Earnings Call: Q2 2018

Jul 25, 2018

Good morning. My name is Sia, and I will be the conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Teradyne Quarter 2 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Andrew Blanchard. Please go ahead, sir. Thank you, Thea. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our discussion of Teradyne's most recent financial results. I'm joined by our CEO, Mark Jagiela and our Chief Financial Officer, Greg Beecher. The press release containing our Q2 results was issued last evening, and we are providing slides on the Investor page of the website that may be helpful to you in following the discussion. Replays of this call will be available via the same page after the call ends. The matters that we discuss today will include forward looking statements that involve risk factors that could cause Teradyne's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in the earnings release as well as our most recent SEC filings. Additionally, those forward looking statements are made as of today, and we take no obligation to update them as a result of developments occurring after this call. During today's call, we will make reference to non GAAP financial measures. We have posted additional information concerning these non GAAP financial measures, including a reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures where available on the Investor page of our website. Also, between now and our next earnings call, Teradyne will be participating in investor conferences hosted by Needham, KeyBanc, Davidson, Citi and Deutsche Bank. We'll also be meeting with investors in September in Chicago at the International Manufacturing Technology Show, IMTS. Now let's get on with the rest of the agenda. First, Mark will comment on our recent results, current market conditions and outlook for the year. Greg will then offer more details on our quarterly financial results followed by our guidance for the Q3. We'll then answer your questions and this call is scheduled for 1 hour. Mark? Hello everyone and thanks for joining us this morning. In today's call, I'll cover our recent financial results and current business conditions, describe how we're looking at the rest of the year and highlight some of the new products that we expect will power our growth in the future. First, the results. Our 2nd quarter non GAAP EPS of $0.59 on revenue of $527,000,000 exceeded our guidance primarily due to our test businesses strengthening through the quarter. In semiconductor test, memory was a standout with sales of $67,000,000 in the quarter bringing our memory test revenue for the 1st 6 months to $139,000,000 up nearly 2x from the year ago period. Memory test demand in the 3rd quarter looks even stronger setting us up for significant year over year growth. This demand is being driven by both our traditional flash package test customers and a nice mix of new business for our recently introduced Magnum wafer test product. Elsewhere in semi test, SoC test demand remains strong. Other than the significant year over year drop in an isolated mobility segment that we outlined last quarter, demand in other parts of mobility and the overall SoC market has been stronger than we expected when we updated you in our April call. Our Eagle test product line is a bright spot with sales in the 1st 6 months up 17% compared to a year ago period as analog and automotive demand continues to grow. Our latest 2018 market size estimate for SoC is at the high end of our $2,200,000,000 to $2,400,000,000 range and the memory test market is now estimated to be in the $900,000,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 range. At LitePoint, results were also above plan as Wi Fi test demand for smartphone application strengthened. 6 month sales at Lifepoint are up 9% over the year ago period. Despite being in a technology law pending new wireless standards like 802.11ax for WiFi and 5 gs cellular, cell phone makers continue to add incremental wireless capabilities to their products, driving up test times and fueling our business. Our 802.11ax production test product is in the market testing access points and ready for the likely 2019 ramp as cell phones begin to adopt this technology. Likewise, both our millimeter wave and sub-six gs cellular production test products are being qualified now at top suppliers for likely production volume starting in 2020. Our system test business also strong with a 6 month sales up 47% from the same 2017 period. Most of this is due to storage test demand, which is more than doubled from the Q1 on greater than expected HDD and system level test demand. This will continue to be lumpy business and we've organized our operations accordingly allowing us to deliver above model profits in strong periods and model or better profits across the full year. In industrial automation, Universal Robots robust growth continues with quarterly sales of $57,000,000 up 45% from the same quarter of 2017. Late in the quarter, we introduced our new E Series of cobots. The E Series extends the capabilities of our 3, 5 and 10 kilogram payload cobots by providing higher performance data processing, enhanced ease of use software, Category 3 safety certification, integrated force torque sensing and a long list of other improvements to make the arm even easier to use. The higher power data processing platform and software enhancements allow our UR plus ecosystem partners to design more powerful solutions and apps for our platform. The Category 3 certification further reduces the safety hurdles required to deploy our cobots. And the integrated force torque sensor gives our cobot a sense of touch, which is important for a wide range of tasks like gluing, polishing, surface inspection and light assembly. With the acquisition of MiR in the quarter, Teradyne now has the leading platform in the rapidly expanding autonomous mobile robot market. In the Q2, MiR delivered full quarter sales of nearly $6,000,000 up over 85% from the same period of 2017. In late June, MiR expanded their product line with the introduction of the 500 kilogram payload autonomous mobile robot, the MiR 500. The MiR 500 delivers the same low cost, flexible and easy to program characteristics of the MIR-one hundred and 200 kilogram robots. The MIR-five hundred extends the range of industrial