Hello, welcome to Target Hospitality's second quarter 2023 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star, then 1 on your touch tone phone. Please note this event is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Mark Schuck, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Financial Planning. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Target Hospitality's second quarter 2023 earnings call. The press release we issued this morning outlining our second quarter results can be found in the investor section of our website. In addition, a replay of this call will be archived on our website for a limited time. Please note the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements contained in the press release. This same language applies to statements made on today's conference call. This call will contain time-sensitive information as well as forward-looking statements, which are only accurate as of today, August ninth, 2023. Target Hospitality expressly disclaims any obligation to update or amend the information contained in this conference call to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after today's date, except as required by applicable law.
For a complete list of risks and uncertainties that may affect future performance, please refer to Target Hospitality's periodic filings with the SEC. We will discuss non-GAAP financial measures on today's call. Please refer to the tables in our earnings release, posted in the investor section of our website, to find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call and their corresponding GAAP measures. Leading the call today will be Brad Archer, President and Chief Executive Officer, followed by Eric T. Kalamaras, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Brad Archer.
Thanks, Mark. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. Our record-setting second quarter results reflect the positive momentum we have sustained over the past year. We have established significant operational flexibility and scale, enabling us to appropriately match customer demand while continuing to generate strong financial results. We continue to benefit from our materially expanded presence, providing critical hospitality solutions to the U.S. Government. This intentional focus has resulted in over 70% of second quarter revenue being derived from committed contracts backed by the United States Government, with 78% of second quarter revenue having minimum revenue commitments. These elements supported over $368 million of Discretionary Cash Flow over the last 12 months, representing an impressive Discretionary Cash Flow yield to revenue of over 61% over that time.
This materially enhanced operating platform has allowed Target to efficiently serve its world-class customers while positioning the company to quickly respond to strategic growth opportunities, all while continuing to generate impressive operating income. In our HFS South segment, we have remained focused on providing premium full-service hospitality solutions to our world-class customers, many of whom have been customers for over a decade. As a result, Target continues to benefit from consecutive quarterly increases in customer demand, resulting in an 18% year-over-year increase in utilization, with consistent customer renewal rates of over 90%, which we have enjoyed for over 7 years. We continue to benefit from these strong demand fundamentals and the more fully optimized network we have created over the past year. These elements have supported a more normalized pricing environment, and we anticipate continued positive momentum in the coming quarters.
Regarding our government segment, our purpose-built portfolio of assets continue to serve the critical humanitarian aid mission they were designed to support, while exceeding the expectation of our partners in the U.S. Government since our first community was established in 2014. Target's communities are frequently visited by the agencies they serve, as well as adjacent agencies, and consistently receive the highest government ratings on all of their operating specifications and metrics. This is a testament to the world-class solutions we have created to serve the specific needs of the U.S. Government's humanitarian mission. Regarding our existing PECOS Children's Center community, as we previously announced, several key milestones have been achieved related to securing a long-term contract for this community. Our existing nonprofit partner was awarded an indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract, which establishes the contracting vehicle required by the U.S. Government to appropriately fund multi-year contract awards.
Importantly, the performance of work statement coinciding with the IDIQ contract materially aligns with the existing specifications and capabilities of PCC. This is significant as our community has established a blueprint for the government's desired influx care facility sites. Further, in connection with the performance of work statement, the government outlined their desire to increase their ICF capacity to accommodate up to 10,000 individuals, requiring a total of 3 influx care facility contract awards, or 2, in addition to the established PCC community. As the government has continually stated, additional humanitarian housing capacity is urgently needed to manage the increasing number of unaccompanied children arriving into the U.S. These ICF sites are critical to the U.S. Government and paramount in their ability to adequately support surge capacity in excess of existing shelter capacity, which has remained static for many years.
