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Earnings Call: Q4 2017

Feb 1, 2018

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Valero Energy Corporation's fourth quarter 2017 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, you may press star then zero on your touchtone telephone to speak with an operator. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. John Locke. Sir, you may begin.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Good morning, and welcome to Valero Energy Corporation's fourth quarter 2017 earnings conference call. With me today are Joe Gorder, our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Ciskowski, our Executive Vice President and CFO, Lane Riggs, our Executive Vice President and COO, Jay Browning, our Executive Vice President and General Counsel, and several other members of Valero's senior management team. If you have not received the earnings release and would like a copy, you can find one on our website at valero.com. Also attached to the earnings release are tables that provide additional financial information on our business segments. If you have any questions after reviewing these tables, please feel free to contact our investor relations team after the call. I'd like to direct your attention to the forward-looking statement disclaimer contained in the press release.

In summary, it says that statements in the press release and on this conference call that state the company's or management's expectations or predictions of the future are forward-looking statements intended to be covered by the safe harbor provisions under federal securities laws. There are many factors that could cause actual results to differ from our expectations, including those we've described in our filings with the SEC. Now I'll turn the call over to Joe for opening remarks.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Well, thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. Well, 2017 was certainly a tale of two halves. In the first half of the year, we saw a gradual but steady improvement in margins from the low levels of 2016. The return of global economic growth created strong product demand. On the supply side, our flexibility allowed us to optimize our system away from the OPEC supply-constrained crudes to capture more margin available on Canadian and domestic crude supply. In fact, we processed a record 1.4 million barrels per day of light crude during the fourth quarter. In the second half of the year, catastrophic weather-related events accelerated the decline in industry product inventories to below five-year averages, brought national attention to the complexity and efficiency of the U.S. fuel supply chain, and renewed appreciation for the critical role that products play in the lives of families and communities.

In December, to the delight of many, our nation's lawmakers passed unprecedented tax reform. We believe tax reform further strengthens the competitive position of the U.S. refining industry versus our global competition through greater tax efficiency and increased earnings power and cash flow generation. We were glad to see this positive step change for American manufacturing businesses and for American families. I'd also like to recognize Valero's tax, accounting, and legal teams, who dedicated significant time and effort over the recent months and during the holidays to analyze and account for the requirements of the tax reform. Looking ahead, we expect a significant reduction in our taxes and effective tax rate versus pre-tax reform levels. Valero's net cash provided by operating activities should also benefit significantly.

That being said, you should expect us to remain committed to our capital allocation framework, which prioritizes maintaining our investment-grade credit ratings and non-discretionary spending to sustain the business and pay our dividends. Incremental discretionary cash flow resulting from tax reform would need to compete with other discretionary uses, including growth investments, M&A, and cash returns. Turning to Valero business, in 2017, we set new operational performance records for safety, reliability, and environmental stewardship. Our accomplishments in these areas exemplify Valero's commitment to premier operations and are key drivers that enable us to deliver more stable earnings. Also in 2017, we invested $2.4 billion to sustain and grow the business. The Diamond Pipeline and the Wilmington Cogeneration Unit both started up in November and are running well.

The Diamond Pipeline connects Cushing to Memphis and has improved our Memphis refinery's crude supply flexibility, providing a cost advantage versus crude delivered on Capline. The Cogeneration unit is helping reduce Wilmington's operating expenses while also increasing the reliability of its power and steam supplies. Construction on the capacity expansion of the Diamond Green Diesel plant and the new Houston alkylation unit remains on track. We expect to complete these projects in the third quarter of 2018 and the first half of 2019, respectively. Our logistics investments in Central Texas and along the Houston Ship Channel are also progressing. Estimated startups are in mid-2019 for the Central Texas pipelines and terminals and then early 2020 for the Pasadena terminal. We also expect to break ground soon on a new 25,000 barrels per day alkylation unit at the St. Charles refinery.

This project was recently approved by our board of directors. The estimated total cost is $400 million, with the startup scheduled for the second half of 2020. Regarding cash returns to stockholders, we paid out 63% of our 2017 adjusted net cash provided by operating activities, which exceeded our target annual payout range of 40%-50%. Last week, our board approved a 14% increase in the regular quarterly dividend to $0.80 per share or $3.20 annually, further demonstrating our commitment to our investors. In closing, with days of supply for refined light product inventories near five-year lows and continued global economic growth, we expect good demand in domestic and export markets and healthy margins this year.