material movement that can be autonomously automated. Whereas the 102 100 kilogram robots are optimized for automating human scale material movements and manufacturing, the MIR 500 allows the additional automation of forklift and other pallet moving systems. In the months ahead, we'll continue to strengthen MiR's distribution network, lineup of peripheral suppliers and invest in their organizational capabilities to support their 50% to 100% growth for the foreseeable future. Overall, we expect our industrial automation segment to grow at 50% to 55% clip this year in line with our 2021 earnings model. Looking out at the full year from a financial perspective, we expect the second half to look very similar to the first half and the company revenues to be split about fifty-fifty with the industrial automation segment higher and test lower compared with the first half. Looking further ahead, I'm sure many of you are trying to forecast the size of the semiconductor test market next year. We won't get our first look at 2019 demand until late this year and won't have a good sense of the market until sometime in Q1. But while we know the test market will remain volatile in the future, we are confident that the long term drivers of the market, device unit growth and complexity are intact. Despite this volatility, the semi test market has been growing at about a 7 percent plus annual rate off the 20 fourteen-twenty 15 market average. This supports our confidence in the 3 point $5.0 to $4 earnings target in 2021, which assumes a model growth rate of 2% to 4% trend line growth in Semitef. In addition to core market growth, we've been investing in new products and acquisitions to create a portfolio that can grow ahead of the curve. A few of those are just entering the market this year and others will roll out in the quarters ahead. Some enhance our competitive position in served markets while others expand our served markets. In semiconductor test, as noted earlier, the Magnum 5's expansion beyond flash package test is underway as we've started delivering systems for both flash and DRAM wafer test. Recall that the flash and DRAM wafer test market is more than twice the size of the flash package test market. This market is expected to drive our memory market share from the high 20s to the high 30s over the next few years. Also in semiconductor test, our R and D teams are working on products targeting new standards in the high speed serial and RF markets. Our just introduced ultra serial 6 gs instruments allow customers to fully characterize and test chips with interface speeds up to 60 gigabits per second. Targeted devices that use high speed serial interfaces like PAM4, the instrument provides customers a cost effective way to fully verify the performance of devices that deliver the immense bandwidth needed for 5 gs and cloud based AI applications. In RF, our new instruments are testing silicon for a range of emerging standards, including AO211ax, AD and 5 gs cellular that are moving through our semiconductor customers labs on their way to early production. And the growing silicon content enabling AI at the edge is driving up device complexity and test time. Whereas training algorithms usually get developed in the cloud, those honed algorithms are often deployed in the real world in edge optimized silicon for AI inference and decision making in real time. Teradyne is well positioned in this growing edge AI space. You can see this today in autonomous driving and automotive ADAS systems where sensor data is interpreted and decisions are made in real time to optimize safety and performance. You can also see in the increasing range of smart speakers interpreting voice commands with a combination of local and cloud based AI. Smart cameras are another emerging trend where localized AI algorithms pre process image data to make real time decisions. In addition to organic investments, acquisitions will continue to play a role in our growth. Having recently completed the acquisitions of MiR and Energid, we continue to have an active M and A pipeline combined with a robust capital returns program. In the 1st 6 months of 2018, we've repurchased $361,000,000 of Teradyne shares and paid $35,000,000 in dividends. We remain committed to this balanced capital allocation plan going forward. Now I'll turn it over to Greg. Thanks Mark and good morning everyone. I'll provide some brief comments on 2018 and then cover the 2nd quarter results and Q3 outlook. At the halfway point, our first half sales totaled $1,014,000,000 and at the bottom line, we've achieved $1.04 in non GAAP EPS. We're pleased with our first half financial performance, particularly in an off year for the mobility segment of our semiconductor test business. As described last quarter, our prior year's mobility tooling ramp will not repeat in 2018, which is largely why our first half non GAAP EPS is down $0.30 from a year ago. Even with this air pocket, our gross margins are running at 57% and our non GAAP PPIT rate is 23% for the 1st 6 months. It's important to highlight that the same positive semi test structural dynamics, which we've described in the past remain in place. Starting in 2015, advancements in parallel testing hit their practical limits for complex mobility devices, which caused the ATE market to grow again. Previously advancements in parallel tests had a compressive effect on the ATE market and masked the underlying growth in complexity and units. We expect mobility devices will continue to increase in complexity with test times trending higher, offset at times by improvements in tester technology or customer optimization work. As a result, the Mobility Test segment will remain an important growing market for semiconductor tests, albeit volatile as we've recently seen. The net of these trends is that even with lower mobility shipments in 2018, we should have solid profitability and free cash flow. Staying with Semi Test, ATE demand has been healthy this year across the automotive, industrial and memory segments. In automotive, ADAS, IVI and hybrid vehicles are driving more so looking content along with shorter device life cycles. Automotive semiconductors also require testing under different temperature environments and take more test seconds than other devices as escapes are costly. Longer