Hello, and welcome to today's SouthState Corporation third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. My name is Bailey, and I'll be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Will Matthews, CFO. Please go ahead when you're ready.
Good morning, and welcome to SouthState's third quarter 2022 earnings call. This is Will Matthews, and joining me on this call are Robert Hill, John Corbett, and Steve Young. The format for the call will be that we will provide prepared remarks, and we'll then open it up for questions. Yesterday evening, we issued a press release to announce earnings for the quarter. We've also posted presentation slides that we will refer to in today's call on our investor relations website. Before we begin our remarks, I want to remind you the comments we make may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any such forward-looking statements we may make are subject to the Safe Harbor rules.
Please review the forward-looking disclaimer and Safe Harbor language in the press release and presentation for more information about risks and uncertainties which may affect us. Now I'll turn the call over to Robert Hill, Executive Chairman.
Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to kick off the call today. I have just a couple of comments before I turn the call over to John. I want to thank our shareholders for your patience the last few years as we have moved through significant changes at South State. The timing to make major changes has turned out to be very good as we have enhanced our size, our scale in great businesses, our efficiency, and rebuilt our technology platform. As the economy now approaches a more uncertain and turbulent time ahead, these are the times when South State will really stand out. The rebuilding of the company, along with our core funding, conservative credit culture, and great markets have us well positioned for the road ahead. Thank you for your time today. I'll now turn the call over to John.
Yeah. Thanks, Robert. Good morning, everybody. I'll make some brief comments about the operating environment and our third quarter results. Afterwards, Will can share more detail about the financials, and then we'll take your questions. Before we talk about the bank, it's important to take a step back and reflect on the macro environment. Over the last two years, the United States government flooded the banking system with excess deposits and basically provided a pandemic bailout with the PPP program and support for consumers. In that pandemic environment, every bank in the country was deposit rich and had near perfect asset quality metrics. Now, suddenly, the tables have turned. As the Fed dramatically raises rates and embarks on QT, good old-fashioned relationship deposits, liquidity, and credit discipline will drive the distinctions in bank performance over the next two years. This is an environment where SouthState should shine.
Let me mention a few of our third quarter highlights. We're pleased to have two sequential quarters of very strong revenue growth, operating leverage, and loan growth. Our earnings ramp has been steep and the momentum is obvious. Our PPNR per share is up 47% from the same period last year. In the third quarter, our NIM expanded significantly. Operating leverage improved 8%, and that drove our efficiency ratio down to 50%. We watched our NIM expand 43 basis points in the third quarter after expanding 35 basis points in the second quarter. That's pretty dramatic. 78 basis points of NIM expansion in just two quarters. To be clear, that margin expansion is not the result of actions we took in the last two quarters, but actions we took in 2021 to retain more cash on our balance sheet than many others.
We took the long view and held on to plenty of dry powder to put to work in this higher rate environment. As expected, the significant NIM expansion was partially offset by weakness in our capital markets and mortgage business. Mortgage production remained strong with our focus on purchase mortgages in our growing southeast markets. With low gain on sale margins, we decided to hold 78% of the production on balance sheet and only sold 22%. Total loans grew 13% on an annualized basis and were evenly split between the commercial and retail bank. Despite the recession fears, our asset quality metrics remained very clean, and we had net recoveries in the quarter. Hurricane Ian hit southwest Florida last month as a fierce category four storm. Now, that's an area of the state where we don't have branches.
After the hurricane devastated Fort Myers, it moved slowly through our franchise in Central Florida, Northern Florida, and on up to Charleston as a Category one storm, dumping over a foot of rain in some places. The primary impact to our customers and employees were power outages and flooding in Central and Northern Florida. We sustained very little structural damage, and the power was restored within a week. As we examined our exposure to the hurricane, we determined that less than 1% of our loans are located in the hardest hit areas of Lee, Collier, and Charlotte counties. So far, we've received very few requests for payment deferrals. As I mentioned, our granular deposits will be a differentiator for us in a rising rate environment.