In response to the government's stated desire to increase their ICF capacity, we have partnered with multiple established government service providers and jointly submitted several solutions for new ICF sites. These new ICF sites are in addition to the established PCC community and our ongoing relationship with our nonprofit partner. In summary, we have positioned Target to participate in a much larger influx care opportunity set than just PCC. We remain committed to our existing nonprofit partner and the exceptional community and service offering we have jointly created at the PECOS facility. We have also expanded our strategic government service partnerships and jointly submitted several bids across numerous geographic locations for the creation of new ICF solutions for the U.S. Government. I'll now turn the call over to Eric to discuss our second quarter financial results, expanding humanitarian focus, and capital allocation initiatives in more detail.
Thank you, Brad. In the second quarter, we continued to benefit from our established operational scale and ability to align with customer demand and consistently deliver strong financial results. Second quarter of 2023 total revenue was $144 million, and adjusted EBITDA was approximately $91 million. Our government segment produced quarterly revenue of approximately $101 million, compared to $75 million in the same period last year. The significant increase was attributed to expanded PCC community. Our HFS segments delivered quarterly revenue of $42 million, compared to $35 million in the same period last year. This increase was driven by sustained momentum in customer demand for Target's premium service offerings.
Current corporate expenses for the quarter were approximately $9 million, and we anticipate recurring corporate expenses will remain around $9 million-$10 million per quarter for the remainder of the year. Total capital spending was approximately $60 million, with the majority related to expanding our government portfolio in anticipation of the government's request to increase their ICF network capacity. We expect a more moderate pace of capital spending through the remainder of the year, excluding potential acquisitions or government contract awards. We ended the quarter with $70 million of cash and $195 million of liquidity, with zero borrowings under the company's $125 million revolving credit facility and a net leverage ratio of 0.4x .
As it relates to the outstanding senior notes, we continue to evaluate a range of liability management initiatives focused on further strengthening our financial position while balancing the expanded pipeline of strategic growth opportunities. This approach is centered on maximizing financial flexibility, enabling us to quickly react to value-enhancing growth opportunities as they arise. Before we discuss the specifics around our expanding humanitarian opportunities, I would like to touch on the influx care facility concept and its intended purpose in serving the Government's humanitarian mission. As a reminder, the Government has a network of shelter capacity that consists of smaller facilities located across the United States. While these facilities are a fraction of the size of Target's existing PCC ICF community, the Government utilizes these shelter facilities to address their humanitarian housing solutions for unaccompanied children prior to occupying influx care sites.
Influx care facilities are intended to manage surge capacity beyond the U.S. Government's existing shelter capacity. However, PCC and the government's desired influx care network capacity play a critical and necessary role in supporting this humanitarian mission. Due to the small size of individual shelter sites, the government has focused on its efforts in increasing influx capacity that is urgently needed to manage the increasing and consistent numbers of unaccompanied children entering the U.S. that could strain the government's shelter network. Simply stated, the influx care network is an essential element, allowing the U.S. Government to appropriately manage surge capacity in an efficient, humanitarian, and seamless manner. As a result, the occupancy at government influx care facilities, including PCC, will fluctuate with meaningful changes in occupancy over any given period of time. Now, turning to our expanded humanitarian community opportunities and ongoing organic growth initiatives.
To meet the desired ICF network capacity for unaccompanied children, the United States government has indicated their intention to award a total of 3 ICF contracts supporting the population of up to 10,000 individuals. As it relates specifically to PCC, we believe the existing community and the solidified relationship with their nonprofit partner will remain a critical solution to the government's ICF capacity. Further, the alignment of existing PCC specifications and capabilities with this desired government ICF blueprint provides additional confidence as we work through ongoing contract discussions. We remain pleased with the progress and anticipate additional contract specifications to be finalized later this year. In addition, Target has strategically partnered with another established government service provider and has jointly submitted several proposals supporting approximately $1 billion of cumulative capital deployment to create additional, highly customized, and purpose-built ICF solutions for the United States government.
Importantly, these proposed solutions span numerous geographic locations, providing the U.S. Government with maximum flexibility as they determine their desired locations for new ICF sites. As a reminder, Target recently acquired strategic humanitarian assets in anticipation of this request from the U.S. Government. These assets have been proposed as a viable solution to meet the Government's desired increase in ICF capacity. Further, Target's established presence, providing these critical and highly customized solutions to the U.S. Government, is an essential element, and we believe positions Target advantageously to pursue these additional ICF opportunities. We are excited about the opportunity to expand our critical humanitarian service offering to the U.S. Government and aid in this humanitarian mission. We continue to evaluate an active pipeline of strategic growth opportunities.
