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Earnings Call: Q4 2017

Feb 15, 2018

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Targa Resources Corp Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star then zero on your touch-tone telephone. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I now turn the conference over to Sanjay Lad, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Sanjay Lad
Director of Investor Relations, Targa Resources

Thank you, Candace. Good morning, and welcome to the fourth quarter 2017 earnings call for Targa Resources Corp. The fourth quarter earnings release for Targa Resources Corp, Targa, TRC or the company, along with the fourth quarter earnings supplement presentation are available on the investor section of our website at www.targaresources.com. In addition, an updated investor presentation has also been posted to our website. Any statements made during this call that might include the company's expectations or predictions should be considered forward-looking statements and are covered by the safe harbor provision of the Securities Act of 1933 and 1934. Please note that actual results could differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement.

For a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to our recent SEC filings, including the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2016, and subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Joe Bob Perkins, Targa's Chief Executive Officer.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

That Mr. Joe Bob Perkins was not in the script. Thanks, Sanjay. Good morning, thank you to everyone for joining. At the beginning of this month, you probably noticed that we announced some executive leadership promotions reflecting the significant leadership capabilities within the company and the increasing leadership roles that these individuals have continued to take on at Targa. Although their official new title date is March 1, they're really acting in those roles today and on this call. Today, I'm going to begin the call with a strategic update. I'll then turn it over to Matt Meloy, our new President, who will give an update on commercial developments and business fundamentals. Jen Kneale, our new CFO, will discuss fourth quarter 2017 results and present our financial and operational expectations for 2018.

We're also joined in the room by Pat McDonie, newly promoted President of our Gathering and Processing segment, Scott Pryor, promoted to President of our Logistics and Marketing segment, and Robert Muraro, our new Chief Commercial Officer, and Robert wants you to call him Bobby. We will collectively handle Q&A. The investor and industry feedback since the announcement of the promotions has been very positive. We have a very talented team. These individuals and their teams working very well together. 2017 was one of our busiest years at Targa, and what will potentially be viewed as another transformational year for the company.

Over the course of 2017, we added approximately 325 million cubic feet per day of incremental natural gas processing capacity, approved and began construction on another 710 million cubic feet per day of incremental processing capacity additions, acquired under an earn out structure and quickly integrated additional Delaware and Midland Basin midstream assets, commercialized and started construction on our 300,000 barrel per day Grand Prix NGL pipeline, entered into a strategic joint venture with Blackstone for Grand Prix, secured a long-term NGL dedication and commitment from EagleClaw, and also continued to secure incremental third-party commitments to transport volumes on Grand Prix.

We acquired the Flag City assets and related commercial contracts from Boardwalk Pipeline Partners in South Texas, executed definitive agreements with Kinder Morgan and DCP Midstream to jointly develop the Gulf Coast Express pipeline, raised $1.6 billion of equity and $750 million of debt over the course of the year. Targa ensured the continued safe operations of our facilities for our customers and for our shareholders with heroic individual efforts by some of our employees to mitigate the impact of the tropical storms we experienced on the Gulf Coast this fall. 2017 was a busy and impactful year.

Now, we're only one and a half months into 2018, and we have already announced the formation of a 50/50 joint venture with Hess Midstream to construct a new 200 million cubic feet per day processing plant in the Bakken, enhanced our Centrahoma joint venture with MPLX in Oklahoma, and are adding processing capacity with the Flag City plant relocated from South Texas to Oklahoma, announced construction of two new 250 million cubic feet per day processing plants in the Midland Basin, announced a new 100,000 barrel per day fractionator connected to our Mont Belvieu complex, created and announced an innovative development company joint ventures, our so-called DevCos, that provided $190 million of capital reimbursement at closing and total potential capital savings of up to about $960 million. We have continued executing on the 2017 and 2018 projects announced to date.

So far, 2018 activity has been on a similar pace to 2017. I don't see any signs of it slowing down. Our activity levels and execution in 2017 and year-to-date 2018 support our key strategic initiatives, including, number one, to invest in our businesses, investing in attractive projects that leverage our existing infrastructure and further strengthen our competitive advantage. Number two, to proactively finance our growth program underway and to maintain balance sheet strength and flexibility. Number three, to continue to identify additional opportunities to further integrate, strengthen, and grow our asset base to further enhance an attractive long-term outlook. From where we sit today, the long-term outlook for Targa is better than ever. Better than ever because of excellent execution and because opportunities that we are seeing around our gathering and processing and our downstream assets are robust.

Our focus remains on execution and continuing to provide best-in-class midstream service to our customers. For Targa, 2018 will look a lot like 2017 in many ways, as we expect to spend at least another $1.6 billion of net growth CapEx on investment opportunities. We are still a year or more away from some of our key projects, like Grand Prix, coming online and contributing to EBITDA. Our current investment cycle positions us for significant visible EBITDA growth in 2019 and beyond, which is why this is a very exciting time at Targa. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Matt. Matt will provide an update around the execution of our strategic priorities and an update on our business fundamentals. Matt?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Thanks, Joe Bob. Good morning, everyone. Commercial activity and production in many of our operating regions continues to increase. We expect this positive trend to continue through to 2018 and beyond. Overall, 2017 inlet volumes in the Permian increased 19% over the previous year. Our fourth quarter Permian inlet volumes increased an average of 300 million cubic feet per day over the fourth quarter of 2016 and would've been even higher, but we temporarily offloaded an average of about 30 million cubic feet per day to third-party processors in the fourth quarter, given system capacity constraints that will be improved when the Joyce plant comes online. Inlet volumes for 2017 total field gathering and processing increased 7% over 2016's average. This growth was slightly less than our guidance as a result of steeper volume declines in North Texas and West Oak and the fourth quarter Permian offload.

Back to the Permian, we continue to execute on our growth program. We remain on track to add an incremental 710 million cubic feet per day of new processing capacity in 2018. In the Delaware, we expect to begin operations on our 60 million cubic feet per day Oahu plant later this month. Construction continues on our 250 million cubic feet per day Wildcat plant, which is expected to begin operations in the second quarter of 2018. These plants are interconnected with multiple other plants and systems across the Delaware and Central basins. In Permian Midland, production growth continues at a rapid pace. We are currently running some of our West Texas facilities above nameplate capacity to meet the processing needs of our customers. We have been offloading to other third-party midstream providers.

