Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the S&T Bancorp first quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed on listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mark Kochvar, CFO at S&T Bancorp. Sir, the floor is yours.
Well, thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call. Before beginning the presentation, I want to take time to refer you to our statement about forward-looking statements and risk factors, which is on the screen in front of you. The statement provides cautionary language required by the Securities and Exchange Commission for forward-looking statements that may be included in this presentation. A copy of the first quarter 2022 earnings release can be obtained by clicking on the press release link on your screen or by visiting our investor relations website at www.stbancorp.com. We will be reviewing an earnings supplement slide deck as part of this presentation. You can obtain a copy of those slides on our website under Events and Presentation. First quarter 2022 earnings conference call, click on the first quarter 2022 earnings supplement.
With me today are Chris McComish, S&T's CEO, and Dave Antolik, S&T's President. I'd now like to turn the program over to Chris. Chris?
Thank you, Mark, and good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for joining us. We look forward to this discussion of our Q1 performance as well as taking your questions. Before I give a brief overview of the numbers, I wanted to start off with some making sure everybody's aware of some recognition that we received from J.D. Power recently around retail customer service and retail satisfaction here in what they define as the Pennsylvania region. We were named as the number one bank based on their survey of bank customers. This is a really big deal for our company and certainly for our employees. It's a tremendous compliment when you receive feedback like this from those that are, you know, talking to our customers on an independent basis.
It's something that we do not take lightly, but it's certainly something that we have great pride in. We obviously want to thank our customers for the confidence that they show in us and certainly congratulate our teammates for this achievement. It gives us great optimism and confidence as we move forward. As you see on the first slide titled f irst quarter Overview, we had a very nice quarter. From a numbers perspective, we posted $0.74 a share, up from $0.57 a share, and that totaled a little over $29 million in net income. We saw improvements in both margins and credit quality in the quarter.
Credit quality improvement is in line with our focus on achieving a better balance of growth underpinned by a focus on safety and soundness. The margin improvement was aided by better deposit mix as well as the asset sensitive nature of our balance sheet in a rising rate environment. As we look forward, this asset sensitive nature of our balance sheet really does give us optimism as we move through the year and for continued improvement in both net interest income as well as net interest margins. I also want to take note around our dividend increase for the quarter. We increased the dividend by 3.4% to $0.30 a share.
This is the second increase that we've delivered in the last three quarters, and it is a reflection of the value that we have in those that are investing in our company and our desire to give back to them as well. Turning to the next page titled Balance Sheet, I'm going to turn it over to Dave Antolik to give us more details. A couple of notes here. One, as we talked about, and this is really a reflection of customer relationships, and that is our deposits remain stable. Actually the mix showed some improvement in the quarter as low cost core deposit growth remained in great shape and we migrated some higher cost deposits off the balance sheet.
Our securities portfolio also increased in the quarter, which will help improve NIM and yields, deploying about $117 million from cash into higher yielding assets. Lots to be proud of in the loan book over the quarter, particularly in the consumer space. This was strategic work that we've been doing within our customer base, that we believe that there were opportunities with those customers and good solid execution, not only in this quarter, but over the past few months has resulted in that growth. I'm going to turn it over to Dave and allow him to give us more details.
Well, thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to continue with some additional details relating to page four. As you may recall, in Q4 we saw broad-based loan growth. That growth allowed us to enjoy a $54 million increase in average loan balances here in Q1. In our consumer segment, as Chris mentioned, absolute net loan growth continued at an annualized rate of 9.8%, also evidenced by increases in all consumer segments. We continue to see success in all regions with our home equity and first lien residential mortgage and construction products. I'm very pleased with the progress our consumer team has made post-pandemic in fully engaging our Eastern Pennsylvania branch network. That region has seen significant increases in activity and pipeline.
We carry improved consumer pipelines into Q2 and anticipate balanced growth to continue at a slightly higher annualized level, low double-digit growth rate in the coming quarters. Supporting this growth is the addition of three new mortgage loan officers year to date. On the commercial side, production in Q1 met our expectations and exceeded Q1 of 2021 by 13%. Growth was dampened in Q1 by elevated payoffs. The primary reason for this was based on our strategic decisions to allow certain loans to pay off due to structure or pricing. Pipelines in Q2 on the commercial side are similar in size as compared to Q1, and we have seen increases in our revolving C&I utilization rates quarter-over-quarter, and they are now nearing pre-pandemic levels.
