Good day. Welcome to the Vista Gold Q3 2023 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At that time, participants are asked to press star one to register for a question. For assistance during the call, please press star zero on your touchtone phone. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Today is Wednesday, November 8, 2023. It is now my pleasure to introduce Ms. Pam Solly, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Kelsey, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the Vista Gold Q3 2023 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. I'm Pamela Solly, Vice President of Investor Relations. On the call today is Fred Earnest, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Doug Tobler, Chief Financial Officer. During the course of this call, we will be making forward-looking statements. These statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results, performance, or achievements of Vista to be materially different from results, performance, or achievements expressed or implied by such statements. Please refer to our most recently filed Form 10-Q for details of risks and other important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in our forward-looking statements. I will now turn the call over to Fred Earnest.
Thank you, Pam, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call this afternoon. During the Q3, we continued to work with CIBC Capital Markets. We maintained our ongoing cost reduction programs, managed our safety and environmental programs without incident, and presented at the Precious Metals Summit in Beaver Creek, Colorado. As part of our work with CIBC, we continued to explore transaction opportunities and host Mt Todd site visits with interested parties. We remain diligent in the execution of our strategy to seek an appropriate transaction to maximize shareholder value, but understand the completion of a transaction may depend on sustained improvement and stability in the economy and capital markets. Cost reductions are ongoing, and we are on track to achieve a 7% reduction in 2023 recurring costs compared to 2022. Vista continues to have no debt.
In September, we attended the Precious Metals Summit in Beaver Creek, Colorado, where we met with shareholders, potential investors, mining companies, and others. The completion of the internal scoping study earlier this year generated interest among shareholders, investors, and potential transaction parties. We remain committed to the health and safety of our employees and to our environmental stewardship at Mount Todd. There have been no lost time incidents this year, and the site has now reached 690 consecutive accident-free days. I will discuss these topics in greater detail later in the call. Now I will now turn the time over to Doug Tobler for a review of our financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2023.
Thank you, Fred. Today, I'll provide a brief recap of our results of operations for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, and our financial position at that date. Vista Gold's full financial statements and MD&A are included in our Form 10-Q that was filed yesterday and is available at either sec.gov or sedarplus.ca. Vista Gold reported consolidated net loss of $1.5 million, or $0.01 per common share, for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, compared to a consolidated net loss of $1.7 million, or $0.02 per common share, for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. The loss for the current quarter was in line with our expectations, and it reflects an 11% reduction in operating expenses compared to the same period, same period last year.
For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, and 2022, our net losses were $4.9 million and $3.4 million, respectively. The loss in 2023 was greater than last year's because the 2022 period included a $2.9 million gain on our disposal of the Los Cardones property and other income items totaling $413,000. Excluding the effects of these two items, Vista reported operating expenses of $5.1 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, compared to $6.8 million for the same period last year. This represents a 25% decrease in operating expenses period-over-period. We are on track to achieve our objective of a 7% reduction in recurring costs and other cost reductions at Mount Todd for exploration and site management programs.
Turning to our financial position, our balance sheet remained in good condition at September 30. We ended with a cash of $4.8 million, which compared to $6 million at June 30, 2023. We also maintained our position of having no debt. That concludes my remarks for today, so I'll turn the call back over to Fred. Thank you.
Thank you, Doug. I will begin with a review of our ESG initiatives and performance and then review our Q3 achievements. We are committed to conducting our business in a responsible and sustainable manner, and we continually seek to align our business practices with ESG principles to ensure the long-term success and positive impact of our operations. We are proudly recognized for our record in environmental leadership in the Northern Territory. We remain in compliance with our site environmental responsibilities and obligations, and as previously noted, our team in Australia has now completed more than 690 consecutive days with no lost time incidents. We are very pleased with our safety-oriented culture and the accomplishments of the team. We continue to maintain strong working relationships with the Jawoyn people and the leaders of the Jawoyn Association Aboriginal Corporation.
We continue to work with the leaders and stakeholders in the Katherine area and more broadly in the Northern Territory, as well as the Northern Territory Government . I'm pleased that our social license is firmly in place and strongly supported. We remain committed to responsible environmental management, protecting heritage sites, and developing Mt Todd in a way, and at the time, that maximizes the benefit for our shareholders and stakeholders in the Northern Territory. I'm pleased to report we are working on our first ESG report and expect to publish the report in the Q1 of 2024. Now, switching to the Precious Metals Summit. As I indicated, in September, we attended the Precious Metals Summit in Beaver Creek. This conference always provides an excellent forum for our team to meet with shareholders, potential investors, mining companies, bankers, and others.
