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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 4, 2023

Operator

Good morning, welcome to the PNM Resources Q2 2023 conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch-tone phone. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Executive Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Lisa Goodman
Director, Investor Relations', PNM Resources

Thank you, Alan. Thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the PNM Resources Q2 2023 earnings call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at pnmresources.com. Joining me today are PNM Resources Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent-Collawn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Tarry, and Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward-looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward-looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that PNM Resources assumes no obligation to update this information.

For a detailed discussion of factors affecting PNM Resources results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, as well as reports on Form 8-K filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today as we head into another heatwave across most of New Mexico and Texas. Today is also International Beer Day and National White Wine Day, so we've given you some ideas on how to beat the heat tonight. I'm going to start on slide 4 with our financial results and company updates. Ongoing earnings were $0.55 for the Q2 , compared to $0.57 last year. We are also affirming our guidance for 2023. Lisa will walk you through the details later in the call. Before I hand things over to Don to cover the operational highlights and key regulatory and legislative updates, let me cover a few strategic items. We extended our pending merger agreement with AVANGRID to December 31st, with the option for a further 3-month extension through March.

The New Mexico Supreme Court weighed in on our request for remand in May, along with requests from other parties to supplement the record. The court denied all the requested motions and continued its appeal process of the Commission decision by ordering oral arguments, which were recently rescheduled from September 12th to September 15th. You may remember we had requested the oral argument as part of our briefings last year. Following oral argument, there is no timeline or indication of when the court will issue its decision. We are confident in our legal arguments in the appeal, the Commission's improper handling of the proceedings, and weighing of the benefits. We continue to believe the existing case record supports approval of the agreement. We are also still confident the merger is the right decision for our long-term strategy and our customers, employees, and communities.

If the court agrees with us on the appeal, they would remand the case back for modification. It would then be the Commission's responsibility to determine what is necessary to remedy the order and set a schedule. The extension of the merger agreement should provide time to work through the court and Commission processes. In our appeal on Four Corners, the court confirmed last month that we would need to file a proposed plan for the replacement resources in order to continue our plan to exit the plant early. As a reminder, we are a 13% minority owner in the Four Corners plant with only 200 megawatts. We remain committed to fully exiting coal and removing carbon from our resource portfolio.

We are focused on the best interests of our customers and are working on next steps, which could include refiling an abandonment case with the commission that would contain the specific replacement resources. Lastly, let me give an update on the sales process of our joint venture, NMRD. The process announced in May is continuing with bids due during the Q3 , and we still expect to close by the end of the year. With that, I'll turn it over to Don.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide 6 with operational highlights for the quarter at PNM. We are continuing our plans in New Mexico for a clean energy transition. New solar and storage resources have been coming online, providing energy to help us meet record-level demand. We're expecting 410 MW of solar and storage to be added during the Q3 , reflecting a big shift in our system. This will bring our resource portfolio capacity to 60% carbon-free. We also expect another 1,300 MW of solar and storage resources that were previously approved to come online by the end of 2024, which will take us above 70% carbon-free.

The recent Supreme Court decision on Four Corners may have felt like a setback, We remain steadfast in our goal to fully eliminate carbon from our resource portfolio, We are moving in that direction quickly. System demands are growing. We are looking at additional resources to meet future demand. Last year, PNM hit a new system peak for the first time since 2003, We topped that level with another new system peak in July of this year. In November of last year, we announced an RFP for resources with in-service dates of 2026, 2027, and 2028 to meet the growing needs of our system. Transmission interconnection queues remain a challenge for new resources.

The resources that will be selected are those who can meet the 2026 in-service date by having transmission interconnection, connections available or being situated where new transmission is not required. As a result, the resource available for 2026 will primarily be battery storage, leveraging existing interconnections or substations. We expect to make a filing in the coming weeks for these resources. Meanwhile, on the transmission and distribution side of the business, we continue to invest in reliability and resilience and look forward to solutions to integrate more intermittent resources on our grid. We are also pursuing federal funding opportunities under the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act for specific projects to benefit our customers. We have $250 million proposals that have moved beyond conceptual papers and are being considered for funding under the GRIP program.

