Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to The TJX Companies First Quarter Fiscal 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded as of today, May 19, 2021. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr.
Ernie Herrman, Chief Executive Officer and President of The TJX Companies Incorporated, please go ahead, sir.
Thanks, Ivy. Before we begin, Deb has Some opening comments.
Thank you, Ernie, and good morning. The forward looking statements we make today about the The company's results and plans are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results and the implementation of the company's plans to vary momentarily. These risks are discussed in the company's SEC filings, including without limitation, the Form 10 ks filed March 31, 2021. Further, these comments and the Q and A that follows are copyrighted today by The TJX Companies, Any recording, retransmission, reproduction or other use of the same for profit or otherwise Without prior consent of TJX, it's prohibited and a violation of the United States copyright and other laws. Additionally, while we have approved the publishing of a transcript of this call by a third party, we take no responsibility for inaccuracies that may appear in that transcript.
Thank you. And now I'll turn it back over to Ernie.
Good morning. Joining me and Deb on the call is Scott Goldenberg. As we've done throughout the pandemic, I'd like to start our call today by saying how truly grateful I am for the hard work and dedication of our global associates and their continued commitment to our health and safety protocols. I want to give special recognition to our store, distribution center and fulfillment center associates who continue to physically come into work. In recognition of their continued efforts, we awarded a vast Majority of them an appreciation bonus, which was the 4th appreciation bonus that we have paid during the pandemic.
While the health crisis is beginning to improve in some parts of the world, there are many areas that are still facing challenges Or have become worse. Our hearts go out to everyone whose lives have been impacted by this virus. We are hopeful that more people around the world We'll have access to the vaccine in the coming months and that we can move past this health crisis soon. Moving to our business operations. During the Q1, we were very pleased that our U.
S. Stores were able to stay open. However, we continue to have a Significant number of our stores in Europe and Canada that were temporarily closed at certain times throughout the quarter due to government mandates. Currently, approximately 300 stores remain temporarily closed, all of which are in either Canada or Europe. Around the world, we continue to prioritize the health and well-being of our associates and customers in our stores, our distribution centers And our offices.
Now I'll recap our Q1 results. First, I am extremely pleased that our overall open only comp store sales when compared to fiscal 2020 increased 16%, which well exceeded our plans. We believe we saw a benefit from consumers feeling more comfortable leaving their homes, visiting our stores and being happy with the brands and values they found. Our home businesses across all of our divisions continued their phenomenal sales trends. Further, we saw strong open only comp increases in many other categories and positive open only comp store sales in overall apparel.
Open only comp sales were also outstanding across each of our divisions, which indicates to us that our value proposition continues to resonate in all of our geographies. I'll talk more about our divisional performance in a moment. Next, Overall sales of $10,100,000,000 were a 1st quarter sales record despite the temporary closing of our stores for approximately 14% of the quarter. We are extremely pleased that we are seeing our most loyal customers return to our stores in the U. S.
And that new shoppers are discovering our great values and exciting treasure hunt shopping experience. All of this Gives us great confidence that we are set up extremely well to continue driving sales and gain additional market share over the medium to long term. 3rd, merchandise margin remains healthy. The buying environment is excellent with the marketplace loaded with a great selection of merchandise to keep up with the strong consumer demand that we have been seeing. Lastly, 1st quarter earnings per share of $0.44 We're also well above our plans despite a larger than expected sales loss as our non U.
S. Stores were temporarily closed more than we had anticipated. Now to our divisional performance, which is again compared to fiscal 2020, beginning with Marmaxx. Marmaxx's open only comp store sales increased an outstanding 12%, and overall sales increased 14% versus the Q1 of fiscal 'twenty. Marmaxx's home business continued its excellent performance with a comp increase similar to home goods as shoppers continue to spend on their homes.
We were also very pleased to see a comp sales increase in our overall apparel business, which was driven by strong demand in select categories. We believe our apparel sales benefited from wardrobe refreshing as more consumers began resuming more normal activities. We feel very good about Marmaxx's sales momentum and our ability to flex their merchandise mix to the category shoppers want. At HomeGoods, open only comp store sales increased a phenomenal 40%. During the quarter, HomeGoods and HomeSense sales were remarkable across all major categories and geographic regions as their eclectic Mix of home fashions from around the world continue to resonate with consumers.
Similar To home sales at Marmaxx, we believe home goods sales continue to benefit from consumers spending more time in their homes during the health crisis. We have been aggressively investing in the growth of our Home division for many years and are convinced we are set up very well to build upon our market leadership position in the United States. While Canada continues to face challenges with store closures, we are very encouraged with the sales trends we have seen when our stores are open. TJX Canada's open only comp store sales increased 9%. Open only comp sales at our HomeSense banner and home sales at Winners and Marshalls We're also in line with the increase we saw at our HomeGoods division.
