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Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Nov 2, 2020

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and welcome to Skyworks Solutions 4th Quarter and Fiscal Year 2020 Earnings Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, I will turn the call over to Mitch Haws, Investor Relations for Skyworks. Mr. Haws, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ross. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Skyworks' 4th fiscal quarter year end 2020 conference call. With me today are Liam Griffin, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Senesaw, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that our discussion will include statements relating to future results and expectations that are or may be considered forward looking statements. Please refer to our earnings press release and recent SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10 ks, for information on certain risks that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially and adversely from any forward looking statements made today.

Additionally, the results and guidance we will discuss include non GAAP financial measures consistent with our prior practice. Please refer to our press release within the Investor Relations section of our company website for a complete reconciliation to GAAP. With that, I'll turn the call to Liam.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mitch, and welcome, everyone. Skyworks delivered exceptional results in the 4th fiscal quarter with revenue and earnings well ahead of our guidance. Importantly, the momentum spanned across our entire customer base, mobile, IoT, automotive, cognitive audio and infrastructure. In fact, revenues in our mobile and broad markets portfolios each grew 30% sequentially and generated double digit growth compared to Q4 of last year. Now looking at the quarter in more detail.

We delivered revenue of $957,000,000 more than $100,000,000 above the high end of our guidance. We achieved gross margin of 50.4 percent and operating margin of 35%. We posted earnings per share of $1.85 exceeding our guidance by $0.34 and we generated strong operating cash flow, totaling $267,000,000 in the quarter. Capitalizing on years of investment in next technology generation products, we are now both driving and benefiting from the rollout of 5 gs in markets around the world. Recent data points highlight just how rapidly this adoption is accelerating.

38 countries have already launched 5 gs networks with more regions set to deploy. And already in 2020, 12% of the world's smartphones are 5 gs enabled, with projections of over 50% by 2023. Notably, the world's leading smartphone manufacturer has just now released its entire lineup of new 5 gs devices, a key catalyst underpinning our growth thesis. Although we are only in the early innings, 5 gs has arrived, ushering in a new and expansive set of opportunities. During the quarter, our solutions powered a broad set of use cases, from the newest and most innovative smartphones to industrial IoT, automotive, cognitive audio and touchless commerce.

Specifically in mobile, we accelerated the ramp of our Sky5 portfolio while supporting leading 5 gs smartphone launches, including those from Samsung, Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, Google and other major Tier 1s. In IoT, we enabled touchless point of sale systems at Square, powered Wi Fi 6 access points for Amazon, ramped Wi Fi 6 solutions for advanced routers at NETGEAR and ASUS, and launched residential gateways at Verizon and Telecom Italia. We also supported Facebook's newest Oculus VR platform and we further bolstered our position in low latency cognitive audio solutions, powering wireless headsets at Logitech, Razer and Sony among others. Now moving to the industrial space. We introduced embedded connectivity modules enabling Vibicom's latest enterprise IoT architectures.

We delivered critical medical applications at Boston Scientific and GE and also supported wireless utility metering at Itron and Sensus. In infrastructure, we secured multiple design wins in next generation MIMO base stations and small cell installations. And finally, in automotive, we ramp telematics subsystems for BMW and Tesla and launched high speed connected car solutions for Daimler and leading OEMs in Japan and Korea. These engagements illustrate the diverse and expansive nature of our portfolio, supporting a broad array of customers and applications. Fundamentally, our ability to execute and deliver on successive technology nodes fuels above market growth.

This momentum is underpinned by increasing demand for our unique system solutions, differentiated by performance, integration, scale and most importantly, customer value. Skyworks is well positioned to capitalize on the rapidly changing landscape with deep customer relationships established over 20 years, experience across multiple technology transitions, strategic investments in global scale, a seasoned and talented workforce, and finally, an efficient cash flow engine that funds continuous development of market leading solutions. With that, I will turn the call over to Chris for discussion of Q4 and the fiscal year along with our outlook for Q1.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Liam. Skyworks revenue for the 4th fiscal quarter of 2020 was $957,000,000 This is $170,000,000 higher than the midpoint of the guidance coming into Q4. Revenue was up 30% sequentially and up 16% year over year, driven by increasing adoption of our mobile solutions and rising broad market momentum. In fact, both mobile and broad markets revenue grew 30% sequentially and were up double digits compared to Q4 of last year. We established a new quarterly record of $295,000,000 in broad markets revenue, while greatly expanding our customer reach.