Our 200 million cubic feet per day Joyce plant is expected to be operational in late March. While providing some much-needed system relief, we expect the Joyce plant essentially will be full from the first day of operations. Our expectations for our 200 million cubic feet per day Johnson plant are similar. It is anticipated to begin service in the third quarter and is also expected to be highly utilized when it comes online. We announced publicly a couple of weeks ago that as a result of the production trends that we're experiencing and continued production growth forecast from our customers, we are moving forward with construction of two new 250 million cubic feet per day cryo plants in the Permian Midland. The first plant will begin operations in the first quarter of 2019, and the second plant in the third quarter of 2019.

Similar to our other plants currently under construction, these plants will be interconnected with multiple other plants and systems. Based on all the Midland Basin trends and forecasts that we are seeing from our producers and from the broader industry, we expect to add future processing capacity beyond these announced plants. Volumes from our newly announced Targa plants will be transported on Grand Prix to our fractionation assets and LPG export facility in Mont Belvieu, which means substantial organic growth across Targa's integrated footprint. Moving to our Oklahoma assets, our outlook is generally improving as we benefit from continued commercial success. The expansion of our Centrahoma JV with MPLX includes the addition of another 150 million cubic feet per day of capacity with our relocated Flag City plant becoming the Hickory Hills plant, which will support growing natural gas production from the Arkoma Woodford Basin.

The Hickory Hills plant is expected to begin operations in the fourth quarter of 2018. Similarly, in the Bakken, our outlook continues to strengthen as activity continues on our dedicated acreage and as we benefit from volumes from our producers' pad drilling. Given our forecast for production growth on our dedicated acreage and other activity in the area, we are very pleased to enter into a 50/50 JV with Hess Midstream to construct a 200 million cubic feet per day plant at our existing Little Missouri facility to help meet our and Hess' growing processing needs. We have also executed an agreement for NGL takeaway with ONEOK. That agreement will also allow us to direct growing volumes from our Bakken assets to our fractionation footprint in Mont Belvieu.

This is another example of our continuing focus to integrate our G&P volumes through our downstream assets. Continuing more broadly in our downstream business, the long-term outlook for our logistics and marketing continues to strengthen as we are well-positioned to benefit from strong supply and demand fundamentals. First, higher field G&P inlet volumes are driving higher fractionation volumes. We expect this trend to continue in 2018 and beyond. Adjusting fourth quarter volumes for the shift related to the impact from Hurricane Harvey, we saw an average increase of 115,000 barrels per day of Y-grade volumes available for fractionation when compared to the fourth quarter of 2016. Additionally, we are also seeing a trend of more ethane recovery in the Permian and Mid-Continent regions, which is driving higher fractionation volumes.

New Gulf Coast petrochemical demand supports a positive ethane frac spread, which may result in higher fractionation volumes for Targa over time. The U.S. had approximately 150,000 barrels per day of new petrochemical industry ethane demand commence operations in late 2017. We expect an incremental 300,000 barrels per day by the end of 2018 and additional growth in 2019 and beyond, with the vast majority of the expansions and new builds located along the Gulf Coast. Likely as a result of the factors just mentioned, we are currently seeing some tightness in the fractionation market in Mont Belvieu, with demand for long-term contracts increasing. We have also continued to add third-party contracts for both transportation and fractionation services. As a result, we are moving forward with construction of an additional fractionation train in Mont Belvieu.

The fractionation tower and pipelines into and out of the tower will be owned 100% by the fractionation DevCo, with an estimated cost of approximately $270 million, and Targa will fund 20% under the DevCo structure. Targa will fund 100% of the cost, or approximately $80 million, associated with the other infrastructure required for the additional fractionation train that is interwoven across our Mont Belvieu footprint. We also recently submitted permitting for additional fractionation in Mont Belvieu to proactively prepare for expected future NGL volume growth. Shifting to our LPG export business, our long-term outlook is largely unchanged. We have an attractive multi-year contract position. Higher propane prices in the U.S. in the fourth quarter and early 2018 have not slowed the amount of propane and butanes leaving the dock, and interest in multi-year contracts continues.

The long-term fundamentals remain robust for U.S. LPG exporters, driven by international LPG demand growth and continued strength in growing LPG supply from the U.S. We currently have the most flexible export facility on the Gulf Coast, with the ability to load multiple products and vessel sizes, and we continue to work to further enhance our capabilities and flexibility to meet customer demand. Ongoing enhancements include rebuilding and upgrading our oldest dock and adding infrastructure at Mont Belvieu and Galena Park, including a new pipeline between Mont Belvieu and Galena Park to improve load rate efficiency, especially related to the export of butane. These enhancements give us additional capability to export more LPG volumes, depending upon vessel size and product mix.

These enhancements have been staged for minimal impact to Targa's operational capacity at Galena Park during the dock rebuild, which is concentrated during the second and third quarters this year, and no impact on our ability to meet our contractual obligations. The capital cost associated with these improvements is already included in our $1.6 billion of net growth CapEx, and we expect that these projects will be fully completed during the second quarter of 2019. Moving on to our Grand Prix pipeline. This asset is a game changer for Targa over the long term as it provides significant and increasing fee-based earnings, reduces our reliance and obligation to third-party pipelines, and helps direct incremental volumes to Targa's downstream facilities.