Given our advantaged position as a low-cost manufacturer and premier operator with flexibility to process a wide range of feedstocks and reliably supply quality fuels to consumers, we are optimistic about 2018. With that, John, I'll hand the call back to you.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Thank you, Joe. For the fourth quarter, net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $2.4 billion, or $5.42 per share, compared to $367 million, or $0.81 per share in the fourth quarter of 2016. Fourth quarter 2017 adjusted net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $509 million or $1.16 per share. For 2017, net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $4.1 billion or $9.16 per share compared to $2.3 billion or $4.94 per share in 2016. 2017 adjusted net income attributable to Valero stockholders was $2.2 billion or $4.96 per share, compared to $1.7 billion or $3.72 per share in 2016. The 2017 adjusted results exclude an income tax benefit of $1.9 billion from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. The 2016 adjusted results exclude several items reflected in the financial tables that accompany this release.

For reconciliations of actual to adjusted amounts, please refer to those financial tables. Operating income for the refining segment in the fourth quarter of 2017 was $982 million, compared to $645 million for the fourth quarter of 2016. Excluding $17 million of expenses primarily related to ongoing repairs at certain of our U.S. Gulf Coast refineries to address damage resulting from Hurricane Harvey, adjusted operating income for fourth quarter 2017 was $999 million. The increase from 2016 is attributed primarily to higher gasoline and distillate margins in most regions and wider discounts for Domestic Sweet crudes relative to Brent crude, which were partially offset by narrower discounts for medium and heavy sour crudes versus Brent and higher premiums for residual feedstocks. Refining throughput volumes averaged 3 million barrels per day, which was 156,000 barrels per day higher than the fourth quarter of 2016.

Throughput capacity utilization was 96% in the fourth quarter of 2017. Refining cash operating expenses of $3.55 per barrel were $0.19 per barrel lower than the fourth quarter of 2016, mostly due to higher throughput in the fourth quarter of 2017. The ethanol segment generated $37 million of operating income in the fourth quarter of 2017 compared to $126 million in the fourth quarter of 2016. The decrease from 2016 was primarily due to lower margins resulting from lower ethanol prices. Operating income for the VLP segment in the fourth quarter of 2017 was $80 million compared to $70 million in the fourth quarter of 2016. The increase from 2016 was mainly due to contributions from the Red River Pipeline, which was acquired in January 2017, and the Port Arthur Terminal assets and Parkway Pipeline, which were acquired in November of 2017.

For the fourth quarter of 2017, general and administrative expenses were $238 million and net interest expense was $114 million. General and administrative expenses for 2017 were higher than 2016, mainly due to reserve adjustments and a fee for terminating the agreement to acquire certain terminals in Northern California owned by Plains All American Pipeline, L.P.. Depreciation and amortization expense was $490 million, and the effective tax rate, excluding the income tax benefit related to tax reform, was 30% in the fourth quarter of 2017. With respect to our balance sheet at quarter end, total debt was $8.9 billion and cash and temporary cash investments were $5.9 billion, of which $42 million was held by VLP. Valero's debt to capitalization ratio, net of $2 billion in cash, was 23%.

At the end of December, we had $5 billion of available liquidity excluding cash, of which $340 million was available for only VLP. We generated $1.7 billion of net cash from operating activities in the fourth quarter. Excluding the favorable impact from a working capital decrease of $800 million, cash generated was approximately $900 million. To investing activities, we made $641 million of growth and sustaining capital investments, of which $142 million was for turnarounds in catalysts. For 2017, we invested $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion was for sustaining and $1.1 billion was for growth. Our sustaining capital expenditures were $300 million lower than guidance, primarily due to lower turnaround costs and hurricane-related delays on certain projects. Moving to financing activities, we returned $727 million to our stockholders in the fourth quarter.

$421 million was for the purchase of 5 million shares of Valero common stock, $306 million was paid as dividends. As of December 31st, we had approximately $1.2 billion of share repurchase authorization remaining. Including the $2.5 billion of additional repurchase authority approved last week by our board, we have approximately $3.7 billion available for stock buybacks going forward. We expect capital investments for 2018 to be $2.7 billion, with about $1.7 billion allocated to sustaining the business and $1 billion to growth. Included in this total are the turnarounds, catalysts, and joint venture investments.