Company is providing 2023 financial outlook, which includes revenue between $550 million and $580 million, just EBITDA between $346 million and $365 million. Excluding acquisitions, 2023 capital spending should approach more normal levels between $25 million and $35 million per year, predominantly focused on organic growth capital. As we discussed, by their very nature, ICF facilities are designed to support a dynamic population and can experience meaningful fluctuations in occupancy over any given period of time. The range of 2023 revenue reflects the adjustment of anticipated variable service revenue associated with the PCC community only for the remainder of 2023. As it relates to Target's strategic initiatives, Target is pursuing an expanding pipeline of growth opportunities and partnerships.
These opportunities are designed to jointly leverage Target's operating expertise with contract vehicles that will create a number of solutions across various U.S. Government agencies for projects that support national defense, energy transition, and humanitarian projects. As previously stated, Target is prepared to allocate over $500 million of net growth capital to these high return opportunities over the next several years. We are pleased with the progress of discussions for many of these large-scale projects and look forward to providing additional updates in the coming quarters as the opportunities hopefully progress. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Brad for closing comments.
Thanks, Eric. Our record-setting second quarter results are a testament to the operational efficiencies and scale we have created, enabling us to appropriately match customer demand while simultaneously generating strong financial results. We are well positioned and excited to participate in the expanding influx care opportunity set. We are confident in the exceptional community and service offering we have jointly created with our leading national nonprofit partner, and that PCC will remain a critical solution for the U.S. Government. In addition, we believe our new partnership and the numerous ICF solutions we have proposed create an exciting opportunity to potentially expand our critical service offering to the U.S. Government. We are well positioned and remain focused on pursuing this expanding pipeline of growth opportunities while continuing to accelerate value creation for our shareholders.
I appreciate everyone joining us on the call today, and thank you again for your interest in Target Hospitality.
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press Star, then One on your touch tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press Star, then Two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Scott Schneeberger of Oppenheimer. Go ahead.
Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone.
Morning.
Morning. For my first question, I'd like to inquire, I guess, Eric, this would be for you. The guidance range, adjustment, low end and high end, what does that contemplate for occupancy at the PECOS facility?
Hi, good morning, Scott. Thanks for the, thanks for the question. When, when we look to modify the outlook, you know, the revisions as we stated, were specifically related to the variable services revenue, right? As we think about going forward, again, specifically for 2023 at this point, you know, we and our partners certainly were, you know, anticipating higher, higher variable occupancy there than what we would have received for the first part of the year. I think as we look going forward, you know, we're not assuming that there's, there's any variable services revenue at this point, which we know, which I think is prudent based upon what we've seen. I think it's safe to say that we all, all been somewhat surprised by that.
You know, having said that, nothing has changed about how we, how we view the contract or certainly its durability going forward. I think as we think about going, you know, going and, and looking at all the opportunities we have ahead of us, and we think about the upside of the, of the outlook, you know, there's, there's certainly a lot of opportunity where we can, we can certainly fit towards even the high end of that, just depending on the cadence and timing of, as to when or if those opportunities, satisfy themselves.
Thanks. And, and obviously, yeah, not, not, not activity at PECOS at the moment. Could you just, given what we've seen with, with flows, this summer, and maybe compare and contrast that to recent years past, just give us an update on seasonality considerations, Is there, it doesn't sound like it's baked into your guidance, but what you've seen with, with flows and your conversations with the government, do you anticipate a chance of utilization prior to year-end? Thanks.
Sure. I think it's too early to say that. Let me say this. I'm never gonna say that we're not going to get increased RMC there, right? I mean, I think that's always the optionality. We, if you recall, you know, we can get just a week's notice as to what the government plans to do there to increase that. In fact, I would say even going back in the early summer, we were having daily calls in and around, you know, Title 42, about putting, you know, potentially putting material occupants at the site. That's, look, that's always a possibility at any given point in time. I think it's really a function of what's happening. You know, let me give you an example, right?