Gross profit in the 4th quarter was $482,000,000 resulting in a gross margin of 50.4%, up 30 basis points sequentially. Operating expenses were $147,000,000 or 15.4 percent of revenue, demonstrating leverage in our operating model while continuing our strategic investments in support of future growth. We generated $335,000,000 of operating income, translating into an operating margin of 35%. We incurred $1,000,000 of other expenses, and our effective tax rate was 6.5%, driving net income of $312,000,000 Top line momentum and execution on margins drove diluted earnings per share of $1.85 beating the guidance by $0.34 EPS grew 48% sequentially and increased 22% compared to Q4 of last year. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow.

4th fiscal quarter cash flow from operations was 267,000,000 dollars and capital expenditures were $146,000,000 We paid $84,000,000 in dividends. And given our conviction in the underlying strength of our business, we repurchased 1,700,000 shares of our common stock at an average price of approximately $140 per share for a total of $231,000,000 As this is the Q4 of fiscal 2020, let's also review our annual results. We generated $3,400,000,000 of revenue with gross profit of $1,700,000,000 resulting in a gross margin of 50.2%. Operating income was €1,100,000,000 with an operating margin of 33.7%. Net income was €1,000,000,000 translating into $6.13 of diluted earnings per share.

Cash flow from operations was 1,200,000,000 dollars and we returned nearly $1,000,000,000 to shareholders in fiscal 2020 with $307,000,000 of dividend payments and $648,000,000 in share buybacks as we repurchased 6,300,000 shares throughout the fiscal year. And we ended the fiscal year with cash and investments of $1,000,000,000 and we have no debt. In summary, the Skyworks team executed exceptionally well despite a challenging environment, navigating the COVID-nineteen pandemic and headwinds from U. S.-China trade relations. We delivered strong profitability and cash generation, ended the fiscal year on a high note and positioned the company for future top and bottom line growth as we enter the new 5 gs era.

Now let's move on to our outlook for Q1 of fiscal 2021. We expect to deliver another quarter of double digit sequential revenue and earnings per share growth in our 1st fiscal quarter. Specifically, we anticipate revenue between $1,040,000,000 $1,070,000,000 At the midpoint of $1,055,000,000 revenue for the quarter is expected to increase 10% sequentially and 18% year over year. Gross margin is projected to be in the range of 50.25 percent to 50.75 percent as we continue to drive profitability expansion. We expect operating expenses of approximately 148,000,000 Below the line, we anticipate roughly EUR 1,000,000 in other expense and a tax rate between 9% 10%.

We expect our diluted share count to be approximately 168,500,000 shares. Accordingly, at the midpoint of the revenue range, we intend to deliver diluted earnings per share of $2.06 an increase of 11% sequentially and more than 20% on a year over year basis. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Liam.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Chris. Skyworks significantly exceeded September quarter expectations in revenue and earnings per share, capping off a fiscal year that tested and demonstrated the resilience and agility of our business. As 5 gs revolutionizes connectivity and proliferates in global platform launches, we are ramping our innovative Sky5 solutions across a rapidly expanding set of end markets. Clearly, Skyworks Technologies are playing an essential role in today's challenging environment, enabling ubiquitous, reliable, ultra fast and safe connections, driving momentum across our portfolio while positioning our business for continued growth. Finally, our strong balance sheet and consistent cash generation provide a formidable platform for technology investment as we deliver premium returns to our stockholders.

That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, let's open the line

Speaker 1

Your first question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the strong results and the accelerating sales outlook. Liam, my first question is on your Q1 December quarter outlook. Where do you think we are in the 5 gs cycle when we look at the strength that you're seeing in December? Is this kind of the run rate business and we can annualize from here? Does it grow from here?