For modeling our first quarter operations, we expect throughput volumes to fall within the following ranges: U.S. Gulf Coast at 1.65 million-1.7 million barrels per day, U.S. Midcontinent at 440,000-460,000 barrels per day, U.S. West Coast at 250,000-270,000 barrels per day, North Atlantic at 415,000-435,000 barrels per day. We expect refining cash operating expenses in the first quarter to be approximately $4 per barrel. Our ethanol segment is expected to produce a total of 4 million gallons per day in the first quarter. Operating expenses should average $0.38 per gallon, which includes $0.05 per gallon for non-cash costs such as depreciation and amortization. For 2018, we expect G&A expenses, excluding corporate depreciation, to be approximately $800 million. The annual effective tax rate is estimated at 22%.

For the first quarter, net interest expense should be about $115 million, total depreciation and amortization expense should be approximately $500 million. Lastly, we expect RINs expense for the year to be between $750 million and $850 million. That concludes our opening remarks. Before we open the call to questions, we again respectfully request that callers adhere to our protocol of limiting each turn in the Q&A to two questions. If you have more than two questions, please rejoin the queue as time permits. This helps us ensure other callers have time to ask their questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press star and then one on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Our first question comes from the line of Roger Read with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Roger Read
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Yeah, thank you. Good morning.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Morning, Roger.

Roger Read
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Congrats on another good quarter there.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Thank you.

Roger Read
Analyst, Wells Fargo

I guess, could we talk a little bit here, kind of two main things, crude diffs, which have been bouncing around quite a bit lately, and then your general access to heavy barrels, given that if I remember correctly, you don't have quite as much pipeline access to a Canadian barrel, which means rail's probably beneficial for you here, and then the further declines in Venezuelan production and what that's meant along the Gulf Coast for heavy access.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Hey, Roger, this is Gary. Yeah, we've seen diffs move quite a bit. I'll start with Venezuela. Although production has been declining in Venezuela, our volumes have remained fairly constant versus our term contracts. We attribute this to the fact that although production is declining, refinery utilization is down in Venezuela, and so it's keeping exports available to us. On the crude diff side, we've seen some pretty good swings. Obviously, the Western Canadian market is very discounted. WCS in Hardisty this morning is $34 under Brent. Then I think some of the turnaround activity and cold weather in the Gulf has caused the medium sour market, at least in the U.S. Gulf Coast, to weaken some, with ASCI now trading close to $5.80 off of Brent. Seeing pretty good quality discounts.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Maya doesn't seem to be quite keeping up with either the Western Canadian or the medium sour values that we're seeing in the Gulf today. In terms of access, we have good pipeline access, really for our Houston area refineries. Where we don't have as good access is to St. Charles. St. Charles has a lot of capability to process Canadian barrels, but we don't have a good way to get it there. We are starting some barge operations from our Hartford terminal where we'll barge some heavy Canadian into St. Charles, which will start in February.

Roger Read
Analyst, Wells Fargo

On the rail side, are you seeing the kind of balking from the rails in the U.S. that we've seen out of some of the Canadian rail companies? Thinking of the term contracts here.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

What we're really seeing is just that there's not the availability of locomotives in order to move the train. Real wide arb and great economics to ship crude by rail, but you don't have the power to move the trains.

Some of that is the trains have been in grain service, we see some things that we think could open up some more movements of crude by rail. We're planning to ramp up our volumes through our Lucas terminal to Port Arthur, but so far it's been very limited.

Roger Read
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, great. Thank you.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Thanks, Roger.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Terreson with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Good morning, everybody.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Morning, Doug.

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

I wanted to get your updated views on the likely market impact of some of the new environmental regulations that are set for the next few years, which seem pretty meaningful to me, meaning between Tier 3 sulfur and IMO 2020. My question is whether you feel the U.S. and global refining industries are making adequate enough investments to satisfy the new rules. Secondly, how margins for the key products such as the octane sources, fuel oils and crude oil spreads are going to vary. Finally, how Valero is positioning for these changes. There's really three parts. Is the industry ready? Two, what happens to spreads? And three, how you feel Valero's positioned for these new regulations.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Doug, actually, I'm going to start with your last one first.

