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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Oct 27, 2023

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Lisa Goodman
Executive Director of Investor Relations, PNM Resources

Thank you, Dave, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at pnmresources.com. Joining me today are PNM Resources Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent-Collawn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Tarry, and Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward-looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward-looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates, and that PNM Resources assumes no obligation to update this information.

For a detailed discussion of factors affecting PNM Resources results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, as well as reports on Form 8-K filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today Cranky Co-Workers Day. And yes, you can Google it. It is a real day. Now, we are sure none of you have Cranky Co-Workers, or that none of you are one of Cranky Co-Workers, and none of us surely are. But we're gonna celebrate the day just in case. I'm going to start on slide four with our financial results and strategic updates. Ongoing earnings were $1.54 for the third quarter, compared to $1.46 last year.

Summer temperatures were hotter across New Mexico and Texas and had a significant impact on earnings. We are adjusting our guidance for the year to a range of $2.75-$2.80 per share. Lisa will walk through the details. The New Mexico Supreme Court held oral arguments on our merger with Avangrid on September 15th.

This was the final step in the appeal process, and there is no timeline for when the court will issue its decision. Yes, we reprised Tom Petty because we agree that the waiting is the hardest part. As a reminder, the court has two options: to uphold the commission's decision or to vacate the order and remand the case back to the commission. If there is a remand, the commission will determine the next steps on how to respond to the court's order. The merger agreement was previously extended through December, with the option for a further three-month extension through March. Separately, the sale of our joint venture, NMRD, remains on track. The renewable projects in this portfolio are attractive assets, even in the current challenging market, and we are working to evaluate the bids.

We expect to close the sale in the late fourth quarter or early first quarter. With that, I'll turn it over to Don.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide six with operational highlights at PNM. New Mexico continues to announce new economic development wins. Two of those announcements warranted national attention during the third quarter. In August, President Biden visited the site of a new facility that will manufacture wind towers in PNM's service territory. Soon after, Maxeon Solar announced its plans for its first U.S.-based manufacturing facility, a 3 GW plant in Albuquerque. The billion-dollar investment is also expected to bring 1,800 new jobs to the area. We are also seeing continued announcements and inquiries for new businesses and expansions, further increasing our system demand outlook. In July, PNM had two consecutive days at a new all-time system peak, when cooling degree days for the month were almost 50% higher than the 20-year normal.

Last year's new peak was the first for PNM in nearly a decade. We maintained reliability through the peak season in both years, thanks to careful monitoring, planning, and system maintenance from our teams. On the other side of the equation, we have also started the approval process to add new resources to our system. After an RFP process began last year, we filed an application at the Commission this week for resources needed in 2026. These additions will align our planning reserves with industry standards, and it will better position us as a state for additional economic development inquiries. The filing proposes 100 MW of solar through PPAs and 250 MW of battery storage capacity through energy transit, energy storage agreements, along with 60 MW of utility-owned battery.

This is our first proposal for utility-owned generation resources in some time, and it carries several benefits for customers. In addition to being part of the least cost portfolio, ownership of battery allows us to charge and discharge the battery in our customer's best interests, while maximizing our entire system. It also allows us to retain the battery, upgrade components, and extend the life of the battery versus paying to replace the battery at the end of the contract term. Balancing this with energy storage agreements allows the utility to avoid the risk of operations and maintenance costs increased during the contract period. We see the mix of ownership and contract resources providing the best operational and customer value. Each of the proposed solar and battery projects leverage existing grid interconnections in order to be online in 2026.

We've asked the commission for approval of these resources by May, and we'll provide you with updates as the filing proceeds. One year ago, our generation capacity had just reached 50% carbon-free resources. Adding these 2026 resources to our plans will move us to 75% carbon-free, and this doesn't include community solar resources, which are also expected in the coming years. Our clean energy transition in New Mexico is moving rapidly. Turning to slide seven, I'll cover our key regulatory proceedings with the New Mexico Commission. In our PNM rate change filing, hearings have been completed, and we continue to expect a commission decision by the end of the year. The unanimous settlement of the San Juan rate credit removes this item from the rate case.

As we continue to transition our generation portfolio, the two remaining transitional issues in the case primarily relate to past decisions on Four Corners and Palo Verde resources and the recovery of amounts associated with those plants. We are looking forward to resolving these issues as we move forward on our path to carbon-free. Our proposal for a 12 MW, 12 MW of battery storage as a distribution solution is also under review at the commission. We received full support of our request from the intervening parties in this case. If these batteries are approved, we will look to take this same approach at our other distribution sites to relieve overloaded feeders and accommodate more renewable energy. The hearing examiner held hearings on October 12, and we expect a commission decision before the end of the year.