Shoppers love our great values in Canada, And we are very confident that this division is well positioned to return to and exceed their pre pandemic sales levels once we are beyond this health crisis. Now to TJX International. Like Canada, Europe faced continued store closures, and we expect them to continue into the Q2 as well. However, during the limited time our stores were permitted to be open, customer excitement was very high and response to our values was fantastic. We were very pleased with TJX International's 11% open only comp store sales increase.
Given the length of time our stores were closed in Europe, we saw significant pent up demand when we reopened later in the quarter. As the only major brick and mortar off price retailer of significant size in Europe, we see an opportunity to scale our business And capture a bigger piece of the European retail market over the long term. In Australia, Where our stores were generally open for the entire quarter, comp store sales were extremely strong for both our apparel and home categories. As to e commerce overall, we saw terrific growth over Q1 fiscal 'twenty sales levels in both the U. S.
And U. K. We are still on track to launch homegoods.com later this year and are looking forward to offering consumers even more exciting home fashion Moving on. While the health crisis persists, We are confident that the core strengths of our off price business model will continue to help us navigate through the current environment, while setting us up very well To succeed in a more normalized environment, let me take a moment to highlight these strengths. First is our relentless focus on value.
We believe our value proposition, which is a combination of brand, fashion, price and quality, is as important as ever to consumers. 2nd is our world class global buying organization of more than 1100 buyers. These buyers are located in 12 countries across 4 continents and sourced from a vast network of We see our global buying offices and reach as a tremendous advantage, particularly in an environment where travel remains limited. Consumer demand across our home businesses has been especially strong, So our ability to successfully leverage our global buying has been a great benefit. We believe our 500 plus homebuyers around the world allow us to offer consumers a truly global differentiated merchandise mix versus other large retailers.
We strengthened our relationships with many of our vendors and have added thousands of new vendors for apparel and home product over the past year. All of this allows us to offer a fresh and exciting mix of quality branded merchandise to our shoppers every time they visit. Next, the flexibility of our buying store format and distribution network allows us to take advantage of in urban, exurban, suburban and rural markets. With our fast turning inventories, our customers can discover something new in store and online every time they visit. Lastly is our global presence.
With nearly 45 years of operating expertise in the U. S, 30 plus years in Canada and more than 25 years in Europe, We are an off price leader in every country we operate in. Even in Australia, a country we have entered more recently, We are an off price leader. We have spent decades establishing relationships with vendors and landlords and building out our global buying offices, distribution networks, systems and infrastructure. Further, we have Expensive country specific knowledge of consumer shopping habits and have earned customer loyalty.
We believe our well established Global off price retail model and level of international expertise is a tremendous advantage, and our size and scale would be very difficult to replicate. Now I'd like to walk through the reasons why we are confident that we can drive sales and traffic growth in a normalized environment and why we continue to see a significant opportunity to increase our market share across each of our divisions. First, we believe the appeal of our entertaining treasure hunt shopping experience gives consumers a compelling reason to shop us. Based on what we've seen for decades, including the past year end store shopping is not going away. We see our stores as a desirable destination for consumers seeking some stress relief or Quote me time unquote and also a great place to shop when they are seeking inspiration and looking to discover new things, which is difficult to replicate online.
2nd, we see a significant opportunity to grow our global store base at each of our divisions. In total, we believe we can open more than 1600 additional stores to grow to about 6,275 stores in the long Just with our current banners in our current countries. Availability of real estate is terrific, and we see plenty of opportunities to open new stores or relocate existing stores. Further, we believe our strategy of locating stores in convenient, highly Accessible locations makes it very easy for shoppers to find and visit us. We are anticipating incremental traffic once consumers return to their workplaces And go out more as they would be passing by our stores much more frequently.
Next is our focus on marketing to attract new shoppers while staying top of mind with our existing customers. This year, we have already launched new campaigns across Television, digital and social media platforms for a number of our banners. These campaigns continue to reinforce our value leadership while also highlighting Discovery, Fashion and Quality. I hope you have seen them. The creative is excellent.
Let me take a moment to highlight a couple of them. First, we took a unique approach for Mother's Day and Created a multi brand music video in the U. S. That was highly successful and was viewed by more than 17,000,000 times on YouTube over a 2 week period. We also did an integration with the NBC prime show, The Voice, where each of the top 20 contestants This work continues to reflect our leadership in fashion and value and helps us show that our stores can be for everyone.
