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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

Apr 18, 2017

Operator

Good morning. I'll be your conference operator today. Welcome to the UnitedHealth Group First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. A question and answer session will follow UnitedHealth Group's prepared remarks. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Here is some introductory information. This call contains forward-looking statements under U.S. federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical experience or present expectations. A description of the risks and uncertainties can be found in the reports that we file with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the cautionary statements included in our current and periodic filings. This call will also reference non-GAAP amounts. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP to GAAP amounts is available on the financial reports and SEC filings section of the company's investors page at www.unitedhealthgroup.com.

Information presented on this call is contained in the earnings release we issued this morning and in our Form 8-K, dated April 18th, 2017, which may be accessed from the investors page of the company's website. I would like now to turn the conference over to the Chief Executive Officer of UnitedHealth Group, Stephen Hemsley.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Good morning, thank you for joining us today. 2017 begins with stronger than expected revenue growth, reflecting improved customer retention and broad-based growth across UnitedHealth Group. This, in turn, was driven by our consistent focus on customer value, fundamental execution, and net promoter scores. We remain optimistic about 2017. Accordingly, we are modestly strengthening our revenue, earnings, and cash flow outlooks. Considerable national attention over the past three months has focused on U.S. healthcare and tax policies. We'll begin with some brief commentary there this morning. We have engaged with elected officials from both parties and at the federal and state levels to address improving quality, access, affordability, costs, and satisfaction for all stakeholders.

Affordability can be improved most in the immediate term through lower taxes. We hope Congress acts soon to permanently repeal the Health Insurance Tax before it further worsens consumers' premiums, state budgets, and senior benefits. We have no insight as to whether that will or will not occur. Accordingly, our plans continue to assume the tax will return in 2018, which will raise premiums and/or reduce benefits for commercial businesses, states, and our nation's senior population. In the longer term, policy changes that improve healthcare and the health system play to our strength. UnitedHealthcare delivers modern, innovative, high-performing, network-based health benefits with market-leading capabilities in consumer engagement, value-based reimbursement, network architecture, and clinical management. We tailor these capabilities to address the needs of programs of every type and the consumers they serve.

Optum's customers seek better data and analytics to improve decision-making in the doctor's office, in the ER and acute care settings, at points of consumer engagement, and on payer and employer desktops. As an open market integrator, Optum uniquely serves across all payers and care providers. Optum's own comprehensive clinical care delivery services have a highly compelling quality and cost profile. Optum offers pharmacy care that integrates with medical care to support a whole person's clinical experience. This UnitedHealth Group portfolio is flexible, adaptable, innovative, and positioned to contribute constructively to virtually any change agenda. We will continue to serve and grow through the changes that follow evolving social policy. A core part of that adaptability is we continue to broaden and strengthen our leadership team by developing executive talent. We routinely give proven leaders new challenges that deepen their experiences and skill sets.

UnitedHealth Group has a tradition of developing leaders in this way and doing so when our businesses are performing well, which is the best time for change. In this vein, we will highlight for you some of our most recent actions. UnitedHealthcare's executive leadership team has performed exceptionally well over the past few years. We have made a few changes to evolve that team. Steve Nelson will step forward as UnitedHealthcare's overall CEO, and Dan Schumacher will serve as president. Brian Thompson, Medicare & Retirement's CFO for the last several years, becomes its CEO. This UnitedHealthcare leadership team, anchored by Jeff Alter, Austin Pittman, Dan, and Steve for the last several years, will continue to operate as one team. They're committed to accelerating UnitedHealthcare efforts to drive growth and deepen the quality and consistency of its performance and its relationships in serving all stakeholders.

Optum's performance over the last five years under Larry Renfro's leadership has been nothing short of exceptional, we are laying the groundwork for even higher performance levels. Larry is evolving Optum's leadership team as well. Dirk McMahon, a 14-year UnitedHealth Group veteran, serving as Optum's operating president. John Prince is leading OptumRx. Eric Murphy, Optum's longstanding chief growth officer, has assumed leadership of OptumInsight. We're pleased to have Andrew Hayek, who has joined us by way of the SCA merger, assuming overall leadership for OptumHealth. Bill Miller has made the decision to spend less time on airplanes and more time with his family in Kansas City. Mark Thierer, who as the CEO of OptumRx, played a central role in leading the integration of OptumRx, has also decided to step back, take a well-earned and deserved rest, and pursue his own investment interests.

We deeply appreciate their exceptional leadership in advancing Optum and the many contributions they've made. We'll now begin our first quarter performance review with UnitedHealth Group Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, Larry Renfro. Larry?

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Thank you, Steve. As you said, it's the right time to evolve our leadership team. Veteran leaders with new focus, new energies, and high expectations, working with a mission from a platform like none other in healthcare. Across UnitedHealth Group, our team continues to deepen the disciplines of responsive service, consistent quality, innovation, and relationship trust, all in the context of our mission and our culture. We have meaningfully advanced the Net Promoter Score, NPS, across UnitedHealth Group and fully aligned our compensation systems with annual and long-term NPS goals. This year's first surveys of consumer NPS at UnitedHealthcare show scores rising four points in each of our commercial, Medicare & Retirement, and community and state businesses. Optum's results show strong satisfaction as well.

The greatest value of this discipline lies in the insights NPS provides, enabling our people to design focused action plans to improve the consumer, client, and care provider experience. Our enterprise-wide goal is ambitious. We are targeting a world-class NPS of 70 within seven years, or 70 in seven. For us, NPS is both an operating and a growth metric because our operational responses to customer needs increase trust, loyalty, retention, and reputation, and these ultimately translate to growth. Our businesses are experiencing consistently higher customer retention. We are becoming adept in relationship and pipeline development and management with a laser focus on our five high-growth markets for the enterprise. Those markets are technology-enabled information and services, clinical care delivery, pharmacy care services, consumer-centric benefits, and global opportunities. Alone, each one of these areas represents a substantial opportunity to serve.