When we were looking at Title 42, there was, like, a tremendous amount of demand, really across a number of entry points. I think, I think what's happened is, you know, perhaps that's, that's upended the timing a little bit, right? You know, we'll just have to wait and see how that ebbs and flows, you know, over time. It's really hard to, really hard to predict.
Yeah, I, I think maybe just to clear the air on the, on this variable piece and utilization as it, as it sits today, I think it's really important to kind of bifurcate those two. You know, if you look at utilization where we sit today in PECOS, there is no correlation between utilization and the ultimate need for 10,000 ICF beds. The need is there for insurance, for, for the, for the, for the Government. They, you know, looked at this 3 years ago. They did PECOS. They're moving in now to, you know, adding additional facilities, as, as we've said in our release. There's no correlation when you look at how many, if kids, if you will, are sitting in there today, and the need and the change in how they're envisioning this.
I think there's a difference on, you know, once they're there, we can all look at order flows and see that and say, "Okay, they're gonna be variable?" There will absolutely be some variable. There has for many, many years, but this is for influx capacity.
All right. Thanks, Brad. I appreciate that. Going up, going up a level, the some discussion on this call about the Government looking at not, not just PECOS, but a couple other locations. I guess, not that you'll be able to answer this with certainty, because you don't know what your, your, the Government customer will ultimately do. Do you get a sense from your discussions with them that, in isolation, or are all these, these three there, and does it feel more like the Government may, put them all together? It makes its final decision.
Scott, I don't know-
What?
Yeah.
That's it, Brad. Thanks.
I don't know if it's on our end or your end, but you were breaking up, but we, we caught probably 30%. I think what you were asking, do you think all 10,000 beds basically would be awarded, and, or are they, or is this in isolation? I didn't hear the whole question, so if you can hear me good, let me just give you kind of an update on what we think about the IDIQ process. Can you hear us okay?
Yeah, I heard everything you said, if you can hear me. Yeah, you, you got the question. Do you think PECOS will be awarded in isolation and extension, or all three being grouped together as the government considers it for its award? Thanks.
Yeah, let me give you, everybody, just kind of an update on where we're at in the IDIQ process. You know, last call, we had just received the performance of work statement, and literally right before our call, we did not have time to go through it. In our release, you see they're asking for 10,000 total beds, 3 separate facilities, and they need that. In conversations with them, we've worked on our bids with our partners for the past several months. We submitted Phase 1 technical proposals a few months ago. The Government goes in, they grade your proposals, they look at your partnerships, how you're going to actually, you know, take on the job and get it done, right?
We were selected to move forward with all of our bids into what they call Phase 2 pricing. Phase 2 is the last phase of this bid before an award. There's. Important to note, there's a limited number of companies that were actually selected out of Phase 1 to move into Phase 2. All of our bids were pushed into Phase 2. We submitted our bids on July 26, our pricing for Phase 2. Now it's a waiting game on when this gets awarded. We're being told fourth quarter would be, would be the award. Look, could these be staggered? They absolutely could be. These are very large, very big bids. Even with some of this, could a number 3 go on a little bit farther, farther than the fourth quarter? It absolutely could.
Look, I definitely think there's an award happening in, in, in, in fourth quarter. How many? We, we will see. Definitely there could be some staggering of the award just based on how large they are.
Okay, great. Thanks. I appreciate that call, Brad. I'll, I'll pass it along.
Our next question comes from Stephen Gengaro of Stifel. Go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning, everybody. A couple things for me. I just think just first, one clarification. The 10,000 beds, is that, are they designed for children and staff, or is it just, or is that just the, the, the unaccompanied children portion?
