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Earnings Call: Q1 2014

Apr 29, 2014

Speaker 1

Good morning and welcome to McGraw Hill Financial's First Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. I'd like to inform you that this call is being recorded for broadcast. All participants are on a listen only mode. We will open the conference to question and answers after the presentation and instructions and will follow at that time. To access the webcast and slides, go to www.mhfi.com.

That's mhfiormcrawhillfinancialinc.com and click on the link for the Q1 earnings webcast. If you are listening by telephone, please note that there is an option available to synchronize the presenter slides to or telephone instead of the computer. After you log in to the guest book, you will see 2 windows side by side in the webcast viewer. Along the bottom The left hand window, click the gear icon and select Live Phone from the list. A line will appear over the sound icon indicating that and has been disabled through your computer speakers.

I would now like to introduce Mr. Chip Merritt, Vice President of Investor Relations for McGraw Hill Financial. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 2

Thank you, and good morning. Thanks to all on the line for joining us for McGraw Hill Financial's Q1 2014 earnings call. Presenting on this morning's call are are Doug Peterson, President and CEO and Jack Callahan, Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us is Ken Vitter, our General Counsel. This morning, we issued a news release with our results.

I trust you've all had a chance to review the release. If you need a copy of the release and financial schedules, that can be downloaded at www.mhfi.com. In today's earnings release and during the conference call, we're providing adjusted financial information. This information is provided to enable investors to make meaningful comparisons of the corporation's operating performance between periods and to view the corporation's business from the same perspective as management's. This earnings release contains exhibits that reconcile the difference between the non GAAP measures and the comparable financial measures calculated in accordance with U.

S. GAAP. Before we begin, I need to provide certain cautionary remarks about forward looking statements. Except for historical information, the matters discussed in the teleconference may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including projections, estimates and descriptions of future events. Any such statements are based on current expectations and current economic conditions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from results anticipated in these forward looking statements.

In this regard, we direct listeners to the cautionary statements contained in our forms 10ks and 10 Qs and other periodic reports filed with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission. I would also like to call your attention to a recent European regulation. Any investor who has or expects to obtain ownership of 5% or more of McGraw Hill Financial should give me a call to better understand the impact of this legislation on the investor and potentially the company.

We are aware that we do have some media representatives with us on the call. However, this call is

Speaker 3

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subsequent to this call. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Doug

Speaker 3

Thanks, Chip, and good morning. It was great to have a chance to meet with many of you during our recent Investor Day, and we thank you for your participation and feedback on the event. Amongst the key messages we delivered on Investor Day is our focus purposes, completing our portfolio rationalization and driving productivity savings are all part of this focus. The year is off to a solid start despite the decrease in global bond issuance. This morning we reported increases in both revenue and earnings for the quarter.

Platts and S and P Dow Jones Indices delivered double digit revenue growth driving the overall NHFI growth in the quarter. During Investor Day, we spoke about our global footprint and the opportunities we see for international growth. And during the Q1, international revenue growth of 7% was more than twice that of domestic growth. And during the quarter, we reported free cash flow of $85,000,000 and returned $246,000,000 in dividends and share repurchases, which continues to demonstrate our commitment Turning capital to shareholders. If we look at the financial performance during the quarter, revenue increased 5% year on year and 6% from organic growth.

Adjusted operating profit increased 8%. We achieved a 100 basis point improvement in the operating margin and adjusted diluted EPS increased 12%. The strength of our portfolio was clearly evident this quarter. Weak issuance hindered the growth purposes, but S and P Dow Jones Indices in Commodities and Commercial Markets delivered double digit operating profit increases. This chart shows how our non ratings businesses comprised 48% of operating profit, up from 41% a year ago.

S and P, Dow Jones Indices and Platts once only small parts of our Now let me turn to the individual business segments And I'll start with Stenor and Coors' rating services. During the quarter, revenue increased 1%, operating profit decreased 4%, The marketplace bond issuance was erratic during the quarter, but overall it was weak. Bank loan ratings on the other hand continued to show considerable strength. The increase in expense was due to investments in human capital in areas of the businesses where we're seeing increasing volumes as well as in data and technology. You'll note that the methodology for allocating unallocated expenses has changed for every business unit and you'll see that on the upcoming charts and Jack will discuss this in a moment.

You'll see on this next slide That non transaction growth in the quarter, which in aggregate to 9% was driven by annual fees, which increased by 6%. In addition, rating evaluation service revenue increased 33% as the Europe, Middle East, Africa region realized record revenue in this Transaction revenue from bond ratings in structured finance and corporate decreased as a result of lower bond issuance levels. Global bond issuance including sovereigns excluding sovereigns on a par basis decreased 10%. However, the number Issues was down 27%. Because of the tiered pricing associated with larger deals, our total revenue was negatively and interactive.

Bank loan ratings remained a bright spot, however, with total revenue increasing 19%. Consistent with 2013 trends, international growth continued to outpace domestic activity. International revenue increased 6% driven by record high yield issuance in Europe influenced by bank and litigation. In both United States and Europe, the Q1 will be the most difficult bond issuance comparison we face all year. As you'll see in the graphics on this chart, during the quarter, U.