Combined, they drive the next decade of growth for UnitedHealth Group. Turning to Optum's first quarter. We grew earnings from operations by $173 million year-over-year, a 16% earnings growth rate on revenue growth of $1.6 billion, virtually all organic. Operating margins expanded to 6% overall, and earnings from operations grew year-over-year by double-digit percentages for each reporting segment. Strong first quarter operating metrics provide visibility into continued revenue growth in 2017. Compared to the first quarter of last year, OptumHealth grew to serve six million more people, with average per capita revenues growing about 10%. OptumRx fulfilled 15 million more scripts, an above-market 5% growth rate. OptumInsight revenue backlog grew 19%, or $2.1 billion in the past 12 months, with more than one-half billion dollars added in the first quarter.

First quarter activity included the completion of our merger with Surgical Care Affiliates, a strategic addition to our Optum Care platform. SCA and its strong leadership team and outstanding workforce move us one more step toward creating the next generation of healthcare delivery. Clinical care that is community-focused, high quality, consumer-friendly, and cost-efficient. Today, we serve patients as an in-network care provider on behalf of more than 80 payers. We offer urgent care at nearly 250 neighborhood care centers. Primary care through local medical practices in nearly 30 markets with 22,000 dedicated physicians. House calls, 1.3 million home visits this year performed by 1,700 skilled certified nurse practitioners. Complex care management services both in-home and in nursing facilities. Now high-quality consumer and clinically differentiated surgeries in 33 states and more than 200 convenient freestanding surgical centers with top-flight medical partners in local health communities.

When we align and integrate enriched patient-level data and applied analytics with our own care delivery capabilities, we are better positioned to serve healthcare through more effective value-based contracts on a multi-payer basis, and that holds true for those we partner with as well. This effort, when fully scaled, yields more consistent health outcomes, lower cost, and greater convenience for patients and the health system as a whole. This will continue to evolve as we advance and connect these practices and patients and integrate their pharmacy and other ambulatory and acute services. We are just in the beginning phases of this multi-year effort. Optum Rx was selected last month as a pharmacy care partner by the Health Transformation Alliance, which represents Fortune 100 national employers. Proven Optum Rx capabilities in applying data and analytics to improve both pharmacy care and healthcare were important to earning this new opportunity.

We see the potential for multi-year growth through HTA following our notable business awards implemented in 2017 from several of the largest, most sophisticated customers in the market. Our health financial services capabilities continue to drive growth across channels, products, and platforms as well. The nation's second-largest retirement plan administrator, Empower Retirement, named OptumHealth its exclusive partner for health savings accounts. Empower helps people understand the direct connection between health and wealth and is offering customers Optum's HSAs and digital tools to help retirees and active workers plan and save for their future healthcare expenses. These examples further illustrate how we serve effectively as strategically interconnected businesses with platform-level capabilities. It has been over five years since we began One Optum, an effort that built a robust and growing first-generation information and technology-enabled health services platform.

Many of you have tracked Optum's success in bringing a differentiated approach to helping customers better solve their complex problems. This year, our revenues are on pace to triple from 2011, and we are continuing efforts to align and integrate our businesses, to position leadership, to build deeper relationships, and to focus on mission, culture, and growth. Today, we are driving a second-generation One Optum effort to position Optum to truly enable a better-performing healthcare system from the local community to national and global levels. Our first quarter demonstrates we are on track to achieve the strong level of results in 2017 we have discussed with you, and we plan to enter 2018 with considerable momentum. Let me turn it over to Dave.

Dave Wichmann
President and CFO, UnitedHealth Group

Thank you, Larry. UnitedHealthcare began the year with exceptional results. Outside the ACA individual market, the business grew to serve 2.5 million more people year-over-year and 1.5 million more people in the first three months of 2017. This continues a multi-year run of seven-figure membership growth, performance that remains distinctive in the market year after year, an expectation we remain committed to for years to come. Our commitment to improving consumer value in healthcare drives us to continually improve healthcare quality and lower healthcare costs. Medical costs remain well controlled. Current year cost trends are running in line with our expectations. As you are all aware, the Health Insurance Tax was deferred in 2017, reducing premiums for customers in 2017 and adding about 150 basis points year-over-year to our consolidated Medical Care Ratio.

Absent this impact, our first quarter Medical Care Ratio improved, mostly due to our significantly reduced participation in ACA individual offerings. Our consistent focus and innovation around medical cost performance and consumer experience continue to drive customer loyalty, leading to higher retention and strengthened growth. Let's look at growth by business and product, starting with employer and individual. In commercial offerings, we grew to serve 480,000 more people in the first quarter, 225,000 through risk-based products and 255,000 through fee-based offerings. As you are well aware, last year, we made the difficult decision to reposition our ACA individual offerings, given our views on the sustainability of that market segment. At the same time, we remain committed to working with states and federal policymakers to find ways to offer these markets and the uninsured more viable and sustainable health benefits.

The year began strongly in the public and senior sector as well, with the number of people served increasing by more than 1 million in total, including more than 300,000 people in Medicaid and 675,000 people in Medicare Advantage, about half of which were in employer retiree programs. Consumers are responding to our strong and consistent quality, distinctive star ratings, clinical engagement, stable premiums and benefits, and the service experience our employees deliver. Across UnitedHealthcare, we are growing both through increased penetration in longstanding markets and through geographic expansion in Maricopa County, Arizona, in the western slopes of Colorado, and in Upstate New York as examples. Our clinical engagement has been increasingly differentiated as we care for a greater mix of members with higher care needs. The dual-eligible special needs, or D-SNP market, is a good example.

The dually eligible make up just 15% of the total Medicaid population, but they account for roughly 35% of the total Medicaid spending. This demand on healthcare resources reveals the need to deliver highly coordinated and integrated health and social solutions that improve consistency of access and care, decrease the use of unnecessary services in high-cost settings, and ultimately reduce costs without diluting care. While these individuals' health needs are more complex, they have been historically served in unmanaged environments. Only 2 million of the dually eligible are currently enrolled in managed care, while nearly 9 million remain largely unmanaged in state-based fee-for-service systems. So far in 2017, we have entered into five new state markets, and we expect to serve nearly 100,000 more dually eligible people in total this year.