Yeah. There, there's definitely more to go here, right? This is just for children. This doesn't account for what we would have to supply for our partners and our own workforce for housing. At the end of the day, at, at each of these facilities, just like PECOS, there would be a number of beds also on top of this for, for staffing. Look, some of them are different. Depends on. I'm not, for competitive reasons, I'm not gonna tell you where these are located and what we bid, but some might be closer to, to a city where you can actually house some there. There will be a number of extra rooms, if you will, and some fairly substantial, depending on what locations they pick, would, would add to this number for us, and the contract would get bigger.
Okay. Thanks.
Make sense?
Then that does make sense. Yes. Thanks. Then two other things. First, you, you addressed this to an extent, but I'm just curious. When we, you know, we're looking at, and, these fact sheets that tells utilization has been, you know, zero for several months, and then we, and then we sort of are trying to triangulate that into, into long-term demand, which you, you had noted on the call earlier was a, was a flawed approach. When a, when a, when an unaccompanied minor enters the country, maybe it would be helpful for us, to the extent you can, what are the different paths for this unaccompanied minor? And at, at what points would he be utilizing any influx care facility versus the other parts of the system?
Yeah, I'll let Eric jump on this, but let me say, it's not so much a flawed approach in how you look at border crossings. It, that eventually happens to become influx, right? I'm saying it's probably a flawed, it's the flawed approach for the need. If you're looking at just that for the need of these facilities. These needs are much deeper than just looking at, if you will, what's coming across today. They've known they've had this issue for many, many years. This is their solution for many, many more years, because influx is going to come. Trying to put your finger on when that happens is the kind of the million-dollar question, if you will.
I understand.
What we do know is, that's kind of my saying that, you can't correlate those two. Hopefully that.
I got you.
Right.
No, that, I appreciate it. That makes sense.
Even to further expand on that, you know, I think as we likely to discuss before, it's really a function. The movement from into Influx is really a function of the strain, if you will, on the shelter capacity, right? There are approximately 9,000 beds within the shelter system, and so at a certain level. Now those are tended to be small across a number of states, and so it's, it can be easy at times for those to potentially get strained and have too many occupants in any given site. At that point in time, there's obviously some logistical maneuvering that the government will do. Beyond the shelter capacity, once it gets to a certain threshold level, they'll start moving into Influx, right?
Right now, we're, let's say we're about 75% occupied within the, within the shelter system. At some level above that, they start moving and shifting into Influx. You know, I would say that it's not that far away, but, you know, it's, it still hasn't happened yet. I think regardless, to, to Brad's point, you know, this is a, a, an insurance policy, regardless of what that shelter capacity, occupancy looks like at any given point in time, because to the extent it does exceed that, you absolutely need the Influx help, right? To offset-
Immediately.
Immediately. It's not something where the government can wait, which is the whole purpose around the IDIQ and, and, and this discussion. Hopefully that gives you a little bit of additional context as to how that process works.
Yes. Great, thanks. Then just, just one final, and I, and I know this is small, and you may not want to comment specifically, but when we look at the government revenue for the quarter, the, the, the numbers that we get based on the, the knowns that we have, which are probably not perfect, was that the utilization of, of, of the ICF was in the low 30s in the first quarter. We also, there also was some revenue contribution in the second quarter, despite what I thought was an empty facility. Am I thinking about that wrong, or is there still some, I mean, some variable revenue?
Yeah, I, I, I don't think, I don't think. Well, a couple of things. One, we haven't specifically talked about the variable contribution per quarter, but I think if, if there were any, it's, it wasn't that much.
Okay. All right.
We can talk about it.
All right, great.
We can talk about it offline.
Okay.
Dig into it a little bit further.
All right. Very good. Now, thanks for all the color. Thank you.
Again, if you have a question, please press Star, then One. Our next, our next question comes from Greg Gibas of Northland Securities. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Good morning. Brad and Eric. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on the quarter. When we think about that, that 10,000 bed number that the government's demanding, you know, how, how many incremental beds is that? You know, should we think about that 6,400 current capacity at, at PECOS and then, another, like, I think, 2,200 that you have in another contract with the government? I mean, how should we think about incremental beds? I guess that's kind of the follow-up there is, you know, the assets that you've acquired, that aren't currently contracted with the government, you know, would you say those basically meet the government's needs or requirements, I guess, right now?