We are also a partner in a smaller project that has already received approval under the AEROS program. It is a partnership to use artificial intelligence powered platform on our grid real-time to manage distributed energy resources. We'll use findings from this pilot to maximize renewable resources on our grid going forward. We will continue to explore federal funding opportunities to benefit customers as we look to maximize the benefits of the clean energy transition. We have an abundance of projects in the wings as we continually balance the customer impacts of our capital investments and utilize other funding opportunities can improve our ability to bring more benefits to our customers. On slide 7, I will walk you through recent updates on key regulatory proceedings at PNM. Pat has already covered our updates on the merger and Four Corners exit.

In our grid modernization application, the commission has asked for us to supplement the record with a cost-benefit analysis for our filed investments. We plan on submitting the analysis in early November. The hearing examiner has indicated the remainder of the procedural schedule will work around the hearings for our general rate case, which has a statutory time clock. We now expect a decision on the grid mod application in the first half of 2024. The shift in this timing for approval does not change the customer benefits and does not create significant changes to our capital spending plan. In our general rate case, staff and intervener testimony was filed at the end of June, and our rebuttal testimony was filed last week.

Hearings on the case are scheduled for September 5th through the 22nd. We would expect a recommended decision from the hearing examiner in the November timeframe, with a final order from the commission in December and rates implemented in January. The customer bill impact from the rate change in 2024, coupled with changes in our fuel clause and other riders, continues to be less than 1% for the average residential customer. Last quarter, I talked about our filing for 12 megawatts of battery storage at existing substations as an innovative T&D solution. This process has been docketed with testimony due during the 3rd quarter and hearings scheduled for October. We see this as a good customer solution to alleviate congestion on our system, it's distri-- and demonstrates new ways we can leverage technology to provi- provide reliability, affordable service to our customers.

Turning to Texas on slide 8, I will cover TNMP's recent operating highlights and key regulatory updates. TNMP hit a new system peak again this year at the end of June, with even higher peaks reached in July. Temperatures are definitely a factor, each year's new peak also reflects continued growth across our service territory. TNMP system peak has grown 25% over the last 5 years, and this is net of our energy efficiency programs that just received ENERGY STAR's highest recognition again this year. We are growing our teams in capital spending in Texas to match and support growth and reliability across our service territory. Our annual capital investments plans have more than doubled in the last 5 years from $200 million to over $400 million this year.

We are seeing growth in all three regions of our service territory: North Central Texas, the Gulf Coast, and West Texas. Lisa will talk more about the load impacts we are currently seeing. Looking forward, we already have one transmission expansion project in West Texas under review with the ERCOT planning group and are filing a second. Existing data centers in the area were given clearance to ramp their loads at the end of the Q2 and have communicated plans to expand their facilities. We are also seeing an increase in medium-sized transmission requests from oil and gas load. North Texas continues to be one of the hottest housing markets in Texas, and growth in the Gulf Coast is evident in new substations and supporting T&D infrastructure.

New load in both areas is being studied by TNMP planning groups, and we continue to receive inquiries from new and existing industrial and large load customers. In terms of regulatory updates, we reached a unanimous settlement with staff and interveners in our filing of our distribution and investment recovery, known as DCRF, and received commission approval of the settlement. This year was another year of constructive settlement for 98% of our requested amount, resulting in a $14.5 million increase to be implemented September 1st, recovering an incremental investment of $157 million of rate base. On the transmission side, we've implemented updated rates under our 1st TCOS filing for 2023 in May, and we have made our 2nd filing in July, with rates expected to take effect in September.

We've requested an annual increase of $4.2 million to recover an incremental $21.4 million in capital investments. Turning to slide 9, I'll highlight some of the new bills from this year's Texas legislative session that impact our business. Grid reliability and resilience were a priority in this year's session. Bills passed to provide TNMP the flexibility to further strengthen its infrastructure and allow for timely rate recovery. The bill with the largest near-term financial impact to our business is the DCRF legislation, adding a second filing per year and shortening the timeframe for proceedings, similar to the TCOS filings on the transmission side. We are having stronger than expected load at TNMP this year, which Lisa will talk more about, and this means our returns are strong, strong enough that we will not have a second DCRF filing this year.