S. Corporate and public finance issuance decreased 5% and twenty 6% respectively. Importantly, U. S. High yield issuance declined 38%.

You'll recall that in the Q1 of 20 13 high yield issuance was at a record level. Conversely in Europe, we saw record high yield issuance, Which increased 29%. In fact, this is one of the few times when European high yield issuance exceeded that of the U. S. While we are encouraged by the trends in Europe, structured finance issuance remains anemic.

Fortunately, the problems of weak issuance and lack of liquidity in capital flows are starting to be noticed by regulators. In a 6 page report published earlier this month, the European Central Bank and the Bank of England noted that regulation may be undermining Europe's economic recovery. In particular, they are concerned about the shrinking market for asset backed securities. The report cited the Standard and Poor's analysis, which showed the cumulative default rate on European structured finance assets between July 2007 and the 3rd quarter last year was only 1.5%. Now let me update you on developments on the litigation front.

36 cases have been dismissed outright, 13 dismissals by lower courts have been affirmed by higher courts and 11 cases have been voluntarily withdrawn. That leaves us with a couple dozen non government cases During the quarter, the company won a motion to dismiss with prejudice in the Space Coast case, which follows the initial dismissal a year ago. As a result of this decision, Space Coast will not be able to refile another amended complaint. Please note that the Space Coast is named by the government as one of the alleged victims in the Department of Justice Now in the DOJ case, on April 15, the court granted S and P's discovery motion to compel the government to produce relating to the independence or objectivity of ratings or rating agencies, documents relating to the conduct of mortgage lenders, financial institutions, and issuers of the securities and documents relating to Standard and Poor's rating services First Amendment retaliation and defense with certain limitations. This ruling will be very helpful to the company in its defense of the lawsuit.

In the consolidated state cases, We are awaiting a ruling by the Federal District Court in New York on the Attorneys General's motion to remand the cases back to the states. During the Q1, no new cases were filed. With that, let me now move on to S and P Capital IQ, which delivered top line growth of 4% this quarter. Excluding the lost revenue from ongoing portfolio rationalization of several small products, including Financial Communications, Fund Management Research Europe and ABS Exchange, Organic growth was approximately 6%. Operating profit increased year over year for the 3rd straight quarter and the margin increased modestly.

Another highlight of the quarter was the rollouts have begun on desktop capabilities, which I'll touch on in a moment. Now let me review the 3 business segments within S and P Capital IQ. S and P Capital IQ Desktop and Enterprise Solutions revenue increased 4%, principally driven by an 8% increase in S and P Capital IQ Desktop revenue. S and P Credit Solutions revenue increased 5%, driven by an 8% increase in Ratings express. And S and P Capital IQ Markets Intelligence revenue increased 2%, driven by a 26 percent increase in leverage commentary and data, which is known as LCD.

LCD is the preeminent provider of leverage finance news and analysis. The increase was largely offset by shutting down of FMR in Europe in Q4 of 2013. During Investor Day, Lew Eccleston discussed 5 new capabilities we are building for the S and P Capital IQ Desktop in 2014. Credit analytics was the first of these to launch. With these tools, users can now measure, monitor and manage the credit risk of companies in mature and developing economies with daily updated credit risk metrics.

The new analytic models and workflow tools combined seamlessly with S and P Capitalized Q Leading Fundamental Data and Research Addressing Needs of Credit and Financial Professionals. Now we're going to turn to S and P Dow Jones Indices. The business delivered another outstanding quarter with an 18% increase in revenue and a 43% increase in operating profit. This growth was primarily driven by increased licensing fees from ETF customers and from exchanges based on increased derivative trading volume. Approximately one half of the revenue However, was due to refinement of our revenue recognition for certain products, which Jack will explain shortly.

Our licensing agreement for the UBS Commodities Indices expires in June and the contract was not renewed. We will lose the revenue that associated with this product, we expect our recent action with the S and P GSCI index license will largely offset the impact on profits. Quarter ending AUMs increased 27 percent to $667,000,000,000 from the end of the Q1 2013. Importantly, 11% of this increase was the result of new inflows. Contributing to the strong quarter was an increase in licensing revenue from derivative trading.

This was primarily due to SPX and VIX trading volumes, which increased 9% 24%, respectively. In addition, our relationship with the CME proved beneficial with an 11% increase in the daily volumes on the CME Equity Complex. We believe the growth Prospects for S and P Dow Jones Indices remain very strong and we continue to make strategic investments such as the following. We acquired the remaining intellectual property for the S and P Global Broad Market Index or the BMI. This is a comprehensive rules based index.

It's designed to measure global stock market performance. The index covers all publicly listed equities with float at market values of $100,000,000 and currently includes more than 10,500 constituents. We also began collaboration with the Clourie Exchange for global marketing and sales of KRX Indices. We will leverage S&P Dow Jones Indices' proven experience in sales and marketing to license and further promote to KRX indices to overseas investors in markets like U. S, Europe and Hong Kong.