With an abundance of cash on the balance sheet, we've lagged the Fed on the way up. Our deposit beta is 3% so far this cycle, and our total deposit cost is only 11 basis points. Average deposit balances declined about 4% annualized, but that still left us with about $2.5 billion in cash and $5.5 billion in available for sale securities. That's about 18% of the balance sheet that's liquid. I'll point out three areas that drove the end of period change to our deposits. First, we mentioned on our last earnings call the predictable fluctuation of deposits in the payroll business. If the calendar quarter ends on a Friday, deposits temporarily drop about $500 million. In this quarter, the third quarter did end on a Friday.
That's why it's better to look at average deposit balances when comparing quarters. Secondly, as we previously announced, we consolidated a number of branches in the third quarter, which accounted for a portion of the reduction. Third, with the increase in rates, we worked with some of our high net worth clients to purchase about $275 million of treasuries through our wealth management division. We're going to continue to work one-on-one with our valuable relationship clients while at the same time managing the appropriate amount of balance sheet liquidity. As we look ahead, we are cautious about the economy in 2023, and we share the concern of many that a recession may be around the corner.
It's just hard to imagine a scenario where the Federal Reserve is moving this fast and something, maybe something we don't see now, but something doesn't break in the economy. Even with this uncertainty, we like the hand we've been dealt on a relative basis. We've got excellent funding, surplus capital, and we operate in four of the six fastest growing states in the country. Regardless of the environment, our team will show up to work each day, and we're going to continue to deliver exceptional client service and build franchise value one customer at a time. With that, I'll turn it over to Will to give you more detail on the financial results.
Thanks, John. As you noted, it was another encouraging quarter for SouthState on several fronts. We had record PPNR and PPR per share driven by another sizable margin increase. We had a low deposit beta with a very moderate decline in balances. We had good expense control and solid growth, with some weakness in a couple of our non-interest income business lines, not entirely unexpected in this rate environment. Credit metrics remain solid. Slide 12 shows our net interest margin over the last five quarters. Net interest income of $358 million was up $44 million from Q2, with core net interest income of $349 million, up $47 million from the prior quarter. Tax equivalent NIM was 3.55% or 3.46% on a core basis, up 43 basis points from Q2.
Total cost of deposits of 11 basis points was up 5 basis points from the prior quarter. While we hope to continue to outperform in this metric, we do of course expect our beta to rise over the cycle as deposit competition heats up. Non-interest income was down $11 million from Q2, primarily driven by a $7 million decline in correspondent and a $3 million decline in mortgage revenue. In the mortgage business, as shown on slide 14, we had production of almost $1.1 billion in the quarter, but only 22% of the volume was sold in the secondary market, leading to a decline in secondary income. I'll note that our retail mortgage production year to date is down 6% from last year versus an industry decline of approximately 46%, according to the MBA.
For the correspondent division, as noted on slide 16, the sizable and rapid move in rates continues to pose a challenge for demand for fixed income securities, in spite of the attractive rates now available relative to the last couple of years. Interest rate swap demand was also down a bit in the quarter, with such revenues comparable to last year's third quarter. Non-interest expense of $227 billion was up $1 billion from Q2, a bit better than anticipated. With that revenue growth and relatively flat NIE, our efficiency ratio dropped to 50%. On the balance sheet, loans were up 13.3% annualized from Q2. The highest percentage growth was in single-family residential, up 34% annualized, followed by C&I up 17% and investor CRE up 12% AOS.
Line utilization across various loan types remained flat with prior quarters and still below pre-pandemic levels by 5% or more. John discussed some of the items impacting our decline in ending deposits. On an average basis, our deposits were down just under $400 million or approximately 4% annualized. I'll also note that our ending deposits are slightly ahead of where we had budgeted them for September thirtieth. With respect to credit, we provisioned $24 billion for the quarter in spite of two basis points in net recoveries. $1.9 million of our charge-offs were DDA losses, so net loan recoveries were closer to four or five basis points. In our CECL model, we continue to use a more negative economic scenario weighting than baseline or consensus would indicate.