Just how much did 5 gs is 5 gs contributing to December? And how much runway is there to grow off of these quarterly levels?

Speaker 3

Sure. Yes, great question. Well, let me start by saying we saw a bit of the 5 gs ramp in Q4 and actually a larger part of that with our APAC customers. And so far, it's been going great. We have been winning business.

We've been expediting products. The demand has been incredible. And so we're really thrilled about that. But it's also very, very early in the cycle. So our Q4 period, which accelerated rapidly towards the end of the quarter and brought momentum into Q1, our Q4 period was typically led by the APAC region.

As we move into our fiscal Q1, it's led by Tier 1 customers. And in both cases, we're very well balanced and well positioned. In addition to that, we round out with a great set of plays here in IoT and in broad markets. So really good strength that's moving into from Q4 and into Q1. And again, very, very early in the overall 5 gs landscape.

Speaker 5

And for my follow-up, Liam, given the delayed start at one of your large customers, how should we think about the seasonality as we go into calendar Q1? Should we expect to see this strength sustain into calendar Q1? Just how conceptually, what visibility do you have into Q1? And if you could have any color around 2021 that would also be very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure, sure. Well, as you see coming off our Q4 guidance, our Q4 delivery, which was $100,000,000 above consensus and $200,000,000 sequentially, just to make sure we get that right. And now if we go into Q4, we're guiding about 10% at the midpoint. We feel comfortable with that. It's diversified across customer bases.

There's certainly a couple of flagship players that are leading the charge, but we are working very quickly to get these products to the customer and we know that the demand is there. So we feel very good about our outlook and look forward to delivering more as we go forward.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri from UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Thanks a lot. I'm wondering, Chris, if you can give us an idea of what's assumed for the December guidance for broad markets? And then I also had a follow-up. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. So we're definitely very pleased with what we see in our broad markets. And just to talk maybe first a little bit about September quarters, right? It was approximately 31% of total revenue. It was just shy of $300,000,000 of revenue in the quarter, which is a new all time record for broad markets.

As Liam just indicated as well, it was up 30% sequentially, which is almost $70,000,000 of incremental revenue that we saw into the September quarter. And so we are back to double digit year over year growth in the September quarter. In the December quarter, so our Q1 of fiscal 2021, we expect further sequential revenue growth in growth markets. So we will end up with a new all time high in the December quarter. And so that translates into very, very strong double digit year over year growth for broad markets.

In broad markets, the strength that we see is really across the board. And of course, it's in part driven by some strong demand for our wireless connectivity solutions, supporting work from home, play from home, learn from home, commerce from home, everything from home, right, or from any place. We also saw a really nice rebound in our industrial IoT as well in our automotive business. And we also have really good and great positive momentum in our cognitive audio business. And then last but not least, we did the infrastructure business supporting the build out of 5 gs networks.

And so when you put it all together, our growth markets business is doing really well, all time records in September and guiding to an all time record in December.

Speaker 6

Thanks a lot, Chris. And then I guess my second question is on gross margin. There's very little incremental margins dropping through year over year in September. And then if I look at the overall margin levels are. And you're not too far overall margin levels are.

And you're not too far away from the revenue that's assumed in the financial model, but we're still 250 basis points below on gross margin. So can you talk a little bit about what's going on there? Is it simply just mix? Thanks.

Speaker 4

First of all, I'm pleased with the gross margin in the September quarter at 50.4%, up 30 basis points sequentially. And so we have been hinting at that, that quarter over quarter, we will continue to make steady progress at further gross margin improvements. And so we are guiding fifty-twenty 5 to fifty-seventy 5, so again, up sequentially into the December quarter. Keep in mind that we still have some headwinds as a result of COVID-nineteen with social distancing and extra cleaning and sanitation and some disruption in the supply chain here that is hitting us. And so we expect over time to see further improvements there on the gross margin towards our target model of 53%.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Toshiya Hari from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on the strong results. Liam, how would you characterize or assess inventory today both at Skyworks as well as at your customer base? Obviously, there's a big concern that some of your customers might be pulling in a little bit. Any thoughts there?