You, you know, maybe, I guess, as they stand today, or would additional capacity or, you know, anything requiring capital be required?
Yeah, the facility we, we acquired, I will tell you, was definitely used in our bid process. We definitely think it, it, it, it meets some of the needs for this bid. As I mentioned earlier, there will definitely be customer beds, employee beds, if you will, on each facility, on top of the 3,000 per, per, per facility, right? I'm not, again, for competitive reasons, this is an open bid. I'm not gonna get into how many that is or how large that is. Just again, it would be inappropriate at this time to, to do that. Hopefully, we're awarding them, and then we can talk more, more about kind of how it's built.
What's out there is definitely the, the 3,000 beds for the U.S. Government, and what we haven't put out is how many other beds we would need to put out, you know, for our, for the customer side, for the employee side.
Greg, to address the incrementalization of your question, as it relates specifically to Dilley, right? That's not included here, right? Everything we're talking about is obviously over and above that. PCC is effectively embedded within that 10,000 number, right? Effectively, if you think about PCC in of itself, you're thinking about an additional 6,000-
Not, not, but only the 3,000, not the 64.
That's right. That's I'm talking just-.
Only the kids bed.
Correct. Just 3,000. It'd be the additional 6,000 for children, that's that same amount. Hopefully that gives a little bit more clarification.
That does. Thanks for clarifying that and appreciate the color there. You know, I guess just to follow up on, you know, previous question, regarding, I guess, variable revenue. You know, what was, I guess, the reason for the, the maybe slight guide down in EBITDA or relation of just, less variable contributions you're expecting this year? I, I guess, overall, just wondering what your updated assumptions for variable revenue are this year.
Well, typically, we see, we see a stronger, a stronger seasonality in and around the late spring through, through the summertime. I think a lot of that was pulled forward because of Title 42. Which again, was not an expectation that we would have had coming into this. You know, I think as we look at that and we see that, that shift, earlier in the year than we would, we would expect to specifically link Title 42, then, you know, I think it's caused us to relook at it. You know, again, we try to be and we try to be thoughtful and conservative as to how we, as to how we provide outlooks, right?
You know, as a function of that, we just feel it's, it's prudent and appropriate adjustment to make as we, as we look at the balance of the year. That being said, there's nothing that there's nothing that says that, that, that can't, that can't, that can't come back, right? As I mentioned a moment ago, I mean, shelter capacity is 70%, 75%. At some level, over and above that, you know, you certainly would look at an influx of care.
Great. Very helpful. you know, I guess lastly, just anything you can share, on, on your new government service provider partner and maybe how they offer new market opportunities versus your existing nonprofit partner?
Look, I'm not going to go into names. Again, open bid, right? still out there. I tell you, we're very excited about who we partnered with. Very large government services firm. this bid, really takes in... It's much larger than what we're doing today, right? we're going after all of the, all of the bid. We bid on all facilities. Geography-wise, it stretches much further than we're, than where we're at. so going in and partnering with, say, you know, with a, with a firm like that, really made sense. I will tell you, very happy with the existing partner, that we have in PCC.
As you know, we're aligned there, so we have an 11-year agreement with them on that facility, and we provided everything they asked for, in, in what they wanted to submit to the government for this bid. We wanted to go after, you know, you know, all of it, and, and try to grow our government business. We think we have the ability to do that, with, with this, with this new partner.
Great. Appreciate it, guys.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Stephen Gengaro of Stifel. Go ahead.
Thanks. Thanks for taking the follow-up. Just on the, on the, in the oil patch, when we look at activity levels there, I mean, clearly, rig counts are down, completion activity is likely down in the second half of the year. It does seem like we're stabilizing and looking at a recovery, likely next year. Are you seeing much change in, in, in the, in that piece of the business? It doesn't appear so from your guidance. I just wanted to check that.