Our message about the opportunity for a smaller initial project at Mt Todd was well received. In particular, demonstrated initial capital, less than $350 million, to achieve annual production of 150,000-200,000 ounces of gold per year, combined with the opportunity to increase production through staged development over time, resonated with many of those with whom we met. Interest in what is happening in the Northern Territory also caught the attention of investors. In April, the NT government announced plans to attract greater mining investment in the territory. The top government priority is to reform the current royalty structure. All indications suggest that the government will adopt an ad valorem royalty and adjust the rate to be more competitive with other Tier One jurisdictions, where rates typically range from 2.5%-5%.
This represents a very meaningful opportunity for improved project economics and earlier shareholder returns in Mt Todd , where our 2022 feasibility study included NT royalties equivalent to a 7%-9% ad valorem rate, depending on gold price and other assumptions. We expect the Northern Territory Government to complete the royalty reform by the end of the Q2 of 2024. Now, switching over to the ongoing work with CIBC. CIBC continues to generate interest in Mt Todd . The results of the scoping study announced earlier this year have generated greater interest in the optionality Mt Todd offers under different development strategies. Management continues to host site visits and respond to inquiries from engaged parties.
We remain focused on recognizing value for shareholders through the completion of the right transaction, one that realizes a greater portion of the intrinsic value of Mt Todd and provides ample opportunity for future additional value recognition. Our efforts in reducing costs and maximizing cost effectiveness are high priorities for 2023. We have taken actions to further reduce recurring costs by approximately 7% and continue to evaluate and implement opportunities for additional cost reductions. Now, in conclusion, the Mt Todd Gold Project is one of the largest and most advanced undeveloped gold projects in Australia. With 7 million ounces of proven and probable reserves, and following the completion of the Newmont and Newcrest merger, Vista controls the second-largest reserve package in Australia. In addition to its size, Mt Todd provides a number of other advantages for those interested in a potential transaction.
Mt Todd is ideally located in the Northern Territory of Australia, an extremely stable and mining-friendly jurisdiction. The existing project infrastructure at Mt Todd provides very distinct construction timeline and risk mitigation advantages. All the major permits for the development of Mt Todd have been approved. Of equal importance, we have earned the trust of the local stakeholders, and we are confident that our social license is firmly in hand. Our technical programs focus on de-risking the project and incorporating designs that are capital efficient with low operating costs. We believe the proposed changes to the NT royalty regime will help improve project economics, enhance the project's leverage to gold price, and provide a stronger foundation for improved shareholder value. We believe Mt Todd is a superior asset and one of the most attractive development-stage projects, not just in Australia, but in all of the world.
A primary objective is to achieve a valuation for Mount Todd that is reflective of the gold production profile, long operating life, excellent gold recovery, favorable operating costs, robust project economics, as demonstrated by the completed feasibility study and the fact that we hold all approvals for all major permits. For a more comprehensive review of the work completed by Vista on the Mount Todd project, I refer you to our corporate presentation, which can be found on our website at www.vistagold.com. We believe that Vista Gold represents an exceptional investment opportunity, and that current prices represent a tremendous opportunity to establish a position or increase one's holdings in Vista Gold. This concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now respond to any questions from participants on the call.
We will now take your questions in queue order. If you have a question, please press the star followed by the pound on your touchtone phone. You will hear a voice prompt acknowledging your request, and your question will be saved in the order that we have received. If you wish to withdraw from current process, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Heiko Ihle H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.
Hey, folks. Can you hear me okay? 'Cause it was just a little muffled there.
Yeah, we were having difficulty hearing Kelsey as well, but we, we hear you loud and, loud and clear, Heiko.
Fair enough. Okay. Cost savings going into 2024, I mean, you're, you're looking at a 7% reduction in your current costs. I'm, I'm frankly amazed at how you plan on being able to do this, given how lean this ship's been run for the last many years, certainly following the turn. Can you just give a little bit of color and detail on, on what exactly you plan on doing, and maybe even quantify the effects?
Yeah, I'm gonna turn this, I'm gonna turn this question over to Doug to answer, Heiko. Hey, Heiko, how you doing? Yeah. Hey, the seven percent is what we're tracking as our objective for this year. you know, I think we talked about this last quarter, that that seven percent, after considering the effect of inflation, which, you know, is kind of running, you know, high single digits, in some, some markets, it's even low teens. Y ou know, we think we've done exceptionally well this year. We're not through our 2024 budget cycle yet, but, you know, we're seeing areas where we can continue to ratchet down our costs and/or hold things stable. I mean, we've been, you know, very fortunate to keep our personnel costs in line and, you know, still keep a, a very motivated workforce.
