Total cost basket, we'll look at that as we look at the next round of price increases as well. As far as transitory is concerned, Yes.
I'd love to tell you that, hey, we're not going to see any more increases going into next year. I think the reality is There's a tight supply chain market. For supply chain, there's strong demand and We expect to see raw materials elevated for a period of time. I mean, I think that's the reality How long is to be determined, but our teams are focused on recouping those Raw material increases and other inflationary increases and we have to keep focused on that until we see something
Yes, the actions we're taking would say that we are expecting it to be a longer term than shorter term.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks, P. J.
Thank you. At this time, we're free to enter the question and answer session. I'll turn the call over to Jim Jay for closing
Yes. Thank you, Rob, and thank you everybody for joining us today. I hope you heard today in our comments that While we've updated our guidance here to reflect some near term challenges, just want to emphasize how confident we are in our longer term prospects and we're taking Many steps to ensure that we deliver solutions to our customers with the best team in the industry, proven history of execution, best assets and we're leveraging all of those to come out of this stronger. So thank you again for your interest in Sherwin. As always, myself and Eric Swanson will be available for your follow-up questions.
Have a great rest of your day. Thank you.
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