term AI should drive even more semiconductor content in automotive where we have strong market share and expect above average market growth. The ubiquitous industrial and microcontroller devices where we also maintain strong share are being driven by an overall healthy economy and greater end applications. Both EagleTEST and the J750 have had strong demand 2 years running. These end markets are also finding new applications in energy management, factory monitoring and IoT applications. Turning to memory test, as Mark noted, we had record first half memory test sales of $139,000,000 and are on track to grow our memory top line for the 6th year in a row. So overall, our Semi Test business is tracking to its 5th consecutive year of non GAAP PBIT solidly above 20%. Now moving to our high growth industrial automation segment, we had sales of $62,000,000 in the second quarter. Universal Robots was $57,000,000 of this total and grew 45% from the year ago quarter. Universal Robots set a new quarterly gross margin record and is on track to achieve a 60% gross margin for the full year as material cost savings from Teradyne's supply line group continue. Recall that Universal Robots had a 51% gross margin when we acquired them in 2015. Universal Robots is also using its own cobot arms to assemble new UR cobots, improving quality and costs and freeing UR employees from many tedious and uncomfortable repetitive tasks. MiR had 2nd quarter sales of 4,500,000 dollars from the date of the acquisition and $5,700,000 for the full quarter on a standalone basis, over 85% higher than the year ago quarter. Energet made up the balance of industrial automation revenue. Staying with Universal Robots, we've been ramping our field distribution aggressively this year and expect those added resources to help us achieve higher growth in the second half. We expect that there will be waves of adoption that should cause UR sales to be above or below our 45% to 50% model growth target for UR. For example, we've been selling mostly to SMEs and plant managers at the larger companies. At some point, we expect a wave of demand as larger companies adopt cobots in greater quantities as they become more aware of their fast payback and flexibility. Similarly, we also expect that new enabling technologies will open up much larger opportunities that to date have only just been scratched. For example, there are many tedious tasks across industrial manufacturing that increasingly can be automated with advanced path planning software and commercially available 3 d vision modules. We believe that Energet's easy to use motion control software will provide the needed path planning capability to make automation of these tasks economically viable. There are also more and more third parties investing their R and D on our open platform to create plug and play solutions for an expanding array of tasks. For example, at Automatica, the large German automation show, trade show held in June, we counted over 40 third parties using UR cobots to demonstrate their products or end of arm accessories ranging from laser surface inspections to light assembly tasks. At MiR, we also expect a strong second half with mid to larger accounts driving demand. Similar to Universal Robots, we have a significant market lead with our ease of use, fast payback and distribution network. We'll also bring Teradyne synergies to MIR in supply line management, global expansion and balance sheet muscle. So overall in 2018, we continue to take strategic actions necessary to make solid progress towards our mid term $3.50 to $4 non GAAP EPS plan. Recall that the single largest growth contributor from the $2.34 non GAAP EPS achieved last year is Universal Robots. And with the new E Series lineup, we've taken another big step forward. Moving on to the system test business, defense and aerospace, production board tests and storage tests are all expected to operate at model profitability or better for the year. Shifting quickly to wireless test, we operated above model profitability in the first quarter and for the first half. Turning to the balance sheet, our cash and marketable security balances stand at $1,300,000,000 down $284,000,000 from the Q1. We returned $244,000,000 of capital in the 2nd quarter, principally through $227,000,000 in share repurchases, a bit more than planned due to opportunistic buying and $17,000,000 in dividends. Our share repurchases since 2015 totaled $1,000,000,000 at an average price of $27.12 Recall, we plan to buy back at least $750,000,000 of our stock this year and return approximately $70,000,000 in dividends. Looking ahead, we also expect to use our cash to make additional industrial automation moves to further our lead in next generation industrial automation. That is why we plan to keep the balance sheet flexible. Moving to the details of the Q2. Sales were 527,000,000 dollars The non GAAP operating profit rate was 25 percent and non GAAP EPS was 0 point 5 $9 We had no 10% customer in the quarter and gross margins were 58 percent. You'll see our non GAAP operating expenses were $175,000,000 up $10,000,000 from the Q1, primarily due to expansion of UR's distribution programs, the inclusion of MiR and Energid for a full quarter and higher variable compensation tied to higher profit levels. Our 2nd quarter OpEx of $175,000,000 versus the year ago period is up by $3,000,000 due to industrial automation acquisitions and distribution build up, partially offset by lower variable compensation compared with the prior year. We plan to continue to invest aggressively to keep our high growth industrial automation business on track against our 2021 model, while keeping test OpEx flat apart from variable compensation changes tied to profitability. The detailed segment and unit level sales for the Q2 including the geographic breakdown for UR and MIR are shown in a table in the presentation. So turning to the guidance for the Q3, sales are expected to be between $540,000,000 $570,000,000 and a non GAAP EPS range of $0.59 to $0.66 on 188,000,000 diluted shares. Q3 guidance excludes the amortization of acquired intangibles, restructuring and other non cash convertible debt interest. The 3rd quarter gross margin should run at 57% and total OpEx should run from 31% to 33%. The operating profit rate at the