We will look for benefits of this legislation impact to affect our bottom line in 2024. Also, on the distribution side of the business, system resilience and temporary mobile generation bills were passed, and commission rulemakings will be underway soon. Temporary mobile generation will play an important role in each region of our service territory, assisting TNMP in restoring power to distribution customers after a significant event, especially because our network is dispersed across the state. On the transmission side of the business, legislation was passed specific to West Texas transmission planning and 6-month CCN deadlines, which will help us move beyond the current projects that have resulted from sustained load growth and assist in getting ahead of higher demand projects in the future.

These transmission projects are generally recovered through the TCOS mechanism. This approved legislation will help projects move more efficiently to accommodate new load, not only in West Texas, but across TNMP. Total employee compensation is another bill that will improve TNMP's ability to recover the expenses necessary to run its business. The damaged critical infrastructure bill helps to protect our investments in response to criminal events across our, the country. As we develop our business plans for next year and beyond, we will look to prioritize investments aligned with these measures that improve the quality of service for our customers and future customers. The TCOS and DCRF riders, along with this year's new legislation, will make it increasingly possible to earn close to our authorized return at TNMP without a general rate case filing. With that, I will turn it over to Lisa.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Thank you, Don. Good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide 11 with a summary of the year-over-year changes in Q2 earnings. Earnings per share in the Q2 of 2023 were $0.55, compared to $0.57 in the Q2 of 2022. Weather in both states reduced EPS by $0.04 year-over-year. At PNM, higher transmission margins increased our revenues and lower costs from our generation portfolio transition and gas plant outages in 2022 also increased the bottom line compared to last year. TNMP had higher transmission and distribution investment recovery and increased customer usage from the load growth. The increase at both utilities, which partially offset by expenses for depreciation, property tax, and interest associated with our new rate base investments, along with increases to our planned O&M spending.

We are trending above our annual expectation for O&M, we'll make use of favorable weather opportunities in the second half of the year to bolster our system and enhance service to our customers. Higher interest rates reduced earnings at the corporate segment, net of the hedges we previously put in place. On slide 12, I'll cover our load growth for both PNM and TNMP. At PNM, the shoulder months and milder temperatures brought lower volumes. On a year-to-date basis, we continue to see a slower ramp-up from some of our larger industrial customers, which has been partially offset by the residential and commercial classes that are ahead of our expectations. The end of June brought a significant change in temperatures, which quickly rose to the record highs seen in July and led to multiple new system peaks.

We continue to see strong inquiries stemming from economic development efforts at the state level, further supporting our plans for increased system demand and additional resources needed on our system. At TNMP, growth in the Q2 was more than enough to outweigh the impacts of milder weather year-over-year. As Don mentioned, we hit a new all-time system peak in June, and then again in July, even as crypto mining customers scaled back their usage. Volumetric load grew in the Q2 and nearly offset the decrease we saw in the Q1 . The strong housing market and growth in subdivisions that Don mentioned are largely seen through our volumetric load. Demand-based load reflects the ramp-up of crypto mining customers throughout last year.

We continue to see growth from this segment of the business, and we are also seeing continued demand-based growth from other customers in all 3 regions of our service territory. Expansion by our larger existing customers and new industrial customer inquiries has positively impacted our demand-based load. We will review our guidance after Q3, but it's likely that our demand-based growth in Texas will exceed our expectations for the year. In terms of weather, when looking at the entire quarter, TNMP's degree days were pretty close to normal and didn't have a significant impact on TNMP's earnings this quarter. Last year, the Q2 was hotter than normal, so there is a decrease in EPS year-over-year related to weather. Turning to slide 13, I'll provide an update on our assumptions for the rest of the year.