In our grid modernization filing, we expect to file the requested cost-benefit analysis to support the proposed investments in November. Many of the future rate design possibilities discussed by stakeholders in our current rate review require these advanced metering technologies that are proposed in our grid modernization filing. We expect a decision in the first half of 2024. We have also been working with stakeholders and getting their input into our Integrated Resource Plan that will be filed before the end of the year. While the IRP is not formally approved by the commission, it provides modeling results showing the most cost-effective path forward for meeting system demands over the next 20 years. The filing and subsequent commission discussion will provide some direction for the path ahead towards our carbon-free goals.

Before I turn to TNMP, I quickly note that we have not made any new determinations on the future of our ownership in the Four Corners Power Plant. We continue to evaluate options for a potential exit and replacement before our ownership contract expires in 2031. Now, turning to Texas on slide eight, I'll cover TNMP's recent operating highlights and key regulatory updates. After setting a new system record in June, TNMP exceeded this level twice at the end of July and then again in August. The consistent growth in system demand at TNMP and legislative support for infrastructure investments prompted us to bring more projects to the forefront of our plan. Lisa will walk through our revised capital plans through 2027, which includes this growth at TNMP.

I mentioned last quarter that our annual capital investment plans at TNMP had more than doubled in the last five years, from $200 million to $400 million per year, and now our five year plan shows this level increasing to $600 million per year as Texas continues to lead the nation in growth. On the distribution side, customer growth remains strong, and the housing markets in our North Texas and Gulf Coast service territories are among the strongest in the country. For example, we have been working with a developer all year who announced its plans this month for a new 1,600 home community in our Gulf Coast service territory. Development has already begun, and housing construction is expected to begin in 2025.

On the transmission side, our teams have worked to earn a reputation in the area for processing new requests in a timely manner and are fielding additional inquiries. In addition to our system demand, one of our proposals for transmission expansion in West Texas has been vetted by the ERCOT Regional Planning Group and should be considered by ERCOT board later this year. We are seeing interconnection requests increase each quarter, and under new legislation, ERCOT will be directed to develop a reliability plan for the Permian Basin, which could result in additional investment opportunities.

As for regulatory updates, we implemented new rates for both distribution and transmission capital recovery in September. Next year, we plan to make semiannual filings under both the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms based on the new DCRF legislation. All of our T&D capital investments qualify for recovery in this manner.

As the rules for new resilience legislation are finalized, we could see additional recovery mechanisms put into place and would also submit a filing under those rules. We also received approval for TNMP's annual energy efficiency program, with a settlement for recovery of $6.6 million of program costs, which includes a $1.2 million bonus incentive for prior year achievement. TNMP remains the fastest-growing segment of our business, with a constructive regulatory environment to recover investments timely. With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide 10 with a summary of the year-over-year changes in third quarter earnings. Earnings per share in the third quarter of 2023 were $1.54, compared to $1.46 in the third quarter of 2022. Weather was a significant positive driver in both New Mexico and Texas, adding $0.21 to the quarter. Continued rate recovery of transmission and distribution investments at TNMP also added earnings. The increase at both utilities was partially offset by planned O&M increases and expenses for depreciation, property tax, and interest associated with new rate-based investments. Lower earnings at corporate reflects higher interest rates year over year, partially mitigated by the hedges we previously put in place. On slide 11, I'll cover our load growth for both PNM and TNMP.

At PNM, weather had the biggest impact on our sales volumes. On a weather-normalized basis, we continue to see residential and commercial classes ahead of our expectations, while the ramp-up from some of our larger industrial customers remains behind schedule. We have updated our total load growth expectation for the year to be close to flat. The net earnings impact of these changes remains very small. At TNMP, we also hit new system peaks a few times over the quarter, and not only because of hotter temperatures. We have seen higher-than-expected demand-based loads, both from crypto and other customers. Weather-normalized volumetric load has been below our expectations, particularly in the third quarter, as customers began to see their bills from June and July and reduced their usage, along with some reductions when ERCOT called for conservation.