We've just got some people that have been exceptionally hard workers, and they keep working well for us. As we move into next year, we'll continue to look at, you know, all the really exciting areas, like insurance. Markets have improved a bit there, but, you know, also we've taken a very aggressive approach to, you know, shopping our rates on all of these... all of the products that we have. Consultants and advisors are another bucket. You know, the easiest thing to do is don't use them, but the reality is you have to. We've had some consultants that have been supported by being able to hold their rates steady. They can't do that forever, so we may see some bumps there.
But in other cases, we've, you know, we've been able to successfully shop or shift our, our services to a, a less expensive but still productive service provider. T hen, of course, we work to ratchet down our office and admin costs, you know, keep our, our rent low, keep all of our other support costs as low as we possibly can. I t's, it's not big dollars in any one bucket, but we look at every bucket and try to, try to scrape out a few dollars. I'm hopeful that we can at least hold the line as we move into 2024 and offset most, if not all, of the cost of inflation.
Well, that's a fair, that's a fair answer. Just looking at, at this, where the shares are, are currently sitting, I mean, there's clearly value there. I mean, gold's last, when I wrote this question up, was it $1,950? If you run, run the sensitivity analysis, and, and again, I'm, I'm happy to use pretty conservative, numbers here, there's obviously a meaningful value disconnect between, you know, the value of the company and the share value, for, for lack of a better word. What is the market missing, and, and, and how best one explain it to them that they're missing it, or is it just all junior miners are beaten down and nobody cares?
You know, Heiko, that's a very interesting question. I'm sure it's a question that many CEOs and shareholders alike are asking themselves across the board in our sector. There is a big disconnect between gold price and intrinsic value of projects compared to market caps and recognized value in companies. Certainly, we find ourselves presently under a greater than normal amount of selling pressure. We're not sure if that's tax loss selling that has commenced in the middle of last month, or if it's just part of a broader market phenomena that gold stocks are a little bit out of favor...
We know that in Australia specifically, lithium seems to be the flavor of the day, and gold companies have fallen a little bit out of favor. I think in the background of everybody's mind are questions about when Vista is going to successfully complete a transaction. That is in very great detail out of our control in many respects. As I reported, you know, we continue to work with CIBC, and CIBC, much to their credit, continues to generate leads and attract new interest to Mt Todd. That's reflected in the mention to site visits that are being held and the due diligence work that's being undertaken.
I'm hopeful that as we head into the new year, that we'll see a shift in our sector, that we'll begin to see some transactions that involve developers such as Vista. Whereas this year, the majority of transactions that have occurred have been producers transacting with other producers. That's been something that we haven't been able to seem to break as a sector of the industry. I'm hopeful that that will happen, and when it begins to... When the pendulum begins to swing back the other way. I think that the size of the project, where it's located, the fact that it's fully permitted, the fact that, you know, that Mt Todd is essentially shovel-ready will bode well for us.
But in the meantime, I think the key factors are, you know, as Doug has pointed out, that we're being very efficient with the use of the financial resources that we have. I'd like to think that we're among the top of our peers in what we're able to achieve with the money that we spend. It's something that weighs on our minds, as it does, I'm sure, on many investors' minds.
Thank you, Heiko. That weighs on my mind as well. Fair enough. Good answer, and I'll get back to you.
Thank you, Heiko.
Thank you. The next question comes from Mike Schultz. Please go ahead.
Okay. Can you hear? Can you hear me?
We hear you loud and clear, Mike.
Oh, right. Yeah, so I'm a private investor, and so I have two questions. I'm gonna ask them one at a time just so that I can be clear on what I'm gonna ask. The first question is, does Vista have the ability to borrow the $350 million and mine the gold themselves? Or is borrowing based on the type of project, the type of company out of the question? And I say that because I've just kind of run the numbers with even astronomical interest rates and what you're projecting for gold production, net of, you know, production expenses, would provide a pretty significant multiple over what the current stock price is. Just knowing that you guys, if worse comes to worse, could borrow, would mean something to me.
Borrowing and mining could be an option of last resort if within three quarters there's not a way to, you know, raise additional money through stock offering or whatever. Just answer that one first, if you don't mind.