This includes the KOSPI 200, the premier gauge of equity market performance in South Korea. And this agreement also paves a way to develop new indices and share knowledge. Also, we announced a strategic index development and co branding agreement with the Taiwan Stock Exchange along with the launch of the S and P CWSE Taiwan Low Volatility High Dividend Index. As more investors look to Taiwan, S and P Dow Jones This agreement with the Taiwan Stock Exchange will be a momentous step in creating diversified market indices, starting with Taiwanese This agreement is a further sign of our commitment to Asia and to facilitating access to equity market intelligence in the region. One final note on S and P Dow Jones Indices.

On January 24, we announced along with the CBOE, the successful conclusion of the long standing ISE Index Litigation. This litigation and commercial markets. Revenue grew 6% in the quarter, but excluding the impact of the sale of Aviation Week, organic revenue instruction. Overall operating profit increased 27%, resulting in a 5 10 basis point improvement in margin to 30.4%. As you can see in commodities, Platts Is off to a great start for the year, delivering a 14% increase in revenue for the quarter.

Petroleum, Metals and Agriculture and Petrochemicals all delivered double digit revenue growth, while Power and Gas delivered mid single digit growth. Due to its size, petroleum continued to provide the greatest absolute growth, while Metals and Ag building on recent investments provided the greatest growth rate, which was 36%. I'd like to share an example with you of how McGraw Hill Financial Businesses create value across the platform and deliver essential intelligence. Historically, S and P Capital IQ has worked with S and P ratings to to deliver the annual S and P Capital IQ Energy Symposium. This is the 1st year that Platts and S and P Dow Jones Indices Also joined to sponsor and provide speakers for the event.

S and P Capital IQ used this event to announce the launch of its new oil and gas estimates, including average and total daily production of oil, gas, natural gas liquids. The team together demonstrated the usefulness of this information. Furthermore, in commercial markets, revenue decreased 3%. Excluding the sale of Aviation Week, however, organic growth increased 5% in the quarter. J.

D. Power achieved double digit revenue growth led by the auto business and customer advertising. China continues to significantly contribute to growth in the auto business. Another bright spot is customer advertising, which increased 34%, primarily from the initial quality study in autos and several non auto studies. As we announced last month, we're exploring strategic alternatives for McGraw Hill Construction, but don't have any updates at this time.

Summing up, we are off to a solid start for 2014 and our guidance remains unchanged. After Investor Day, I hope you have all had a Greater appreciation for the quality of our businesses, which was particularly demonstrated by the strength of S and P Dow Jones Indices and Platts offsetting weak bond issuance that has impacted Standard and Poor's rating services. I want to thank all of you for joining the call this morning. And now I'm going to hand it over to Jack Callahan, our Chief Financial Officer. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Doug. Good morning to everyone joining us on the call. This morning, I want to briefly discuss several items related to Q1 performance. First, I want to recap key consolidated financial results in the quarter. 2nd, I will review some accounting related changes.

3rd, I will provide updates on the balance sheet, free cash flow and return of capital. And finally, I will review our guidance. In the Q1, revenue grew 5% With organic revenue growing approximately 1 point faster, excluding the impact of the sale of Aviation Week as well as the sale of Financial Communications and small product line and performance. S and P Capital IQ has delivered adjusted profit growth in each of the last three quarters. Adjusted unallocated expense increased by $6,000,000 primarily due to an increase in unoccupied office space resulting from recent divestitures as well as the timing of certain professional fees.

In addition, the Q1 is the most challenging of the year for this particular expense item. In line with our previous guidance, the tax rate was 34 The adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 12% to $0.89 There was a reduction in average diluted shares outstanding of approximately 7,000,000 shares versus the year ago period. While there were no adjustments to GAAP results this quarter, there were 2 accounting related changes to McGraw Hill Financial. A comprehensive review of accounting and reporting practices and policies was undertaken. As a result, beginning in 2014, all shared operating services will be fully allocated to the segments, utilizing methodology Expense will be largely corporate center costs, select initiatives in excess real estate.

We included Exhibit 8 in the press release schedules to provide a recast of operating profit by quarter for 2013. For 2013 in total approximately 75 $1,000,000 of these costs have been reallocated to the segments. The second has to do with refining revenue recognition for certain products. The primary example was for a subset of ETF licensees within S and P Dow Jones Indices. We have incorporated validated data that provides assets under management for a greater portion of ETFs than we have historically had.

Therefore, with this new data in history, we can now record revenue when earned. Approximately 2 thirds of the ETF related revenues are already on this methodology. We expect this to be the only quarter meaningfully impacted by this change in revenue recognition. We continue to maintain and a strong balance sheet. As of the end of the quarter, we had $1,500,000,000 of cash and equivalents, of which just under 40% was domestic cash.

We continue to have approximately $800,000,000 of long term debt. Going forward, the strong balance sheet positions us to continue to make investments that strengthen the portfolio and as appropriate sustain our share repurchase program. Our free cash flow during the quarter was $85,000,000 versus negative cash flow of $86,000,000 a year ago. The improvement was primarily due to the timing of tax payments. It should also be noted that the 1st quarter free cash Flow is generally going to be our lowest quarter each year as annual incentive compensation payments are made during this quarter.

We continue to expect free cash flow of approximately $1,000,000,000 in 2014. Now let me update you on our return of capital activity. During the Q1, approximately 2,200,000 shares were repurchased at an price of $78.47 per share. That leaves 47,800,000 shares available from December's new authorization. We do anticipate selectively continuing share repurchase activity in 2014 subject to market conditions.