We have updated our expectations for the full year for both volumetric and demand-based load. We expect TNMP volumetric loads to come in between 0% and 1%, while demand-based load is expected to come in between 12% and 13%. Turning to slide 12, we have updated and rolled out our capital plan through 2027 for a total of $5.9 billion. At TNMP, as Don mentioned, we are funding additional projects to support high demand on our system and provide an increased level of reliability and resiliency, supported by Texas legislators this year. In the North Texas and the Gulf Coast areas, where our distribution load is located, this means replacing transformers and substations, trading out wood poles for steel, and adding new circuits and feeders.

For transmission loads, which are in all three of our regions, this means adding new points of interconnection on higher voltage lines. These investments have been prioritized to align with the new legislation, but they can be recovered under the existing TCOS or DCRF mechanisms. The new rulemaking and process may provide opportunities for additional recovery of costs and investments tied to resiliency plans. As Don pointed out, PNM's capital spending is now growing to just over $600 million per year. PNM's capital needs are also growing to accommodate the new resources and customer expansions discussed earlier. We have balanced the added capital with the impact on customer bills. On the graph in yellow, we've called out the investments for owned battery storage. All battery investments will have to go through a CCN filing in order to be approved.

We also shifted our grid modernization plans back one year to reflect the shifts in timing of the regulatory proceedings. In the table at the bottom of the page, we have provided the corresponding rate base for these investments. TNMP rate base grows at 14.5%, and PNM FERC rate base grows at 9.7%. These two jurisdictions utilize rate mechanisms to provide more timely recovery. Turning to slide 13, I'll provide an update on earnings guidance for the rest of the year and our long-term growth, including our financing plan. We're raising our earnings guidance for 2023 to a range of $2.75-$2.80. Higher transmission margins in the first part of the year, combined with the hot summer temperatures in the third quarter, increased earnings at both utilities.

These changes are partially offset by higher interest expense, lower transmission margins in the second half of the year, and lower fixed income performance in our decommissioning trust. On the equity side, we completed another $100 million of forward sales under our ATM program during the third quarter, fulfilling the $200 million of equity needs for this year. We plan to settle those forward sales contracts through the issuance of shares before year-end. The proceeds from the sale of NMRD, combined with the $200 million of equity this year and the $345 million of San Juan securitization bonds, will help strengthen our balance sheet and position us for future growth. As we look forward, we have assumed, on average, approximately $100 million a year of equity to help fund growth in our capital investments.

As usual, we leave our financing options open, and as market conditions change, we will consider other opportunities to optimize our funding. We continue to have $850 million of interest rate hedges in place through the end of the year and $600 million hedges in 2024 to mitigate the impacts of interest rates on our variable rate debt. Looking forward, if we are financing the business on a standalone basis, we will look to issue more permanent financing for this debt. Under these assumptions, we're comfortable extending our 5% growth target out to 2027 as we finance our rate-based growth in the current market environment. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Lisa. In addition Cranky Co-Workers Day, today is also Global Champagne Day. So before I open it up for questions, and in the spirit of champagne toast, I'd like to share some of our recent celebrations. This summer, the PNM Resources Foundation celebrated 40 years of giving. We just held our annual Day of Service and Safety Day at PNM and TNMP, and we hosted our largest annual customer assistance fair at PNM. TNMP was named Business of the Month at one of its local chamber of commerce. PNM was awarded a Sustainability Initiative of the Year from the Business Intelligence Group for our project to transfer critical water infrastructure at the San Juan Coal Plant to the Navajo Nation. So to everyone involved in each of these efforts, we raise a glass to you. Dave, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Good morning, everybody.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Morning, Ryan.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Morning, Ryan.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Morning.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Happy, I guess, with National Champagne Day or whatever Lisa highlighted. I guess a couple-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

It's both Champagne Day Cranky Co-Workers Day, Ryan. They gotta go together. Okay, go ahead.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay, great. In terms of the financing plan, so you highlighted $100 million of equity needs as part of your baseline plan. So just to clarify, that assumes the successful exit of the, of the renewable portfolio. And does that contemplate any incremental potential capital in Texas beyond what's outlined in your presentation today? Or can you give a little more color around what's embedded in that forecast?

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Yeah. So, we are looking to do $100 million on average for the next four years, and that does not include what we're doing this year, which is, you know, the $200 million of equity that we've already done, as well as the NMRD sale that we're expecting towards the end of the year or early next year.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

And then-

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

And regarding that sale, did you delay or extend the timeline from closing that from the fourth quarter to fourth quarter or early next year? And is there any color you could speak to as to why maybe the timeline is slipping a little bit?