Then I've got a quick follow-up.

Speaker 3

Yes. Honestly, we were working our tails off to deliver. We had customers that were we were late on a lot of orders, scrambling to get these parts out. So we our inventories are very low. Our DSOs are down.

It has been a breakneck pace

Speaker 4

down.

Speaker 3

It has been a breakneck pace operationally to deliver into this great cycle. So those have been the biggest challenges. There were some I think further back, we had some bumps with COVID issues in our own factories that created a little bit of difficulty in the supply chain. I think that 90% of that is bias, And we're well positioned to continue to bring up the top line. But we had this Q4 and coming into Q1, it's been very aggressive demand.

And a lot of that is unique to us. It may not be to the total market, but for the things that we great portfolio right now, work at home portfolio that Chris mentioned, but really catalysts, whether it's Zoom Video or Peloton or browsing real estate on your phone, the move towards connectivity is real. It's sticky. It's going to stay with us. And then on the 5 gs handset side, great position with the leaders in China with a tremendous amount of technology rich content gains crafted in house and then also some very compelling solutions with our largest customer, again, highly customized crafted in house that are just now moving out into the customer.

So it's been a we waited for this for a long time. We've invested in this for a long time. We've been talking about 5 gs for quite a while and we were very articulate and clear about our ability to win and that's what we're

Speaker 8

doing right now. We're winning.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thanks for that Liam. And then Chris, I just wanted to double click on gross margins. Again, we're not seeing a ton of leverage here in the model. And I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit on sort of the headwinds that you're seeing that sort of offsetting the increase in revenue.

Is it customer mix? Is it mix between in sourced product versus outsourced product? Is it COVID? We're hearing wafer pricing might be going up a little bit just given the tightness. Anything you can add there would be super helpful.

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Right. Yes, from a pricing point of view, it's business as usual. We don't see anything special there. And so again, the way we improve our gross margins, it's threefold. It's continued to bring new high added value products to the market, especially as 5 gs is becoming a larger part of our portfolio, we do have a tailwind there.

In addition to that, of course, we continue to drive operational efficiencies. But as I pointed out, due to COVID-nineteen and the pandemic, there are some inefficiencies today in our own factories as well as in the supply chain and the logistics. And unfortunately, that's there. It's not going away quickly. But hopefully, in a couple of quarters down the road, we will see some benefit from that as well.

And then yes, there is always mix and mix changes. As you know, broad markets has a higher gross margin compared to our mobile segment. And definitely, the mobile segment is going to grow a little bit faster into the December quarter. So when you put it all together, again, we will continue to make further good progress at improving gross margins.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Blayne Curtis from Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, good afternoon and congrats on the results. Just wanted to go back

Speaker 10

to a prior question. I just want to make

Speaker 9

sure I heard the answer correctly. As you look into the December quarter, just some comments on whether you expect Android to be up. Historically, that's been a down quarter for a lot of China, but obviously with 5 gs and content, it may be up. I just wanted to understand what you were saying into December on the Android world.

Speaker 4

No, we see increase across the board, right, in mobile at all accounts, in broad markets at all accounts. So yes, of course, the large customer will be up sequentially. Samsung will be up sequentially. The key China customers, RoboVivo, Xiaomi, will be up sequentially. There's one exception, of course, and that's Huawei.

As you know, based on the new export restrictions, we are no longer allowed to ship past September 2014. As a result of that, the Huawei revenue in Q4 was actually slightly below expectations at on or about 3% of revenue. And so in the December guide, we did not include any revenue for Huawei. Despite the fact that more recently, we did get a limited license to ship certain products to Huawei, but we are still figuring it out with the customer, which products they need, which products they want. And so we did not include that into our guide for the December quarter.