Our outlook for Grand Prix continues to strengthen as a result of our commercial success, securing incremental third-party volumes for both transportation and fractionation, increasing G&P volume outlook driving additional plants across our footprint. Construction of Grand Prix continues, we expect the pipeline to be fully operational in the second quarter of 2019. At our Channelview Terminal, we expect our 35,000 barrel per day crude and condensate splitter to be completed in the second quarter of 2018. As many of you are aware, our splitter is underpinned by a long-term fee-based contract with Vitol after they completed their acquisition of Noble Americas in January. We look forward to a continued relationship with Vitol. With that, I will now turn the call over to Jen to discuss Targa's results for the fourth quarter and our operational and financial expectations for 2018.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Targa's reported adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $328 million, which was 10% higher than the same period in 2016. Continued strong volume growth in Permian G&P, complemented by higher volumes in Badlands, South Texas, and South Ok, along with higher commodity prices and higher fractionation volumes, drove the increase in adjusted EBITDA over the prior year, offset by declining West Oak and North Texas volumes. Reported net maintenance CapEx was $27 million in the fourth quarter of 2017 compared to $28 million in the fourth quarter of 2016. Total net maintenance CapEx for full year 2017 was $99 million. Distributable cash flow for the fourth quarter was $275 million, resulting in dividend coverage of 1.24 times, consistent with our expectation that dividend coverage would be highest in the fourth quarter.

For full year 2017, adjusted EBITDA of $1.14 billion increased 7% over 2016, exceeded our previously communicated full-year adjusted EBITDA guidance of $1.13 billion. Full-year dividend coverage was approximately one times, as anticipated. Moving to our sequential results, adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter increased 19% over the third quarter. In our gathering and processing segment, operating margin increased by $36 million in the fourth quarter when compared to the third quarter, primarily due to higher NGL prices and higher inlet volumes in the Permian, Badlands, South Texas, and South Oak. Fourth quarter Permian inlet volumes sequentially increased 4% from growth in each of our Permian Midland and Permian Delaware systems, as Matt mentioned, volumes would have been higher pro forma for offloaded volumes. Inlet volumes in South Texas sequentially increased 11% as we benefited from higher volumes from Sanchez through the Raptor plant.

In the Bakken, Badlands crude oil gathered volumes were approximately 120,000 barrels per day in the fourth quarter, increasing 10% over the third quarter. Fourth quarter natural gas volumes increased by approximately 9% over the third quarter. Volumes also sequentially increased in South Oak as incremental scoop volumes offset legacy production declines. Permian crude volumes gathered in the fourth quarter were approximately 45,000 barrels per day. In our logistics and marketing segment, operating margin increased $38 million in the fourth quarter when compared to the third quarter. As estimated, approximately $7 million of operating margin in our downstream segment shifted into the fourth quarter as a result of temporary operational disruptions related to the impacts of Hurricane Harvey.

Strong volume growth in Permian G&P predominantly drove fourth-quarter fractionation volumes to average 443,000 barrels per day, including 29,000 barrels per day that shifted into the fourth quarter as a result of the impact of Hurricane Harvey. LPG export volumes were also strong in the fourth quarter, as we averaged 6.4 million barrels per month of exports at Galena Park, including about 380,000 barrels per month that were attributable to cargoes that were deferred into the fourth quarter, again, as a result of the impact of Hurricane Harvey. Overall operating expenses during the fourth quarter in both our G&P and downstream segments were essentially flat to the third quarter, despite increasing volumes. Full-year 2017 average fractionation volumes increased 15% over average 2016, and average 2017 LPG export volumes of 5.6 million barrels per month were roughly in line with average 2016. Moving now to other finance-related matters.

The reported aggregate fair value of the earn out payments for our Permian acquisition are currently estimated to be about $317 million, with a $7 million payment forecasted for April 2018 and $310 million estimated to be paid in April 2019. During the fourth quarter, we executed additional hedges as we benefited from forward price strengths in certain commodities. For 2018, we estimate that we have hedged approximately 85% of natural gas, 75% of NGLs, and 75% of condensate volumes based on our estimate of current equity volumes from field G&P. Our natural gas hedges include regional basis hedges. For 2019, we estimate that we have hedged approximately 65% of natural gas, 40% of condensate, and 35% of NGL volumes, again, based on our estimate of current equity volumes from field gathering and processing. Our consolidated liquidity as of year-end was approximately $1.9 billion, including approximately $137 million in cash.

On a debt compliance basis, TRP's leverage ratio at the end of the fourth quarter was 3.8 times versus a compliance covenant of 5.5 times. Our consolidated reported debt-to-EBITDA ratio was approximately 4.4 times. Since year-end, we improved our financial position further through execution of the DevCo JVs, which increased our current liquidity to $2.1 billion, given $190 million of proceeds received from Stonepeak at close. The DevCo JVs demonstrate our access to private capital at an attractive cost, and they significantly reduce our equity funding needs for 2018 and also for 2019 while preserving our balance sheet strength and flexibility. Some of the other benefits of the DevCo JV structure include no dilution to Targa's existing shareholders and no reduction in dividend coverage during the construction period.

The flexibility to acquire Stonepeak's interest over four years, beginning at the earlier of the commercial operations date of the final project, currently estimated to be GCX in October 2019 or January 1, 2020. The flexibility to acquire the first 50% of Stonepeak's interest in minimum increments of $100 million and then acquire the remaining 50% in one purchase. We maintain Targa control of the management, construction, and operations of Grand Prix and the additional fractionation train. Finally, we retain the residual upside of the contributed projects for Targa shareholders given the purchase option. To be clear, our base case assumptions are that we will acquire Stonepeak's interest. Let's now turn to our expectations for 2018, which assume NGL composite barrel prices to average $0.67 per gallon, crude oil prices to average $58 per barrel, and natural gas prices to average $2.75 per MMBtu for the year.

Beginning with our G&P segment, we expect total Permian natural gas inlet volumes for 2018 to average between 1.55-1.65 billion cubic feet per day, with the midpoint of the range representing a 25% increase in average 2018 Permian inlet volumes over the 2017 average. We expect Permian inlet volumes to sequentially ramp, with average fourth quarter 2018 inlet volumes being the highest quarter of the year. We also expect average 2018 inlet volumes in SouthOK, SouthTX, and the Badlands to be higher than average 2017. Collectively, we expect total field G&P natural gas inlet volumes for 2018 to average between 3.15-3.35 billion cubic feet per day, with the midpoint of the range representing an 18% increase in average total field G&P inlet volumes over the 2017 average.