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Yeah, we're going through the bid process, and our objective is towards the end of the year, but it can slip into the beginning of next year. We do have to go through a FERC filing in that sale, so that may also take a little time. And as you know, we don't know what's going to happen on November 17th, so we're taking that into account as well.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

We're lengthening our regulatory timeline, Ryan. Everything takes longer than we expected, so.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay. And then in terms of the hedge, the interest rate hedge for 2024, you know, how is that structured? At what rate is it hedged at? And does that hedge extend for the full calendar year, or is that only partial year, in terms of how that's positioned?

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Yeah, Ryan, this is we have a hedge of $600 million in total. The average price is around 3.5%. And it goes for the entire calendar year.

Ryan Levine
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay. Great. I'll stop there. Thank you.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Zimbardo with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Good morning, Paul.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

My Cranky Co-Worker, Julien, wanted to say hi. I think he's at the tail end now of getting-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Julien's never Cranky, Paul.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

He's getting new measurements to give to Lisa to prepare for EEI, so I made sure he got that done.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Okay.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

I give him a pass.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Okay.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

But, you know, thank you on the refresh. I was just hoping you could drill in a little more on the new five-year investment plan. Just are there opportunities to add more batteries into that outlook, whether, like, 2026 +, as well as renewables tail?

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Yeah, Paul, absolutely. You know, a couple of things that I mentioned was the 12 MW batteries to relieve the feeder constraints. And to kind of give you a feel, that's 6 MW on each feeder. And right now we have 18 feeders that are at that capacity. So there's always options there as we kind of look forward. Those feeders provide tremendous customer benefit in being able for the customer to connect to rooftop solar, and right now they're not able to because of those feeder constraints. So those are options. You know, we've talked about our 2026 RFP. Obviously, that's included in our capital plan. We will have a 2027 RFP that we're working through right now, as well, so that kind of pushes it out there. So that's that element of it.

In Texas, there's always opportunities as we file our grid resilience, but those have to always be balanced with customer impacts and the overall financing that we would do.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

Okay, great. Understood there. Then kind of at a high level, could you help walk from that 10.6% rate base CAGR to the 5% EPS CAGR? And I know you have the equity in there, which probably takes about 2.5% or so, but it seems like there's kind of some cushion or conservatism. I don't know if that's additional regulatory lag, parent cost, or something else.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yeah, good question. So I would say several things. You have a great regulatory construct in Texas, but it's still based on historical test years, and so you do have some regulatory lag. The same thing, first, we have a historical test year, and then there's also timing of rate cases. And so beyond that, you have the whole cost of financing, both from a debt and equity standpoint. So I think that those things are really what makes up the difference between the 10% rate-based growth down to 5% earnings growth.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

Okay, great. But, but nothing really different from the historical pattern, just regulatory lag and financing.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Correct.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

Yeah. Thank you, team. Appreciate it.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Paul.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hey, good morning, team. How are you?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Good. Good morning, Jonathan.

Paul Zimbardo
Managing Director, Bank of America

Good morning.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

I was wondering if you, you know, could expand on your understanding of, you know, the Supreme Court's options if they do remand the order back to the PRC. Can they narrowly define, you know, what issues the PRC can address or fix? Or does the PRC, you know, automatically have carte blanche?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

I thought you were going to ask us if we're in our Halloween costumes today or not, Jonathan, but I'll, I'll go ahead and answer your merger Supreme Court question.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

I think that's a given, their Halloween costumes, so...

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you, because we do have some Halloween costumes on today. So I wish we had an exact answer on what the Supreme Court can and can't do, and if you listen to the oral arguments, I think that they were maybe even a little questioning what they can do. But our belief is that they either remand it back or they don't. And again, obviously, depending on what the order on remand says, the commission will get to determine their next steps. But the commission should have wide latitude to determine what to reopen, assuming the Supreme Court kind of gives them, just says, "We remand it back to be fixed." I know that's a squishy answer, but it's a squishy process.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, so I mean, you do think the commission does have wide latitude, even if, I guess, the Supreme Court-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yeah, to address the order, they have wide latitude. They obviously can't go outside of the order, but they have, they have wide latitude to address the order.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. All right. Yeah, will be interesting to see how that comes out. So then, in terms of-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

We agree.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Yeah, that, that might be the understatement, right, of the year?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yes.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

So, how should we be thinking about, like, weather normalized EPS for 2023 then? If I'm understanding, like, slide 19 correctly, it shows, you know, above normal weather year to date has been, like, $0.14 positive in New Mexico and $0.05 in Texas. So if I subtract that $0.19 from, you know, kind of the new guidance midpoint of, you know, call it $2.78, it would put, you know, full year 2023 weather normalized EPS at $2.59, you know, which is actually below, I think, your initial 2023 guidance range of $2.60-$2.75. Like, is that fair? Is that how we should be thinking of it?