midpoint of our Q3 guidance is about 25%. Let me emphasize that we expect Industrial Automation quarterly OpEx to approach $35,000,000 towards the end of the year, up from $16,000,000 in the Q4 of 2017. Notwithstanding our planned industrial automation OpEx investments, we expect this high growth segment to achieve mid teens operating profit rates for the full year. Shifting to taxes, our full year tax rate is expected to be about 16.5%, up 0.5 point from our April estimate and stronger memory test sales at NextTest and analog test sales at Eagle. So in summary, we significantly extended our product lead at Universal Robots with the E Series lineup. We added the higher payload mirror 500 to mirrors product offerings. And outside of Teradyne, there's a growing pool of 3rd parties developing solutions on our next generation platforms. We see multiple waves of growth ahead in industrial automation. We're also delivering solid profitability across our test and automation portfolio, taking the actions necessary to achieve our 2021 model that has our industrial automation segment at a $1,000,000,000 business, all while continuing to return significant capital to our investors. With that, I'll turn the call back to Andy. Thanks, Greg. Theo would now like to take some questions. And as a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. And the first question will come from Richard Eastman with Baird. Hi. Just a quick my first question is around, Mark, I think you addressed this in your commentary, but is the expectation for the second half revenue for TARE still roughly equivalent to the first half revenue for TARE? Yes. That's about what we expect. And of course, the industrial automation should be a bit stronger than the first half and test will be a bit down, but fifty-fifty. Okay. And then just a quick question around the systems test business as well as the wireless test businesses. I guess, if you kind of do that math, was some of the system test business and wireless, was some of that pulled into the first half, some of that revenue? Again, just curious if the lumpiness around the quarterly revenue for those two businesses or have we kind of stepped up to a new revenue level for those two businesses? I'll take that one. It's principally in storage test within system test is an inherently lumpy business and we get large orders concentrated, it's because we have a thin customer portfolio and they tool up periodically. And when they tool up, the orders come on 1 concentrated buying cycle. Okay. So, okay. All right. Just add on wireless test. There's no evidence there of any sort of pull in. I think the incremental demand we saw around cell phone, Wi Fi was just addressing the inherent complexity growth there and our customers were a little caught short on some capacity, but it's not a forward pull in that we can see. Okay, excellent. Thank you. The next question will come from Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Thanks for taking my question. First one on memory, when I look at what we hear from some of the front end players and from some of the customers and we look at the pricing trends, they seem to be more muted than the strength that you are seeing in memory. So why the disconnect? Are these share gains as this new product? And what's the visibility around the utilization and orders in this segment? Okay. So first of all, visibility in memory is always pretty short. Maybe it's 3 months. So with that being said, there's always a disconnect in time between the front end facilitating fabs, which tend to be large multi $1,000,000,000 investments that customers make to bring a fab online and with a lot of tool orders rolling in and such. And then the incremental investment they make once the fab is running to facilitate test. As they start to turn on production in these large investments, they incrementally grow wafer volume and incrementally add test along the way. And the lag time can be as much as 6 months to sometimes a year between when the tools go in on the front end and the fabs running at full volume. So that's why you see a timing difference. We don't see in terms of test demand for memory any slowdown at the moment. But again, I said the visibility is about 3 months on that. So, and the other thing I will reinforce that I've said before, the market this year is very strong, dollars 900,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 of test capacity, a more sustainable level, I believe is 7 to 800,000,000. Will we see that next year, for example, it could very well happen. A lot will depend on what the indigenous China customers do with their facilitation of test. Got it. And for my follow-up, it's clear that you're trying to move the company more and more towards this faster area of industrial automation. Do you need to change anything organizationally to as you look at the transformation of the company? Or do you think the way you have it set up right now is the right organizational structure? Yes. I think we're doing it exactly right at the moment. Now as industrial automation grows as part of the portfolio of Teradyne, there will be some adjustments we make structurally along the way. But right now, we have pretty autonomous and separate operating groups for each of those businesses. With the one advantage we have here is leveraging our manufacturing capability where we've achieved significant gross margin improvements. So leveraging where we need to and get some immediate benefit, but letting the IA business run with its own DNA and its own sort of management team is the principle. And even now with MiR and Energid in the loop, we've got an umbrella strategy, but operating wise, we're still pretty much running independently. At some point, couple of years down the road that could very well change, but not in the short term. Okay. Thank you. The next question will come from C. J. Muse with Evercore. Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I guess first question trying to understand the sequential growth into the September quarter. Can you share with us how you're thinking about the storage side, whether that is sustainably strong or that downticks? And then as part of that, I would assume that you're seeing a meaningful acceleration in the URIA part of things? Yes, CJ. The storage tests into the 3rd quarter does downtick. So that's not driving the growth. There's some good semiconductor test growth, particularly in memory in the Q3. So that's a piece of it and that's some new opportunities that we are shipping to. So it's a big plus. And then certainly UR is a big part of the second half. We target 50% for the year. For the first half, we're at 40%. So we're targeting 60% growth over the corresponding period from a year ago. So we've got some, a lot of actions underway. We've hired a lot of people to make sure that we have the resources to pull that off. So just to be clear, you are or for total IA or you are you're targeting 60% year over year growth for the second half of calendar twenty eighteen? Well, we're targeting the whole segment to get 50%. UR is 45% to 50%, we want to get to 50%, but the first half we're at 40%. So we hired a lot of people in the Q1, the first part of this year and they take about 6 months to become effective. So we would expect a stronger second half, which you traditionally have in industrial automation. Perfect. Makes sense. And then just a quick follow-up on your target model for calendar 2018. Do you still expect given the changes in mix here that gross margins can be flat to up in 2018 and embedded in your OpEx guide in the slide deck, should we be thinking total OpEx given what you know now of around 6.90 6.95? Well, the gross margins, as you noted, have been improving over a period of time and they're actually at the high end of our model for 2021 already. So we're pulling we're actually doing much better than we planned on that front and that's coming across the portfolio. Universal Robots is a piece of that as well. So we decided not to update that model quite yet because there'll be other things that could go the other way or there's a lot of assumptions. But we feel very good where we ought to gross margins. The OpEx, it's going to be the same strategy. We're going to keep test flat for the next several years and industrial automation is going to continue to grow expenses. So if sales go up another 50%, I would expect OpEx would go up, but you'd end up with a similar profit rate, somewhere around 19%, 20%. Excellent. Thank you. The next question will come from John Pitzer with Credit Suisse. Good morning, guys. Congratulations on the strong results and thanks for letting me ask the question. Mark, Greg, in your prepared comments on the SoC test side, you specifically talked about things your customers can do to optimize. I'm just wondering if you could just help me understand and give me a little bit more detail, what levers do they hold for optimization? By how much do you think that can take down test time and sort of retard overall unit demand for testers? And then I guess what's the real world trade off? Are they just willing to have things be good enough and that's the optimization? Or just help me better understand that. Okay. Well, there's different levers customers can use to try to optimize. Historically, the one that we've talked about a lot in recent years that has reached its end is parallel test. So that particular technique has run its course, but there's other techniques. So another technique would be just trimming out tests in a long test program because you believe the probability of failure of that particular item is low. So you do that with some risk that you might get some escapes that could affect either the end product manufacturing or the consumer experience. Now in environments where there's not a lot of technology change, if for example, we're not moving to new silicon or we're not moving to a new lithography node, it's the same part that's now 1 year, 2 years old. That's a technique that people historically have used and continue to use. It's not new. But one of the things that works against that is a lot of silicon rep rate here and the cycle time is quite short. So every year as silicon gets reinvented, there's not enough time to learn what tests you can prune out and still because I'd say safe that your quality level isn't going to dip. So that's another one that as when the mobility world the cycle times have become short, that's sort of gone by and by. So there's nothing really new here. Those are 2 techniques, test time, let's say eliminating test is still prevalent, parallel test is less so. I'll just add to what Mark said. There are some techniques that aren't designed, but they can impact test. If yields all of a sudden improve substantially, then you need to do less tests because if yields are lower, you need to test more units to get the right number of good units out. So the yield level between the prior generation and new generation does affect how many testers you need and that's not really within great control of the customer. Also, how are they going to when do they finish their tape out and when do they go to market? Is that 3 months? Is it 4 months? How much time is there for the peak build cycle? So there's a bunch of other variables that get very complex and have multiple moving variables. But the ones that we see long term drive the trend line steadily with these operations are the complexity and unit growth. That's helpful. And then for my follow-up guys, just on the semi test side, on the memory, clearly, we've seen some adjustments in front end capacity. I'm wondering if you could just talk a little bit about some of the offsets that you might have around share gains that you're seeing in memory and or just test times in memory going up as memory speeds are increasing and complexity is going up? How do I think about that? Well, what I said earlier on the macro front is that slowing front end investments in memory fabs probably impact test anywhere from 6 months to a year later. A lot of what is being bought today in test is for fabs that were facilitated 6 months to 9 months ago. So that's one thing. But the new markets that we're entering in memory in wafer test are essentially 2x the size of the flash final test market that we've been playing in up until this year. So if you roughly for rough numbers say we've been participating up till this year in a $200,000,000 flash final test market. We've now expanded our served market to $600,000,000 by adding wafer test. And we will incrementally gain share into that space over the next few years and by the 2021 earnings target that we put out there, we expect we'll be in the high 30s to close to 40% overall share. Perfect. Thank you. The next question will come from Atif Malik with Citigroup. Hi, thank you for taking my question and good job on execution. First question on mobility. Atif MC on its earnings call last week talked about a strong 7 nanometer ramp and unlike 10 nanometer, which was a transitional node built for 1 key customer, 7 nanometer is being widely adopted for high performance computing, GPUs, server CPUs, and TSMC is not going to ramp down 7 nanometer capacity to convert to advanced nodes. What does it all mean for your semiconductor mobile test business for next year? And I have a follow-up. Yes. The adoption of 7 nanometer in mobility is happening now. So it's not just a next year phenomenon, it's a this year phenomenon. And the effect on test is really 2 things. 