Further, we continue to see strong overall customer satisfaction scores where we are open, including on our ongoing health and safety protocol measurements. Lastly, our research tells us that overall, we continue to attract new shoppers of all ages into our stores, including a significant amount of Gen Z and millennial shoppers, which we believe bodes well for today and in the future. 4th, we see a great opportunity to capture a bigger share of the consumers' wallet due to other retailers closing stores. We also believe that these Store closures may lead to even better product and real estate availability and more favorable lease terms. Lastly, We are investing in new stores and remodels and our distribution network and systems to ensure we have the infrastructure in place to support our global growth plans.
In closing, I want to again recognize the exceptional talent that we have across this entire company. With outsized open only comps in the Q1, our organization really stepped up from buyers who successfully chased the goods in the marketplace to our associates in planning and allocation, distribution centers, logistics and store operations. Each of these groups And their dedication to TJX that brings our business to life for our customers every day in all kinds of retail environments. Our outstanding Q1 results tell us that consumers are seeking out our branded quality merchandise and great values. Clearly, they are enjoying our entertaining treasure hunt shopping experience.
Overall, open only Comp store sales trends for the start of the second quarter remained similar to the Q1. Looking ahead, I am convinced that TJX is very well positioned to emerge from this health crisis in a position of great strength. We see numerous opportunities to continue our global growth and are excited about the runway for growth that we see ahead for TJX. Now I'll turn the call over to Scott for a financial update, And then we'll open it up for questions.
Thanks, Ernie, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to first echo earnings comments and thank all of our global associates for their hard work and continued commitment to our business. I'll start today with some additional details on our Q1 results. As Ernie mentioned, overall open only comp stores increased an outstanding 16%. As you described in the press release, our Q1 open only comp store sales compare fiscal 'twenty two sales To fiscal 2020 sales, in the Q1, we continued to see a very strong increase in our average basket as consumers put more items into their cards.
In the U. S, where we opened the entire quarter, customer traffic compared to fiscal 2020 Increased for the first time since the start of the pandemic. At Marmaxx, we saw a significant improvement In customer traffic versus the 4th quarter and at HomeGoods customer traffic remained outstanding. Overall sales for the Q1 increased 129% over fiscal 2021 as stores were closed for approximately 50% of the Q1 last year. More importantly, when comparing to fiscal 2020, Q1 sales increased A very strong 9% despite the negative impact of approximately $1,100,000,000 to $1,200,000,000 of lost sales due to the temporary closings of our stores across TJX for about 14% of the quarter.
These closures were primarily in Europe, which was closed for about 76% of the quarter, including essentially all of February March And in Canada, which was closed for approximately 25% of the quarter. Pretax margin for the Q1 was 7.2% And merchandise margin was up slightly compared to fiscal 2020. During the quarter, we were very pleased with our strong mark on and lower markdowns. However, these were mostly offset by significantly higher freight costs, which we expect to persist for the remainder of the year. Moving to the bottom line.
1st quarter earnings per share were $0.44 As detailed in our press release this morning, We believe the temporary store closures in Europe and Canada during the Q1 resulted in a significant loss of profit dollars with an estimated negative impact to earnings per share of approximately $0.21 to $0.24 Additionally, I want to remind you that our Q1 pre tax margin and earnings per share reflect some significant Expense headwinds compared to the Q1 of fiscal 2020. These include approximately 200,000,000 dollars of net cost related to COVID, approximately 40 basis points of additional interest expense and incremental costs from freight, Supply chain and wage pressures. As for inventory, it was up 3% last year and store levels are where we want them to be. Our bars are doing a great job sourcing merchandise and have been able to chase the goods we need to satisfy consumer demand. To reiterate, availability of merchandise is excellent.
Moving on to our cash flow and liquidity. We ended the quarter in a very strong liquidity position with $8,800,000,000 in cash. With our strong liquidity, we took several proactive actions to deleverage our balance sheet and reduce our annual interest expense. First, in April, we paid down the $750,000,000 note that was due to mature this coming June at par. Secondly, this morning, we announced make whole calls for our $1,250,000,000 principal outstanding 3.5 percent notes maturing in 2025 and our $750,000,000 outstanding 3.75 percent notes maturing in 2027, both of which were issued last April.
As a result of this action, we are expecting a pretax Debt extinguishment charge of approximately $250,000,000 in the second quarter. We expect the net results Of both of these actions to be a $2,700,000,000 reduction in our outstanding debt and over $90,000,000 of annualized interest expense savings. Further, after these actions and including the tender refinancing This past November, we expect the average interest rate on our outstanding debt will be about 2.5%, which is in line with our pre COVID level. Lastly, we declared a dividend of $0.26 per share in the Q1. In the Q2 of fiscal 2022, we're planning to declare a dividend at the same rate subject to Board approval.