UnitedHealthcare's core capabilities align with serving individuals with complex needs and helping them maintain their quality of life, which benefits the individuals, their families, and the state and federal program sponsors tasked with financing their care. By the end of this year, we expect to serve more than one-quarter of the 2 million dual special needs plan beneficiaries enrolled in managed care nationwide. We see D-SNP as a new and early-stage market with great potential to grow by serving those with challenging needs. Last, on the subject of growth, more broadly and as a reminder, while we continue to see real opportunity for growth, we are disciplined and firm about participating only in those markets that remain sustainable and will make the tough decisions to exit unsustainable markets, as demonstrated by recent exchange actions and selective Medicaid exits in the past.

Taken as a whole, the UnitedHealthcare businesses grew revenues this quarter by $4.2 billion, or 12% year-over-year to $40.1 billion. That is despite foregoing $1.6 billion in quarterly revenues or five percentage points of the year-over-year growth from the ACA insurance market withdrawals and the Health Insurance Tax moratorium. Earnings from operations exceeded $2.1 billion in the quarter, growing 15%, fully in line with our top-line growth in the quarter. Bringing the quarter together on a consolidated basis, UnitedHealth Group grew revenues of nearly $49 billion, grew 9.4%. Consolidated earnings from operations were $3.4 billion, and our net earnings to shareholders grew 35% year-over-year to nearly $2.2 billion in the quarter. First quarter adjusted EPS rose 31% to $2.37 per share. Overall, we now expect 2017 revenues of approximately $200 billion and adjusted net earnings per share to be in a range from $9.65 to $9.85 per share.

This is an increase of $0.30 per share from the midpoint of our outlook in January, partly from an improved tax rate in the area of 32.5% for the full year. The tax rate improvement is driven by a number of factors, about half of which are more discrete in nature, such as share-based compensation, and half which we would expect to be more sustainable into the future. We expect our full year fully diluted share count to be approximately 980 million shares, and we have increased our expectations for cash flows from operations to approximately $12 billion this year. With these considerations, we expect second quarter adjusted earnings per share to be largely consistent with the first quarter earnings we reported this morning. Steve?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Thank you, Dave. We remain positive and constructive with respect to our organization's potential to better serve the health and well-being of individuals and improve the health system overall, fulfilling our mission to help people live healthier lives and to make the health system work better for everyone. In fully responding to the market needs we see every day, we'll realize the remarkable potential of this enterprise. As we do that with consistent excellence, I'm confident we will continue to experience diversified, balanced, and consistent growth as we've seen today. Thank you for your interest today, and operator, let's turn to questions. Again, one question at a time. We'll try to get to all of them this morning.

Operator

The floor is now open for questions. At this time, if you have a question or comment, please press star one on your touch-tone phone. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing the pound key. We ask that you limit yourself to one question per person so we can get as many participants as possible. We'll go to our first question from Peter Costa with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Peter Costa
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hi. Thanks, guys. A lot of management changes there. Can you talk about if there's any reason why you're doing them now? Does it have anything to do with sort of the selling season coming into 2018 going forward?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Peter, I don't really have anything to offer other than what we did. We develop and think about these changes in advance. We evolve them in our organization. We do these things when things are really, I think, in strong order. I think our tradition has been to do these every between two and three years. We're excited about it. I think it provides fresh, new focus, a lot of energy. We have a tremendous leadership team, great depth. We have a lot of talent to choose from, and in many respects, we move from one spot to another to broaden experience as well. I wouldn't read anything more than we feel very comfortable taking these steps at this point in time.

Peter Costa
Analyst, Wells Fargo

You're anticipating the 2018 selling season to be similar to the past seasons or how are you factoring it?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Well, we think pretty positively about 2018. We'll have some challenges with respect to the Health Insurance Tax as it sits right now. As a total enterprise and our opportunities, I think you can see momentum growing in our business here for the last couple of years, and we expect that to carry through into 2018.

Peter Costa
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thank you.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

We do expect a strong 2018.

Peter Costa
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Dave Windley with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Dave Windley
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi, good morning. My question is kind of a follow-up on the last, which is on the Health Insurance Tax, by what point would you need to know whether that moratorium will be extended or if it'll be permanently eliminated in order to price appropriately for 2018? Or has that date already passed? If the Health Insurance Tax is reinstated for 2018, what impact would you expect that to have on growth in Medicare Advantage? Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure. We'll parse those questions up. I think Dan will talk about

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Sure. Good morning, Dave.

Dave Windley
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi.

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Obviously from our perspective, we have been long supporters of the permanent repeal of the Health Insurance Tax. At the end of the day, obviously, it just increases the cost of healthcare, makes it less affordable, and compromises people's ability to gain coverage. We are certainly advocating along those lines. As we think about the tax itself, obviously, we've got to deal with it as it sits currently in law. That's what we are doing. We're planning accordingly. We are incorporating it in pricing. We're also incorporating it in our thinking as we plan our benefits in Medicare. In terms of timing, there's different timings based on the businesses. Obviously small business starts to resolve itself clearly now and into May for next year. Large group takes later in the commercial process.

As you look at the Medicare business, that first Monday in June is when we're doing our filing. As it sits right now, we will plan accordingly and incorporate it. As you think about if it were repealed, obviously we talked about the benefit of the moratorium in 2017 and sized that in the $0.25 EPS range. Obviously, when it went out versus when it would come back in, the size of that, if it were to stay, is about a 30% increase in the tax itself. Obviously we've done well to grow market share over that time. You can expect that if the tax comes back in, it would come back in at a greater impact than what we talked about for 2017. Hopefully that covers it.