1 is, it certainly means the devices have more transistors, so they have longer test times. That's a generic balloon for the test market. The other thing that Greg mentioned is the yields. What will yields be at 7 nanometer versus what they were when people transitioned to 10? If yields are better, then the test demand will be slightly lower. If yields are worse, then the test demand will be slightly higher. The early indications on 7 nanometer is that it's a pretty solid node. So we don't see yields worse and therefore there won't be another balloon from that. But in terms of what that means for next year and will people start early transitions to or when will they start transitioning to 5 nanometer? I think if people stay on 7 nanometer for 2 or 3 years, there'll be incremental yield improvement, which means there will be less test dedicated to testing bad parts. So if we sit at a node for 2 to 3 years, then that has a slight negative effect on the test market. Okay. And then any impact from China tariffs, as China is a fast growing market for your industrial automation business? I understand you ship out of Europe for your UR, MIR businesses, but any impact from China tariffs that you're seeing? The only impact to date is the automatic test equipment code got caught up in the list of industries that tariffs would apply. So when our contract manufacturer Flex from Shuzhou China ships into the U. S, there is a 25% tariff. So as you can imagine, there aren't a lot of shipments from China to the U. S. Because most test equipment is going into Asia. So for that those shipments, say it's about $50,000,000 we're going to do the assembly and final configuration test in other locations, not China. And therefore, we should avoid the tariff, which would otherwise be about 25 percent of $50,000,000 So apart from that, there's no other impacts that we're seeing and we've mitigated that and there's obviously uncertainty as to what might come next. And we all we can do is sort of have contingency plans in place, which we do in terms of if we have to move locations, how we do that. The next question will be from Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs. Great. Thanks for taking my question. Mark, I had a question on the Magnum platform. How differentiated is it relative to solutions from your competitors like Advantest and some of the local Korean companies? And is it differentiated enough for you to avoid any price competition? And kind of related to that, you talked about traction with the platform. Is it one large customer that you're involved with? Or is it spread across multiple memory customers? So in the I think we're talking about the wafer test space. So in wafer test, it's multiple customers. The competitiveness of the memory test space is actually reasonably high. It's a smaller set of customers and it tends to be head to head competition other than the recent phenomena of new players emerging on the scene in China. It tends to be entrenched competitors any place they go for our share or we go for theirs. So I would say in general, it's a more competitive space and you can see that reflected in both their gross margins and our gross margins. Ours are not that far out of line. They tend to be in the, I think they average in the low 50s, but it is more price competitive. We do have differentiation. We don't enter a market without differentiation. And the differentiation that we had on the flash final test side that allowed us to gain quite a bit of market share in a short time was tremendous. That happens once every 10 to 15 years. That was extraordinary and great. The differentiation we have in flash wafer test is not as great, but still significant, which is why we've already had 2 customers convert to the platform and have others in flight. So I don't expect that margins will be such far out of the norm of what we've seen in the past. And I do think there will be some disciplined share gains we'll see over time as we roll this product out. Okay, great. And then I had a follow-up on the UR side of things. Mark, in your prepared remarks, you talked about the E Series and some of the new tasks that it can address relative to your previous platform. I was just curious to what extent does the introduction of the E Series expand your SAM in cobots? And I guess you guys have talked about waves of adoption in the UR business over the next couple of years. Does the introduction of the E series kind of allow you to grow above 50% over the next several quarters? Or should we not think that way for the UR business? Thank you. Okay. I think the E Series won't specifically increase the SAM, but what it will do is increase our ability to have velocity into the SAM. So take some applications like polishing as an example. We've up until before the E Series was introduced had polishing applications that relied on some 3rd party partner add ons to the product and some relatively complex programming on the part of the customer. What the E Series does for polishing is tremendously simplifies those applications. It embeds a lot of the touch and force measurement into the native architecture of the product and it and by extension, simplifies the programming. So we should get more velocity into polishing as an example from the E Series. And that's true across another broader set of applications. Separate from what the E Series enables, there's other things