We also expect total crude gather volumes in both the Badlands and the Permian to be higher on average in 2018 than average 2017. Downstream, we expect fractionation volumes to significantly increase year-over-year, largely driven by growth in Permian G&P volumes. While ultimately we expect that increasing Permian volumes for Targa and others will be constructive for additional LPG exports, our financial expectations for 2018 only include currently contracted volumes. We expect more than contracted volumes, but our overall guidance, again, only includes those that are contracted. We expect full year 2018 adjusted EBITDA to be between $1.225 billion-$1.325 billion, with the midpoint of the range representing a 12% increase over 2017 adjusted EBITDA. Similar to 2017, we expect full year 2018 dividend coverage to be about one times, assuming a flat $3.64 annual dividend.

We expect 2018 quarterly adjusted EBITDA to increase sequentially, with fourth quarter 2018 adjusted EBITDA and fourth quarter dividend coverage being the highest for the year. First quarter adjusted EBITDA is expected to be the lowest, as our volumes are expected to ramp throughout 2018 and because we are also impacted by freeze-offs in January. As announced recently in pro forma for the DevCo JVs, our current 2018 net growth CapEx estimate is approximately $1.6 billion, and it is reasonable to assume that 2018 CapEx will be higher than that as we move through the year and continue to execute commercially. Full year 2018 maintenance CapEx is forecasted to be approximately $120 million. Given the financing steps that we took in 2017 and the steps that we have already taken in 2018, we believe that our remaining financing needs for 2018 are very manageable.

In 2017, we over-equitized when we announced the Permian acquisition and also when we announced Grand Prix, and then later reduced our overall capital obligations through our Grand Prix strategic JV with Blackstone. Our recent execution of the DevCo JVs will provide approximately $550 million of capital in 2018 and additional significant capital savings in 2019. We announced two strategic JVs in January with Hess Midstream and MPLX that also resulted in Targa being reimbursed for capital already spent and reduced our funding obligations for the assets under construction going forward. We continue to evaluate and have opportunities for asset sales, additional asset and/or development joint ventures, preferred equity and common equity. We of course, also consider other alternatives, including utilizing more leverage than a 50/50 debt equity capital funding model, given our current balance sheet strength and visibility to increasing EBITDA in the future.

I will turn the call back over to Joe Bob.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Jen. Thank you, Matt. I'm sure that the listeners can tell that there's a lot of enthusiasm and positive momentum for our Targa team right now. Enthusiasm and momentum, as exemplified by our comments, demonstrated by recent commercial traction and financial creativity, and supported by strong business fundamentals and the strong volume trends in both our gathering and processing and downstream segments. The capital program that we have underway is expected to generate significant cash flow growth when the assets are operational. We expect to continue to fund our CapEx, to maintain balance sheet strength and flexibility, and to maximize long-term shareholder returns. Our outlook will continue to strengthen, enhanced by stronger fundamentals and continued commercial and operational execution. The longer-term outlook that we provided last June is better today for 2021.

Since providing that outlook, we have announced additional commercial success and announced additional growth projects from our project backlog. We are well positioned to continue to outperform that EBITDA growth outlook on multiple dimensions as we move through time. For example, any commercial execution is accretive to that forecast. We assumed no growth wedge over that time frame. We assumed no additional gathering and processing contracts. We assumed no additional LPG export contracts.

We assumed less growth projects than we have in progress today. In closing, our team at Targa remains focused on continuing to execute on our long-term strategic objectives, and we are very excited about Targa's strong long-term outlook. With that, operator, please open up the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen on the phone lines, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star and then the number 1 key on your touch-tone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Our first question comes from Colton Bean of Tudor, Pickering Holt. Your line is now open.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Good morning. Just wanted to start it off on the LPG export side of things. You mentioned a bit of the dock enhancement work, and I apologize if I missed this, but did you guys quantify what impacts that may have to nameplate capacity?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah, we did. Hi, this is Matt here. I'll take a stab at this. We did talk quite a bit about whether we should be increasing the nameplate or effective capacity. In our previous presentations, we showed nameplate capacity of effectively nine, but said our effective operational capacity was seven million barrels a month. What this project is going to do is it's going to add flexibility for us to load butanes at a faster rate. It really depends on the product demand from the customers, whether it's more propane or butane, and then refurbishing the dock or really redoing the dock and upgrading the dock will allow us to have more flexibility on what ships we can load out of there. It really depends on the vessel size demand and the demand for the product.

We think we could likely do more than the seven, so maybe it's a seven plus, but we aren't going to try and quantify exactly what that could be because it is so dependent on customer demand.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Okay.

Scott Pryor
President, Logistics and Transportation, Targa Resources

Yeah, the only thing I would add. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Colton, that's Scott Pryor trying to add on to the answer.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Yeah, please.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

We won't cut you off. Go ahead, Scott.

Scott Pryor
President, Logistics and Transportation, Targa Resources

What I was going to add to that is, obviously our customers have grown to expect a high service level from us. This is a way for us to continue that level of service and flexibility at our dock. The enhancements to that particular dock, as Matt mentioned in his prepared remarks, it is one of our older docks, and coming back in and repairing it, doing some things to upgrade loading arms improves the efficiency of that. The items that we've chosen to upgrade at our Belvieu facility to debottleneck our ability to move butanes quicker will help us, and provide efficiencies at the dock as well.

The other thing I would remind you of is that when we look out into the forecast, and obviously the growing market that we've got behind our gas processing plants and then the global demand that's out there, much of that global demand is both a complement of propane and butanes. This will provide us opportunities again to be more flexible and more serviceable to our customers.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

That's helpful. I guess just to follow through on that, given the growth that you guys see on the NGL production front, is there kind of rough parameters that you would need to see to ultimately expand dock capacity either closer to that nine or even beyond that? Whether it be in terms of loading rates or volume commitments, just any sort of parameters that you guys might need to see to take a more dramatic expansion project on.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

I think the way we're thinking about it is we're doing some of these enhancements at the dock and adding the pipeline to position us for that future growth. I think we're already working on some of those things because the fundamentals are so strong.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Got it. Thanks.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

We've also included the amount of capital for that project within our $1.6 billion net CapEx number that we gave you. This work was kind of already going on. We're always looking for ways to improve our dock efficiency and be able to improve the capacity of our facilities.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Understood. I guess just to continue on the NGL side of things, this may be a bit premature, but any sort of ballpark estimates on what capital needs may be if you guys were to choose to go ahead and add pump stations to Grand Prix to bring that up to full design capacity?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

This is Joe Bob. We haven't described the incremental required to go from nominally 300,000 barrels a day to 550,000 barrels a day or more. I think we have been quoted multiple times as saying it's pretty marginal. Pumps don't cost very much. We already know where they need to be placed, and it's rounding error, frankly, for your modeling.