Dave Windley
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

You bet.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Josh Raskin with Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Josh Raskin
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks. Good morning. My question is just on a sort of a retail presence. I'm just curious, do you think UnitedHealth Group overall would benefit from a larger retail footprint beyond just urgent care centers? Where does that stack up on your list of priorities in terms of capital deployment and what you want to do?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Interesting question. I think we're actually gaining market presence through Optum Care and that growing portfolio. I think we've probably not talked much about this, but we've also tried to increase our community presence in our UnitedHealthcare benefits in terms of we do offer some storefronts, kiosks. That is a coming trend, but I think we'll take that in a measured way. I think the other thing, Josh, to think about is your digital presence, if you think about it, whether retail is or physical presence is as strategic today as digital presence might be. We've obviously taken some really powerful steps in terms of developing digital capabilities through the Rally platform and our other applications. We are moving out in both those directions, and we'll take it in a measured way and make sure that we're staging into the marketplace and that presence thoughtfully.

Josh Raskin
Analyst, Barclays

Okay.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Beyond that, I don't think I can offer too much.

Josh Raskin
Analyst, Barclays

That's perfect.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Scott Fidel with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Scott Fidel
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks. I had a question just if you can talk about how you're calcing out the final MA rates for 2018 and any swing factors that you saw or whether that was pretty straightforward. Then just also separately just related to MA, maybe just give us an update on how claims experience seems to be tracking so far in the MA book particularly in terms of the new members that you've added so far this year. Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure, I think in the benefits, obviously, will be more measured because that is more strategic, et cetera. Brian, you want to respond?

Brian Thompson
CEO, Medicare and Retirement, UnitedHealthcare

Sure. Thank you. Good morning, Scott. With respect to the rates, we do continue to be concerned about the underfunding of the MA program. I think this is now 13% in cuts since 2010. The final rates were, I believe, 45 basis points of improvement year-over-year to the industry. Still in positive territory, but less than what we did experience a year ago. I do believe, though, our stars advance in 2018 will help us relative to the industry, and will help us as we continue to navigate through this funding environment to provide what is one of our number one priorities around benefit stability for underlying members. As we think about the growth that we're experiencing, we're three months in. What we're seeing is aligning to our expectations, both in terms of mix and cost profiles, and we are very pleased with our industry-leading growth.

As you know, about half of that growth is coming from our group business with the balance inside our individual. I can't emphasize enough the role retention has played. I believe this is the third consecutive year where we'll be breaking our own performance records on member retention. That is the biggest driver of our individual growth this year over last. As Dave mentioned at the outset, the themes are the same as a year ago. Stability in our offerings and our network, the advancements we've shown in our quality, as evidenced with our stars, continued improvement in engagement and satisfaction with our house calls. When you wrap it all up, we're certainly pleased with what we're seeing, and I think this growth is a positive validation of the priorities we've been focused on.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Okay, thanks.

Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Kevin Fischbeck with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Kevin Fischbeck
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, great. Thanks. Just want to go, I guess, to Larry's comments about momentum heading into 2018 in Optum, because I guess when we look at this year, Q1 Optum growth for all three businesses was less than the annual number for 2016. When you talk about momentum into next year, obviously the absolute growth rates are still pretty strong, but it's been decelerating over the last couple of years. When you talk about momentum to 2018, are we talking about consistent growth, re-accelerating growth? How do we think about that context? Of those businesses, which business do you feel most confident about seeing that momentum into 2018?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I'll let Larry take that, I think the growth across Optum has been pretty impressive, and each year they drive bigger numbers, so they're growing off a bigger platform. I think people lose sight of the sheer size and scale of Optum. Larry, you can handle this yourself.

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure. Kevin, Let me approach it a couple of different ways. We have put together, obviously, our plans in terms of how we attack the market for the first five years, we're in the process, as we talked about early, that we are developing a second generation plan that we're going forward with right now. When we are looking at sales and we're looking at growth, we look at certain factors as an organization, Pretty much everybody in Optum operates off of these factors. Number one would be the backlog that we talked about being up about $2.1 billion year-over-year. We talked about, I guess we didn't get into what we look at in terms of our sales pipeline that finished 2016 at about $30 billion, and that was up from 2015 at about $10 billion.

You look at our overall sales in terms of the TCV, and that was probably what I just said, the $10 billion-$30 billion in sales and the overall pipeline would be about $30 billion. That has been tremendous growth in terms of how we look at it. If we look at the first quarter of 2017, I don't want to go into the numbers, but I would tell you it is a record quarter in terms of overall sales. Some of the factors that might enter into this in terms of overall revenue that might make you think something that might be a little bit different is that if you just look at Catamaran or you look at what we are doing in Optum Rx, we are absolutely having scale and efficiency that is driving a better customer. It is totally driving better customer value.

As a result of that, some of those numbers might look a little different. I am going to ask Tim to talk a little bit about that in a second. I think that as we look into 2018, we think that we are very well positioned. We think that we are on target with all of our expectations. We have the five growth areas that we are focused on, the government services, what we are doing in Optum Care, what we are doing with pharmacy care services, technology services, as well as international. We feel very gung-ho about 2018. Tim, maybe comment a little bit on the Optum Rx side.

Tim Wicks
CFO, Optum

Great. Thanks, Larry. Kevin, Tim Wicks, I am CFO of Optum. Just wanted to follow on with what Larry talked about in terms of the integration efforts at Optum Rx. I think one of the things that is really important to understand is that as we continue to drive progress our integration efforts are deepening. This is really translating into lower drug costs for consumers and customers, and it is really a key part of helping us drive earnings growth performance year-over-year. Our expectation is that we are going to continue to make progress around the levers that we are driving around the integration efforts that Larry referenced. Thank you.

Operator

We will take our next question from A.J. Rice with UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

A.J. Rice
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Hi, everybody. Maybe I'll just ask a broad question around the evolving landscape in Washington and your thoughts on that. We're not really sure where the ACA repeal and replace is at this point, but some of the things have been discussed, such as easing up on the essential benefit package, giving more flexibility with respect to the ratings bands, shifting more discretion overall for healthcare to the states. I wonder, do you guys have a strong view on that? I'd also ask you, if we do a pivot to tax policy, are there any, obviously, a lot of domestic earnings, almost all domestic earnings you have, we'd assume you'd be a beneficiary, but is there any nuances around that we should think about? Then finally, on the regulatory, CMS has asked the industry to offer up suggestions on the regulatory front.