happening in the ecosystem that will expand the SAM. And those get back to Greg mentioned 3 d vision as a technology that is developing rapidly. And as it becomes practical to adopt that in on the cobot, we will expect the SAM to increase to allow more, let's say, picking applications to be addressable with the product. So that's coming. That might be something we see more start to pick up next year, but that's coming. So to your other point or question, can we grow greater than 50% and the waves of adoption that Greg talked about. We do think there will be that opportunity as we get these two things solidly into the market. But that's probably the effects of that are probably more next year than this year. Thank you. The next question is from Timothy Arcuri with UBS. Hi, thanks. My first question is on Semi Test. I know Greg, you've been talking about Semi Test revenue being or rather SoC revenue was going to be fifty-fifty for the year. I know that you just said that total company revenue will be fifty-fifty, but previously you had said that SoC revenue would be fifty-fifty. Now that you're taking the TAM sort of up to the high end of the market or the high end of the range, do you think that the back half for SoC could be a little better than fifty-fifty? I still think it's in the fifty-fifty neighborhood. It could be, but I wouldn't say pencil that in. Again, we didn't have the big Q2 surge. Everything else is looking pretty solid. We have trouble predicting the Q4 this far away, but at the moment it looks like it could be reasonable and our strong quarter is the 3rd quarter. So that's the quarter that's going to cover a little bit of whatever happens in the Q4. So it could be fifty-fifty. Got it. Okay, awesome. And then for industrial automation, you guys were saying 50% this year growing before MiR and MiR was going to add I think $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 when you add MIRROR and Energous for the year. So that was going to add about 10% for the year. But now it sounds like you're still saying that the whole segment is going grow 50%, maybe 55% for the year. So it seems like a little bit of a downtick. It seems like maybe you've lost $20,000,000 to 25 $1,000,000 for the year in that segment. Am I not reading that right? Or is there something happening there? No. I mean MiR is on track. Their plan is to get to about $30,000,000 of revenue. We could handicap that and say $25,000,000 but keep in mind they were $12,000,000 last year. So whether they get to $25,000,000 or $30,000,000 it's going to be 100% type growth plus. So we're quite confident we'll be mid-20s, but the stretch target is 30. Yes, I guess I'm just my question was more that you were saying that the segment would grow 50 percent and then you bought a company that's doing $30,000,000 during the year and you're still saying that the segment grows 50 percent. So like something seems like that modest. It grew last year it was $12,000,000 in sales, last year. This year it's going to be 25%, maybe upwards of 30%. So that's 100% growth. So it may be the time period that you jotted down or what we said, there's some confusion. But when we said 50% to 100% growth, we're talking about the prior year as a starting point. But even with that said, we would expect next year to be 50% plus growth. The thing about MIRROR is it is so much early than universal robots and therefore customers are even less aware of what's possible. But when they do learn about it, we tend to have leads that can be 10 pieces, 15 pieces, it's not 1 or 2. So it might be a bit lumpy, but it certainly has the ability to grow at a much faster rate because it's small and the orders are larger quantities. Okay. Yes, I was talking about the segment as a whole, but yes, great. Thanks. Okay. I lost it. I just think just to clarify on that one question again that for the total IA segment, and what we've been saying is UR grows at about 50% plus a year. We add in MiR, which is growing in that 50% to 100% range And this is over the course of a couple of years. So we would expect the combined segments to be growing in that long term model we put out 50% to 55%. There's obviously room for some upside on that, but as we've demonstrated with UR, we've had 3 years of growth beyond the 50% level. We're still sticking to that 50% level for this year as well. But adding mirror in does give us some upside potential. The next question is from Tom Diffely with D. A. Davidson. Yes, good morning. When you look at the new E Series, it sounds like a lot of that is software driven. Does that give you an opportunity to retrofit your 25 1,000 or so robots in the field? No, we would not be retrofitting those cobots. This product is different enough that it would not make sense and those cobots are all being used very productively, so no. Okay. And then just to follow-up on the question about your facilities in China. How long would it take you to move the final assembly from a Chinese facility to another region? It would probably take us to be up in full production, probably 6 weeks. But if the rest of the world is doing the same thing, then we might run into a problem. Okay. Thank you. The next question will come from Mehdi Hosseini with SIG. Yes, thanks for squeezing me in. Just going back to the Industrial Automation and appreciate the breakdown between UR and MiR. You mentioned the longer term growth of 50% to 55% with a bias to the upside. Is that upside going to be dependent on additional acquisitions. It's dependent solely on new enabling technologies that expand what these products can do and these enabling technologies are things like Energet path planning or these vision modules And I'm speaking about the ARM now. So there's new technologies that we see that should hit the market and be usable with an easy to use framework and that expands the market. But we don't need to buy anything or acquire anything. Got it. And then shifting gear to Semi Test, specifically SoC. I like the way you framed the opportunity to 7 nanometer, but I want to dig in. To me, it seems like the incremental growth drivers are driven by GPU and new ASIC chips, 2 areas where historically Teradon has had lower market share. Is there any specific program or what are your thoughts about gaining share? Because in order to take that 2% to 