Despite these share repurchases, basic shares outstanding increased modestly from the end of 2013 for two reasons. 1st, 2,300,000 employee stock options were exercised during the quarter. Over the last 2 years, employees have exercised significantly more stock options than have been granted. In fact, at the end of 20 There were approximately 27,000,000 outstanding stock options. At the end of the Q1, there were less than 10,000,000 2nd, each year in the Q1 restricted stock plans vest.

This quarter, 1 point 7,000,000 shares of stock were issued associated with the 2011 performance stock plan. With this behind and less stock options available for exercise. We expect share repurchases over the remainder of the year to have more impact on reducing shares outstanding. Now I'd like to reiterate our 2014 guidance. There have been no changes.

We continue to target mid single digit revenue growth in 2014. And as a reminder, the impact of the divestiture of the Aviation Week, the Sale of Financial Communications and the shutdown of several smaller product lines at S and P Capital IQ reduces our year on year growth rate by approximately one point. We are targeting flat unallocated expense and sustained margin expansion with at least a 100 basis point improvement in adjusted operating profit margin. We believe that the effective tax rate achieved in 2013 is sustainable and we are targeting a 34% tax rate in 2014. On the bottom line, the adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance is 3.7 expenditures and approaching $1,000,000,000 in free cash flow.

In closing, we anticipate delivering continued growth in 2014 as Long term secular drivers of growth combined with our leading market positions and brands remain in place. That said, market volatility could impact results as issuance trends in Q1 demonstrate. Over the balance of the year, we do anticipate a step up and performance especially in a second. Again, thank you for joining us today on the call and let me turn it back over to Chip Merritt.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jack. Just a couple instructions for our phone participants. Operator, we will now take our first question.

Speaker 1

Thank you. This question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just to touch on the rating side first, in terms of the incremental expenses you're putting in for headcount and technology and so forth. I was just curious how much longer through the quarter should we see that flowing Through the numbers like when does margin start showing that year over year improvement is I guess where I'm getting to?

Speaker 3

Hi.

Speaker 4

Expense growth was mid single digit In the Radiance business, in the Q1, we're not anticipating some big significant step ups as we go through the year. So I think the margin expansion will be based on in part what we see in terms of Perhaps improved issuance trends over the balance of the year combined with our ongoing cost reduction programs. But we continue to expect some reasonable sustained margin in this business going forward.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then in terms of the structured finance performance, I was just curious if you could comment a little bit more on the dynamics I think, was it more a case of tougher comps or share losses just because your competitors We cited slightly better results in the structured finance line.

Speaker 3

This is Doug. It's a combination of both. As you know, the structured finance market overall globally was down a lot. The global decrease And structured finance issuance was actually 13% in number of issues and 9% in terms of par volume in 1,000,000,000 of dollars and that was even down further in the United States. It was down by almost 12% in dollar volumes in the U.

S. 23% in terms of number of issues. So there was a significant decrease. The European structured finance markets, as I said earlier, remain completely anemic with the exception of covered bond. And the covered bond issuance is a pretty standardized ongoing set of issuance.

So We saw a combination of very weak structured finance markets. Our market share has fluctuated depending on what kind of asset class you're talking about. Recently, we have not been at as high of a market share in CMBS, but in other asset classes, we are continuing with the traditional market

Speaker 5

Okay. That's helpful. And just one last housekeeping. Jack, in terms of the flat Guidance for unallocated expense. Can you just clarify what that 2013 number should be that we should model as that?

Speaker 4

It will be diverse. You'll see it detailed in Exhibit 8 of the appendix. It's on a full year basis. It's just it's $129,000,000

Speaker 5

All right. Okay. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Alex Kramm with UBS. You may ask your question.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. Maybe just coming back The guidance obviously remains pretty unchanged here. And I don't think I maybe I missed it, but maybe like bigger picture, what are the kind of Levers up down relative to a quarter ago, where you feel stronger or weaker? What businesses do You think are running ahead? And where do you see areas of maybe a little bit of concern where you would say that outlook is a little

Speaker 3

Let me start and just from a strategic point of view, we're very pleased with the new management team we have in place, Our approach to how we're managing the business and allocating capital, a lot of our investments that we've been making in the last couple of years have turned So each business has its own opportunities for growth, whether it's new asset classes, products, customer penetration as well as expansion into international markets. And so those are the ways that we're driving the performance and looking at where we put more emphasis and more and more growth. Clearly, we're subject to in many of our businesses to market volatility that we can't control. But what we Can Control, which is our exposure on where we place our resources and where we're focusing our growth as well as how We manage our margins and manage our expenses. We're doing all we can to control where we can position ourselves for growth and margins.

But obviously, we do Some market volatility we always have to live with.

Speaker 4

Just Karen does comments. Just back to guidance assumptions. I would tell you just on Across just about all the business, I think we're very much in line with our ongoing assumptions with maybe the possible exception of the slow start that we saw on bond issuance within ratings. The balance of that, I think we feel pretty much in line and I think we'll be monitoring that obviously over the balance of It's much more favorable now than it was at the start of the year.