Colton Bean
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Okay. Got it. I think I'll leave it there. Appreciate the time.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vikram Bagri of Citi. Your line is now open.

Vikram Bagri
Analyst, Citi

Hi. Good morning, everyone, congratulations for the recent promotions.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Thank you. Good morning.

Vikram Bagri
Analyst, Citi

My first question is on the guidance you provided this morning. What are the drivers behind high and low end of the guidance? Is high end driven by higher dock utilization largely? How much of the upside is from G&P volumes, Permian surprising to the upside, and so forth?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

I think ultimately the guidance is really going to be driven by what we see from volumes, really across our footprints, if you think about the growth that we're expecting to experience, not only in the Permian, but also in some of our other systems. That's certainly part of it. Obviously, the high end to the low end could be impacted by commodity prices. It also could be impacted by just continued commercial execution, particularly when we think about the LPG export business, where we've essentially said that we're assuming that we do not move one additional cargo across the dock beyond what is contracted today. I'd certainly take the over on that. I think those are some of the factors that ultimately will impact where we shake out, either in the range or above the range.

It's largely growth on the Permian and elsewhere in field and how that's going to translate to frac growth downstream.

Vikram Bagri
Analyst, Citi

Great. A question on Mont Belvieu. I apologize, I missed that. The frac volumes were much higher than we expected. How much of the total volumes reported were one-time volumes that were shifted from third quarter to fourth quarter?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah. We have that in the supplemental presentations in our script. 29,000 barrels moved into Q4 essentially from Q3.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

29,000 barrels per day.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah. 29,000 barrels per day.

Vikram Bagri
Analyst, Citi

Thank you. Okay. Just lastly, on the Stonepeak transaction. We have much more clarity on Grand Prix Pipeline than we did seven or eight months ago. The threshold for someone to participate in the project at this stage I understand was high. I was wondering how did you decide what assets to contribute and how much of the assets to contribute to the JV? Did you have a number in mind in terms of capital you wanted to raise from the transaction and more predictable but lower return projects were contributed first, then remainder of the capital was raised by contributing Grand Prix Pipeline?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

I think that ultimately this was a structure that we put together and our thinking was driven by a number of different factors in terms of how we wanted to think about cost and some of the flexibility around what we were looking for in the structure. Basically, the structure serves as a bridge for us between for 2018 and 2019, while we're in this period of high capital spend before we're really benefiting from significantly ramping EBITDA. When we looked across our platform of assets, we were really trying to identify, honestly, assets that we thought would be most attractive to the capital providers that we have been talking to over the last many months, to really structure something that was as cost-efficient as possible.

When you think about the projects that we dropped in, they're relatively easy projects to sort of cordon off and be able to track the cash flows associated with them, and I think that's important. If you think about the fractionation, we basically have dropped the tower and the pipelines in and out of the tower into the DevCo, and we removed some of the noise that would've been created if we'd dropped in in some of the storage and other things that are very much interwoven with the rest of our footprint. We try to be very thoughtful around that. Obviously, these are fee-based assets, attractive, they're supported by take or pay. That had a lot to do with it as well. There were a lot of different factors that sort of went into ultimately what assets got dropped in.

Vikram Bagri
Analyst, Citi

Thank you very much. That's all I have.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Shneur Gershuni of UBS. Your line is now open.

Shneur Gershuni
Analyst, UBS

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Good morning.

Shneur Gershuni
Analyst, UBS

I just wanted to start off, I guess, with Joe Bob, your closing remarks. You talked about kind of the five-year plan that you had laid out, and that there have been some incremental opportunities, be it Gulf Coast Express and so forth. When we sort of think about sensitizing the upside potential of that, are we talking something like north of 10% or 15%, versus kind of how you were thinking about the end of the five-year plan, or is it more in the sub 10% or sub 5% range?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Joe Bob's definitely taking the over on what we put out there in June. How much over is a function of how successful we continue to be on the projects that we've already announced and the work that's going on that hasn't been announced. I feel really good about it. You should not be marginalizing the small percentage above that I was implying, and I don't think we're going to stop working on making it even better. For a continuing outlook of the pricing that we put into that and the activity levels, without giving you a percentage, I'm a lot more comfortable with something into significant and not something that's essentially insignificant.

Shneur Gershuni
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Fair enough. Just a couple of quick follow-ups. Strategically in 2020, when you roll down the DevCo, or you're able to buy back the assets, strategically, how do you approach it? Do you buy back the expected highest IRR projects first and leave the lower IRR projects to be acquired last? I'm just trying to understand the strategy there. Jen had mentioned that the plan is to obviously buy everything, or does it just all happen at once? I'm just kind of wondering on the cadence and thought process strategically for that.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Sure, Shneur. Structurally, the way it's set up is effectively, Stonepeak can't be left with ownership in one of the single assets. The way it works is, we obviously have the flexibility to call part of the acquired part of the dropdown interest back in $100 million minimum increments. If we do that, it's effectively $100 million across the three projects. We can do that in increments until we get to effectively 50% of Stonepeak's interest remaining, and then we'd have to do that acquisition of the interest in a single bullet.

Shneur Gershuni
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Okay. Appreciate the color there. Finally, with respect to the Outrigger assets, my understanding is that there's an emerging issue with sour gas there. Is that a potential revenue-generating opportunity for Targa where you were able to handle that for them? As you answer that, if that was to be the case, would that be excluded from the earn-out structure if that's an incremental revenue source?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

I'm going to start with yes, then pass it to Pat McDonie for more color. The yes that he's starting with is, it is an incremental and it is excluded. The answer is yes. There is sour gas in and around the Outrigger assets. It's not fully delineated, but there's pockets of very sweet gas, then there's some pretty nasty stuff, then there's some pretty mild stuff. We do have the capabilities to handle sour gas. Honestly, it gives us a competitive advantage as we add incremental acreage and where the sour gas is going to be located gets better defined. We have an AGI well existing in our Central Basin Platform assets, which we connected the Outrigger assets to. We are building the Wildcat plant, which was announced and will be on in April.