Yeah. Hi, this is Doug Tobler. I'll take that one on. Sounds like your analysis would tell you the same thing that our analysis would. In terms of borrowing, just to be clear, we wouldn't seek to ever borrow 100% of the $350 million that we outlined in our scoping study. You know, a typical mining project would finance 60% with some form of leverage, you know, debt streams, royalties, those types of things. Typically, the balance would come from an equity infusion, and that can come from, you know, partners, or it can come from, you know, the broader market itself. From what we see, you know, Mount Todd's economics are robust.
You know, they're very robust at the current gold prices when you look at the valuation on a discounted cash flow basis. We see that typical 60/40 debt equity ratio is something that would be very achievable should we ever move towards that direction. We still see that there's great value opportunity in some other form of transaction that provides a longer a more immediate and then longer-term outlook as well. You know, we're not boxed out. We've got optionality, and I think your analysis makes sense.
Okay, thanks. T hen the second question, which you may or may not answer, but I'm gonna ask it anyway, is you commented a lot on wanting to find the right transaction that kind of represents the value of the project. So as an investor, not seeing much of what's going on, there's the appearance that even though we hear about a lot of activity, we don't know whether there's been actually any possible offers or even mention of offers that were not considered by Vista because it was nowhere near considered, you know, the right value. If there's a way you could shed light that there have been people that have been bona fidely interested, but not at the right value, or if you can't comment on that, I understand.
But we're just trying to size up what's actually going on among folks that are looking at it.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to answer the question to your satisfaction, Mike, but there... Over the last year, there have been discussions about value, and those discussions have not reached a point where, for a number of reasons, on either side of the table, where they get to the point where there's anything that would be disclosable. There is genuine interest, and there's been significant expenditures made to date on the parts of several companies in various levels of due diligence. If that... I mean, I don't know where this is gonna head, but we'll see what plays out in the next quarter or two quarters.
Great. Well, both, both answers were tremendously helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you. Back to you.
All right.
Thank you. T he next question comes from Adrian Day from Adrian Day Asset Management. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, good afternoon. Two questions, two-part question. How you would characterize the recent discussions you've had compared with, say, the discussions last year? And then, how would you give us some idea of what seemed to be the biggest stumbling blocks to people making a deal, you know, making a positive decision to go ahead?
Yeah, Adrian, I think that the biggest, the easiest way to characterize the difference between the discussions a year ago and discussions in the last nine months is the impact of inflation and the uncertainties surrounding inflation. You know, our feasibility study is dated January of 2022. Y ou know, within six months of that time, we started seeing a lot of you know, a lot of talk and in reality, you know, a lot of impacts of inflation and what that means to projects.
I think in answer to your second question, you know our industry quite well, and you know that many of the companies that should be interested in a project the size of Mount Todd are actually quite risk-averse. I think that the fundamental reason why we're seeing the consolidation, the transactions between producers and producers is that they're eliminating the development risk in today's market. T hat weighs heavily on every discussion: How do you assign a value to that risk? And what ultimately is going to be the cost of development?
Even though we have, you know, very, very solid, you know, first principles cost assessments for, you know, CapEx and operating costs, you know, as of, the Q4 of 2021, you know, the, the question in everybody's mind is: What, what are those costs really going to be today? And so it's really a matter of, of risk aversion, and that's the, that's the biggest, the biggest issue that we see. W e think that that's driving the hesitancy across the board to engage in, in discussions, transactions with developers in today's market.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. Ms. Solly , you may proceed.
All right, Kelsey. Thank you. We appreciate the questions that have been asked. Mike and Heiko and Adrian, I appreciate your continued interest and the very thoughtful questions that were asked. You know, as has been pointed out in the Q&A section, you know, our share price is not where we would like it to be. I think the flip side of that is that this represents a for those who can see the value, the underlying value of Mt Todd and the asset, and the fact that those ounces are not going anywhere, I think that there's a tremendous opportunity here.
To establish or add to a position in Vista Gold, we certainly for those who have further questions and would like more information, I invite you to reach out to Pamela Solly, our Vice President of Investor Relations. Pamela will be happy to spend time with you, answer questions, and as needed, get myself or another member of the team on the phone to help you understand the technical and financial aspects of the project. We, as a management team, are disappointed with the market cap and the share price that we have today, but we continue to work to assess, to advance opportunities and to continue work on how we can further create value for the project as we de-risk the project.
Please know that the team is busy. We certainly welcome additional inquiries. We welcome investment. We think this is a tremendous opportunity, and we're hopeful that those who are on this call and those who will listen to it as a rebroadcast will give serious consideration to the investment opportunity that this represents. With that, I would like to thank all of you for participating in the call, and we wish you all a very pleasant and a happy afternoon today.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all so much for participating, and I hope you have a good rest of your week. Thank you.