Now to the Q2. As a point of reference for the start of the Q2, overall open only comp store sales trends remain similar to the Q1. For overall sales, we currently have approximately 300 stores that are temporarily closed. Based on what we know today, overall, we expect stores to be closed for approximately 3% of the second quarter, which includes Canada being closed for an estimated 17% of the quarter and Europe being closed for about 7% of the quarter. We are planning a $275,000,000 to $325,000,000 negative impact to our overall second quarter sales due to These expectations could be negatively impacted further if current mandates are extended or new ones are put in place as they were last quarter.
At this time, we are not planning any significant store closures in the back half of the year. In closing, we feel great about our Q1 results and the momentum of our business. We believe that a growing top line and a strong merchandise margin are excellent indicators of a healthy retailer. Additionally, we have a very strong balance sheet and are in excellent financial position to invest in our business to support our growth plans. Now we're happy to take your questions.
As we do every quarter, we're going to ask you And so that we can answer questions from as many analysts as we can. Thanks. And now we will open it up for questions.
Thank
you. Our first question comes from Omar Saad. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. Really great quarter. I would love to actually hear more on the traffic side of the equation. We know you guys do a great job once you get people in stores.
Can you talk a little bit about the consumers' willingness to come back to the stores? How that's been building? Is it vaccine related? Are you seeing that older customer Come in as they get vaccinated and start to return to in person shopping again. Thanks, Scott.
Thanks, Ernie.
Yes. Great question, Omar, traffic has been very healthy. Scott, I'll give you a little bit of a trend line discussion there. But Nothing in terms of nothing standing out in terms of a difference in age demographics, By the way, but we have such a broad based age demographics across the business. So Probably less likely for us there, but, Scott, on that traffic trend?
Yes. It's hard to get real recent on the age. What we've been seeing at least sort of the last Couple of quarters is a significant number of the new customers that we're getting back are skewing even younger. Remarkably, at HomeGoods, that's even continuing. So, overall, the average age of the customers in both boxes is likely, When we finish up and get current results, probably younger than it has been, so that's really good.
The traffic The patterns once we got past some of the weather issues that we called out on our last call have been consistently strong through We'll call it the Marpril, the front that February, March and continuing right up to as Ernie talked about similar sales today. And that's at both speaking really more Marmaxx and HomeGoods because of the all of the closures that we've had. So the baskets It has been remarkably
strong Strong average basket, Omar. And has
not really Decreased at all. So customers continue to put more units and the traffic continues to be strong and It's just consistently staying that way.
Thanks. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Matt Boss. Your line is open.
Great and congrats on the improvement as well.
Thank you.
It's kind of a 2 part question, probably more for Scott. I guess, first on merchandise margin. So the improvement this quarter relative to pre pandemic despite the freight, I thought was really impressive. I guess, so first, just sustainability or your ability to continue that trend in your opinion. But then second, at the EBIT margin level, So I think 3 months ago, Scott, you laid it out well.
There's a lot of moving parts. But I think you basically said at a 3 comp, You see 30 to 40 basis points of underlying margin pressure, but then we needed to consider freight supply chain and COVID costs this year. So am I thinking about these pieces right and any factors or changes to these factors to think about now that we're 3 months later?
Yes, Matt. I think you're right. A lot of that is for Scott. I will just jump in on the merchandise margin, The healthy merchandise margin, certainly what we're seeing and it fortunately aligns up with our model and again I give the teams a lot of credit, We went in with the right amount of liquidity and so the teams did not I would say they were right in the sweet spot of how much and This applies to all the divisions, most especially, obviously, right now Marmaxx and HomeGoods. Buying to the about the right level of trend and then when you're staying on trend like that with what's going on, the buyers have done a great job Being able to buy so opportunistically in the market, so that helped.
The sales being so strong has been Big benefit on our markdown rate, also helping our merchandise margin. As I said in my script, it's Coming across we're making very advantageous buys across whether it's the level of good vendors, Moderate or best vendors, it's been everywhere but in trending categories, which has been key. So we've had certain categories that are out pacing the store and the merchants have done a great job of buying into those at the right cost and at the right retail because as you know, we're ultra Sensitive about where we retail our goods at. And so again, I give them a lot of credit. I will tell you we have a challenge Down the road here as we look into probably more like the Q3 where last year we were up against almost an artificial margin bump up based on what had happened in the country during the COVID shutdown.
And so there might be a little bit of a mark on or mark down jeopardy And a window there of a few months, where it's going to be a little more challenging, I think, to show the merchandise margin at these rates. And by the way, I'm talking aside from freight, which has We've gone up everywhere. I'm talking kind of take that out of the equation. But we might have a little challenge there. However, we're so opportunistic, I have faith that we can do better than what we're probably thinking our challenge is there.
I will now let Scott Talk to the margins.