Is there anything that either you or the industry would highlight on that score?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure, A.J. It's probably not often that we say this, but if you really actually have been following the media with respect to the activities with respect to healthcare policy, I would say that the media has been very accurate with respect to the narrative that is going on there and the elements, many of which you suggest. I think if you are following the media, generally speaking, you'd be up to speed, and we couldn't probably offer any more insights than that. In our prepared remarks, we obviously focused on the Health Insurance Tax because that, as Dan said, is going into the marketplace now for 2018, and that has an impact on affordability and the uptake of participation in those markets. We are strong advocate of repealing that and to taking that action as quickly as possible.

Tim Wicks
CFO, Optum

Beyond that, we have engaged, we think, pretty constructively around the notion of, and I think you can see this in our published materials on our website, that we see actually a marketplace that could be pretty constructive based upon more orientation to state-based markets, more flexibility in the marketplace, really seeing Medicaid as programs that have grown in effectiveness and have become broadly recognized as actually very efficient healthcare coverage for the populations to which they apply. The elements that you mentioned, the flexibility with respect to underwriting activities and so forth, we think those all would be covered in what we would see as more flexible state-based markets that are actually more under the control of those that are closer to the market in the state.

I think all those things are really in conversation, but I think it's really more around what is politically possible, maybe in contrast to what might be the most effective policies that could be applied. I would say that the tone has been generally more positive, and access has been more available. There is a little bit more of a constructive posture. We remain hopeful that as this policy evolves, that it could be better for coverage for American people and return to the innovation and flexibility of the marketplace, and that we think healthcare will benefit from that. Corporate tax, I think, broadly will benefit broadly across America in terms of economics, in terms of companies' outlooks. In our sector, we'd be similar to that.

We have high effective tax rates, and we think that a tax reform at the corporate level will be good for consumers. It will play back into their benefits. We think it'll be good for employment levels, and we would obviously benefit from that, and it will be good in terms of just the overall level of resources that we dedicate at the corporate tax line. We would be an advocate of thoughtful tax reform, and I think the majority of American industry would.

A.J. Rice
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Sarah James with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Sarah James
Analyst, Piper Jaffray

Thank you. If I look at the Medicaid RFP pipeline for the next two or three years, it has a good amount of rebids as opposed to new contracts. If I think further out, a lot of the new opportunity is in the higher acuity populations. How do you think about the influence of competitive rebids and a shift to higher acuity populations on the long-term margin profile of your Medicaid book? What do you see as the organic growth profile of Medicaid?

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Yeah, I actually think both are positive trends. Austin?

Austin Pittman
CEO, UnitedHealthcare Community and State, UnitedHealthcare

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Sarah. First and foremost, the RFP pipeline, remains strong. You hit it as you said, well, there's both new populations coming into Medicaid. There are new geographies being expanded within existing states, and there are greenfield states that are looking to continue the move. I think it's just a measure of the continued value year after year that managed Medicaid has provided to consumers and to our state partners. We don't see a slowdown in that movement. The movement in populations with more complex needs, I think Dave actually touched on this in his opening comments, really plays to the core capabilities of UnitedHealthcare and Optum both.

When you combine the data analytics capability, the clinical insights, the local delivery mechanisms that we have now got in place, combining physical, behavioral, and social needs, we really feel like we have established a real foothold in serving these populations. We are very pleased with the response we have gotten from consumers in the D-SNP category that Dave spoke to. We have seen the consumer experience continue to improve. We have got NPS now over 74, just really outstanding. We are not going to rest on that. We are going to continue to learn to serve these populations better and better. You are right, we think that will continue to be an area of significant growth that plays to our strengths. With regard to the earnings profile, like all of our government programs, we expect that to be in the 3%-5% margin range, and certainly will be on a higher revenue base.

When you look at the membership growth, you will have to adjust for the type of members those are, because those more complex needs members do drive a higher revenue PMPM.

Operator

We will take our next question from Justin Lake with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Justin Lake
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Thanks. Good morning. My question is broadly around the UHC business. Just given the strength here, curious if you can give us some directional color, at least, in terms of how the segments within that business are performing in terms of margin and profitability. Then Dan, your comments on the Health Insurance Tax are really helpful. A lot of questions here. Just hoping maybe you could take that one last step further and help us put a range around the EPS headwind it would present in 2018 if it is not repealed versus the $0.25 tailwind that it is adding this year. Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Okay, Dan, you want to pick up where you left off?

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Sure. Good morning, Justin.

Justin Lake
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Morning.

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

I appreciate the attempt on the Health Insurance Tax. I think we'll leave specific sizing to that for our investor conference and also obviously a better understanding of what the actual law will be as we step into 2018. As it relates to your question around the UHC businesses, as Dave mentioned in the prepared remarks, we were able to drive a 12% revenue growth rate across the platform, and if you adjust for the impacts of the Health Insurance Tax and the individual ACA, the reduction in our footprint there, we drove closer to about a 17% growth rate in our UnitedHealthcare business. As you look underneath that, we had really nice growth in every one of our business platforms. The driver of that revenue growth that we're seeing pull through to our earnings base is really the enrollment expansions.

As you look at each of our business platforms, it's happening in the places that frankly, we have an opportunity to deliver greater value and greater returns. As you look at the commercial business, we're growing nicely inside that group, commercial fully insured business in Medicare, it's in Medicare Advantage and in Medicaid orienting towards, as Austin just talked about, more complex and more vulnerable populations, all which have more revenue content and likewise have strong earnings potential for us as a business. On balance, very strong medical cost, well controlled and very much in keeping with our expectations. We're pleased with the first quarter.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Favorable mix.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ralph Jacoby with Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Ralph Jacoby
Analyst, Citi

Thanks. Good morning. Just want to go back to that last question, specifically on the UnitedHealthcare margins. 5.3% this quarter, you ended last year around those levels. I guess what we're looking for is maybe a sense of where margins currently sit across each end market at this point, where you still see room for expansion, obviously understanding that population shifts are going to impact that. Just want to understand where there still is upside for margin expansion in each of the end markets. Thanks.