Look, we have said, you know, we started saying earlier in the year that, you know, we're expecting some, some margin expansion as we, as we head into the back half of this year. You know, we started seeing that really starting in the second quarter as we, as we, you know, saw some additional inflation pressures come down and some, some, some cost containment and create some operating efficiencies. You know, to that extent, you know, things are getting better. I, I think as we. You know, I, I think really your question is the heart of what does de-inflation look like going forward, right? Is there any real change there? I, I wouldn't tell you that we are expecting anything significantly different from that high 70% area utilization that we're at now.
I would expect that to continue. You know, hopefully, that, hopefully, that continues to get better. You know, there is some potential for some consolidation, which is, you know, just starting to take hold a bit, so that could be helpful to us over time. Look, I, I wouldn't, I would, I would think that there is still some, some, you know, steady, slight growth there, but, I wouldn't expect anything material, at this point.
Okay, thanks. Just one other quick one on the government. Should we think about the potential structure of contracts to be similar to PECOS, where there's sort of this fixed piece to kind of protect you and keep your assets?
... you know, you're giving your assets for utilization on, for a long period of time, plus some variable portion. Like, is that, is that the standard structure we should expect?
I, I think the way you think about these contracts going forward is the structure we have with, with PCC, specifically related to how that was structured from a, from a minimum revenue piece to, to a variable piece, as well, as well as to the, to, to the capital and the payback portions. I think you should think about those generally being roughly very similar in concept and structure.
Okay, great. No, thank you for all the details. Thanks.
Our next question comes from Scott Schneeberger of Oppenheimer. Go ahead.
Thank you. I just wanted to touch base on, it didn't come up much on this call, because alot of the ICF discussion was prominent, but previously with options across the government agencies, and I just wanted to give an update on some of the non-ICF opportunities you're pursuing. Is there an update there? Thank you.
Sure. Definitely there's some, you know, organic progress being made as far as... I'm not gonna get into specifics, but, some of the same things we've always talked about, from, from natural resources, also other government services than, than the ICF piece. We continually are, are out trying to expand, our, our government piece of the business. There's some even in, in, in the HFS side, you know, that, that, that could happen as well. Very strong pipeline organically out there, and we continue to say, stronger than what we've had in, in many, in many years past. Again, project's very large. They take time to, to, to kind of get done, but we're making headway on some.
Yeah, I think, I think, you know, you know, to that, to that point, you know, we have said over, over, you know, the past several quarters that we're continually looking to expand into, you know, further regions of the Government, right? I, I think, you know, having, having the digital partner, having multiple sites, we're, look, we're clearly executing on that. These are, these are big, and I, I think we wanna be thoughtful around what we're what we're looking at here. You know, we're not taking our eye off the ball and continuing to grow the business, you know, really throughout, throughout Government. There are other things that we're working on in addition to these, as well as, as Brad mentioned, with the Government and, of course, with other business and industry.
look, the pipeline is robust, and we look forward to trying to execute on it.
Great, thanks. Then one last one from me. I heard in prepared remarks, CapEx moderating through the end of the year, but the guidance did increase for the year. Was that all what you were doing in the second quarter, working with that newly acquired strategic asset? Am I, am I point on there, or is there, is there a little bit more to it?
No, you're right.
What might-
No.
Oh, 2024.
Go ahead, go ahead, Scott. Go ahead.
No, that's it. Just, just, and, and 24 considerations on CapEx, after that one. Thanks.
Sure. No, you're, you're right. We had most, most, most of that spending was, was in the first, was really in the first half, you know, particularly in the first quarter. So as that, that was the nature of the comment around moderating, you know, towards, really towards the back half of the year. You know, as you think about going into 2024, you know, look, I, I would say at a, a base level, I would kind of stick with, with something that looks, that looks similar to, you know, to what we've got for 2023 as well.
You know, look, the nature of, of what we're talking about here on, on capital spending, look, it could be significant at gross level, but if the structure is, is what we believe it to be, you know, from, from a capital spending level with, with the ICF contracts on a net capital level, it looks very similar to what we got this year. You get a very big nameplate number, but not so, not so big number on a net basis.
Okay. Thanks very much.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like now to turn the conference back over to Brad Archer for any closing remarks.
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