Yes, I think just to read a little what Ernie said on the merchandise margin in the back half. I mean, I think if we compare it to again, as we move, I think the second quarter trying to make comparisons and we feel good As Ernie, the overall merchandise margin, especially if you take freight out of the equation compared to 2 years ago, This Q3 last year where Ernie was comparing to 2021 is really on the mark on and the markdowns. We also had some technical Issues where we had some accruals, which we and both on markdowns and shrink, which we reversed in the back half of the year, which are not a fiscal 2020 issue, but when comparing to last year, our benefits that we saw last year in the back half that we won't repeat.
That's a good point, Scott. So just to clarify, Matt, what I was talking about in the challenge will be against in FY 2021, not against 20 as much.
So, yes, so the other aspect is in terms of Some of the to your flow through, it's hard to isolate, especially when you look at The quarter we just had when you have we have COVID costs, which were still roughly in full force And we can talk about that more, but it would expect those to moderate and Arne can talk about them more as we move through the second quarter and back half of the year. I think what at least at the moment is stubborn and we're still in the middle of assessing like everyone else Our freight costs, but probably compared to both last, well, when we talked 3 months ago and earlier than that, the freight costs are probably going to be stubbornly high at At least for the rest of this year, as we're dealing with the same issues of Driver shortages and rate increases likely to be higher than what we had originally thought. So I think that piece of it It's still going to be persisting. Having said that, we have been I think as Ernie You mentioned we're doing a great job of getting the goods, paying more for it, but we're getting goods.
Our inventories are in good shape and the buyer and our planning and allocation Teams have been allocating those goods and doing a great job as you can see by our sales. On the other hand, the wage costs have been there's been pressure more It's still stubborn in the DCs as we've had a number of our DCs where we've had to wage increase our wage rates. But on the positive side, both in the stores and the DCs, although we have pockets of challenges, we've been able to hire back to our staffing Close to our staffing levels, we need to staff the store, albeit at deleverage compared to prior year. So Again, the positive is we adjust as necessary, but we've been able to staff the stores and the distribution centers to meet the demand. So it's hard to compare with the lost sales in Europe and with the COVID costs exactly what those break points would be on sales At this point.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Lejuez. Your line is open.
Hey, thanks guys. I want to talk about Marmaxx specifically. Sales were up about $800,000,000 or Like 14.5% versus the Q1 of 2019 or you call it 2020, but margins are down 130 basis points. So I'm just curious if you can talk specifically within that business, how the deleverage, where that's Coming from and what sort of increases you might need to see versus 2019 for margins to stabilize? Or Is there some point in the year where you see the pressure points abating on that margin?
Thanks.
Yes. Again, I can certainly answer to the Q1. Well, the Q2 goes back to what how COVID costs, how we drop, how those decrease, What costs we have to see what costs and Ernie can talk a little about this on in terms of how much apparel Sales and how that relates to expenses in average retail.
So, but COVID cost Is a big reason for the deleverage as well as others. But
Yes. The COVID cost alone, to Ernie's point, in and of itself was more than the delta of the 130 Right.
That's what
I would say. But I don't want to be straightforward on that. We obviously would have leveraged and did leverage on those sales, But net net, those 2 kind of watched each other and then the rest has to do with which could get better again in the back half that you're having to do with Our average retails were down, but they did get better as we move through the quarter as our apparel sales started to Improve and also our and the rest of the deleverage was just due to our distribution center and wage Costs. So the primary difference, I would say they have more or less offset each other was the COVID costs and the leverage and then we still had De leverage of wage and the DC expenses.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Kimberly Greenberger. Your line is open.
Okay, great. Thank you so much. Scott, I wanted to just talk a little bit about what's going on at international. When I look at the profit swing here in the Q1 compared to 2 years ago, it's about a $250,000,000 Negative profit swing from that $28,000,000 operating income 2 years ago to the $222,000,000 loss here this quarter. And if I if there's a reason to believe that international, once it reopens and sort of gets back to normal in the future, If it goes back to calendar year 2019 profitability, it would suggest that actually Operating income in aggregate here in the Q1 would have been up about 10% from 2 years ago.
And that's even with all the COVID costs in there and all the freight inflation and the wages and everything else. So I'm just it looks like The weight in the P and L here in Q1, if I look at it from a different angle, is really coming from that international piece and Sort of everything else kind of came out in the wash and delivered pretty nice Profit growth, if we sort of take that out. So to me, it looks like you're probably offsetting A lot of that, a lot of those cost pressures, am I correct in that assumption? And as we move through the year and those COVID costs Start to come off. Does that mean that actually margins could get back to and maybe above where you were sitting in calendar year 2019?
Thanks.
Yes. Doug, a lot of hypotheticals there. I think we're looking at the Q1, right, where There was significant the 2 major delevers were the COVID costs and the loss on sales on Europe. Europe and Canada. Europe and Canada.