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Valero is very well-positioned for certainly IMO. We have a lot of coking capacity and a lot of resid destruction. We have a lot of pre-investment for that regulation change. Secondly, on that point, the interesting thing about this regulation change is that trying to add grassroots capacity in this space of resid destruction is very expensive. I think you'll see the industry do what it can to devolve existing units in terms of laying out a lot of capital for the big grassroots units that'll be remained to be seen. It is expensive as compared to some of the other process units. With respect to Tier 3, it fits in our strategic view. Tier 3 is going to destroy a lot of octane.

Where we are versus the industry, we think we're better positioned. Our total spend in this space is $470 million, is where we think we are today, where we've still got about 200 in front of us. We've spent the rest is behind us still. We feel like we're in a really good position with respect to Tier 3 as well.

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Do you guys want to just make a couple of points on IMO 2020, or should we wait till we get closer?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Well, in terms of likelihood?

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Well, not so much the likelihood. It feels like it is going to happen, but whether you think it's that meaningful and what the key market implications are. Do you have a view there, too?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. I started there. I think absolutely the fact that we are heavy coking refinery and resid destruction, like I said, we are very well positioned for. That regulation is going to cost 3% to get very displaced in the world.

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Sure.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

I think everyone's trying to figure out exactly how our industry and the shipping industry is going to try to solve this issue. It will definitely widen as you don't run 3% and you probably use fuels that are a substitute distillate. You're going to see that driver, which is a driver for coking and other resid destruction between resid and diesel widen out. I think that's a market impact. Gary, you want to add anything on that?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

No, I think that's

Doug Terreson
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Thank you, Doug.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Cheng with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Morning, Paul.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

Joe, maybe just want to clarify. When you guys saying that they're at just operating cash flow 40%-50%, how you define as they're just operating cash flow? Also that if in the event the operating cash flow, however way that you define, is much better than you expected, should we assume the incremental cash will end up that coming to the shareholder, so you will end up that exceed that range, or that it will be used for other purpose like the debt reduction or maybe increasing the organic CapEx?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

You bet.

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Paul, this is Mike on that. How do we define that? It's the net cash provided by operating activities on our cash flow statement, and then we back out the working capital impact.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

Okay.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

The second part of the question was on assuming we have additional free cash flow, what are we going to do with it?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Right. As Joe Gorder talked about in his opening comments, we're still going to pay out the 40%-50% as our target, and this increase in discretionary cash flow will just compete with the non-discretionary.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Paul, we put in place several years ago that capital allocation framework, we've adhered to it. I think perhaps the best forecaster for what we're going to do going forward is our history. We'll retain enough cash to be sure that we've got the liquidity in the business to do the things we want to do. To the extent that we end up with surplus cash, I think it's a fair bet that we're not going to sit on it. Again, I think history probably speaks well to what we would probably do going forward. We've been pretty consistent in that now for some time.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. My second question is Diamond at full capacity right now? That if we're looking at that, what is the incremental margin to Memphis? Comparing to, say, in the fourth quarter, how much is Diamond that you were running? Also that whether you can give the same number on Line 9 to Quebec City in the fourth quarter, and what you expect in the first quarter?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Paul, you're a magician.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

We try.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Gary, you want to go ahead?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yes.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Take the first of those four questions.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

The Diamond Pipeline started up late-ish November. We had a very good start-up, and the line has run extremely well since coming online. December was our first full month of operation. In December, what you're really looking at in terms of the economic benefit is that spread between WTI and LLS. In December, during our first month of operation, that spread was $5.33 a barrel. January, it remained wide. In January, that spread between WTI and LLS averaged $4.18 a barrel. That gives you an idea of the economic impact that Diamond's having on our system today. Line 9, similar with the wide Brent WTI. We're seeing very good economics through Line 9 as well. I don't have exactly where that spread was in December and January, but on a prompt basis, Line 9 barrel beats an alternative by about $1.20 a barrel.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

Gary, do you have a full put volume that you're shipping from Line 9 into capacity in the fourth quarter, and what you expect in the first quarter?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

We don't give guidance on that. We are utilizing our full capacity that we have available to us.

Paul Cheng
Analyst, Barclays

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Leggate, Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.

Doug Leggate
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Morning, Doug.