Speaker 9

Yes. And then maybe

Speaker 6

I'm

Speaker 8

sorry, I just

Speaker 3

wanted to add one more to that. I think when you look at the Android cycle, that really kicked off in Q4, where I think that larger Tier 1 is more of a December quarter play. So very good position in Android, which will stay with us, launch a little bit sooner in 5 gs, a lot of great solutions there, a lot of embedded media tech play as well. That will continue to roll. And then you have more of the December quarter being led by the top players.

Speaker 9

And then maybe just a follow-up on the September quarter. You haven't always beaten by a huge amount, so it's a nice beat. I was just curious what you pointed to as surprising you most to the upside in the December quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. Just really steep acceleration in 5 gs and also an incredible sticky set of opportunities in broad markets. The broad market business, not only did it set a record for a quarterly record, but it really had some incredible diversification with many, many new customers. And we're really excited about that. We have a whole set of green shoot opportunities that we consummated over the last couple of months that will continue to drive revenue for

Speaker 2

us into the future.

Speaker 3

So that was a great benefit. Some of those things with the pandemic as hard as it's been, there's been some opportunity that's come about and that's one area that certainly benefited.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Caso from Raymond James. Your line is open. Chris Caso, your line is open. Your next question comes from the line of Karl Ackerman from Cowen and Company. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Good afternoon, gentlemen. Liam, if I may go back to China handsets, clearly, Huawei has been impacted from U. S. Trade restrictions. I know it's difficult to handicap, but with the election tomorrow, there seems to be a growing investor interest in how you may keep positioned if Huawei were to procure smartphone components from U.

S. Suppliers. So I guess how do you balance the Sure. Well, first of all, Huawei, as Chris just indicated, is a

Speaker 3

Sure. Well, first of all, Huawei, as Chris just indicated, is a very, very, very small piece of our business right now, very small. And we don't expect there to be any upside going forward. However, as Chris mentioned, we did get a license from Commerce and there's a door opening potentially for more opportunities. We had a great position with Huawei a few years ago and they were our number 2 customer.

So we know how to work with them and they were a company that were more of a high end player, appreciated the integration that we provided and the technologies that we provided. So unfortunately, the trade issues separated us and also separated some of our peers. But if that door opens up and we're able to deliver again, we're right back at it. There's nothing lost. But in the meantime, we're moving forward.

We're working with all the other players in China that we mentioned, the Android ecosystem and others. So we feel like we're very well balanced and hedged on that. If there's an opportunity, that's great. We know how to sell to that. We know how to design in.

But we feel like a lot of that business has been redistributed, and we've been able to catch it on the other end. So we're not too concerned about it, but we'll certainly stay vigilant if opportunities

Speaker 11

emerge. Understood. Thank you. Chris, for my follow-up, if I may. I know it's not usually your practice to comment beyond a quarter, but it appears your mobile business will grow high single digits in calendar 2020 when overall units should decline double digits.

With expectations that 5 gs smartphones should increase from roughly 200,000,000 phones this year to perhaps 500,000,000 next year, Is there a fundamental reason why your content perhaps could not be as significant next year? Thank you.

Speaker 4

No. I'm not going to really comment on the units. I mean we definitely see strong adoption of 5 gs, but we will see what the units how that all plays out. On the flip side, yes, we do have very strong content increase and content gain as 5 gs being introduced in the phones, it's adding a lot more complexity, it's adding new bands, which are being layered on top of the existing 2 gs, 3 gs, 4 gs technology and that adds a lot of complexity. And that's again what Liam has been indicating.

We've been investing into that for many years with our PAs, our filter business, our capability to integrate all of that into our integrated solutions. And that's where we see really a big opportunity for Skyworks as more and more 5 gs adoption will happen over the next couple of years.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Edward Snyder from Charter Equity Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Thanks a lot. Liam, it was very clear from Arturodon of your largest customers flown, you've really knocked the ball out of the park on this. You had 10 modules in the current version, last year you had 6. And I know some of the big content increases you're experiencing there and probably in China, given China Mobile's requirements have pulled power amplifiers into what's traditionally receive only DRX section which you dominate. My question is, given Channel Mobile's requirements for many more bands or several more bands than we and most of the industry expected, pulling in what I would consider to be out period 5 gs content into the current period and the inclusion of greater functionality in this broadcast, MyMillion DC, etcetera.