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Sure. Ralph, this is Dan again. As far as the end markets and the margins, obviously, we've guided to and talked about government-based margins in the 3% to 5% range and across our Medicare and Medicaid portfolios that we're operating within those ranges, and we obviously endeavor to perform towards the high end of that range. On the commercial business, we're in the mid to upper single digits and performing well in that business. As we think about margin expansion, or I'd say earnings growth more specifically, we're looking to orient and drive our earnings growth more from volume. Continuing to serve more consumers across our broad and diversified platform, and where there's opportunity, we'll look to expand margins as well, but feeling good about our positioning in each of our businesses.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Better and better medical care management.

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

No doubt.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

That's commercial and Medicare being the strongest and probably Medicaid follows that, right? Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Chris Rigg with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Chris Rigg
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Good morning. Wanted to see if you could provide any more color around the goals and Net Promoter Score. First, can you just give us the basis? I know you said a four-point improvement across the three segments. Where you are today. More importantly for investors, we think 70 in seven years, what does that mean for capital deployment priorities? Is it you're going to need to look externally to buy capabilities, or is it more about just putting money back into what you already have? Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

That's a great question, I could spend a half a day on that. Dave, you want to take that this morning?

Dave Wichmann
President and CFO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure. Thanks, Chris. Great question. Appreciate it. As Larry stated, we've meaningfully advanced our NPS disciplines in the business, I'd say over, call it about two years now or so. As he also indicated, we've now fully aligned it to our compensation systems, which should give you some sense as to how we feel about the integrity of the data that we're receiving and also the ability of our organization to actually influence these results. Both businesses have shown very meaningful progress, that's across the consumer, client, and care provider scores as well. We do look at this in a multidimensional way. We generate a wide range of performance across our business.

Like anything, we measure this over multiple different cells in our business, our performance does range out quite widely, which is one of the objectives that we have over this time period, which is to get to more consistency, which will lead to a greater support of our UnitedHealthcare and Optum and other brands across our business overall. We gave you an expectation of a 70 in seven years, it's unlike us to actually think and report out on a seven-year basis. We're basically telling you the same things that we've engaged our employees around, which is to have them seek to meaningfully improve our performance across multiple dimensions in our business. That's exactly what they do. They do this by analyzing why people promote our products, why there are detractors in our products.

That deep analytic, then the action plans that are developed around that are what really provide the substance to this program, and the achievement as measured is critical and important. We just called out the achievements of UnitedHealthcare this morning. We could easily have done the same for Optum. They've improved just so far in this first quarter alone by four points apiece, which all the NPS statisticians out there would suggest that is a meaningful and statistical improvement year-over-year. While this 70 is kind of an aggregated number, if you will, it does mark a plan, if you will, of achievement over the course of seven years towards a greater satisfaction, if you will, and a greater reference point of consumers, clients, and care providers of our business.

I'd suggest to you that's on a baseline of about 40 or so today, which is a meaningful score, a meaningful place, if you will. Honestly, what we're trying to do is to reorient what our expectations are around satisfactory service and performance broadly as an organization. In terms of capital deployment, it's already found its way into the way in which we operate our call centers, how we process claims, how we handle adjustments and callbacks from consumers, and how we engage with the marketplace broadly. I wouldn't see this as something that's going to be capital intensive. It is something that just shapes the way in which we spend our CapEx annually and likely will result in additional investment across the business. Again, our goal here is to create a higher NPS, which drives greater trust with the marketplace. Trust begets loyalty begets growth.

You're starting to see that shape up in the retention across our business. Retention's important. It gives us greater predictability in our business overall, it also provides a great launching pad for growth into the future.

Chris Rigg
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

That's great. Thanks a lot.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Great answer.

Operator

We'll take our next question from-

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I think it comes down to how we spend that capital and doing it effectively. I don't think it's a more capital issue. It'll give us insight to how we spend it more effectively. Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Lance Wilkes with Sanford C. Bernstein. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Lance Wilkes
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein

Just wanted to ask a little bit about the PBM growth outlook, and in particular for Optum Rx. What is the composition of clients looking like going forward? How much do you think you're going to be able to improve on penetration in your UHC self-insured block there? What's the outlook for the margin profile as that evolves going forward?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Maybe Dirk, you want to offer to start that out, then John Prince?

Dirk McMahon
President and COO, Optum

Yeah, I would say that we talked a little bit about the 2016 momentum that we had sold to some fairly sophisticated buyers throughout 2016. In the script, we also talked about the Health Transformation Alliance. Again, we were chosen as a partner for that group. From that perspective, I think our value proposition is resonating with the sophisticated buyer population. I would say, in answer to your question about how we would further penetrate within UnitedHealthcare, I think it just goes back to our synchronization value story. Our ability to take in the medical data, the pharmacy data, take that in with our next best action protocols, and have our call service agents get people into disease management and clinical management programs. I think from a value proposition standpoint, that'll drive with UnitedHealthcare.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

John?

Dirk McMahon
President and COO, Optum

More broadly about the market, I turn it over to John to talk about what we're seeing in this year's selling season.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Great.

John Prince
CEO, OptumRx, OptumRx

Great.

Thanks, Dirk. Good morning, Lance. This is John Prince, the CEO of OptumRx.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

In terms of 2018, we're still early in the season, but I'd say it's shaping up to be a very robust season compared to last year. Our differentiator offering is really resonating in the market in terms of the sync story. Our pipeline, very similar to last year, includes large government, labor, payer, and employer bids. It's a very robust market in terms of the diversity. There's also a lot of large strategic opportunities which are in line with our expectations. The RFP volume, as well as the mix of clients, is as expect in terms of expectations. I think it's shaping up to be a very solid year. In terms of pricing competition, pricing remains robust in the market, but disciplined. We're also excited about that and also very excited about how the market's responding to our solution.