Doug Leggate
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Joe, I wonder if I could touch on the cash distribution. Obviously, the reset towards cash flow has really given a lot of clarity to the market, I think you've been rewarded for that. It does mean that you're buying back shares at pretty much at the all-time high in the stock price. Whereas the tax cut obviously resets what I would imagine is the low point for your cash flow at the bottom of whatever we think the cycle is now. I guess what I'm really trying to get to is how much is too much of a buyback do you have a limit as to where you would slow down the buyback and skew back towards a more sustainable dividend? Obviously, you've already done that. I'm just wondering how much further you think that balance has to go.

I've got a follow-up, please.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

No, that's a fair question. Mike, you want to take a crack at this?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Yeah, we have increased, as we did just here recently, our dividend. That will take up a bigger piece of our 40%-50% of the target. As our taxes is reduced through tax reform, this amount of available cash flow will increase, and we'll continue to evaluate that through our capital allocation process, as Joe talked about. It will compete with growth investments and M&A and cash returns.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Doug, when you think about it, this has been a consistent question that we've received for several years. Are we buying back shares at $50? Is it too high? Are we buying back shares at $60? Is that too high? Here we are, we find ourselves in the mid-$90s, is that too high? Frankly, I think our view would be that we remain undervalued.

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Right.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

The paradigm on independent refining is shifting. We are much more focused, certainly Valero is, on producing free cash flow and maintaining capital discipline around the use of funds. To the extent that we continue to throw off significant amounts of free cash flow, we're going to have the opportunity to continue to buy back our shares and create higher lows and higher highs in the stock price. If you ask me personally if I think we're overvalued today, I would say the answer is no. Do I think there's upside in the stock price? I'd say yes. As a result, I think that you should expect that we're going to continue to balance out our payout with repurchases.

Doug Leggate
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I appreciate the full answer. I know it's not an easy one to answer, but I guess, we're of the view that you've shifted to be an S&P 500 yield stock, and I think the dividend, for what it's worth, probably gets rewarded. That's just our take. Anyway, I appreciate you taking the question. My follow-up is, we just had the Marathon call before you, and Gary made some really interesting comments, I thought, about the prospects of getting a RIN resolution by the spring. RIN costs for both diesel or biofuel and ethanol have both come down, it seems. I'm just wondering if you could share your thoughts. Do you share that kind of optimism on a timeline? If so, what's your best guess on how it plays out from here? I'll leave it at that. Thanks.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

That's a good question. Doug, Jason Fraser's here, he runs Policy and Strategic Planning. He's been obviously neck-deep in this particular issue, as have I, we'll let him share some insights on that.

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Hi, this is Jason. Things have definitely heated up and received an increased focus here in the past few months, especially with the PES situation. That dramatically showed how badly RFS reform's needed. That's helped shed some light on it. We also do have the two efforts going within the Senate now with Senator Cruz trying to get the Midwest senators to sit down and discuss a near-term solution for high RIN prices, a solution that would also benefit the ethanol producers. We also have Senator Cornyn, who's been working very hard and over a long period of time with stakeholders and other senators to come up with long-term legislative reform.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

I didn't hear his comments, I don't know about his specific timeline. There does seem to see more urgency and visibility in the effort around this area in the past couple of months. We're more optimistic than we've been. Things are looking better.

Doug Leggate
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Jason, do you think that's the reason why RIN costs have really come off a bit in the last couple of months or is that more seasonal?

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Well, Gary may have more of a view on the market, but that's got to be something affecting it. There's a risk, and there's also the EPA has kind of signaled they're looking at these smaller, minor exceptions. There's been a lot of discussion of that. If they were to grant those, and not reallocate them to other obligated parties, which is what we think they would do, they would not redistribute that mandate. That would have a negative effect on RIN prices too. There are several things floating around. Gary, I don't know if Gary has a view beyond that.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

No, I see it the same way. I think anytime you read something in the press on potential regulatory changes, you see people that are hoarding RINs start dumping on the market, feeling that they may be hoarding RINs that aren't worth much in the future.

Doug Leggate
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Appreciate the answers, guys. Gary, I guess, Joe, we'll see you and Gary up in New York in a couple weeks. Thanks again for your time.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Thank you, Doug.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis with UBS. Your line is now open.