Based on the decisions that we made to allow for certain C&I payoffs, our total revolving commitments reduced in the quarter by approximately 3%. We continue to closely monitor activities in the commercial segment, and based upon current pipeline levels, we anticipate similar results in Q2 and low- to mid-single digit annualized growth rates in the second half of the year. Slide five provides some details regarding our asset quality trends. As you can see, our NPAs declined by 25% when compared to Q4. Our special assets team was able to complete the full liquidation of two significant and long-lasting workout credits, and we also saw positive movement of several hospitality credits as they return to accrual. There were no meaningful NPA inflows in Q1.
We also experienced a 12% reduction in C&C assets in Q1, primarily related to the hospitality portfolio. I'll turn it over to Mark to continue the conversation.
Great. Thanks, Dave. On the left-hand side of the asset quality sheet of page five, we detail some of the movement in the allowance for credit losses between the quarters. The ACL increased by about two basis points or $1.3 million. The lower quantitative reserves came as a result of rating upgrades and better loss experience, but was offset by higher specific reserves and a somewhat more cautious forecast given the rising macro uncertainties. Moving on to page six, the net interest income. Core net interest income, excluding PPP, increased $0.7 million compared to the fourth quarter as short rates increased at the very end of the quarter, and we saw a better asset mix with higher average loans and securities and a decrease in cash.
Total net interest income declined by $0.7 million due to the headwinds from lower PPP income, which decreased by $1.4 million compared to the fourth quarter and with two fewer days. The NIM, excluding PPP, increased seven basis points, primarily due to the improved asset mix. We're well-positioned to benefit from rising rates with over 50% of our loans indexed to LIBOR, SOFR or prime. The favorable impact was only about half a million in Q1, but we expect that to expand as we have the full quarter of the 25 basis point move from March and with the anticipated additional rate moves this quarter. Our interest income will improve by at least $7 million annualized for every 25 basis point increase.
We expect early deposit data to be muted, and we have not experienced significant pressure to date, but that is likely to change as the pace of the Fed moves quickens and competition reacts. Moving to slide seven in non-interest income, which decreased by $0.9 million in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter, primarily due to valuation changes in a deferred compensation plan, which shows up in the other category. This has no net P&L impact as there is an offset in lower expenses. Debit card activity was strong, improved further this quarter, up $0.6 million. Offsetting that is moderating mortgage banking income as refis have slowed and more of our origination volume is moving to the portfolio. We still expect the run rate to be in the $15 million-$16 million per quarter range.
Slide eight, non-interest expense declined by $2.8 million from last quarter. The biggest improvement came in salaries and benefits, where we had much higher incentive payouts in the fourth quarter. This decrease was partially offset by increased OREO expense, which shows up in the other category. We still expect expenses to be in the $49 million-$50 million range per quarter going forward as we continue to make investments in our business and see expenses being under some pressure, particularly due to the tight labor market. On slide nine, capital. We have strong capital levels and are well-positioned for growth. Our board extended our share repurchase plan through March of 2023. There's about $37.4 million available in that plan. While we have no immediate plans for buybacks, we continue to evaluate the situation given recent stock price changes.
Our preference is certainly to remains to deploy the capital for organic growth and strategic investments. We did experience limited tangible book value dilution of about 2.6% this quarter, owing to a relatively smaller securities portfolio at less than 11% of assets. Our TCE declined by just 17 basis points and stands currently at the end of the quarter at 8.91%. Thanks very much. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to the operator to provide instructions for asking questions.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. We ask that while posing your question, you please pick up your handset if listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Once again, please press star one if you have any questions at this time. The first question is coming from Daniel Tamayo from Raymond James. Daniel, your line is live.
Hey, good afternoon, everybody.
Hey, Dan.
Maybe we can start on the loan growth. Got your guidance on the low double-digit growth in the consumer book, and then the low to mid-single digit annualized on the commercial. I think you said that second quarter is going to be similar to the first quarter in commercial. You know, putting that all together, is there a kind of a range that you would point us towards for loan growth for the rest of the year?
Yeah. The growth is going to be concentrated in the second half of the year. We would guide to mid-single-digit growth on an annualized basis for the remainder of the year.