Our asset quality metrics remain very good at this point, as noted on slide 24, but we remain cautious about the economy. Our ending allowance plus reserve for unfunded commitments moved up five basis points in the quarter to 1.31%. With respect to capital on slide 25, our risk-based ratios remain strong with CET1 of 11% and total risk-based capital of 12.9%. Our leverage ratio improved approximately thirty basis points with the quarter's capital formation and slight reduction in the size of the balance sheet. The move in interest rates and resultant move in AOCI continues to negatively impact our TCE ratio and our TBV per share, with our TCE ratio ending at 6.7% and our TBV per share declining to $37.97.
Excluding AOCI, our TCE ratio would have been 8.3%, and our TBV per share would have been $47.44. John, I'll turn it back to you.
Yeah. Thanks, Will. As always, I want to thank our employees for their hard work and all they do to build value for our clients, our communities, and our shareholders. Operator, please go ahead and open the line for questions.
Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you would like to remove that question, please press Star followed by two. Again, to ask a question, it is star followed by one. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Our first question today comes from the line of Michael Rose from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Hey, Michael.
Hey, Michael.
Good morning. Maybe we could just start on the NIM and the kind of rate sensitivity. Obviously, it's continued to kind of come down here a little bit. Sorry if I missed this in the beginning, but you know, just given the loan growth and the low deposit betas, can you just kind of talk about, you know, maybe some nearer term expectations for the NIM? I'm sorry if I missed this, but you know, what rate outlook you guys are kind of assuming, the forward curve or something else, just as we move through the next couple quarters. Thanks.
Hey, Michael, it's Steve. Let me walk you through a couple of those assumptions and how we're thinking about the next 15 months or so. You know, really three major assumptions I'll walk through and then sort of kind of give guidance at the end. The assumption number one is just the size of the deposits and interest earning assets. I think this past quarter it was a little over $40 billion. You know, over the last several earnings calls, you'll remember we've given you guidance that we wanted to try to keep deposits flat through the end of 2023, which would keep, you know, earning assets flat. You know, we continue to reiterate that same guidance.
Based on the loan growth forecast or deposit forecast, you know, our loan to deposit ratio would probably climb from somewhere around 76%-77% where it is today to the end of 2023 around 80%. That's kind of how we think about from, you know, the size of the balance sheet management, somewhere in the $40 billion earning asset range. The second assumption is just around interest rates. You know, the earnings call we did in July, the Moody's consensus forecast was for the Fed funds to peak out at 3.5%. Of course, you know, there's been a big change there. The new Moody's consensus forecast has the Fed funds peaking in 2023 at 4.75%.
There was a large move in expectations in the third quarter. In our modeling, that's all that's built in our modeling. The deposit beta, you know, we've talked about this before, but page 20 speaks to both our previous cycle beta, deposit beta, as well as our current cycle beta. What it shows on the investor deck on page 20 is that our deposit beta was 24% last cycle to date. So far this cycle is 3%. Our assumption continues to be that this cycle will play out the same way as last cycle, so a 24% beta.
As we think about deposit costs and we think about our interest rate forecast, we would expect our cost of deposits to get to around 1.10%-1.20% sometime by the same time next year. You know, if you think about that, you know, 4.5% increase in rates times 24% beta to add our original deposit costs, that should get you somewhere in there. If we think about the next four quarters, really thinking about that ratably, you know, that 1% change or so over the next four quarters, sort of a ratable change.
To kind of sum it all up, you know, based on the assumptions of the balance sheet size, interest rate forecast, and our deposit beta, we would expect our margin expansion from here and, you know, this past quarter at 3.55%, we would think that the margin would range somewhere between 3.60% and 3.80% through the end of 2023. Hopefully that tells you the assumptions and sort of the big picture of how we got to those assumptions.