Yes, with Europe being the bigger piece of that. So that is correct. As you would expect, you would offset A good chunk of that on the high average comps that we did get. And then again, but the reason why we still would go down is you still have higher than normal Cost increases both in the wage and the freight and the fee. So not all of that will go away in the back half.
So we're not giving guidance, but I think as we've said before, obviously, we don't know what the sales level, how high they could be, but You would expect us not at this point still to be reaching due to some level of COVID costs and some of it is deleverage To be with the freight to be reaching the percent of fiscal 2020 Or calendar 2019.
So Kimberly, at a high level, the way you said that is the way that I'm look you can look at it that way this quarter though that if you had If we had had Europe and Canada on it, we would have had a lot going to wash the differences and Scott mentioned this, we had Such an overachievement on the sales that I mean you'd have to be counting on Dean open only comp sales and when the rest of Europe if we have those type of comp sales, yes, we'd have a different discussion where maybe the margin is back to more like those levels. But that you'd have to have these way outpaced concepts like we just did. Now to your other point though, and Scott mentioned it, Daniel, we are looking at the COVID costs as Something we can take a hard look at here in the near future as we move ahead each quarter and as the environment normalizes, We're going to make some improvements on those lines. So that will help. So I hope that answered.
I hope that answered. We do believe there's sales all along. And another plus we have on the cost line is our average retail has been moderating. Scott, I think started to allude to this. As we go forward even into the back half, we're looking like it's going to moderate even more because we're seeing some more best brands goods Coming in on order as we get to Q3, which is going to help our average ticket and that should help our expense On processing, come down a little bit.
So Very good question. A lot of moving parts.
Great color. Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Trussell. Your line is open.
Good morning. My congrats as well on the improvement. I wanted to dig in a bit more on the top line And maybe you can discuss a bit more of what you're seeing in terms of category standouts. And in particular, is there any sight of the strength in home decelerating? And would love to hear more about your ability to really stay in stock and to what extent you're really out needing to Case product in the marketplace to keep up with this robust demand.
Yes. No, great, Paul. So standout categories, I start with the most obvious one, which is our Home business It's remarkably consistent. As I said in the script, I mean you're looking at 40 comps kind of what we did in the Q1. And again that Basically was where we were in every division, even in the full family stores in the TJ Maxx, the Marshalls, up in Canada, Home So remarkable consistency.
And the neat thing there is we have a lot of broad based Just to interrupt our entire home business, so whether it's big ticket areas like whether it's furnitures or rugs There were decorative accessories, everything was good. There wasn't really one category. And this is where I give our teams planning and allocation And this is not just in the home area. Our buying teams, our planning allocation teams have been getting the goods, Fueling it so that the second part of your question was the deceleration in home. We have really not Gene, I don't think we're going to expect it to stay at that almost artificially high level that it did in the Q1, but I think we have opportunity over the next quarter to stay up in the realm pretty close to that.
And we're not having a problem in the home area, stock staying in stock, which was the third part of your question. And we're not actually having a problem where apparel has now started to improve for us. Paul, I think you're asking what else is standing out. So we have a Handful of apparel categories, which I won't give the specifics on which ones, but they are really kicking in as the quarter went on and Going into the Q2 and the nice thing that often happens is when the weather shifts and apparel kicks in, if there was a trend line prior, usually our home business Takes more of a hit where the consumer moves off of home for a little bit. And yes, again, our home is going at 40 comps, but it did not move off hardly at all.
And our apparel just kicked in and that's one reason You're seeing these outpaced comps from us really at this Q1. Chasing product, flow of product It has been a non issue. I say it's a non issue because the teams have really executed so well And they're working so and I give logistics credit. I give really everybody involved Credit to keep fuel. It's not easy to keep fueling a 16 comp.
And that's why I liked your question when you asked Because it is an unusual time for us to be running an open only 16 comps. And I just, again, give a Credit to all the TJX associates that are involved in that because they're making it happen. They have us positioned going into the Q2 every bit as well as we were in the Q1. Hopefully, I answered your question.
Yes. Well, kudos to the team. Thank you for the color and best of luck.
Thank you, Paul.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Ike Boruchow. Your line is open.
Hey, everyone. Let me add my congrats. Scott, two questions for you on the cost structure and COVID costs. Dollars 200,000,000 I think you said this quarter, which is down from $2.70 a quarter, which is what you're seeing in the back half. What's your expectation for that over the remainder of the year?
I assume that there should be less costs And the model given the reopening and vaccinations, but kind of curious your thoughts there. And then, my rough math is that your SG and A per Store, if I excluded that COVID cost, is actually below where it was 2 years ago. Are you just are there things you're doing to run the store leaner? Are there Costs you've taken out, do you think are sustainable once we kind of normalize? Just kind of curious how you talk about the cost structure on a per store basis?