Got it. All right. I appreciate that. You know, maybe we can talk about the margin a little bit and the net interest income outlook with all the changing, you know, the change in the rate outlook. You talked about the $7 million annualized on the asset side being the initial benefit. I think last quarter you mentioned that may build up to $9 million over time as floors are reached. Just wanted to get your updated thoughts there. Just thinking through how the excess cash assumptions are factored in there as well. Thanks.
Yeah. For the margin, the those numbers haven't changed. We still that, you know, first 25 basis points is at the $7 million. By the time we get to about 100 basis points, we've worked through our our floors and should be closer to $9 million. Again, that's interest income. That's before any increases on the on the deposit side. What was the second part of your question? I'm sorry.
Just what-
Oh, yeah.
Any excess cash deployment assumptions you're making?
Yeah. On the cash. We did put some cash to work here in the first quarter. We're taking another look at that given the changing outlook in loans. It's a little bit different than what we had anticipated earlier in the year with the more uncertainty in the macro outlook. We may look to deploy a little bit more in securities as we move throughout the year, depending on how the loan growth materializes.
Okay, perfect. All right. I'll step back. Appreciate your answers.
Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is coming from Michael Perito from KBW. Michael, your line is live.
Hey, guys. Good afternoon.
Hi, Mike.
Quick clarification question. I'm wondering on the $15 million-$16 million quarterly non-interest income target. Curious, Mark, what you guys are assuming around the mortgage piece. I mean, on one hand it sounds like you're adding some producers there, but you know, on the other hand, you hear kind of supply issues that are starting to bake into the run rate here. I'm just curious where you have that pipeline, that overall kind of fee line trending off of this kind of low point we saw this quarter, you know, over the last two years.
That mortgage number is closer to about $1 million a quarter or so. That includes the servicing, which is more stable. It's probably about half and half between servicing and fees from origination. We are seeing more activity on the mortgage side because there are larger loans going to the portfolio and also an increase in home equity activity. As you know, the refi boom kind of is stopping, the people looking to take advantage of equity in their homes are looking more to the home equity side to fund those activities. In the fee side, it may be about $5 million of that per quarter.
Got it.
mortgage related.
It's fair to say then that, you know, with that $1 million in hand, you know, to maintain this run rate, you guys are expecting some of the debit and credit card and other deposit fees and things that have kind of ramped up nicely over the last few quarters to remain at these levels?
Yeah. Mike, this is Chris. That's exactly right. I mean, we look at the, you know, we kind of bifurcate that fee income line item into, you know, there's lots of variability in the mortgage fees and watching and monitoring and focusing on growth on that. The true customer activity, when you think about debit card, treasury management fee income, those sorts of things, that sort of activity level is an important one for us and a key metric that we're focused on. That's what we'd like to see a lot more, you know, continued growth there to offset the variability on the mortgage side.
Got it. Thank you, guys. Just two more quick ones. The first on credit, anything else, you know, obviously the 12-month comps look great, but anything else of size or consequence near term that we should be mindful of in terms of stuff that, you know, might repair itself or be offloaded or just anything else, you know, that you have visibility on today?
Nothing beyond what we've commented on, Mike. I think broadly, if you look at delinquency NPL, you know, TDR, special mention, substandard, everything's trending in the right direction for Q1. As Mark mentioned with regard to the reserve, we did add a little bit to the reserve in order to anticipate, you know, upcoming potential macroeconomic changes that might impact credit performance. There's nothing specifically that I would point to beyond what we mentioned.
Got it. Just lastly, you know, with the impacts on the balance sheet from AOCI this quarter and the margin inflecting, I mean, we could theoretically be at, you know, kind of at a low point from a capital standpoint. You know, I mean, I think you guys could build from here, you know, pretty materially. With the non-performers, it's such a smaller percentage now. Do you think there could be a bit more of an aggressive posture around capital deployment, outside of, you know, the M&A and organic stuff that you've been considering all along?
Again, we're looking at that. You know, that's also a function about, you know, how our stock price is, you know, at, you know, as we get farther above 30, the math and the return starts to get less attractive to us. So that is something we're looking at. But again, our preference is growth and strategic initiatives. So, we're reluctant to, you know, spend that in light of improvements in earnings coming from the rate side, you know, to spend that on the capital side at this point in time.