With that, we will have sour gas capabilities at that facility and plans to add incremental capabilities at that facility in the future. Yes, it is an income-generating, very nice rate of return capability that we do have. Again, it gives us a competitive advantage to add incremental acreage and volumes.

Robert Muraro
Chief Commercial Officer, Targa Resources

Given the amount of acid gas we've handled in our Versado, legacy Versado and Sandhill systems, we're probably as experienced as anyone in the basin to handle that newly forming acid gas in the Delaware Basin.

Shneur Gershuni
Analyst, UBS

All right, perfect. Thank you very much for the color, guys.

Pat McDonie
President, Gathering and Processing, Targa Resources

Okay, thanks.

Thanks, Shneur.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from T.J. Schultz of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Pat McDonie
President, Gathering and Processing, Targa Resources

Good morning, T.J.

T.J. Schultz
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, thanks.

Hey, good morning. Just first on some of the offloaded volumes that you guys talked about. If you could just repeat some of those volumes, I think in the fourth quarter. I guess more importantly, what impact maybe in the first quarter, and then if after Joyce, is there still going to be a need ahead of Johnson, and any color on what to assume there in your 2018 guidance?

Robert Muraro
Chief Commercial Officer, Targa Resources

Yeah. T.J., just to clarify, it was 30 million a day in the fourth quarter that was impacted and offloaded to other systems. Then I'll turn it over to Pat to give more color.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Yeah. When the Joyce plant comes on, as Matt said in his prepared remarks, it'll be full. Obviously, right now we're operating most of our plants on the WestTex system over nameplate capacity. With that, we have a lot of incremental growth from drilling results from our producer customers. As we look forward as to our offload needs, the initial needs will be done by offloading into our SouthOK system, utilizing Targa-owned facilities to facilitate offloads from the WestTex system. We would expect, as we approach the startup of Johnson, that we're going to be once again in that position where we're above nameplate capacity across most of our facilities. Obviously, Joyce is filled. We'll be reaching the limit as to what we can offload into SouthOK. Johnson will be just in time. We may have to offload some volumes to third parties.

We have the capabilities of doing that. It'll be close. We'll see.

Robert Muraro
Chief Commercial Officer, Targa Resources

If it's not clear to everybody, those are temporary offloads.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Yes.

Robert Muraro
Chief Commercial Officer, Targa Resources

Just getting us to the plant startup and additional capacity, we get those volumes back the first of the very next month.

T.J. Schultz
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Okay. The next question is just on CapEx this year. You're still biased higher just with new projects that are expected to be added. Where is the commercial focus most intensive here that would be additive this year? I guess considering that current guidance, I think, already considers the recent Permian capacity addition announcements, and you mentioned the dock work is already in there.

Robert Muraro
Chief Commercial Officer, Targa Resources

Yeah. The current guidance has our currently expected, currently contracted ramp-up of all assets, I guess you would say. Additional commercial efforts, whether it be on Gathering and Processing, the pipeline or the downstream, will add to those volumes, causing them to ramp up faster. That's all good news.

Operator

Thank you.

T.J. Schultz
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Sighinolfi of Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Hey, guys. It's Corey phoning for Chris.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Hi, Corey.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Sorry.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Hey, guys. I just wanted to quickly ask about that ONEOK agreement that you guys had mentioned in the prepared remarks. I'm sorry if that was already discussed, but is there any more color you can give on that?

Scott Pryor
President, Logistics and Transportation, Targa Resources

As you guys know, we announced the JV, a 50/50 JV with Hess, and what we're referring to as our Little Missouri 4 plant up in the Bakken. As a result of that, there was a need for us to acquire an NGL takeaway. We did so, executed contract with ONEOK for the purposes of that to basically take away the volume that would be produced, the NGL volumes that would be produced at the Little Missouri 4 plant. The good news about that for us is that we were able to approach it in a unique fashion whereby we can actually, over time, as the volume increases, exchange those volumes back and have them redelivered to us at our Mont Belvieu facility to feed our fractionation footprint downstream.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Oh, that's interesting. Thank you. Then, just a second question. The frack train, the one that's in the DevCo with Stonepeak, which will be ultimately fed from Grand Prix, and obviously your processing facilities, what % of that train is contracted through third parties, or can you provide a split what's being underpinned by TRGP equity volumes?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah. As we're thinking about that next fractionation train, it's a mix of existing customers and future growth. We've added third-party contracts, as we've talked about for Grand Prix. We have significant commitments for both transportation and fractionation. It's the growth along our Grand Prix pipeline plus our existing that is really getting us comfort that not only are we going to need train 6, but we're going to have future growth above and beyond that as well. It's a combination of both.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Got you. Okay. Then just last one from us. The 4Q EBITDA, so the $328 million, that $7 million positive you guys are talking about for rollover from 3Q to 4Q, was that all frack, or was that frack and LPG?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

No, there was some LPG as well. We had a little bit of rollover related to LPG and then frack as well.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Mm-hmm. Got you. Jen, can you quantify the LPG, or is it non-material?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

No, it's not material. I mean, it's been $7 million.

Corey
Analyst, Jefferies

Got you. Okay, awesome. Thanks guys so much.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thank you.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet of J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Jeremy Tonet
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Good morning. It's Jeremy Tonet from J.P. Morgan here.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Good morning.

Jeremy Tonet
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hey, thanks. One of your competitors earlier was talking about the ability to kind of use technology to really optimize the G&P business and really wring out costs. Just wondering if you guys see a similar type of potential at Targa, or have you already done things like this, or any thoughts that you can share on the topic?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

I'll weigh in on that one. That should not be a new topic. We've been doing that since we founded the company. At any point in time, we've acquired assets that weren't as well integrated to things like SCADA systems and automatic data recovery, and we very quickly get that to Targa standards. That kind of technology is the current Targa standard. When we find additional applications, we try to employ them, and that should be business as usual. I didn't hear the comments or listen to whatever competitor you're talking about, if we're not talking about it's like other business as usual that we aren't putting on our call.