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Well, we've had strong weather in the third quarter, both across Texas and New Mexico. But we're also, when that happens, we also use that as an opportunity to do some extra, extra maintenance at the utilities.

...There's been other offsets in terms of our nuclear decommissioning trust. As you know, we have 80%, an asset allocation of 80% fixed income, and so when the fixed income market is dragging, that also has an impact. And then, we also have some interest expense exposure due to both timing of equity as well as the securitization issuance that we're planning to do later this year.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

But John, I would say the biggest thing is that we dynamically manage our O&M, and so when we have the opportunity to give the folks in the field some extra dollars, we always do that so that they can invest it in the safety and reliability and resiliency of the system. So that's the biggest flex there.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. So yes, we should think of it as you're kind of flexing that versus-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yeah. Yeah.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

the base business not performing as expected or something like that. Okay.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Correct. Correct.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

That makes sense. And then last, I think kind of following up with Paul's question, just trying to better understand what is or isn't in the new CapEx plan. So the 60 MW utility on battery storage project, that's in there, and that's represented by the yellow bars, right?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

That's correct.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, and then, for lack of a better word, the copycat projects of the 12 MW battery storage CCN, that's not in there at this point?

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

It's not in there. Just the, just the 12 MW is all that's in there, so.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. And then what about the potential transmission projects in Texas that you alluded to in your prepared remarks? Are any of those baked in?

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yes, they are all baked in.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Okay, are there like, is there any way to kinda categorize in, in what's in the, the budget, like, projects that, I guess we should view or not locked in, you know, depending on maybe regulatory approval, stuff like that? You know, like a certain amount of that at, at risk. I know, I know you already kinda walked through the potential upside.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

The 12 MW, even though it's completely unopposed, is in there in the regulatory process. We would expect to get approval for that. You know, Texas, those are strong projects that flow through, so we don't see any issues in that arena. Grid mod, we did move back one year, but we do expect to get grid mod approved in the capital budget. So those are projects that, you know, are fluid, but you know, we have the capabilities to deliver on them, so.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

They all have high probability of being approved, and then, you know, we always have other things we can slip in there if something, something doesn't get approved. We've, we've got the folks have lots of capital desires, so there's always enough to fill the pipeline.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. So anything that might slip out, yeah, you got other stuff that you think would-

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Slip back in.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Move.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Yeah.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Yeah, and, and Jonathan, we always balance that with customer impact, so we're always looking at the combination of the both. And as Pat said, there's always additional projects as we harden the system, so.

Lisa Eden
SVP, CFO, and Treasurer, PNM Resources

Yeah, and if you see in Texas, I mean, we have tremendous growth in Texas, particularly on the demand load side. And so that really, the need for capital investments in Texas is strong, and particularly when you think about the legislative session with the resiliency rider coming along, that's a good area for us to invest in.

Jonathan Reeder
Equities Research Associate Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Right. Right. Okay. Well, I appreciate you taking my questions, and look forward to seeing you at EI.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

We'll be there.

Don Tarry
President and COO, PNM Resources

Take care, Jonathan.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brandon Lee with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Brandon Lee
VP, Mizuho

Hi, Pat. Hi, Don. Thanks for taking my question. Most of my questions have been asked, but just wondering, so thanks for the disclosure on the $100 million of equity over the next few years. Just wondering if there's any alternative ways you could raise equity in lieu of issuing it, like you know, selling non-core assets or something like that. Thanks.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

You know, those are obviously alternatives, but we think issuing equity is the best way to do it. You know, we don't really have any non-core assets. We are obviously in the process of selling NMRD, and everything else is core to our business and would like to continue to invest in our business. And I'd rather raise equity and invest in the business and get a return on it than sell a piece of the business, so.

Brandon Lee
VP, Mizuho

Okay, perfect. That's all I had. Thanks.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. At this time, we have no further questions. This concludes our question- and- answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Pat Vincent-Collawn for any closing remarks.

Pat Vincent-Collawn
Chairman and CEO, PNM Resources

Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks at EI. Until then, make sure you raise a toast to your Cranky and Non-Cranky Co-Workers this evening, and have a safe and happy Halloween. Thank you all.

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