Got it. Actually, just one last one. Sorry. Just on that point. Do you think it's fair and comfortable to say that with the growth pipelines you have today and with some excess cash still likely to be normalized, that you can stay under $10 billion without kind of materially altering your strategy for the duration of this year or next, or do you think that you would think about it differently?
Yeah. Again, you know, we're not targeting a specific timeframe to hit, but I think you're right. You know, we still have, you know, $750 million of cash. With a little bit lighter loan outlook, you know, we're looking at, you know, potentially up to two years at that pace before we would naturally cross.
Great. Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
Thanks, Mike.
Thank you. The next question is coming from Russell Gunther from D.A. Davidson. Russell, your line is live.
Hey, Good afternoon, guys.
Hey, Russell.
Hi, Russell.
Hi.
Do you have a view internally in terms of number of rate hikes you're budgeting for? You know, if so, how are you guys thinking about deposit betas in the early innings of a hike cycle versus later? I know you expect them to be muted near term, but, you know, as we move through a rate hike cycle potentially pretty quickly this year, has anything structurally changed in your view as to how deposit betas will perform in this cycle versus prior?
Well, that's a really interesting question. I mean, the only thing I'm not very good at is predicting what the Fed will do. You know, we'll tend to run a lot of different scenarios just to understand where our pressure points are. On the beta side, you know, the one thing that is different for us last time around versus this time is one, just our balance sheet mix is different, especially on the liability side, where last cycle we had almost $1 billion worth of short borrowings debt, and we were a net borrower. You know, that has flipped to where we have this excess cash position. The clarity is much better than it was last cycle. That gives us a different view on how we handle deposit pricing.
The second thing is that in the last rate cycle, we had also a deposit product that was tied to Fed funds, and that had almost $1 billion, close to $1.5 billion, $1.4 billion in it. We have restructured that product so that it's no longer directly indexed to the Fed funds. It gives, you know, management and the bank much more control over the timing of that pricing, a potential pricing increase. We think on the beta side that there's just a different outlook that we have. You know, it'll still depend on how competition, how customers react to this, but we feel like we can manage that a little bit better in this cycle.
That's really helpful. I appreciate it. Just back to the asset quality discussion. Certainly a good quarter in terms of how things have trended. Are you able to provide any additional color in terms of the increase, the specific increase in the reserve this quarter that you mentioned, the $2.7 million? Any additional thoughts on, you know, what that qualitative adjustment attempts to capture for and where that conservatism might manifest itself on the balance sheet?
On the specific reserve, there are a couple of credits that we are watching closely that resulted in that add to specific reserves. We do expect resolution of that possibly in second quarter, but I would expect also no later than third quarter. That one we'll hopefully get cleaned up without significant additional P&L impact, since we believe we have that mostly covered, if not all covered. On the reserve side, you know. On the forecast side, it was more general. Our primary indicators are unemployment, and those look pretty good. If we only looked at unemployment as the indicator for the forecast, we probably would not make any adjustments.
Looking beyond that, which we have the ability to do in our model, that's where some of the uncertainty comes in. That's, you know, just the character and type that and the way unemployment and that dynamic works in this in this round of how the economy and how the macro is playing out may not be as predictive as maybe it has in the past. We're conscious of that. There's no specific area that that applies to.
Yeah. It's not necessarily a specific portfolio or
Right.
A bucket. You know, Russell, it's, you know, it doesn't take long to turn on the news to talk about, you know, kind of all things inflation, be it from rates or to the commodities costs to people costs, those sorts of things. We know we've got to be diligent, pay attention and, you know, do the stress testing necessary within the portfolio. We, like all financial institutions, are proactively monitoring it.
I appreciate that, guys. Thank you.
Sure thing.
Last one for me, you know, is you answered the kind of organic $10 billion in assets question. I'm just curious to get an update in terms of M&A, your appetite, the geographic and business models that you're particularly interested in, and any thoughts on the pace of those conversations. Thank you.
Yeah. We continue to have active discussions and, you know, this is Chris. It's a big reason why we came here. I came to be part of this team. You know, we got a foundation that we're building. When you build a foundation that's focused on, you know, customers saying good things about you as it relates to J.D. Power and building the processes necessary to put in place to focus on things like credit quality and safety and soundness, and then adding talent to the team, both internally and externally. All of those things represent, you know, the foundation for growth that we're optimistic about. We like this area of the country a lot.