John Prince
CEO, OptumRx, OptumRx

Similar to last year, our differentiator offering in terms of sync, focusing on managing drug costs as well as the total cost of healthcare, is really resonating in the market. In terms of answering your last question with the margin, our margin expectations haven't changed. We're still expecting a 3%-5% long-term outlook for the market. Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Baker with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks a lot. My question's for Dirk. Given the fact that you're headed back to Optum in a more elevated role, could you give us a sense of your top three priorities?

Dirk McMahon
President and COO, Optum

I think to start off with, my first one is to make UnitedHealthcare and Optum work better together. That would be number one. I think I have a good perspective of what works from a value creation standpoint and works from a customer standpoint across both business platforms, and I would start with that. I would add on too, from an NPS perspective, Dave mentioned that. NPS is very important. Pharmacy care services is the most heavily used benefit within the healthcare space. I think making sure that that operates well is important, and we've really gotten off to a good start there. I would also say, making sure that with respect to some of the integration that we have, and it's still continuing, I would say that's another area where it would be a high priority for me.

The last thing I would say is from a technology standpoint, Optum technology, making sure that we deliver on the technology as needed across the enterprise on behalf of our customers. One of the big things is simplification from a technology standpoint, from an NPS standpoint. What I would say is that's a good place to focus as well.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Next question, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Sheryl Skolnick with Mizuho. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Sheryl Skolnick
Analyst, Mizuho

Thank you very much. I had been wondering when the management shift or rotation would occur. It seems like it was a long time. Nice to see the company is strong enough to be able to do that at this time and do it so easily with talented folks. The question that I have, though, is if we could I almost hate to ask the managed care question, but I will. If we could dig down into the cost trend a little bit. You usually give us a breakdown on how much you see in utilization of inpatient versus outpatient, perhaps pharmacy trends. If we can think about this from a value-based perspective, what, if anything, are you seeing in any differences over time in the composition of your cost trend?

If you can sort of step back and analyze that a little bit, now that you're in the care provider business pretty strongly with Optum Care on the one side, and certainly your network construction on the other, what should we be thinking about those shifts and how we might see the composition of the cost trend changing over time, even if the level stays relatively constant?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I'll start out with a few themes and then ask my colleagues on the UnitedHealthcare side to pick it up. I guess, Sheryl, a good question and a thoughtful one. We have been seeing a pretty steady movement of services into, I'll say, the outpatient setting or out into the community. We have been following them with the Optum Care platform and kind of encouraging that, and thinking that that is a more ideal setting in which to engage and do those services. We actually think the care technology is facilitating that. It is the procedures are getting simpler and more advanced. The rehabilitation processes, the care processes, and so forth all play to that.

Also, I think we've been pretty consistent about suggesting that we've seen more in terms of specialty pharma application, diagnostic testing, and those have been more of the trends than the acute care setting has been. I would say that we're pretty hopeful and optimistic that a better, let's say, a better formulation or application of resources in the community setting holds a lot of benefit, particularly as consumers are becoming more knowledgeable, more information is available to them, and they're being more engaged in picking the right settings for the services they need. Dan, you want to pick up on this?

Dan Schumacher
President and COO, UnitedHealthcare

Sure. Thanks, Steve. In addition to, I think, what you did well to describe is some of that shift from the acute care setting to ambulatory setting, and that shift that comes from inpatient to outpatient. I think the other place, Sheryl, that

I would point to is a greater investment around a physician. Really them at the center of the care continuum and making investments in really connecting care in a whole person way and investing in primary care in particular. As we think about the composition of where our spend is going, we do see shifts from inpatient to outpatient, a greater investment towards a physician, and then obviously, some of the comments that Steve made with regard to pharmacy inside it.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Maybe Andrew, you have some perspectives, a new voice and a fresh perspective on that.

Andrew Hayek
Chairman and CEO, SCA, Surgical Care Affiliates

Thanks, Steve. I would echo what's been said. We do see across Optum Care, which of course includes SCA and also our neighborhood care centers and medical groups, the opportunity for more care to occur in the outpatient setting, improving the experience, quality, and cost of healthcare, and improving the provider experience. We're excited about what we see and the opportunity ahead.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

We're seeing the consumer more comfortable coming into these venues, and that's also a really encouraging thing. Great question, and we'll continue to focus on that. Next, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ana Gupte with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Ana Gupte
Analyst, Leerink Partners

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to get some more color more broadly on your Optum margin outlook and your targets. In a point in time, you've seen some margin expansion this quarter in Insight and in Rx, not in Health. Do you still have, as a priority, a stretch goal with margin expansion? You used to have one before Catamaran, and where is the most leverage in the model by segment? Is it in Optum Care, in OptumHealth, or in Insight or elsewhere?

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

We do, and I think Larry alluded to that in terms of revisiting One Optum.

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I'm going to ask Tim to comment on this, but going back to, I think, what you were talking about, the model we had was something called, at one point in time it was 15 by 15, and then it was 8 by 16. What Steve's alluding to, we've kind of played those two through, and now we're in the process of putting together a new five-year business plan that we're calling the second generation. There will be an emphasis on a lot of different things, but margin will be part of that. I'll ask Tim to comment on that.

Tim Wicks
CFO, Optum

Sure. Thank you, Larry. Thanks, Ana. A couple of things to consider, as Larry mentioned, about the energy that we're putting around the second generation of One Optum. There is a significant amount of work around ensuring that we're investing in the areas where we see growth opportunities to be able to drive sustainable growth in the future. I think it's important to consider that we make investments in our businesses really focused around our ability to grow and to have confidence in the growth in those areas. I'd say, a great example of that is revenue at OptumHealth in the first quarter grew 18% year-over-year, and OptumHealth earnings grew 11% while we made strategic investments across the platform, including MedExpress, care delivery, significant growth in health call capacity, and implementing new behavioral clients.