Jeremy Tonet
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, great. Thanks for that. Just wondering, as you look at the guidance here and you think about the Permian growth, I was just wondering if you could share with us any thoughts as far as how you think kind of production ramps up across the year. Is it more back-end loaded, or is there any conservatism built in with kind of completion delays? Just any color you can provide on this topic to help us kind of think through your guidance here?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah. Good question. We got a similar question last year when we talked to Permian growth and how it's going to ramp. We see continued growth quarter to quarter. Our internal forecast has Q1 higher and then Q2, Q3, and Q4, just ramping through the year. That said, sometimes when compressor stations or parts of one system come on and ramp up, it can kind of be lumpy, it might not actually happen that way. We try and put our best guess on it, but we aren't that good at forecasting each and every well connect and when it's going to come on. We're internally forecasting it to kind of ramp throughout the year. I would expect some lumpiness, but we don't have great visibility into that lumpiness. I'd say Q4, we expect to be the highest, and Q1, we'd expect to be the lowest.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Yeah. I think I'd bet on that one.

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Yeah.

Jeremy Tonet
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

That's helpful. Thanks. Then maybe just expanding beyond to the other systems, if you have any thoughts that you could provide as far as the different systems out there, kind of where you're seeing more growth versus less.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Our guidance, to some extent, describes that.

Not looking back at the script, I'm going from my head, highest growth is the Permian, and then there are pieces within the Permian, of course. We also expect growth in portions of Oklahoma. WestOK's more challenged than SouthOK. I look forward to the day when the entire Oklahoma complex has offset legacy production by the new scoop and stack. We said that West Texas would be up. We said that the Bakken would be up. North Texas will be down. What did I leave off?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

We didn't guide to it, Coastal will probably be down.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Yeah. Definitely. Watch the liquids because that's where we make our money.

Jeremy Tonet
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

That's helpful. I'll stop there. Thank you.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Okay, thanks.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Darren Horowitz of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Darren Horowitz
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, guys. Jen, just a quick question. From a financial optionality perspective, your comment on utilizing additional leverage, what magnitude of additional leverage are you comfortable with on a consolidated debt to EBITDA perspective exiting this year? From a timing perspective, once you get to that 50% capital threshold, the use of leverage, how does that factor into buying back those assets from Stonepeak?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Yeah, Darren, I think from our perspective, we don't really have what I'd call a line in the sand related to leverage. It's partially going to depend on what we see during the year related to fundamentals and volumes and where we are on our expected EBITDA, not only for this year, obviously, but beyond this year.

I think that given that we over-equitized significantly in 2017, that means we're better positioned now in 2018, and especially as a result of the DevCos as well, taking significant funding out of 2018 and 2019. Our current leverage is about 3.8 times at TRP versus a compliance covenant of 5.5 times. I think we're willing to take it a little bit higher. I think it's largely dependent on how long it would be higher for. The number of periods that we expect it to be elevated before the EBITDA really started to ramp in and bring it back down to where we're ultimately more comfortable operating in that sort of three to four times range.

Darren Horowitz
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

I also just like to get to the math on your question. Everyone should not forget, the wonderful thing about that debt to EBITDA ratio is in this current environment, we're spending the dollars up front and then comes the EBITDA. The denominators then get a whole lot better if you look at that long-term forecast we're talking about. It's that denominator getting better that lets us buy back the Stonepeak interest. It's not increasing leverage at that point. It's decreasing leverage because EBITDA is growing.

Darren Horowitz
Analyst, Raymond James

Right. I appreciate that. If I could, one quick follow-up, Jen. From a cost to capital perspective, how much do you calculate that this structure, the Stonepeak JV DevCo structure, benefited you, even building in a predetermined rate of return that's capped low single digits plus or minus any contingency? How much savings do you think you got relative to doing a more traditional JV structure like what you did with Blackstone on Grand Prix initially?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Yeah, we're not going to quantify the savings. We've sort of characterized it as what the structure will ultimately cost us is based on a predetermined fixed return that we certainly think is incredibly attractive, even versus our current common, if you look at our yield, then it seems some sort of a growth component on it. Then there are the other facets related to DevCo that I alluded to earlier in terms of flexibility and some other things that are incredibly important to us. When we looked at it was really the temporary nature of the DevCo structure that was a big focal point for us. That was part of how we designed the structure, was we were thinking about what could we put in our capital structure that was temporary.

When we think about our long-term outlook for EBITDA growth, there's a chance that given that increasing EBITDA and given where we expect our leverage to be over that sort of timeframe that we could take this out, that we could take it out with obviously some equity, leverage, a mix of the two. I think that that's part of what ultimately could result in this being a significantly lower cost than certainly issuing something like common, that amount of common at today's price would've been.

Darren Horowitz
Analyst, Raymond James

Thank you.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Darren.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christine Cho of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Hi. I just have one question. With your Permian volumes being a mix of fee and POP, and Permian gas bases blowing out, can you give us an idea of what your exposure to that is, and how easy is it to hedge that, at least until Gulf Coast Express is online?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Sure. I'll start with that. On the Midland basin side, it's primarily POP. We have some fee-based contracts over there too, but it's primarily POP. On the Delaware side, it's a mix. The Outrigger acquisition was primarily or almost entirely fee-based. We have a mix of both. For our POP component, we are exposed as we get our percentage of proceeds of the gas to basis. One of the points we made when we're talking about hedging, when we hedge our exposure under those POP contracts, we're long gas, we don't just hedge Henry Hub, we hedge basis. We'll hedge Waha and El Paso Permian. Our 2018 numbers do reflect that, and even our hedges beyond there, we do hedge at Waha and El Paso Permian.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Over time, we think with GCX, over time, that large basis that we see now is going to start to-

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Okay

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Is going to start hiking. There was a piece of the question in there that said, how easy is it to hedge that? Point one, it's very easy and very liquid and very transparent-

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Right

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

What the market believes that is at any point in time.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Okay.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Far more liquid than our NGL hedges.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Okay.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

On the other hand, our investment in GCX helps change that equation.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Right.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

It gets an important pipe done, to some extent, hedges our position, and definitely will reduce basis. Good thing about high basis is it solves high basis, and that's good for our interest as a processor and our producer's interest from their position.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you for that. I actually have one follow-up. Do you guys foresee gas residue issues for STACK/Scoop? More specifically.