Speaker 6

Okay. Great. And then maybe just to dig in a little bit on the rating side again. One of the things I think that stood out were the was a strong continues to stand out as The non transaction fees being 9% growth this year, I mean that's I think that's a almost like fantastic number Considering that that's pretty that that's recurring, right? What are the levers that can drive this up or down when we think over the next couple of I mean, is this a sustainable growth rate?

Or could this accelerate to whatever you're seeing out there? Or what are the reasons that could slow this down to maybe something like the mid No digits.

Speaker 3

Well, there are various aspects to this that drove it during the quarter. If you recall, there was a lot of M and A activity in Europe. And so our rating and valuation Services are one of those areas, which is was quite attractive for the markets during the quarter. We have seen over time 9%, 7%, 6%. We've seen steady growth in this area.

It hasn't been always as Robust is the 9%, but over the last four quarters, it's been over 6% every quarter. It's It's averaged over 7. And so we think it's a combination of shifts in capital markets, the kind of work that financial institutions And corporates need to look at their ongoing long term capital raising. Also as large issuers around the globe, Especially in Europe and other markets become much more frequent issuers. They shift their they shift from a transaction model to a non transaction So there are a lot of secular trends, which help us on this.

But obviously, we're not going to project out that it's always going to be 9%.

Speaker 2

And Alex, one thing I'll add is Chip. If you look at the strength we've had in issuance over the last couple of years That then leads to better surveillance numbers in the years that follow.

Speaker 6

Yes. Very helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Hamzah Mazari with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi, there. This is Flavio. I'm standing for Hamzah today. How are you guys? Good.

Just a quick question on first on the indices business. I'm assuming that this Big margin expansion, a big part of it is due to the revenue recognition issue and that's falling at 100% incremental margin. Can you help us understand how the margins will look like without that change?

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, obviously, we benefited from that one time catch up in the revenue recognition. But this is, as you mentioned, this would probably The only quarter where we're going to where we'll have that impact. So if you were just to back out basically

Speaker 8

half the revenue from this quarter that would

Speaker 4

give you Half the revenue increase. Half the revenue From the square that would give you Half the revenue increase. Half the revenue increase that would give you a better judge of what more run rate May look like going forward.

Speaker 2

And then take out the operating profit as well. Correct. Right. I did the calculation the other day. It was just a few percentage points

Speaker 7

Perfect.

Speaker 2

3% is the difference.

Speaker 5

That's

Speaker 7

And you guys talked about the Structural Finance market a little bit. I just wanted a little if you could a little more color on the commercial MBS or the market that market Giving some strength recently and are you guys seeing that and how do you think your position is within that specific market?

Speaker 3

You're talking about the CMBS market? Yes. Actually the CMBS market has been weak. Its strength has been in the last few weeks. But in Quarter, it was down 15% actually 15.8% in terms of par value of dollars And it was number of issuers were down almost 12%.

The market has been it's been quite volatile. There's a very Current quality of properties coming into the CMBS market. So there's a lot more variability into what the asset class is and what type Assets are in it, whether it's higher quality properties, lower quality properties, how diversified the portfolios are. So we have a very competitive criteria, which is understood by the markets. We are it's a competitive market.

We have a very good team there. And it's one that as you can see from the new entrants into the market and the rating agencies, it's a very competitive Part of the market now. But we're very well positioned and we've been capturing some of the volumes and it's an area that we have a major focus on.

Speaker 7

That's very helpful. That's all I had on my end. Thank you for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Andre Benjamin with Goldman Sachs. You may ask your question.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning. First, I wanted to dig into the margins in a little more detail. I know Manav touched on Ratings margins, but I was wondering if you could spend A bit of time addressing how you think the margins for some of the other businesses may progress through the year, particularly Capital IQ and then commodities and commercials given the investments you're making in growth?

Speaker 4

Andre, we're not trying we're trying to avoid getting too detailed into specific margin expansion by We're trying to manage a portfolio here. That all being said, if I just comment on some of the dynamics of the specific businesses in addition to earlier Comments on ratings. I think in Capital IQ, I think you've seen now with a couple of quarters that were largely cycling through those investments. And we're going to look to kind of sustain some reasonable margin expansion going forward, particularly as we gain the benefits and we're quite encouraged by some of the early indications, some of the new functionality and products that are coming into the marketplace. Across commodities and commercial, we've had stellar margin expansion in those businesses over the last few quarters.

I would think we would look to have some continued or maybe modest expansion there, but our primary focus there is Really driving the top line growth of Platts and J. D. Power which are both double digit right now. So our focus there is growth.

Speaker 3

Let me just add that one of the things that we want to make sure that you follow carefully throughout the year is year on year comparisons in what we call an organic sense. It sounds Strange to talk about organic growth and you see margins going up from that. But we've exited lower margin or slow growth businesses or underperforming businesses. And so one of the other aspects of our margin expansion is going to be as we look at comparisons of our operating businesses without out those slower growth and slower driver businesses that are included. So that's part of the business was repositioning the portfolio and Rationalizing it towards businesses we want to invest in.