As Larry alluded to, as we think about the diverse portfolio across Optum, including margin expansion in Insight and Rx, we expanded overall Optum margin by 40 basis points while making the investments that I just described in OptumHealth. That we think about it as a pretty seamless approach to driving investment in the businesses where we see growth and being able to drive overall earnings growth as well broadly across Optum. Thank you.

Ana Gupte
Analyst, Leerink Partners

Thank you.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Next, please.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Newshel from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Newshel
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks. Good morning. Can you give us an update on M&A and new contracts internationally? It looks like you just got regulatory approval for another small provider acquisition in Brazil, and there are potentially some more assets there for sale. Are you looking to do more deals, and what's your focus in terms of provider versus insurance assets? Second, is there any update on international opportunities on the Optum side as well, in the U.K. in particular? Thanks.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure. We'll start with Dave.

Dave Wichmann
President and CFO, UnitedHealth Group

Sure. Thank you, Mike. A good question. As you've noted, we have been somewhat active in Brazil, and we have been over the five-year duration that we've owned Amil, which we now refer to as UnitedHealth Group Brazil, constituting Amil, the benefits business, Américas Serviços Médicos, which is our healthcare delivery business, and then Optum as an emerging services business there as well. We're very curious about M&A broadly across our business. As you know, we don't comment specifically on individual targets. We do see, broadly across our business, M&A as a way to continue to invest the very strong cash flows of this enterprise. I would suggest to you that our interests are primarily in the Optum Services markets, as you see us particularly investing in Optum Care.

We do have interest in select very thoughtful capital deployment in international markets as well as some plug-in work that we'll continue to do at UnitedHealthcare overall. That's what I'd suggest to you are our priorities.

Michael Newshel
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay, thank you.

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

This is Larry. I'll comment on Optum and then what we're doing in the U.K. As something to just relate to in the United States, we always talk about 75 market strategy. If you were in the U.K., we would talk about a 44 market strategy. They have developed a mechanism that they call strategic transformation plans. They have linked together their trust, and their trust would equal their hospitals. They have multiple hospitals that are in these STPs, as they call them. In early February, we won our first business, first step of a process with one of those STPs, and that's where you're going in to manage with an ACO process. We do have physician groups, and we're tying in everything we do in the States into that win that we just received. Now, it's the first phase of it.

We have about two more that we are very close to having a decision on. In doing that, we've strengthened the leadership, and we've moved a couple of people over to London in order to manage this the way that we'll need to manage this going forward. I would say that we're still in a situation nationally. I look at those 44 STPs as more local markets. Nationally, there are various things going on with data and information and digital, that we are actually working with them very closely right now as well. I know in the May timeframe, we'll have a showcase where we'll showcase all of our technologies, as well as we'll have the Secretary of Health visiting us here in the States, as well as a subset of the NHS board visiting us here in the States in the May timeframe.

things seem to be breaking loose right now.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Thank you. We'll take two more questions.

Operator

Our next question comes from Christine Arnold with Cowen. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Christine Arnold
Analyst, Cowen

Hi. I'd like to ask about Optum Care and SCA. How much overlap was there between the locations where you've got primary care and your urgent care with SCA? Where are we in terms of innings, in terms of building out Optum Care? Do we feel that we need more specialists? How do we think about the progression of that business, and how do we measure it over time?

Andrew Hayek
Chairman and CEO, SCA, Surgical Care Affiliates

Sure. This is Andrew. In terms of overlap with the SCA and Optum Care markets, about 17 of the current Optum Care primary care markets overlap with where SCA is, and SCA adds another about 17 markets that Optum Care physicians are not in that are material MSAs. In terms of the mix of primary and specialists, we do see opportunities to leverage some of the presence we have with primary care, some of the relationships, and bring more of the SCA model in to the benefit of experience, cost, and the quality of care, which obviously helps the primary care groups and also helps our health payers and health system partners. We do see opportunity to expand the model and be inclusive of more specialists, which we think inures to the benefit of the patients and the healthcare system.

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

And we've got-

Christine Arnold
Analyst, Cowen

How long will it take to build this out?

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I'd say that's multi-years. Christine, you'll remember we've talked about this in, let's say, 75 markets as a first priority.

While we have a presence in many of those markets, that presence isn't complete, where we really have the entire model represented in that marketplace or where that model has been fully integrated. I would say we continue to be in the very early stages of what our ambitions might be around Optum Care.

Christine Arnold
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Thanks. One last question.

Operator

We'll take our final question from Gary Taylor with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Gary Taylor
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Great. Thank you. Just had one fairly precise question. Was wondering, when we look at Optum Insight, what % of the total revenues or Medicare Advantage risk coding services, what % of its net external sales would be MA risk coding services? Has there been any impact on the trajectory of sales given some of the recent legal scrutiny?

Larry Renfro
Vice Chairman and Optum CEO, UnitedHealth Group

I'm not aware of any change in that. It's not really that significant. Do we have an answer for that?

Eric Murphy
CEO, OptumInsight, OptumInsight

Yeah. Hi, Gary, this is Eric Murphy, CEO of Optum Insight. We haven't seen any impact in terms of changes to both our existing business as well as the strength of our pipeline. I think we're in a very favorable position in that side of the market, just given the comprehensive nature of the capabilities that we bring to the marketplace with the integration of both risk and quality.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

It's not that big a line of offering, right, relative to the total of Optum?

Eric Murphy
CEO, OptumInsight, OptumInsight

Relative to the total of Optum, no.

Stephen Hemsley
CEO, UnitedHealth Group

Yeah. I don't know if we can size that, but it's just not that large a product line. Thank you. Thanks for your questions this morning, and we hope the discussion has given you a sense of kind of the optimism we have for 2017, 2018, and beyond. As I think you can see, our businesses are growing, and we're providing increasingly differentiated value to a more diverse set of markets than others, and we're building deeper relationships with customers, consumers, and I think most importantly, improving the healthcare experience, essentially for all stakeholders. I think that's how we'll continue to grow over the next decade. Thank you. We'll see you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time, and have a great day.