We are affirming our 2023 guidance range of $2.65 to 2.75. Our increased results in the Q1 were partially offset by the impact of milder New Mexico temperatures in the Q2 . We have updated our quarterly earnings distribution to reflect our revised assumptions. July temperatures indicate we will likely be in the top half of the guidance range this year. We will reevaluate our expectations based on Q3 results at our next earnings call. We will also provide an update to our capital plan to incorporate investments associated with the recently implemented legislation in Texas, any timing shifts in grid modernization investments, and any other updates. We refinanced $500 million of our holding company term loan in June, extending the maturity out another year to June of 2026.

In addition to spreading out our maturity dates, we increased the diversification of our lenders, reducing our overall financial risk. We continue to have $1 billion of interest rate hedges in place this year through September, with $850 million for the remainder of the year and $600 million in 2024. In terms of equity through our ATM program, we added another $50 million of forward sales in the Q2 , bringing our current total to just under $100 million. We will continue to look for opportunities to sell another $100 million of equity for the remainder of the year through this program or other vehicles to reach our total plan of $200 million. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Thank you, Lisa. Before I open it up for questions, I want to give a special thanks to all of our teams across Texas and New Mexico who have been focused on maintaining reliability and supporting our customers during this extraordinary heat wave across the Southwest. These types of weather events are a reminder that our investment plans for clean energy and for reliability and resilience of the grid are critical. Our future will be directly impacted by the steps we take today to protect our environment and improve the lives of our customers and communities. Our annual sustainability report, published today, talks more about our commitments and reports on the progress towards our goals. You can find the report on our website. Alan, let's please open it up for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Ryan Levine of Citi. Go ahead.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Good morning.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Good morning, Ryan.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Hi, maybe to start off in terms of your, the recent comment around potential changes to a capital program to be announced with the next quarter release, you know, on the heels of the favorable Texas legislation, can you give any color as to what's the scope and opportunity that you're evaluating currently, and any color as to, you know, what the process looks like from here?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Sure. We'll have Lisa answer that one for you.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Yeah, and, like I said in my script, Ryan, we will take into account the recent legislation, look to see what we can do there. As you know, some of that legislation needs rules around it, and so we will work through that. We also will incorporate any timing changes regarding our grid mod and any other updates that we see. So that will be coming forth in Q3.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Okay. To the extent that some of those clarification timelines get delayed, should we expect a delay in when you'd roll out your capital plan, or do you feel pretty comfortable with the Q3 disclosure?

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

We feel comfortable that we will have some updates in Q3.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Okay. maybe switching gears, in terms of the Four Corners process from here, in terms of the legal language in the merger agreement, what obligations you have to continue to pursue that exit? How does that frame or influence your path forward through the remaining portion of the year?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Well, I, I agree that the main thing that is pushing our path forward is our desire to do what's right for our customers and to provide cost savings for our customers, along with continuing to be carbon-free. That is what is guiding our analysis. The merger agreement said that we needed to make a regulatory filing and have a signed contract in place. Those two things are still in effect. Satisfied the merger agreement, guiding is the customers.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Okay, last question, in terms of load forecasts from here, and clearly AI is topical, are you seeing any of that load materializing in your service territory, or do you see any upside to your, your load forecast?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

You, you know, when we look at our economic development, Ryan, you know, we see a lot of data centers here in New Mexico and some manufacturing plants. The Inflation Reduction Act incentives, I think we're starting to see that. In Texas, we see crypto. We haven't seen anything specific to AI, but we do have, in both territories, healthy, very healthy economic development pipelines.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you for taking my questions.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

You're welcome. You just wanted me to, to not be the only CEO that didn't say AI on an earnings call. Thank you for that.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith of Bank of America. Go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