Perfect. A lot of detail as usual, Steve. Maybe just as one follow-up question, probably sticking with you. You know, you guys have held the correspondent book revenue stream pretty consistent over the past couple quarters, but it did come off again this quarter. Can you just give some greater color there just on kind of how the business works? Then maybe just as we move through this higher interest rate environment, how the different pieces of the business, you know, you would expect to work over the next couple quarters. Thanks.
Sure. Let me take a big picture approach and then drill down the correspondent and maybe I'll tie all that together. You know, fee income this quarter was $77 million or about 0.67% of average assets. You know, our prior guidance that we had last quarter was between 0.7% and 0.8% of average assets. You know, we said that we'd probably be at the lower end of the range until we got through some of this interest rate hiking till the end of 2022. You know, at that point in time, when we gave that guidance, the terminal Fed funds rate was 3.5. Because we've had this large move in interest rates, rate expectations up another 1.25.
You know, some of these interest rate sensitive businesses like mortgage and correspondent, you know, have slowed down from a fee income generation perspective. You know, if you think about correspondent, you know, our guidance was $24 million-$28 million a quarter. You know, we're lowering that guidance really to $20 million-$25 million a quarter until really we get through the Fed, you know, stops raising rates. If you know, if you think about, you know, the puts and takes, you know, our interest rate swap revenue fell this quarter. Fixed income actually fell only about $1 million, but I would expect fixed income to be more challenging as the Fed continues to raise rates, and that, you know, short-term rates and long-term rates all, you know, end up about the same.
I think fixed income will be a little more challenging. I think the interest rate swap business will get better. But our new guidance for that is somewhere between 20 and 25 until you know the Fed stops raising rates, and we get into a bit more normalized environment. Just to kind of sum up all of that, you know with the next several quarters and until the Fed stops raising rates, we would expect our non-interest income to average assets to be between 0.6% and 0.7%. If the Fed stops raising rates and we get into more normal environment sometime in 2023, we'd expect the NII to average assets to get back to 0.7%-0.8%. And kind of act as the hedge as we talked about the net interest income.
Hopefully that's helpful guidance as we think through the puts and takes of correspondent and non-interest income.
Very much so. Thanks for taking my questions, guys.
Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of Kevin Fitzsimmons from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Kevin.
Just wondering if you can talk a little bit about loan growth. How you know, how the pipelines look, how you feel about growth, going forward, you know, in terms of both what you're seeing in demand, but maybe what you're also implementing in terms of maybe, raising the bar on underwriting or stepping back on certain kind of loan segments. Any color on that front? Thanks.
Yeah, sure. Kevin, it's John. You know, big picture, I would say that the Fed's rate increases are working. That they're slowing things down, but it takes time. There's a lag effect that's working through the psychology of our clients and our borrowers. Our pipelines are coming down. You know, from a C&I borrower standpoint, a lot of them are doing fine, but they're taking kind of a wait and see approach. They're still borrowing money, but it's more to replace existing equipment versus expanding. On the CRE side, we're in a period here of price discovery. Cap rates have been very slow to adjust to the yield curve, but we're starting to see that bid-ask spread on CRE property starting to widen out.
I think there's a number of folks that were in the development business, the merchant builders, that are preparing to become owner managers, and what that's gonna do, it's gonna slow pay downs down. On the residential side, you know, I think the fundamental question is, what kind of house can I buy with a $2,500 a month payment? In January, when rates were 3%, you could borrow $600,000. Today, you can borrow $380,000. I think that is gonna cause a real slowdown in the residential side, and we're seeing that in some of the rate locks. I think the Fed is having and seeing the desired effect of the rate increases. While loan originations are gonna slow, growth is gonna be a little bit different.
There are some crosscurrents with growth in that number one payoffs that we've been talking about for two years. I think payoffs are gonna start slowing. There's a number of loans that we originated in the last two years that are still in the fund up scenario. I do think that growth is not gonna slow down as fast as new loan originations slow. If we had to give some guidance, we'd say our fourth quarter estimate would be that we'd be growing loans in the upper single digits%. If we enter into a mild recession in 2023, maybe mid-single-digit growth%. Ultimately, our goal by the end of 2023 is probably to put on another $1.5 billion-$2 billion of net loan growth.