Spiro Dounis
Analyst, UBS

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just was hoping for comments on the M&A environment for refining assets specifically here. I think there were a few assets on the block last year and in 2016, and it seems like a lot of them got pulled just due to really bid-ask spreads between buyers and sellers. Curious if you're seeing that as still the case, and does your renewed optimism on the refining outlook and tax reform change any of the calculus on valuation for you?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Okay. Yeah, this is Mike. Yeah, tax reform does change the economics a little bit on the M&A. We would have the ability to deduct the purchase price of the PP&E in year one. We are in the process of updating our analysis on various potential targets.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

I don't know of anything in the marketplace today that is really for sale or particularly that's of interest. You're right, I think the bid-ask spread, not only on refining assets, but on logistics assets also, has been pretty broad. As you guys know, we tend to take a look at everything that's out in the market, then we have a target list of things that we particularly track that we'd be interested in. It just hasn't come together in a way that has allowed us to execute something that we would be pleased with. We'll continue to watch it, but there's just nothing there right now.

Spiro Dounis
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Then just on Mexico, was wondering if you could update us on the progress of the project there, how it's progressing, and maybe along that line. I believe that project is kind of a stepping stone for you into Latin America. I guess, when do you think you'd be able to expect to expand on that position?

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

This is Rich here. The facilities are in the progress of acquiring the land for the inland terminals, and Veracruz should be handed over to IEnova, who's going to be doing the construction for us here in early February. We expect that all of the facilities would be up and running in the first quarter of 2019. That's kind of on the operational side. Maybe Gary wants to share a little bit on just the market.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yeah. I think for us, you'll see the ramp up in the penetration into the wholesale market after the terminal comes on. Yes, we are looking at a lot of different opportunities in Mexico and South America, but don't really have anything to communicate on that at this time.

Spiro Dounis
Analyst, UBS

Understood. Appreciate the color. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC. Your line is now open.

Brad Heffern
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Morning, everyone.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Morning, Brad.

Brad Heffern
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Just a question on the new alky project and the old alky project, I guess. Now your two marquee CapEx projects are both alky and a lot of your peers have been more focused on the distillate side of the barrel. What's the thesis there? Is this the Tier 3 octane destruction like you talked about? Is it just octane demand increasing over time? What makes you pursue that side of things?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Brad, this is Lane. You hit upon the first part, that we're optimistic about the requirements in the industry to meet octane for gasoline. It's obviously two things are happening there. One is Tier 3 is destroying octane. Two, the autos, their trajectory is to require more octane because it helps them with their emissions compliance. The other part of that is we have a view that NGLs are going to be long, and that's all a function of the shale play that's out there. You have all these export facilities, even if there's a floor, you're going to have NGL exports to the world. That's a little different position. At the end of the day, it really is sort of a butane to high octane gasoline spread that we're bullish on. We think both these projects fit into that strategic view.

Our position on diesel, Lane? Gary?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

I'll say on diesel, we've made big investments to make diesel. We built two big hydrocrackers, if you remember. That was a similar view. It was basically our gas to liquids viewpoint. Cheap natural gas, a function of shale play, making diesel, which is really the world fuel. We've invested a lot of money in that area. Going forward, that's not really what we're focusing. We're not focusing on trying to make more diesel unless it's through resid destruction.

Brad Heffern
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. Thanks for that. Shifting to California, it's seeming more likely that the AQMD out there, if they don't ban hydrofluoric acid, there's going to be a lot of mitigation procedures required. How are you guys thinking about the potential CapEx spend at Wilmington and how likely you are to pursue that as an avenue?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Well, we absolutely feel pretty good that all stakeholders are working out there to find the right viable solution for how to mitigate HF in that area. We are working with the South Coast to get there. We obviously will, depending on how all that works out, we either will or won't make the right investment, the total investments to meet that to comply. We're very optimistic that everybody involved will get to the right place.

Brad Heffern
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks all.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes in the line of Blake Fernandez with Scotia Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Blake Fernandez
Analyst, Scotia Howard Weil

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Blake.