TGI Friday, guys. Thanks for the time, as always. Appreciate it. Five o'clock somewhere.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Amen.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Just to that end, speaking of, being the end of the day, how about the end of the year? Just talking about this new December timeframe, what will you know in terms of, of that timeframe, in terms of, the transaction, right? Presumably, given the, all the various pieces, I surmise that you may not necessarily have a new, decision from the PRC by that timeframe, but what will you know by the end of December in order to assess or reassess as it may be?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Well, my crystal ball is a little cloudy when it comes to the Supreme Court, just so we'll just stipulate that. We're pretty confident that we should have a decision from the Supreme Court before the end of the year. I mean, in a perfect world, we have a decision from the Supreme Court. It's very specific about what the Commission needs to do, and the Commission is done. Possible. I don't think it's probable. I think we'll have a decision from the Supreme Court, telling the Commission where the court believes it erred and telling it what it needs to do to fix that. That's where I think we're going to be at the end of December. It's possible, again, the Supreme Court doesn't rule, because, as you know, there's no, there's no set timeframe.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. without trying to be deterministic about this, are there any specific parameters that are a red line around the deal per se, as it pertains to either the, the court outcome, or B, the other dynamic around the rate case itself and that timeline, you know, whether, whether or not it's, it's resolved entirely?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Well, I would think on the merge, I'll let Don talk about the rate case. You know, obviously, if the, if the court upholds the commission, you know, we and AVANGRID are going to have to think about what our chances would be when that happens. I can't think of any scenario of any red line that they would put in there that would be an issue, so.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

On the rate case, we, we should have a, a decision by the end of the year. I mean, hearings are in September. Expect a recommended decision in November. You know, the Commission has to, to order by, I think it's around January 31st.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

January fourth, yeah.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

There will be a decision on the rate, rate case by then.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Right. You should have pretty ample clarity on a lot of things. In fact, to that end, if you can elaborate a little bit, I mean, considering that the deal is not necessarily overlapping with the timeline for the rate case, is there potential for any kind of settlement in this case, or just has it been too long and too many different parties involved for that to be credibly considered at this point in time?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, on the rate case, we would never say never, but where we're at right now is we're preparing for the hearings that start next month, and that's where our focus is at, so.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

All right. Fair enough. Lastly, just in terms of the CapEx update, can you break down the specific pieces? I know, I know Ryan was just pushing on this, but can you break down the different buckets, A, in Texas, B, just grid mod, what the, the different permutations might be, and C, what the, what is currently in your, your planning process in, in Texas as it pertains to generation resources? I imagine that could very well be a further aspect to your next CapEx update, as it pertains to, to Texas load, if I, if I hear you right.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

You're asking us what the upside to the upside is.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Always! Come on.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

I know.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

You know one thing.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

I know. I'm going to let Lisa answer that.

Ryan Levine
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Citi

Julien, we, we, we said that we will provide an update in Q3, right? We will go through and look at the what's available and what's appropriate to add to our capital budget. Also incorporate any timing associated with grid mod and any other updates.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

... we'll just have to wait until Q3 to see what that CapEx plan looks like.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

I would add to what Lisa said, we do see the legislation being extremely positive in, in Texas as we look to continue to create resilience in the grid. There, there are opportunities there, but as Lisa said, we'll, we'll address those in Q3.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Awesome. All right, great. With Q3, you'll have just to clarify that on Texas, you'll have the visibility or ready to come forward with something? I know that the resiliency process itself is could take a little bit of time here too, right, at least for your view?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Yes. So, so, so we will review what, what, what the opportunities are, and we will share that in the Q3 call.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Excellent. All right, guys. Thank you very much.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Thank you, Julien.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and leading Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Enjoy it.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Thanks.

Operator

Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder of Wells Fargo. Go ahead.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hey, good morning, team.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Morning, Jonathan.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Just to follow up a little bit on the rate case, what's your view of the intervener positions that have been filed? When would a settlement, if one is to be reached, need to be filed by?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, I mean, the, the positions of the interveners, they seem to be heavily focused on really our transition out of our generation resources. I mean, whether it's Four Corners, the Palo Verde lease, the 114 megawatts we transferred out of, they even have some San Juan in there as well. That if you look at the overall briefings that they've provided and the testimony they've provided, it's primarily been focused in, in that area. You know, on the settlement side, I would never say never, but as I said, Jonathan, we're focused on preparing and putting the, the best case forward that we have in, in September.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