That gets us to that 80% loan to deposit ratio that Steve talked about if we hold the balance sheet and deposits flat. You know, that's the macro picture. You know, we're very, very bullish on the markets in the Southeast. They're gonna outperform the rest of the country. You know, the in-migration that Will talked about, you could see it in the residential numbers. The national mortgage origination this year to date, is down 46%-47%. We're only down about 6%. That speaks to the strength of the Southeastern job front and in-migration. A lot of it's not just retirees, it's just great jobs and great economic activity in the Southeast.
You know, I don't know that many people are as aware of what's going on over the last several years and really the last couple of years with the automobile industry in the Southeast. We've had just a ton of announcements. I mean, in Georgia, there's a new $5 billion Hyundai plant for electric vehicles, 8,000 new jobs. The South Koreans just built a new battery plant for electric vehicles north of Atlanta, 2,000 jobs, $1.7 billion investment. Last week, BMW announced an expansion to their plant in Greenville, South Carolina, $1.7 billion. We've got a new assembly plant in Huntsville, Alabama, with 4,000 new jobs for Mazda and Toyota. The Southeast is gonna be just fine.
You know, from an underwriting standpoint, you know, we try not to be a faucet on, faucet off lender. We are abiding by our policies right now, and we're stressing the loans we're making with this new interest rate environment. Hopefully that gives you a flavor of what we're seeing.
Yeah, that's great, John. Thanks. Just one quick follow-up. I was wondering if, you know, I guess it's understandable we wouldn't hear as much about it with the deal being closed for a while now, but if you can speak to any observations on Atlantic Capital in terms of any remaining savings and/or contributions that you're seeing from them, whether better or less than expected. Thanks.
This is John. Our pipeline and production in Georgia have been fantastic. We completed the conversion in July. Conversion went extraordinarily well. You know, we are still continuing to work through the normal integration issues as the team members get accustomed to the new processes. They haven't missed a beat from a loan production and growth standpoint.
Kevin, I'll take it on the savings side. Maybe I'll go ahead and wrap this into context of sort of the NIE outlook, and Charlie can take further questions on NIE as desired. You know, we have pretty much essentially gotten most of the cost savings out through the third quarter. There's still a few that'll trickle in in subsequent quarters, including Q4. That also goes for the branch consolidations we did. There'll be a little bit more in Q4 than Q3. You know, I'd say our guidance for the Q4 NIE still would be where we had thought it would be, and that's somewhere in the low $230s, and if we're lucky, maybe down below $230.
You know, this quarter, we had a few items moving positively and negatively and did a little better than we thought in NIE. One item, of course, is production in the correspondent business is lower. That drives down some of the commission compensation expense there. Depending upon that fluctuations in that business, that'll impact NIE as well. But also in Q4, we'd expect this probably continued incentive accruals that will drive that number up. Still feel like Q4, that number we've been guiding towards of low 230s, maybe high 220s, it feels like a good number.
You know, looking ahead to next year, I'd say we're, you know, for NIE, we're still in the process of our budgeting cycle, which is a very thorough bottoms-up process where we review requests for capital in the form of fixed asset dollars, as well as technology dollars, as well as in terms of investment in people dollars, and, you know, make decisions about those requests based on, you know, projected capital returns across the company. That's our normal cycle. We're in the middle of it now. We'll have better guidance we'll be able to give on NIE when we get to our January call. I'll just reiterate that we remain, you know, very focused on trying to manage our expenses in every environment, including one that's got some inflationary pressures like this one.
We've done a good job, I think, this year with our incentive plans of keeping that front of mind with our teams and hope to do so next year as well.
Great. Thanks for all the color. Thank you, guys. Bailey, do we have any other questions in the queue?
Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of Stephen Scouten from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Oh, yeah, sorry about that, guys.
Stephen, you might be on mute.
I was curious around your residential mortgage production, kind of how you're thinking about that in this rate environment, putting more of that on balance sheet, and you know, kind of around funding and rate paid on the resi mortgage side.
Sure, Stephen. Yeah, we talk about our residential portfolio on page 14 and 15 in the deck. Just a couple of points to make there, and then I'll try to kind of frame all that up. You know, last quarter, in the third quarter, we produced about $1.1 billion in production. 78% of that was portfolio, 22% was a secondary. Of course, 92% was purchased. You know, a lot of this is, you know, the refi business is pretty much done.
You know, on page 15, we show a historical look at the residential portfolio growth and shrinkage over the past two and a half years and characterize that around gain on sale spreads and mortgage rates. You know, the key takeaway when you look at that slide is we've sort of used residential as a balance sheet management tool. You know, when rates are low and gain on sale margins were high back in 2020 and 2021, we sold most of the production and took the fee income. Lately, when rates have risen and gain on sale margins have declined, we've grown the portfolio balances over the last couple of quarters.
You know, since if you kind of take a cycle look at since the December of 2019, we're up only $450 million in total or 8%, over that two and a half years period. This quarter, we produced about $825 million of portfolio production. 47% of that was for our professional deposit program and, you know, we like that credit. We think that's an appropriate place to put the production to put on our balance sheet. Having said all that, you know, residential production will slow, along with, you know, a lot of other production.
You know, this year we'll probably do somewhere in the $4.5 billion range relative to production of which, you know, the entire period will be about 70% of that will be portfolio. If you look at next year, you know, our preliminary forecast, and it'll continue to get sharpened up, but it's probably more like $3 billion, which is about what we did in 2019 before we had the pandemic. We're thinking that's probably more like 60% portfolio, 40% secondary.
Just, you know, if you think about the balance sheet, we're gonna probably produce more as we get into 2023 just because the shock in rates, and we have to kind of work through that period, for the next six to nine, 12 months or whatever before rates start stabilizing and production, you know, gets back where it might have been, this year. Is that helpful?
Yeah, it's extremely helpful. Thanks, Steve. Maybe a quick follow-up on Michael's earlier question around kind of the reduction in asset sensitivity. Is that primarily a reduction just as you've deployed more of the excess liquidity and you do expect betas to move higher from here? What's the main driver around that kind of quarter-over-quarter change in the modeling?
Yeah. The main driver in that is our assumption around deposit beta. You know, if you looked at it from the first quarter, our NIM was 2.77%. This quarter it's 3.55%, so we're up 78 basis points, and our deposit beta is only at 3%. So if you just run the math and say, you know, based on history, our deposit beta is gonna be 24% in the entire cycle versus where we are, that's really what's driving this. We've picked up a lot of asset sensitivity from here. The question really that is gonna be difficult to answer for anybody is what is deposit beta gonna do over the next 12 months?
The best thing that we can model is our history, and that's, you know, the reason that asset sensitivity comes down. Then we'll see how everybody performs over the next year or so.
Also remind you, Stephen, that is a static balance sheet model, so, you know, it has no changes in the mix or anything like that. It's, you know-
Okay.
It's an indicator rather than a guide.
Great. Good reminder, Will. Thank you. Last question, I guess, for me is just, you know, things have been trending phenomenally well for you guys, I think, the last couple of years really, obviously, but for a longer period of time as well. But the stock has outperformed significantly year to date. How does that make you all think about the M&A environment, given the value of your currency, especially coupled with the rate environment markets, etc.? How should we think about the likelihood of you guys dipping your toe back into the M&A game?
It feels like the M&A environment's gonna be a little slow for the next few quarters, Stephen, just with PE valuations where they are, uncertainty around inflation and a recession. I think we've got a little more work to do internally to continue to refine our processes and our technology. M&A in the short term is not a high priority.