Is there talk or expectations that gas is going to go to Waha and then get to the Gulf Coast from there?

Pat McDonie
President, Gathering and Processing, Targa Resources

I don't think it's expected that it'll get to Waha. In the interim, there'll be some issues seasonally and in particular areas of the SCOOP stack. Cheniere's announced a pipeline. It's getting built. That will relieve those issues. In the interim period, gas will move the traditional ways it has through the pipes that try to move it to the upper Midwest or to the east. It doesn't make a lot of sense when Waha is growing and oversupplied for Mid-Con and gas to show up at Waha. The expectation will anything that can be moved down to North Texas will be moved down to North Texas, and everything else will go in traditionally where it has gone. Yeah.

Christine Cho
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Thank you.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Christine.

Pat McDonie
President, Gathering and Processing, Targa Resources

Bye.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sunil Sibal of Seaport Global Securities. Your line is now open.

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Hi. Good morning, guys, and congratulations to everybody on the promotions and a good quarter.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Thanks. Good morning.

Thanks, Sunil.

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Yeah, a couple of questions from me. When I look at the Permian Delaware volumes in the Q4, it seems like they were flat sequentially. I was kind of wondering, was there any kind of one-time issues that impacted that? I know you mentioned well freeze-offs. How should we think about Delaware portion of the Permian in the next couple of quarters?

Matt Meloy
President, Targa Resources

Sure. We were impacted by some maintenance events at Versado in the fourth quarter relative to the third. Those were relatively flat, actually down a couple million a day. The longer term, if you look through 2018 and beyond, we see significant growth out in the Delaware. While it didn't really grow too much relative to Q3, we do see continued growth going forward, and there was a maintenance impact at Versado in the quarter.

Pat McDonie
President, Gathering and Processing, Targa Resources

I think what I would add is that because of the cold weather, even with some freeze-offs, et cetera, what occurs is you get a lot more heater treaters being run to make sure that the oil's coming out of the ground. You have a lot more consumption of natural gas at the wellhead that also takes gas away from what ultimately gets delivered into our gathering and processing facilities. You see a combination of that, and weather not only affects in the freezing mechanism, but it also for heater treater purposes, et cetera. We think volumes are growing. We see it. It is kind of a hiccup, but it's not anything we haven't seen before or anything we're even remotely concerned about.

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Yeah. Okay. Got it. On the 2014 guidance, you split out the splitter contribution for 2018. I'll just put it, are there any kind of one-time issues impacting that number, or is that a kind of a good run rate going forward?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

I'm not sure I understood the question. Would you repeat it again?

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Yeah. When I look at your 2018 guidance split, I think the Noble splitter project contribution is indicated as about $10 million for full year 2018. I was kind of curious, are there any one-time items impacting that number, or is that a good run rate going forward?

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Noble splitter obviously comes online this year. We'll have OpEx associated with the splitter once it's online. I think if you think about the sort of $43 million payments that we have been receiving in October of every year, we've sort of guided to kind of net Op margin associated with that being sort of in the $30 million-ish range when you take into account OpEx.

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Okay. Just to clarify on the five-year kind of guidance that you had given out for 2021, seems like on the slide 10 that in today's deck, you are still using the same projects that were used in July. I was wondering, just to kind of benchmark our models, how should we be thinking about the CapEx in that base guidance that you gave back in July in terms of the CapEx from 2018-2020?

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

To be clear, what appears on page 10 of the deck is a repeat of what we showed in June, called it on the first two-thirds of the page from the left side, and then a new column which says recent additions to EBITDA growth outlook. It is not a new forecast. It was not really a forecast to begin with. It was an outlook. It is not a new outlook. It is showing that there have been changes made since the previous outlook, and those changes are the new commercial agreements, GCX, the joint venture in the Bakken, the expanded joint venture in Centrahoma. I don't want the chart to be misunderstood or by anyone who has not seen it to think that we've got a new long-term guidance page out there. We don't. Our script comments did say. They were mine, I kind of remember them.

I did say that we believe that the outlook we gave in June is even better today, and then we discussed the reasons. I really can't help you with your modeling beyond that, and the sort of transcript of this will list those reasons, and some of those reasons are listed on page 10 in that packet. Does that help?

Sunil Sibal
Analyst, Seaport Global Securities

Yeah, it does. Thank you.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dennis Coleman of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Dennis Coleman
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes, thanks for sticking with me there. Lots of good questions have been asked. I just have I think more of a detailed one. You mentioned in the agreement with ONEOK to move the liquids that you could potentially just exchange the volumes. I guess that's take volumes that ONEOK has at Belvieu or some shape of that is what I'm imagining. Is there a basis negotiated into those kind of agreements? Has that already been anticipated, or do you just do that at market? How does that work?

Scott Pryor
President, Logistics and Transportation, Targa Resources

We recognize that the agreement that we have obviously ONEOK has the pipe today, OHLP pipe today, and then they've got their announcement of their Elk Creek pipe. Practically speaking, it's my understanding that the current pipe is virtually full, so the additive of their Elk Creek pipe provides the transportation leg to move the barrels to the various marketplaces. For us, we just view it as a transportation exchange. We're delivering barrels at the Bakken, and over time, an increasing amount of volumes will be redelivered back to us at our Mont Belvieu fractionator. Not gonna get into settlement prices or how that works. Needless to say, it is beneficial to Targa to have those volumes at our fractionator.

Dennis Coleman
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. It was worth a try. Thanks very much.

Jen Kneale
CFO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Dennis.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Thanks, Dennis.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session for today. I'd like to turn the conference back over to the company for any closing remarks.

Joe Bob Perkins
CEO, Targa Resources

Thanks, operator, and thanks to everybody on the call this morning. We hope that the additional color and 2018 guidance was helpful. Please feel free to contact Sanjay, Jen, or any of us to follow up. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.