Blake Fernandez
Analyst, Scotia Howard Weil

Sticking on the West Coast theme. The margins really collapsed into the second half of the quarter. Maybe this is a question for Gary, but I'm just curious if you have any thoughts on what was driving that. It seemed relative to the rest of the country. It was significantly weaker. I know Torrance was back up and running, but any other thoughts on that?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yeah, Blake. I think historically you see that weakness in the West Coast in the fourth quarter. This was a little more severe than what we generally see. I think you touched on some of it. Refinery utilization was high. You were in high RVP season, so you had butane kind of swelling the gasoline pool. A little bit softer demand with some of the weather issues on the West Coast. I think all that drove to the weakness that you've seen. Moving forward, we have a little bit of turnaround activity going on. Already in Los Angeles, we switched to summer-grade gasoline. The Bay will go to summer grade in another couple of weeks, which will help slow supply into the market and start to bring inventories back into balance.

Blake Fernandez
Analyst, Scotia Howard Weil

Great. Okay, thanks. This may be a question for Mike, but on tax reform obviously given that you have some European operations, I was just curious, given the $5 billion of cash, should we be thinking about any impacts as far as repatriation and any benefits on that?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Yeah, we do have some cash both in Canada and the U.K., we could bring that back if we need to. Our cash position here in the U.S. is adequate, we don't need to bring it back at this time.

Blake Fernandez
Analyst, Scotia Howard Weil

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Justin Jenkins with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Justin Jenkins
Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I guess, Joe, I'm sorry to beat a dead horse here, as I think you've been pretty clear about capital allocation, I'm curious if the lower tax rate affects anything as it relates to strategy for VLP, whether it's drop-downs or the mix of growth spending. Any thoughts there?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Mike, you or Rich, you want to talk to it? Or Donna?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Well, yeah, go ahead. On the drop-down, I guess it remains to be seen how that the Tax Reform obviously it just happened in December and how that's going to affect the drop-down activity. The multiples are market related and so we just don't know for sure how Tax Reform will affect those multiples.

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Well, Mike, and then if you're doing a drop-down, you got a related party transaction. Is the treatment on that different than an acquisition from a third party?

Justin Jenkins
Analyst, Raymond James

The-

Donna Titzman
SVP and Treasurer, Valero Energy

You're talking about full expensing?

Yeah.

Yeah. Normally from a drop perspective the immediate expensing would not be allowed because Valero and VLP are related parties. In regards to third party acquisitions VLP would likely not elect that because it does create some significant fluctuations from year to year in the allocation or calculation of remedial income to the public unit holder. Bonus depreciation has been available for many years, and yet generally MLPs do not or have not chosen to take that. I'm not sure if that answers your question.

Justin Jenkins
Analyst, Raymond James

No, that's perfect. I appreciate that. Maybe just shifting gears here, following up on Roger's question on access to Canadian crude. Can you talk about the pipeline projects that are in the queue? I'm thinking along the lines of Keystone XL and how that might fit into VLO's overall strategy.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yeah. Obviously, we were big backers of Keystone XL and believe it's a great project as it kind of brings that heavy Western Canadian oil to the high complexity U.S. Gulf Coast refining system. It direct access to our Port Arthur refinery. We're excited that that project's moving forward, and it will certainly improve our access to the growing production in Western Canada.

Justin Jenkins
Analyst, Raymond James

Perfect. Thanks, guys. I'll leave it there.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Low with Redburn. Your line is now open.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. There's just two, please. The first is just on your West Coast operations. Do you see any synergies there between those refineries and the rest of the portfolio? Would you ever consider in the future looking to exit that region? Secondly, just can you provide an update on your proposed doubling of capacity at Diamond Green Diesel? I'd be interested to understand what Valero's primary motivation is with DGD. Is it the returns the project makes on its own right, or rather that it can help mitigate your own biofuel blending costs? Thanks.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

All right, Peter. Well, on the West Coast, there's some synergies, but largely limited synergies, I would say, between the West Coast and the rest of the Valero system. That being said, it's a good operation. We have good management, and it is a great option on strong West Coast margins when we experience them. It's part of our portfolio. It cash flows, and we don't have any interest to divest ourselves of it. Now, as far as DGD, Martin, you want to?