Got it. Thanks, John. A lot of great color on the call today. Appreciate it, everyone.
Thank you. The next question today comes from the line of David Bishop from Hovde Group. Please go ahead, your line is now open.
Yeah, good morning. Yeah, again, as Steve said, I appreciate all the guidance there. As it pertains to the balance sheet, just curious, you know, exiting the quarter, your view of excess cash. I'm just curious maybe what you view as a floor for that. Does it get back to the pre-pandemic level, about $1.2 billion? Just maybe your view of sort of excess cash and liquidity at this standpoint. Thanks.
Hey, David. It's a good question. This is Steve. Yeah, that's right. Around 2.5% of assets, give or take, is probably sort of the floor for cash. As you know, we have very little in the way of wholesale. We haven't drawn any of that down. You know, I think our brokered CDs are about $150 million or so that we did during the pandemic. We did long-term CDs. We have no Federal Home Loan Bank borrowings. We have quite a few levers relative to the flexibility within our balance sheet to raise cash. Yeah, I think that's a good way to think about the modeling.
That's, you know, if you kind of run that out, that's probably an 80% loan deposit ratio at the end of 2023 and roughly around 2.5%, 3% of assets in cash if we do what we just spoke about. Got it. One follow-up in terms of the loan loss provision this quarter. Just curious how much of that was sort of deterioration in maybe the model-driven inputs. Was that a factor in higher unemployment rate outlook? Just curious maybe what sort of drove that elevated provision and what we should think about that moving into 2023. Thank you.
Yeah, Dave, that's exactly right. You know, of course, as you know, with CECL, you have loss drivers that are selected based on statistical correlation with prior loss events, and in our case, dates back to 2000, the year 2000 for every bank that makes up South State, with the exception of failed banks. You know, as we've looked at Moody's forecasts each quarter, we do a pretty thorough analysis of not only the output they have in these various economic things, but the underlying assumptions behind them. From that, we make a judgment about whether we believe Moody's is right on the money or maybe a little too optimistic or pessimistic. For several quarters now, we have viewed Moody's as being more optimistic.
Moody's baseline. I'm talking about their baseline, and their baseline is pretty similar to consensus. We have been weighting more pessimistically. You know, we did find Moody's did move more pessimistically between Q2 and Q3, which did drive some of those loss drivers to be more, you know, indicative of higher losses. We continue to be, you know, weight our weight in the recession scenario, which is S3, in for a decent portion of our allowance. Yeah, the loss driver was totally based on that. As you saw, in the quarter, you know, we had net recoveries in the quarter, and generally pretty consistent asset quality metrics. Really the loss drivers from Moody's or the economic forecast from Moody's really drove our provision expense this quarter.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question today comes from the line of Katherine Miller from KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Thanks. Good morning.
Hey, good morning.
Good morning.
One follow-up on the margin. We spent a lot of time talking about the deposit betas, but just wanted to get your thoughts, Steve, on loan yields. You saw a nice increase in your loan yields this quarter. What are you thinking about for kind of where new loans are coming on and then what ultimately loan betas may be over the cycle as well?
Yeah. Thanks, Katherine. You know, pretty much the same. We have a slide in our deck that speaks to, I think it's page 19, which speaks to the loan repricing frequency. What that basically says is about 30% of our loan portfolio reprices on a kind of daily basis. Whenever, you know, they raise rates, it goes up. Then we also have another 11% that reprices, that are adjustable that will reprice in the next year. Total, 41% of the portfolio will reprice in the next twelve months. That's probably a good indication of sort of how we think about beta. On the short end, it's roughly 30%, you know, on that.
Then over time, as you produce more and as those adjustments come in the adjustable rate book, there's another 11% that will reprice. You know, as it relates to loan yield, obviously, we had a big shock in interest rates in the third quarter, and so our loan yield continued to move up and I think by the end of the quarter was over 5% for new production. You know, of course, some of that's floating and then as they raise rates, it'll go over 6% just because it's floating. Anyway, hopefully that's a good characterization of how we're thinking about loan betas from here.