Yes, great question. In terms of the COVID cost, We would right now, we'd expect them to be coming down in the Q2 slightly. And but I think as Ernie said, we're going Evaluate that based on the environment and that we would be expecting them to be coming down substantially in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
And to your point, Ike, as the world More normalizes. What we've been trying to do is keep associate and customer safety still. I guess we've looked at some of our and we've talked about this. We have the greeters at the front of our stores, which have It's created a cost, but it's also created a customer service improvement perception and a safety, which is why We do believe that some of those extra costs have allowed us to play offense to actually drive our sales ironically. And so we are going to ease our way off and not just do a pendulum swing quick move because we believe it's been helping our top line.
However, we know we need to moderate on that, and we will do it just like Scott said, and we're going to take a hard look, especially as you get to the Q3 and Q4. So hopefully that I just want to give you some color on why we aren't going to necessarily move off it as fast because It's been a top line driver.
In terms of your question on SG and A, I'd actually have to get back to you in terms of We're up about 4% on a per store basis versus 20%. But this quarter is a little difficult. I have Segregate that out because you don't you have still have a fair number of expenses in Europe and Canada without the typical type of sales that you might expect, and then we had the outside sales In Marmaxx and HomeGoods. So overall, we were up about 4% versus fiscal 2020.
Got it. Thanks guys.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Binetti. Your line is open.
Hey guys, thanks for all the detail and taking our question here. I guess, Scott, just a simple question to try and help me boil all this down. Can you help us think what the SG and A Dollars are for the year and what you think COVID costs are for the year in the budget? And then with all the noise and you laid out the closures, I think as we take the inputs you gave us, you probably excluding the closures would have been about $2,000,000,000 higher on sales versus Q1 fiscal 2020 and then when we add back your $0.21 to $0.24 that you pointed to, which was I think only for the closures, You'd be at about a 9.9% to 10.4% margin in the quarter compared to the 10.1% in Q1 2 years ago. So with that as a starting point, I know you've been asked But with that as a starting point from here, it sounds like the incremental puts and takes all get Sequentially better going forward except for freight, which you said you now got visibility that will be tough.
But as you look at 2Q, 3Q, 4Q, We see the COVID costs coming down, international reopening, some of the AUR tailwinds, some of the mix moving back towards apparel. Am I thinking about that right that if we kind of reorient To the Q1 last year that way that we should see sequential improvement in the underlying margin going forward to the model?
Again, a lot of this will depend I think, again, we're Still evaluating the COVID cost, so not again, not giving up the cost saves other than we expect them to moderate, both in dollars And as a percent sales impact. I think Ernie reiterated On 1, a lot of it is still will depend on the merchandise margin in terms of what our mark on and mark And will be in the level of sales. So again, if we have outsized sales and we're able to Buy better, the real wildcard is freight costs and how high they're going to be in the back half of the year. But we didn't say that a lot of the other cost wins are going to be at least for now the wage and the distribution costs. We're cycling, opening up of both a lot of our facilities and we did a lot we opened up 6 3PLs or just additional What we'll call processing space last year that we're going to go against In the back half and including Lordstown HomeGoods distribution center.
So I don't think our supply chain Wage are going to be levering at this point based on what we know and the wildcards really being merchandise margin freight With COVID going down. So, I think the biggest benefit to us getting better in our overall margins will be How far does COVID get down and what's our level of sales? And if those stay high, then we would expect to go to a higher level of pre tax margin.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jay Sole. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you so much. Ernie, I think in one of your answers to the questions, you Something about sales upside. And I think in the press release you mentioned that you're seeing consumers begin to resume more normal activities. Can you just talk about what the strength in the quarter that you've seen to date?
How much you think is still a tailwind from stimulus? And how much is maybe just reopening consumers Really just getting excited about going out and spend other things and what the implication is for sales upside in Q2 and Q3 as you look out and the potential for sales growth rates remaining, To your point, unusually high.
Yes, great question. Yes, so obviously, when we looked at the Q1 and it's tough to measure, we And get at all that data specifically. We do believe the stimulus checks, etcetera, were part of it and Clearly, a pent up demand issue, right, from people not having shopped. And then we have the something we talked about I think it was in the last call. You do have that revenge shopping aspect that I think comes out where people are passionate and want to get out there and we are entertaining.
So pieces of that, but you have the store closure thing we talked about, which is going on around us. So we believe that, I would say, a chunk of our has not been just the Stimulus and the to the best of our knowledge, we wouldn't be entering the second Quarter with a similar trend, which is why we specifically, when we did the release, we put that last bullet point there, which is, I guess, is a little bit more specific than we normally would on how we start a quarter and why we wanted to say that we are entering it Similarly, so you would understand that the overall stimulus check thing isn't the only thing playing in. It To be some of those other issues in our business model, store closures. By the way, I do believe our business model now resonates more than it even did pre COVID. I think consumers, if However, they have even more so now with all the stress of what's happened in the last year.