4% CAGR growth for Semi Test, you need to see your Semi Test market share rebound. And in my opinion, the GPU and ASIC will become critical. So any thoughts will be appreciated. Yes. In my prepared comments, Mehdi, I was talking about how Edge AI, which a lot of the ASICs in particular are areas we are participating and have good share. The GPU area itself is not something that we have good share in. We obviously have some targets there, but it will take technology discontinuities to enable us to get into the specific GPU market. But the growth rate, if you talk about the growth rate of these class of parts, today as a baseline, roughly speaking, we think that the GPU and ASIC AI related chips are $100,000,000 ish of ATE test. And they're probably going to grow at 10 plus maybe 20% clip over the next few years. That's a combination of both GPU and ASIC, which incorporates these AI at the edge elements. So for that piece of the market that we think is also going to be growing in these 20% clip rate, we will and are participating. The GPU segment, we're not counting on it, but we are positioned for certain technology discontinuities that could give us a shot. Great. Do you mind if I just have a follow-up? On the ASIC side, do you think your customers are going to be like a subcons? Is that going to be more like foundry? Or is there a new category of a customer that is emerging? I'm not sure who are the customers looking forward for this specific area. Well, it's like other parts of the fabless world. The actual test equipment buyers will be foundries and subcons and that's true today. The actual selling of the capability of the tester will be to the design house. So in some cases, you'll find an automotive manufacturer designing an ASIC for autonomous driving for their vehicle. And it will be that design team that will choose the test equipment. In other cases, an automotive manufacturer might outsource the design to a 3rd party silicon house. That 3rd party silicon house will be the house that decides on the test supplier. So it's usually almost always the design team. Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. The next question will come from Krish Sankar with Cowen and Company. Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I have 2 of them. 1 is on the memory market, it looks like your market share is probably in the high mid to high 20s. And you guys have spoken about getting to like a 40% plus market share over the next few years. Wafer test? Or is there a way to quantify how much is flash wafer test? Or is there a way to quantify how much is flash wafer test and how much would DRAM be as part of that market share mix? And then I had a follow-up. Yes. It moves around every year, but a way to think about it is the market segments 25 percent, 25%, 25%, 25%. So final test, 25% DRAM, 25% flash, wafer test, 25% DRAM, 25% flash. So by entering the wafer test portion of memory test, we've increased our served market from 25% of the overall market to 75% of the overall market. Now in any given year that can move a little bit, but over the average it over 3 or 4 years, that's about how it breaks down. Got it, got it. All right, that's very helpful. And then I had a follow-up on the wireless test. I understand 5 gs is going to be mass deployment still like 2, 3 years out. But if you look at some of your comps like Keysight, they already begin to get traction on 5 gs testers. And my understanding was from a wonder why you guys are not seeing the traction in 5 gs while your some of your peers are? Yes. Our differentiation is, Yes. Our differentiation is much more in the production environment when 5 gs gets rolled out in high volume. We excel in that environment. We have the easiest to use testers, great throughput, great support. The company you mentioned and others tend to be more lab based. So they're there earlier and the feature set they have often isn't what you need in production. It's probably too costly, but it's very useful in the lab. Thanks, Vivek. Okay. And operator, we have time for just one more question, please. Yes, sir. The final question is from Patrick Howe with Stifel. Thank you very much. Mark, maybe if you give a little bit of color in terms of the SOC trends that you saw in the June quarter. Was it a steady kind of buildup that led to the upside or was it kind of a sudden surge at the end of the quarter with some of the marketplaces you talked about, power management, analog, automotive? It was pretty steady. Analog, for example, throughout the quarter continued the order rate at a very steady clip. It usually can be lumpy, but our principal customers in automotive and industrial that are analog suppliers have just been for a couple of years now, but increasingly buying at a steady rate. Automotive, similar. We did if anything, we saw one isolated area that I would say might have been a bit of a surge toward the end of the quarter and that was around image sensors, which is usually a mobility related issue, image sensor testing, but everything else was pretty steady. Okay, great. And then my follow-up question, following up on the SoC test trends, these trends, obviously, as you mentioned, have been actually pretty consistent over the last few years on these type of devices. I know it's a little bit early, but as you look at 2019, given some of the new marketplaces, new applications and new products that are coming out, do you see another healthy year in these type of, I guess, the low end IC device test market for 2019? Yes, that's I think that's really hard to call. I don't see anything that is an anchor at the moment. I do think that the real next uptick coming and it's probably late 2019 into 2020 is 5 gs. So that will produce a lot of demand because the technologies tend to obsolete the semiconductor test equipment that's out there. So that will be a very discernible and additional wave that comes. But the other markets and the other buying that's going on now, I would say, feels and has been for a couple of years and feels right now to be just steady as she goes. Great. Thank you. Great. Okay, everybody. Thanks for joining us today. This concludes the call and look forward to talking to you in the days and weeks ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference call. You may now disconnect.