Katherine, I'll just add that, you know.
That's helpful.
We benefit from the lag effect on the deposit side. There's a little bit of a lag effect on the loan side too as the market and lenders acclimate to rising rates, particularly ones moving as fast as these have. You have commitments out there that take a little bit to close, so there's a lag effect on both sides.
Great. Okay. Do you have the rate at which loan yields were, maybe for the month of September?
Yeah. Katherine, I don't know exactly right in front of me, but it was just north of 5%. I don't have the number, but it was just north of 5% for the month of September.
Great. Okay. No, that's helpful. That's great. One just follow-up on the reserve. I noticed that your reserve for unfunded commitments increased a little bit more this quarter. Just any commentary on what drove that?
No, Katherine. You know, we did have some growth in our unfunded commitments in the quarter and just sort of how the math worked out. You know, when we think about the reserve and our allowance committee, we do sort of think about it as a whole, so that the 131 basis point number versus the 113 basis point number. It'll fluctuate quarter to quarter. The fluctuation in the portion that goes in the reserve for unfunded, i.e., the liability versus the allowance for credit losses, the contra asset, it does swing quarter to quarter. You know, I kind of think of it in terms of the combination of the two.
Great. Okay. That's all. I was just making sure there wasn't anything just to be aware of in terms of change in how you were accounting or provisioning for that.
No.
All right. I got it. Everything else was answered. Thank you very much. Great quarter, guys.
Thank you, Katherine.
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Hey, thanks very much. Will and John, I know you gave a lot of details on the reserve on prior questions. I noticed that the CECL reserve for the unfunded commitments went up a pretty good amount this quarter, and that the unfunded commitments themselves grew a lot from June to September. Just wanted to get a little more background on that. Is that unusual or is more of that sort of line growth possible in the future?
Yeah, I don't think it's anything unusual, Chris. You know, dovetailing in with the question Katherine just asked, you know, that was some of the reasons for the growth in the total reserve being more towards unfunded commitments. But in terms of our, you know, I don't know. You wanna comment on that, John?
Yeah, I mean, other than just to say that the unfunded commitments really HELOCs and C&Is have been relatively flat. We have not yet returned to the funding levels we had pre-pandemic. We're about 5%-10% under the funding we had before the pandemic.
Yeah.
It gives our clients some flexibility going into if there's a recession.
Yeah, it's interesting, you know, Chris, as we've seen with some of our other releasers that are trying to see higher line utilization. I'm sure we will at some point, but thus far we're still below pre-pandemic levels across, pretty much across the board.
Okay. I was looking at the $9.9 billion that's up from the $8.2 billion from June to September. If I somehow missed that's fine. I guess my follow-up question just relates to kind of what you're seeing from your clients on the fixed income side as it pertains to kind of their use of wholesale funds. You know, do you expect them to be net borrowers, and does that possibly spill over into additional business? I know the guide that Steve gave earlier, which was very helpful, just kind of want to get more context in terms of their behavior changes that might be happening.
Yeah, Chris, yeah, very interesting move. You know, to your point, you know, there was a lot of liquidity out in the system, probably nine months ago, and because of the loan growth and maybe the Fed doing quantitative tightening, you know, that liquidity has definitely come down for our correspondent bank clients. We are seeing, as opposed to more fixed income, some borrowers from the brokerage market and system sales from our desk there. But, you know, most of our clients, and I'll speak to the community bank clients, you know, typically have lower loan to deposit ratios and have really good funding bases.
Most of them, you know, probably are much bigger users of fixed income because they have excess liquidity and lower loan to deposit ratios than they are of buying brokerage CDs or, you know, buying or issuing brokerage CDs. Clearly there's been an uptick on our desk, which I'm sure is true for everybody just because, you know, certain clients are using it more than, you know, call it a year ago.
Sounds good, Steve. Thanks very much, and thanks again for all the information this morning.
All right. Thanks, Chris.
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