Like, you put a pin in the map here and, you know, draw a 200-mile circle around Pittsburgh, you end up with, I think, around 60% of the population of this country. Lots of middle market businesses, which is where we've been core to for a long time. Relationship based markets that meet with our culture and who we are as a company. All those things give us optimism for the future. Our job is to execute every day and every quarter and deliver performance, you know, more similar to what we've done this quarter. That's going to give us the opportunity for those inorganic opportunities.
When it happens, we can't control, but we certainly are going to work hard every day to control the execution and delivery of performance, and that's where we're focused.
Okay. Thank you. The next question is coming from Matthew Breese from Stephens. Matthew, your line is live.
Hey, good afternoon, everybody.
Good afternoon.
I wanted to go back to the deposit cost discussion, not specifically betas, but have you changed your core rates at all or promotional rates? You know, maybe are you seeing customers start to get eager and ask for, you know, more often asking for exception-based pricing?
We've mostly lowered ours as far as we could lower them over in the second half of last year, so there was not a lot of room. I did mention the restructuring that we did on this floating index account that took place during the first quarter, at the end of the first quarter, and did result in a modest decrease in the overall rate of that book of business. As far as exceptions go, it's been, you know, we're meeting very frequently on that. We've had less than a handful of outright requests from people for rate increases. Now, again, we do expect that to increase, but so far it has been very light.
I think where we're seeing some of it is, you know, we've got a little bit of municipal business. You see the counties and the cities and municipalities looking for things that look like transactional rates. Outside of that, there's not much of it at all.
Got it. Okay.
You can see the decline in that interest-bearing quarter-over-quarter as reflective of that.
Yep. On the growth front, you know, it sounds like in the near term we should expect more consumer heavy growth versus commercial. I was curious, you know, beyond just the near term, how much of that change in mix shift of growth, what's coming in the door is strategic versus taking what the market gives you? Should we expect more consumer-based growth from S&T?
Yeah, no, I mean, we are, at our foundation, a commercial bank and a middle market commercial bank and a middle market commercial real estate bank. We're really good at it. We've had an opportunity within our consumer book. There was latent business there. This is Chris McComish. The thing that I'm so pleased with is this is representative of expansion of customer relationships that does not look like transactional business. Really this is, you know, taking that deposit book that we have and providing more product and service to those customers when they need it. From a strategy standpoint, it certainly was strategic in finding an opportunity and working hard and executing every day on that opportunity.
It shouldn't in any way lead you to believe that we're, you know, shifting our focus away from the commercial business. Our commercial middle market and business banking business is critically important to us. We have gone through some changes over the past few months from ensuring that we understand clearly what our credit risk appetite is and what the returns need to look like in our businesses. That gave us the opportunity to look at a couple of opportunities and make proactive decisions there on some transactions that just didn't meet our hurdles. Our teams are highly engaged. As Dave said, we produced as much commercial business this quarter as we did and actually year-over-year, more commercial business. It just ended up with the makeup on the balance sheet looking a little bit different.
Got it. Maybe just to follow up on that, Chris, in the spirit of learning a bit more about, you know, how you are going to change the direction of S&T, can you give us a sense for the types of projects or, you know, how you've been most using your time since you know entering the CEO seat? What are the top three or four priorities, you know, for you over the next, you know, not the near term, but the next 12, 24 months?
Some of it has been around building the team. You may look and see one of our last decks that were out there, just the amount of change we've had with kind of the broader C-suite and executive levels within the company. We'll continue to bring in and enhance talent there. We have a transition in our Chief Credit Officer role with a retirement coming up. We're very focused on that role. Everything around kind of building the talent and the level and effectiveness of the team. We spent a lot of time focused on kind of all things commercial banking, particularly the loan origination and portfolio management process.
We've got a project underway that's been going on for the past couple months that we've defined, you know, internally as Steel Curtain, and it gives us an idea of doing all things right from a portfolio management and a credit risk management standpoint, but at the same time, working as teams to be more proactively engaged with our customers to, you know, improve turn times and improve effectiveness around the credit origination process. That work has gone really well from the standpoint of bringing our teams together and connecting them. Dave talked earlier about, you know, growth in the eastern part of the state of Pennsylvania and operating in more of a consistent and effective way across our network. Some pure foundation building relative to execution effectiveness.