When would you need to reach a settlement, though, in order to reach one? Like, does it need to be before the hearing, or is that just kind of the preferred date?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, ideally, you, you would like to before the hearings, but, again, as, as I said, we're, we're focused on, on preparing for that case.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. Would you say, like, are the parties motivated to reach a settlement? You know, or, you know, maybe ask another way: Do you believe, like, the newly constituted PRC would honor a settlement agreement, whereas, you know, the prior PRC kind of had a reputation for modifying them?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, I'd, I'd probably be speaking for the, the, the commissioners, so I'd, I'd prefer not to to, to hop into that. You know, I think that, you know, they, they haven't been against settlements. They haven't taken the position that settlements are a bad thing at the commission, but we'll have to wait and see how this commission reacts as we move forward, so.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, like, past precedent, has that influenced, I guess, the parties', like, desire to reach a settlement? Or, you know, is, is that still something that you think parties are working towards?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

You know, Jonathan, it's just hard to say because we haven't seen this commission make any major decisions right yet. And remember, we only have two commissioners on this because Commissioner O'Connell, Chairman O'Connell, recused himself because he had filed testimony with Western Resource Advocates on some of the issues. I think given all those factors, and we've got some turnover among the intervener staff themselves, it's, it's kind of hard to make a conjecture on this one.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. All right. Shifting to the, to the Four Corners, what has to happen, I guess, for you to refile, the application? Like, you know, will the results of last November's RFP, I guess, shape the replacement resource plan, you know, which you could then include?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Yes.

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, I mean, from the Supreme Court ruling, it's clear that we have to file actual resources and the timeliness of that. As I mentioned, you know, we have a multiple set of RFPs ongoing right now, 26, 27, and 28. As you kind of look at those, those realms of things, you know, you'd want actual resources that you file in the next case. You want as clean a case as you possibly can.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. You said the results of that are expected here in the next few weeks?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

You know, our, our results, we issued those RFPs, earlier this year. You know, they'll, they'll come in over the next couple of weeks. Like Pat said, the, the key element is you got to look at the customer benefits and the timing of, of how it all aligns. We're going to do the right thing that makes sense for the customers.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. Okay, I guess, can you talk a little bit about the planned 2026 resource filing? Is this something that, I guess, the PRC approves and actually, you know, lays out, you know, potential recovery of future generation additions? You know, like, will it also indicate whether PNM is able to own any of this generation, you know, versus the prior PRC's preference for, you know, PNM just to sign PPAs?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

Yeah, Jonathan, I'm not going to get ahead of our filing. Our, our filing will likely be in the next two or three-week time periods. You know, I think that will kind of lay out the direction. Again, when we go through our RFP process, we're looking at the, the deliverability of the resources and what's cost beneficial to customers, and that's the screen that always, we always have to go through, and it's the right thing to do. As we go through those screens, as we put these plans in front of the Commission, that's our focus.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Jonathan, remember, this time around now, we have the commission, we have an independent evaluator involved in it, which I quite frankly think is very helpful, because they are a, a non-biased, non-partisan look. If it does make sense for us to own some generation coming out of that, and the independent evaluator agrees, I think we have a much better shot at getting that generation.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, does the PRC ultimately approve this plan that you kind of file and lay that, lay out? Like, is there a conclusion to it, or is this just what you kind of propose, and then, you know, going forward, you, you implement it, you know, as, as needed on, like, a piecemeal basis?

Don Tarry
CEO, PNM Resources

We'll, we'll file it as an actual plan that seeks commission approval. That will be the path. When, when we make the filing in the next two or three weeks, it'll be asking for approval of these specific resources.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Right.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, great. No, appreciate that clarity.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Yeah.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thanks.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

It's not the IRP, which is what we file for, for support. Yeah.

Jonathan Reeder
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, great.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Pat Vincent-Collawn for any closing remarks.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman of the Board, PNM Resources

Thank you, Alan, and again, thank you all for joining us this morning. Please stay safe and cool, and keep out of those heat waves. We'll talk to you all soon.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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