I'd like to get your opinion about where we're going to see the growth next year. I'm sure the unit volume game is going to work in everybody's favor. We're going to see more phones using 5 gs next year. But maybe you could help us out with what you think the content increase would be because it sounds like you're capturing a lot of that in this first glut of 5 gs phones both in Asia and in the flagship phones coming out this year. And I'm just kind of scratching my head what we can expect from a content point of view in the next year or 2.

And then I have a follow-up, please.

Speaker 3

Sure. That's a good question. Well, as much as we're encouraged by the results that we've been putting forth and the content that we gained, there's so much more out there, Ed. Tremendous opportunities that we haven't captured, new solutions that we're inventing right now that are going to be very different than what we have today. We're under the hood with all the customers and all the players.

And one of the things that we do is we look and listen to see where the problems are. How can we make our parts better? How can we make Sky5 better? And we continue to do that. And that's the way we gain our content.

A lot of it is just really getting in there under the hood, shoulder to shoulder with the best engineers in the world from Skyworks and our customers. And we try to figure it out together. And oftentimes, a solution is born. So I think the technologies that we're seeing now, first of all, we all know, everybody on this call knows that this is the early innings of 5 gs, early innings. And we think 5 gs today in 2021 and 2020 is going to be different in 2 or 3 years.

And there'll be a 6 gs. So there's a lot of work to be done, continuous work. Our customers are constantly pushing us. They want faster. They want more data.

They want lower card consumption. And that wheel, that technology wheel continues to turn. So as much as we're happy with what we've been able to do so far, there's just so, so much more that we can do. So I feel very comfortable that early innings in 5 gs, you're getting a read on that now from us. We can do a lot better.

We think the adoption is going to go up faster and faster. We think the usage cases are going to continue to grow the same way they did in 3 gs and 4 gs. Gs. So I'm not too concerned about it. I think for us, it's about investing in the right markets.

It's about raising our technology bar and then executing with our customers. Those are the key elements for us at this point.

Speaker 12

Okay. That kind of meshes with my second question because one of the things that we did pull from this is just in your largest customer's phone was a stunning increase in the complexity, especially antenna system that went from 6 antennas to 13 on this phone. Yes. Which I know and I saw that they pulled in a lot more antenna switching control content from Skyworks, which is I know you played there before, but it wasn't a huge area for you. And a lot of the stuff is being pulled into module.

So doesn't this play into the gross margin story, because there's so many different ways this could go if you look at what ultra wideband is doing in the phones, etcetera. They're throwing so much into the handset side of it. Is it more of a share gain from a module player's point of view? I would say you and core will predominantly because the phone is getting so much more complicated and going so many directions that they're turning to you guys to really start integrating more of this? And is that where not just the content, but also where the opportunity for gross margin starts to play out given this kind of a system on a module at this point versus just RF components?

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, I agree completely, Ed, with that comment. I think we're getting into a world now where things are getting very complex. You can look at it from band count, antenna count, DRX, transmit receipt, very, very complex. And our customers have a tremendous job on their end. So the burden on players like Skyworks is let's go solve this, let's go work it and to try to configure in a platform and an integrated solution is just much, much better for the customer.

It's difficult for the suppliers, but we are getting paid for that. And I think it's a unique set of technologies that we're seeing in 5 gs. We know there's more to do. It's one of the reasons why we've been an investor in our own fabs, whether it's BAW, whether it's TCSAW, whether it's BGA capacity and packaging, all of these things bring us the opportunity to deliver what our customers want uniquely, each one having their own needs and satisfying those at every point. So there's a lot to do.

We love doing it. And again, early innings, but there's plenty of upside from here that we got to just go earn.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Ambrish Srivastava from BMO. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hi, thank you very much. Excuse me, sorry, Chris, you seem to be especially popular today, so I'm going to stick with you as well. Just scratching my head a little bit on the gross margin side. If I look back at the last time, you had $1,000,000,000 in rev, you had a 51.2% gross margin. If I have the quarter right, that's September 2018.