Speaker 7

Thank you. And I guess one more housekeeping Question on the litigation, I know you mentioned at the Analyst Day, I believe you said the judge was pushing for both sides in the DOJ Case to come to trial by September 2015, that's obviously a moving target. But could you remind us what some of the next key milestones are? And whether there are any kind of tangential trials like the one you mentioned this morning that could have some read across in the meantime?

Speaker 3

Ken Vitter is here with us. He will answer that question.

Speaker 9

Yes. There is no scheduled trial date. The judge Has asked the parties to submit and we have a joint statement as to what would be an acceptable trial date and subject to certain Yes. The parties have indicated a September 2015 trial date, but the judge has not ordered that. There is no scheduling order yet as to a specific trial date.

In terms of the next dates to be looking at, the judge has The hearing in May, on May 27, where he will resolve issues relating to the process To our motion to compel, how that will be handled either through a special master or a magistrate. So that will be the And in terms of the Space Coast case, which you're referencing, that is a very helpful Ruling in granting our motion to dismiss, the court issued a ruling, which said that it's not enough To claim that there are generalized concerns about rating agencies or the business model or the issuer pays model that you have The tie, whatever your generalized concerns are about rating agencies to the specific CDOs that the plaintiffs claim they lost money on. And that failure To allege with specificity led to the 2nd dismissal in the Space Coast case and we will be using that precedent in the DOJ case and other cases because there's a similar defect in many of the complaints filed against S and P And that they have generalized concerns about how the rating agencies operated during the financial crisis, but they don't tie them to Specific CDOs that are at issue either in the DOJ case or the other case.

So we think that's a very helpful precedent for us.

Speaker 2

Operator?

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Joseph Foresi with Janney Capital Markets. You may May I ask your question?

Speaker 10

Hi. So I wanted to understand what is built into guidance at this point from a bond issuance perspective for the remainder of the year. And how do you think about the trajectory of the business? What are your thoughts behind that?

Speaker 4

Well, just in terms Jim, I think we're still going to have While we are seeing a step up in issuance, certainly saw that in March continuing to April. There's a very difficult comp on issuance in the Q2. So I think It's going to be a tough comparison, but then I think again to the 3rd Q4, I think we see some nice we're anticipating some solid growth And that's in part with Poignant's strong second half performance.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then

Speaker 10

I think earlier you had talked about margins being Up in all businesses this year. I might add that incorrect, but I think you had mentioned that maybe in your last call. How should we think about the margin profiles of the different businesses? Is this more of a portfolio effect this year? Has that changed at all?

Speaker 6

Well, I

Speaker 4

mean, I think what we're trying to point to is overall our guidance Assuming at least a one point margin improvement overall across the entirety of our businesses. I think that's been sort of the guidance So we have been given that we've given. And but that all being said, building out Our comments earlier in both Ratings and Capitals and Commodities and Cap IQ, we do think we should have some sustained margin improvement as we cycle through the year.

Speaker 10

Okay. Anything just last?

Speaker 2

If you look

Speaker 3

at the Q1,

Speaker 2

I mean, we had margin improvement in all the businesses the exception of the ratings business, and that's understandable with the issuance environment. So with a better issuance environment, you could see margin improvement there.

Speaker 10

Sure. And then just to fully understand the accounting change, any impact of guidance from that change on an annual basis? And does that offset the businesses that were I think you said there was a 1% impact from those businesses being shut.

Speaker 4

No, there's no change in guidance because this accounting change was fully considered in both our plans in our initial guidance. So there's no impact to where we were a quarter ago.

Speaker 2

All right. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next Question comes from Peter Appert with Piper Jaffray. You may ask your question.

Speaker 2

Thanks. So Jack, I want to make sure I fully understand the You changed the index business in the Q1. Should we assume that the incremental revenue you got from the change all basically All flows through to operating income?

Speaker 4

Yes, largely it does. But just remember that from a bottom line point of view only 73% gets to EPS. It has about a $0.02 EPS impact on the quarter.

Speaker 8

Okay. So what

Speaker 2

do you think the right Run rate for operating margins within the index businesses on a sustainable basis.

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, we've been over I I think we're approaching 60, right? And maybe a bit better. But One of the things we're benefiting from here is that we have picked up as Dylan and Doug's comments, We've picked up some additional licensees that are also benefiting the portfolio. I think we're in obviously a very enviable position in that business.

Speaker 2

Got it. And then could I ask just 2 other things. One, Jack,

Speaker 3

can you talk a little bit about how

Speaker 2

you're thinking Timing of repurchase activity over the balance of the year? And then secondly, any color on traction in terms of new asset classes in the Platts business. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Well, in terms of share repurchases, we're going to stay flexible on that one. We're as you saw, we were pretty active in Q1 and we have a lot of flexibility relative authorization. So we'll update the market as we go through quarter by quarter.

Speaker 3

And on Platts, we are looking at expanding. We have a if you think about the Platts business, it's got a large concentration in petroleum And petrochemicals is fairly related to that. So we're seeing a lot of interest in getting more transparency in the markets, using more Mark, as these markets become more global and there's more complexity, more information floating around, more at stake on What happens with countries and companies etcetera. So we're looking at expanding into further expansion into metals, ag, Power and Gas, so we're going to be looking at organic, inorganic opportunities, But specifically, we have a lot of interest in growing in the other diversifying into other types of Commodities beyond just petroleum.