They appreciate the treasure hunt entertainment Me time, as I mentioned in the script, me time, they I think our model and the fact that We talked about earlier on the call, we've delivered a lot of exciting merchandise, which plays right into this time period. I think that's The vast majority of why we're getting the sales and to your point, that's why I think there's sales upside as we look out. Yes, you know what I mean. It's not just from the different stimulus government packages that have taken place or we wouldn't be seeing what Seems to be a pretty consistent trend.
I think it goes back to what Ernie said just a couple of questions ago where For the Q3, Q4 and Q1, our home sales were disproportionately Benefiting us or the biggest piece of helping us out, but the home sales now have continued to be strong and what's driving it as the apparel Sales have gone up from the Q4 and as we've moved and continued to be strong to be a big benefit as we've moved through Up until as we speak today. So the stimulus, as Ernie said, was as best we can term was more of a March, April factor, probably waning as best we can determine, but now it has to do with the wardrobe people, but they didn't buy a lot of They didn't buy a lot of apparel last year in the 1st and second quarter, and that's, I think, contributing to our strength right now.
So Jade, to add one other thing in terms of market share gain as I look out here, through the really through the balance of the year is one of the advantages We continue to have in this home business and we learned to even improve on it is the way we learned to some of the merchants, a lot of merchants learned to work virtually In a very effective manner. And our Home division has a as I mentioned, we have over 500 Plus buyers in our Home division that have collaborated just beyond even what we did before, as well as we have satellite offices For not just home, that are overseas that are now buying more merchandise for us than they did before. So when you I feel we can continue to actually now drive an even more eclectic mix of home, which has the advantage that the Consumer can buy it that day. If it's a piece of furniture, they can try it and buy it. I mean think about all the delivery issues that have taken place or So that's all an added plus.
So in addition to the apparel thing Scott was talking about as well as some other that are hot categories in the industry, Such as the beauty business, we have I give that team a lot of credit. We've really been doing a nice job. They collaborate strongly across division. And again, some of the learnings that have taken place, I think we're going to have a slight bit of advantage over what we did pre COVID and the way we're able to flex and leverage all the different divisions' merchant knowledge. So I know long way, but that's a whole other piece that is making us feel even better about the future.
Yes. And one thing we said when we Generally running well is the both at HomeGoods and Marmaxx, the consistency of the sales regionally, The consistency of the sales based on household income as best we can determine the consistency in terms of the age of our stores. Our Stores whether it's at HomeGoods and Marmaxx that are over 10 years and depending even going up as old as 2030 Are doing significant comps. So it's that broad based sales that we're doing. And then the good news is At HomeGoods, almost all our stores in the Marmaxx, the 90 plus percent where our stores are in the suburban, exurban and rural areas, that's where Our stores are located in so there's strong strength across all of those three areas.
And the one area that's Not doing as well would be the urban stores, but we just don't have that many of them.
Got it. Thank you for all the detail.
Thank you.
Thank you. And our last question comes from John Kernan. Your line is open.
Hey, congrats on managing through the quarter and congrats on the top line momentum. Thank you. Has the guidance for freight and supply chain costs gotten worse since you gave the Q4 outlook on the Q4? I think it was 50 to 60 basis points of pressure off of the calendar fiscal 2020 year. Has that gotten worse?
And then when we think about the leverage point In the model and the COVID costs continue to come out of SG and A, what do you think is the comp Leverage point, is it 4% to 5% in the model? How do we think about getting back to that 10.6% operating margin from fiscal 2020?
Yes. We had again, we have too we've been saying this for the last down more than ever in COVID, too many puts and takes To get at this point what the breakeven in terms of getting back to the margins. We expect our margins To get better as we move into the back half and we would expect them to get significantly better next year To be you will have to see what level our sales get to in the back half, and then what how some of these costs on freight and supply chain And wage pressure to determine what level of margin we're going to actually settle in at. But other than we expect both The back half, but certainly next year to be going up significantly in our pre tax margins. In terms of freight, yes, in terms of just even versus 3 months ago, we would expect we're not finalized at this point, But we certainly expect freight costs to persist and would be higher than what we would have anticipated 3 months ago.
Got it. So worse than the 60 to 70 basis points of credit card.
If you never
gave, I don't remember giving out the basis points, but we would be worse. It would, yes, be worse than what we would have thought.
If you look, John, around the industry, it's just the freight Rates continue to escalate. Okay. I believe that was our last call. I would like to thank you all for joining us today. We'll be updating you again on our Q2 earnings call in August.
And from the team here at TJX, we hope you all stay well, and we wish you good health. Take care.
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