Thinking more strategically about what growth could look like and where it could come from. That's still relatively early days, but we know that that's the work that's happening now and exploiting opportunities there. We're doing more to continue to enhance our digital capabilities and digital effectiveness, so things like online banking and those sorts of things that is to come, but we're very focused there. Getting the name out in the marketplace. This I've talked to the team about it. We need to be more bold. The idea of that J.D. Power Award is a great example.
We didn't have anything to do with who the customers were that they surveyed or when they were surveying them or any of those sorts of things. You know, our customers said better things about us than our competitors' customers said about them. I think we've been a little too humble, and we have an opportunity to be more forceful, particularly here in Western Pennsylvania, in places like Pittsburgh. We've got great name recognition from the team, who the people are on the field. I think there's an opportunity to take advantage of that. A little bit of forceful outward approach relative to who we are in the market and how we're gonna win.
A lot of work foundationally on being more effective in the way that we execute and then building some talent on the team.
Great. Well, I appreciate all that commentary. Thank you.
Perfect.
That's all I had.
Yeah. Thanks for the question. I like to talk about it.
Thank you. The next question is coming from Daniel Cardenas from Boenning & Scattergood. Daniel, your line is live.
Good morning.
Yeah, Dan.
A quick question on, I guess, in regards to the securities portfolio, the growth we saw this quarter and expectations for perhaps some additional growth. I mean, does a rising rate environment really? Is that gonna impact the timing of the growth in the securities portfolio?
The timing for me is more about the loan growth trajectory than rates per se.
Okay, good. Any thoughts of moving some of that available-for-sale portfolio into a held-to-maturity component to maybe smooth out the ups and downs of OCI?
No, I mean, you know, we do have a smaller security portfolio, so I still have, you know, we still have the clarity in the back of our minds. I mean, that never leaves. With a smaller security book, I just feel like there's a little bit less room for us to park, you know, to move that take and try to take advantage of that. We don't have plans right now to do anything along those lines.
Okay. What's your duration on that portfolio?
It's around 3.5 years, 3.5 to four.
All righty. As we look at operating expenses, and thank you for the guidance on that, will the majority of the increases going forward be primarily in compensation line items, or are there other items that we could see significant growth in as you continue to grow the footprint?
I would expect, you know, the salaries is up, you know, they've expensed. That's probably where I see the largest dollar increase. But we also have several initiatives underway that on the system side, so we'll see some expense increase. It ends up in the equipment and both the equipment and data processing line. Those are probably the two or three primary areas where we'll see expense increases.
Okay. Last question. Just, for modeling purposes, how should I think about your tax rate for the remainder of the year?
We're staying, you know, right around 19% or so, to the extent that we have a better pre-tax from the rate increases, depending on how that materializes. You know, that 19% could drift up by, you know, a quarter of a point or so, depending on the amount of
Additional pretax that we have, that you know that 19% is a result of kind of a fixed amount of permanent items and tax credits, things like that. Those aren't gonna change much, so the rate will fluctuate depending on that. It's kind of like incremental from here. You know, any additional pretax would be at the 21% and then, you know, factored in that way.
Okay. Good. Good. Any comments from customers regarding inflationary pressures, impacting their ability to meet their lending obligations or their borrowing obligations, I should say?
Yeah. I don't know that there have been. I've been out in the market quite a bit here recently, Dan. I think there is, you know, continuing concern over supply chain and labor costs. You know, access to capital has not been at the forefront of those conversations. I would expect that to become more of a topic in the coming quarters. I think it is a reasonable conclusion to ask that question given the current environment with inflation.
Yeah. Certainly, you know, you think in our portfolio review processes with our customers, those are the exact questions we're asking. How are you planning for those things? What do you see happening? You know.
How much more or I guess how many more rate increases do we have to see before you begin to get maybe dig a little bit deeper into the loan portfolio than what you have done so far?
Well, we're doing that now. We're looking at all of our deals on the front end and through the portfolio management, you know, annual review process, quarterly review process to see what impact increasing rates will have, you know, from a stress perspective on EBITDA or NOI on real estate deals. We built that into our processes.
Okay, great. I'll step back. Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
Yeah. Thanks, Dan.
Thank you. There were no other questions from queue at this time.
Okay. Well, listen, thanks for the great dialogue and your interest in our organization. Again, we're very proud of the performance we delivered this quarter. We're certainly proud of the recognition we've received, and we look forward to talking again soon. In the meantime, we're gonna go back to work. Thank you.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.