The broad market business was a little bit smaller. So it and then you talked about the positives and sorry, the headwinds and the tailwinds. So on the headwind, you mentioned COVID-nineteen costs and some other inefficiencies that you're working to remove. And then the positives are better, higher advanced products. So that should be incrementally positive for gross margin as well as your broad market business is growing.

Now it should cross the $300,000,000 mark next quarter. So is it fair to assume that the COVID related cost is about 100 bps and that's kind of the headwind that the margin is facing? And once we get past that, which you said couple of quarters, then we should see gross margins come back to more in line with historical. And then given that broad markets is getting bigger, that should help gross margin to get to your 50% to 3% target?

Speaker 4

No, you think about it the right way, Ambrish. And so I've talked about that before. Yes, the COVID-nineteen headwind is in the 75 to 100 basis points range. And but will come down over time here. And so we're working it hard every quarter.

And so there is definitely upside from that. And then you list all the other elements there that we see as well that give us conviction that over time, we will continue to further improve the gross margin.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then my quick follow-up is really, again, on the broad markets business. Could you just help us understand how is the business looking more in terms of where are you seeing the growth opportunities and it's a $1,200,000,000 plus annual revenue run rate, fairly large business. And how has it changed from 2, 3 years ago? Liam, maybe it's a question for you.

Speaker 3

Yes. 2 or 3 years ago, a lot of it was pretty narrow. It was mainly low end connections, GPS, early, early Wi Fi and some infrastructure. And if you look at the portfolio today, it is really diversified. We've got players like Ring, Netgear, Amazon, Sonos, of course, one of our larger customers does a lot of work in broad markets.

Names like Google, we have Facebook, really cool applications. We have an audio business that had a great quarter, thinking about gaming technologies like that with good margins as well. So it's not even though some of these products sound consumer oriented, the technologies that we bring are not. We've actually grown the business in automotive and defense, working with more IoT partners like Vibacom that we mentioned, again, access points and routers with Wi Fi 6 coming in right now. Some of the new or work from anywhere.

We're seeing or work from anywhere. We're seeing those usage cases continue to grow. So we think that that is a move up that is sustainable. We don't think that that's a quarterly bump. We think that's a sustainable move.

And invariably, we're going to start to see more and more wide area connections with 5 gs connecting some of these devices. So if you look at broad markets today, much of the connectivity is Wi Fi and Bluetooth and GPS. We're still some customers that are adopting 5 gs. But over time, I think you're going to see 5 gs converge that's going beyond the handset and then basically spreading into a number of applications, the car, the factory, some of the consumer options as well. And we're extremely well positioned there.

I think that's one of the unique things about Skyworks. We can take the connectivity from low data rate to very, very high data rate and we can customize it by application. So that's an important part. And again, the customer reach in broad markets definitely stepping up on its growth path and we're really happy to see that.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Caso from Raymond James. Your line is

Speaker 13

open. Yes, thank you. I guess first question would be regarding use of cash and obviously that cash flow is increasing given what's happening now. Any changes in your approach to that on what your plans are for the cash flow?

Speaker 4

No, no changes there. I mean, we continue to deliver very strong free cash flow, and we continue to return all of that back to the shareholder, combination of our dividend program as well as our share buyback program. And so we've been very active from a buyback point of view and continue to be active there. That still leaves us 1 $1,000,000,000 of cash on the balance sheet with no doubt. And so there is optionality from an M and A point of view.

Speaker 13

Got it. Thank you. Just as a follow-up with what you're seeing in China and given the inability of Huawei to components, maybe you could talk a little bit about what you're seeing into those customers? And I guess it's right to assume that some of the strength you're seeing at Opovivo Xiaomi is them kind of stepping in and filling the void if Huawei is still unable to get components and that continues as you go into next year?

Speaker 3

Yes. Chris, that's some of what we're seeing. So obviously, we're agnostic to baseband and customers. We want to win with everybody. So Huawei had been a major customer for us for a while, for a long while, and we just indicated earlier in the Q and A here that they've obviously gotten a lot smaller to the trade.