Speaker 2

Operator?

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Doug Arthur with Evercore. You may ask your question.

Speaker 3

Yes. Two follow ups. On the loss of the UBS commodity business, is that I mean, obviously, that's built into guidance and your general sense is that other products will that are coming on strong are going to kind of Nullify the impact on revenues. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 4

I think that's a fair assessment from a profit point of view. There could be a little bit of revenue impact more in the back half of this year and going into the first part of NEX. But from a bottom line point of view, I think we have All

Speaker 3

set. Okay. And then just as a follow-up with Ken on the line. Ken, any what is your sort of timeline Expectations in the CalPERS case over through the end of 2015 at this point.

Speaker 9

Well, I don't know. There's been a lot

Speaker 2

of back and forth.

Speaker 9

Yes. We appeal the denial of a motion to dismiss oral argument was held And the appeal is pending. So the timing will depend on when the Court of Appeals issues a ruling on our appeal of the motion to dismiss.

Speaker 3

That was based on Andy Flapp?

Speaker 9

Yes, exactly. And our argument in the motion is That in order to have a negligent misrepresentation claim in California, it has to relate to a past or present fact. And we argue that the court below got it wrong by treating an opinion as a fact when all of the courts The country have treated ratings uniformly as opinions, future looking opinions, forward looking opinions. And so our argument is there can be no negligent misrepresentation claim by CalPERS because the predicate is missing. There is no present or past fact It has been misrepresented when you have a ratings opinion.

Speaker 3

And any expectation on timing of the ruling?

Speaker 9

No. It's totally subject to the court's calendar.

Speaker 6

But as

Speaker 9

I said, the oral argument was held and the case is pending.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Tim McHugh with William Blair. You may ask your question.

Speaker 11

Yes. Thanks. Most of them

Speaker 8

Questions have been answered, but two quick

Speaker 11

ones I guess. One on the UBS commodity contract, I know you said it's not much of an impact to revenue or to profits, but more so to revenue. Can Can you size that at all for us, I guess, more so for the second half of the year in terms of what to expect?

Speaker 4

We want to be we're trying to say we've been overly explicit about our existing contracts, but let's just call it a couple of points of revenue growth, But very manageable.

Speaker 11

And that's a couple of points to that business or to the overall business?

Speaker 4

Just to Business.

Speaker 11

Okay. And then within Capital IQ, you talked about desktop growing 8%, but I guess even That desktop and enterprise solutions only grew 4. I guess what's offsetting that? And can we

Speaker 10

Can you

Speaker 11

see I guess that overall part of the business creep up towards that high single digit growth rate that you described just for the desktop part of the business?

Speaker 3

There are the other there's a set of different products that we have under the S and Capital IQ Desktop and Enterprise Solutions, we've got portfolio risk. We've got Compustat in there. We've got consolidated fees. We're investing in that business. And Recently, we acquired a business in Europe called Quantaus that's we're doing investments in there and we think those will be Obviously, paying off at some point in the future.

But what's really important for us right now is to drive the desktop growth. This is critical because it gets our key product into people's offices. And we're investing in the new capability in the desktop, which we think are very clearly targeted at the needs of credit analysts and portfolio analysts and others so that this will help us drive our growth in the future. But that's one of the reasons we wanted to highlight 8% Specifically in desktop.

Speaker 11

How would that 8% compare to last year or the last couple of years? I can't recall if you've broken it out in that much detail.

Speaker 2

We really haven't broken up that much detail, but I mean the desktop business has been growing kind of 5%, 6%, 7 ish percent for the last couple of years. We've been pretty pleased and Lou will talk about this that our desktop business is certainly Gaining share. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 11

So but the growth this quarter, it's basically a continuation of the trend? Or The growth pickup is what I was trying to understand.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean we don't really quibble over 1% or 2%. So

Speaker 11

All right.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners. You may ask your question.

Speaker 2

Yes. Good morning. Just can you talk a little bit further about your outlook here for the transaction based revenues within the ratings here? The second quarter you alluded How strong the year over year how tough the year over year comp is there, but are you expecting that to be flat to down in the Q2? I'm just curious what your backlogs are you're seeing in the next couple of months?

Speaker 4

I think our guidance is sort of based to it can manage to exactly what you said flat to modestly And then we do spend over the balance of the year that we do anticipate in part driven by Much of some sense easier comps particularly in the Q3, we would see a return to solid growth in the back half of the year.

Speaker 2

And also you guys have been very good on rationalizing your portfolio in recent years. I'm just curious if you think there's much left to go on that front Going forward, aside from what you've already announced on the construction side.

Speaker 3

I think construction is the most significant. There might be a few Small products here and there, but nothing that I would imagine is significant.

Speaker 9

I guess my last

Speaker 4

Our focus right now, Craig, is much More about what we can do to build the portfolio and add to growth.

Speaker 2

And then also the shifting of the unallocated expense Back down to the operating units. I'm just curious will that change the mindset at all with your managers of the various Business units to be more cognizant of those expenses or were they already very well contained any element they were already embedded in what their metrics are if it's based on compensation every year?