And it's great if they come back, we're ready to go. But what we are seeing is a redistribution of that technology. Obviously, the China market still loves cell phones, the mobile market does as well. And we're able to fortunately, with some changes in our design and certain things that we need to do to calibrate for the customer, We've been able to move a lot of that technology to the OPPOs, to the Vivo, to the Xiaomi's, even Samsung as well. And if things change at Huawei, that's fine.

That's great. We'll step right in and work with them. We have no problem with that. There's no customer issue. It's more trade related.

But I think that the need and the desire to have a 5 gs phone is very real everywhere. And certainly, we want to serve China the best we can.

Speaker 1

Your final question comes from the line of Craig Ellis from B. Riley FBR. Your line is open. Thanks very

Speaker 10

much for sneaking it in and congratulations on the strong revenues, guys. So I hopped on a little bit late, so apologies if this has already been asked. But Liam and Chris, can you provide some color on the relative strength that you would expect in the business going into the fiscal Q1? And then the follow-up to that is, how should we think about how the second quarter could perform relative to normal seasonality? And what would you characterize normal seasonality as in this environment?

Speaker 3

Sure, sure. Good question. As we had said earlier in the call, we had a really strong acceleration of design wins that we've been working on for years and investing in and started to really see that lift off in the back half of Q4 and resulted in a $200,000,000 sequential gain, dollars 100,000,000 Visa consensus, so a lot of momentum there. And as we entered Q1, our current quarter, we continue to see that. We've got some great catalysts with the leading player in the market right now with some incredible technologies that are just being launched.

The China market adopted a little bit earlier and we've been shipping well to that ecosystem, Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, also partnering up with MediaTek to try to get that full pie of opportunity across APAC and doing very well with that. So our factories are humming, our teams are executing. The inventories are really lean right now. We're shipping overnight and in many cases with our customers. So that's kind of where we see it.

So when we look at the March it's a little bit too early to give you a guide on that. But if you just look at where we are, dollars 200,000,000 sequential, we guided up 10% for Q1. We feel pretty good about the position. We also recognize and I think we've mentioned this earlier, but it's true. These are the early innings of 5 gs.

This is really the 1st quarter or so where these technologies are available. In many cases in the U. S, there's still some products that people want, can't get yet, and that's going to happen. So there's a lot more to go. And the complexity is going to continue to move up and the opportunity is going to continue to move up.

And the adoption rate, which is extremely low right now, is going to move higher and every year. So there's a lot to do in the future. And we feel like we put up some really good performance here now, but we have a lot more to go as we move into 2021.

Speaker 10

Yes, that's really helpful, Liam. And I agree that we're in the very early innings. And the follow-up question relates to that. So broad markets is annualizing at $1,000,000,000 far faster than I thought. So good for you and the team.

But with 5 gs smartphone units, I think based on most industry observer forecasts, likely to increase 2x in 2021 and then doing the same thing in 2022, is it possible for broad markets to pull in either additional programs in existing end markets or new end markets with new programs or new customers so that it could keep pace and keep the same level of revenue contribution on a relative basis? Or over the next couple of years, would we expect mix to swing significantly towards integrated mobile?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, that's a great question. And if the numbers this last quarter 30% sequential on each. So it had some really good balance. And if you look at what the market's bringing what's now, there's a tremendous amount of Wi Fi opportunity, GPS opportunity and still some cellular opportunity that is going into broad market.

So I think you got 2 distinct portfolios that share a common supply chain and often can share a common technology that we can drive to. So over the long term, we want to be the connectivity leader in any application. And we can take that application, whether it's a gaming headset or it's a cellular infrastructure or whether it's in defense or automotive, all of those end markets really are targets for us. And we could certainly do better, but we are pleased with what we've been able to do in the last quarter or 2 and look forward to a great 2021.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to Mr. Griffin for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you all for participating on today's call. We look forward to talking with you at upcoming conferences during the quarter. Take care.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call and we thank you for participating.

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