Speaker 4

It's well put, No, I think one part of this change is to have more visibility, more alignment on the total cost of doing business. So yes, So I do anticipate that collectively we'll have a lot more focus on what we can do to manage these shared costs and make And as a contributor to ongoing margin enhancement going forward. So I think there's some real benefits of Having everyone working off the same set of numbers.

Speaker 3

And what I'd say is that you answered your own question in the question.

Speaker 2

And with that, I do have one more quick question please. Do you have an answer for it? The share your share buybacks, the 2,200,000 shares you guys Bought back. Is the DOJ case in your minds holding you back from picking up the share buybacks meaningfully from these levels?

Speaker 4

No. Look, I think as we said before, I think we have an extraordinarily flexible and strong balance sheet. I think that gives us a lot of Going forward, so it may be a consideration in the sense that we want to reserve some flexibility, but I think we have adequate Flexibility to have a lot of choices via either share repurchase and or additions to the portfolio.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Bill Warmington with Wells Fargo Securities. You may ask questions.

Speaker 9

Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Or Bill.

Speaker 9

So one question for you, a follow-up on the S And Pete Dow Jones Indices with 18% year over year growth in Q1. You've mentioned that half of that growth is from the revenue recognition. Just wanted to ask about how we should think about the growth rates for that division going forward? High single digit, low double digit? Or where should we think about it?

Speaker 4

Well, it's kind of highly dependent on what's going on with overall What's your view of the markets going forward, because it's still based on capital flows, particularly into ETFs and mutual funds It can be also impacted by volatility. So it's hard to kind of point to a steady state Sort of growth rate going forward. I think right now I think for the first half of the year, Growth probably is in the similar to what we saw in Q1 less the impact of the accounting change And maybe not quite so strong in the second half because of the modest impact of some of the loss on revenue on UBS. So But then I think you got to overlay what's your view of the

Speaker 3

equity markets going forward? I would add though that clearly we have this impact from markets that Jack mentioned, but on the other hand, we are investing for growth in markets like Korea and Taiwan. Last quarter, we invested in Mexico and Colombia, we bought out the BMI and the GSCI. So we are investing in areas of the Where we think there will be growth like the emerging markets, like Asia. And so we don't want to have a one trick pony and just be dominated by the S and We want to take advantage of that brand and the expertise and the platform that we have add more product and more capacity into it.

So you should be hearing from us over time a lot of these types of partnerships and investments which also are going They might not drive growth next quarter or the quarter after that. They might take a while to see the growth coming through. But we think with the Type of globalization of markets we want to be using that is also a place where we play.

Speaker 2

And if I can add just one last thing. With ETFs being The dominant portion of that business even in a flat market environment, you're still seeing inflows into passive investing And about 12% of the increase in AUM came from inflows. And so we think that trend will continue.

Speaker 9

Now continuing on that theme, There's been talk about index properties potentially on the block and I wanted to ask about your thoughts about M and A opportunity in that business.

Speaker 3

We don't comment on speculation or things that are being discussed in the market.

Speaker 9

Okay. Then one housekeeping Just the if you happen to have the fully diluted shares outstanding exiting the quarter, if I can take into account the buyback?

Speaker 4

I think it's 277. 277.

Speaker 9

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

We will now take our final question from Ed Aterino with Benchmark.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thank you. You mentioned the CMBS It's down 13%. Any other big categories you'd like to highlight as either up or down in the ratings in the quarter?

Speaker 3

Well, from the point of view of market Issuance overall, it was the quarter was, as I said earlier, was a choppy quarter. It began with incredibly low issuance in January February. There was a lot of discussions about what was happening With the Fed, with tapering, with interest rate movements, etcetera. So the 1st 2 months of the quarter were very slow. March was picked up the And there was a lot more issuance.

So when you look across all of the asset classes, generally speaking, they were down for total worldwide Issuance was down in terms of number of issues was down 25% and in par value It was down 4%. So as I mentioned earlier that also impacted some of our earnings because some of the deals were so large. Structured Finance was Down 9.4% in a par value and down 13.1% on number of issuance globally. So you start looking at market by market. Generally speaking, the Q1, there was a lot of volatility.

Chip could provide you more details on market by market offline on that.

Speaker 8

2nd question, I don't need to be a wise guy. Now you're buying a lot of shares and then you issue a lot of shares. Is there a strategy there? I mean it looks it sounds Mike, it just spins the wheels. Well, I

Speaker 4

mean, they're 2 different things, right? Buying back Shares is the allocation of capital in terms of the choices that we have. The issuance of shares has all to do with compensation. So I would think it's appropriate particularly for A company like ours, which is made up of relatively higher paid executives, to have some of their incentive compensation based in equity related vehicles such that we have aligned interests between our value creation and that of our shareholders.

Speaker 2

And if you look over time, you can see a Steady decrease of our shares outstanding.

Speaker 8

That's true. It is a net decline. Thanks.

Speaker 2

You have particular quarters like the Q1 where You're rolling out more compensation, so you have the offset and that's why we kind of highlighted that in one of your Jack slides.

Speaker 8

Terrific. Thanks so much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

All right. That concludes today's call. So we'd like you to thank you for joining us and we'll talk to you in the future. Thanks.

Speaker 1

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