Martin Parrish
VP of Alternative Fuels, Valero Energy

Yeah. On Diamond Green, we have the project underway to go from 160 million gallons a year to 275 million gallons a year. That will start up in the third quarter. We've also talked about a second expansion from 275 to 550. That final investment decision will be made in 2018. It'll stand on its own rights. We look at that as a JV, and we look at the cash that throws off and decide what we're going to do. That's how we'll decide there.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Thanks.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Good. Thanks, Peter.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Phil Gresh with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Phil Gresh
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yes, good morning. Just a clarification on the tax reform. You gave a 22% effective rate. Was curious if there was additional savings you'd expect from the bonus depreciation benefits, et cetera, from a cash basis, whether on a percentage basis or a dollar basis, how you think about it?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

Okay. Yeah. On the reform, what we did was we pro formed our 2017 results, we had $3.2 billion of pre-tax income. We wanted to determine the change in our tax provision as well as the cash taxes. We assumed that all available capital in 2017 was available for full expensing. So in regard to our income statement, the tax provision would be low by approximately $230 million or $0.50 per share. On the cash side, our cash taxes, our U.S. cash taxes would decrease by approximately $400 million based on those assumptions. When you include the repatriation tax to transition to the territorial system, the savings would be $350 million.

Phil Gresh
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, just to clarify, if we're looking at your CFO year-over-year, it would be the $350 million number?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

That would be correct.

Phil Gresh
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, great. Thanks. Second question is just on the OpEx. In the fourth quarter, you came in well below your expectations, then in the first quarter, your guidance is quite a bit higher. Is that just simply net gas cost and throughput or anything else that would stick out in terms of why you were so much better in the fourth quarter and the flip in 1Q?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Hey, Phil, it's Lane. It's primarily the difference between our turnaround activity from fourth to first quarter.

Phil Gresh
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Got it. Thanks.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Sankey with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Paul Sankey
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Morning, all.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Morning, Paul.

Paul Sankey
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Back to the dead horse, I'm afraid. Joe, I was just wondering if you could revisit the possibility of paying down debt. I know there's possibly the argument that it would lower your cost of capital and keep your multiple expanding, which it seems to be doing. I guess that follows into the second part of my question, which is where do you think we are relative to mid-cycle? I kind of think that's the answer on whether or not you should be thinking about doing more debt paid down and maybe less buyback. Thank you.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Yeah. Okay, Paul. You want to start with the second part of this first?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yeah. I think, in terms of where we are relative to mid-cycle, when you start the year 30 million barrels below on distillate inventory, the distillate market looks very strong. I think where we've been relative to mid-cycle, we've been below mid-cycle largely because the diesel cracks have been softer. I think you'll see significant strengthening in the diesel cracks, you'll begin to pull above mid-cycle margins as we move through the year.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Mike, do you want to talk about debt?

Mike Ciskowski
EVP and CFO, Valero Energy

I guess on the debt, we're at 23% debt to cap, which is low end of our range. We don't have a lot of maturities upcoming. None so far in 2018. I guess I just really hadn't thought much about paying debt down at this time.

Paul Sankey
Analyst, Wolfe Research

That's very clear, guys. Actually, no, it's not. Could I just go back to the mid-cycle thing? Sorry, were you saying that you think we're above mid-cycle right now?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

I think we've been below mid-cycle, but you'll start to transition to a period where we'll be above mid-cycle moving forward.

Paul Sankey
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Yeah. Okay. As I said, it was kind of a follow-up. Thanks very much, guys.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Benny Wong with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Benny, you there?

Benny Wong
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hey, guys. Sorry about that. Just figuring out how to use the phone still, I guess. Hey, guys. Hi, Joe.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Hey, Benny.

Benny Wong
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Quick question for you. I guess this is more on a regulatory front, so this might be for Jason here. Just in regards to the CAFE standards that are coming up. They're going through the midterm review. I think you're expected to have a decision or an outcome in April. Just wondering if there's any thoughts of anything you guys are looking for coming out of that, if there are any efforts to roll back efficiencies, would that be held up if California doesn't want to get on site?

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Okay. Yeah, this is Jason. Yeah, we're of course happy that Trump's reopened that midterm evaluation. The EPA, I think, is going to meet that April 1st deadline. The administrator's very firm on meeting his obligations, so we think there's not going to be any delay in it. We understand they've been having productive conversations with Memphis and California . Everybody would prefer to have one national program. The autos certainly prefer that, I think the EPA is trying to make that work if they can. We did see, it looked like the majority of the autos had used credits from past years to meet the EPA standard for 2016. That tells you this is something that definitely needs to be looked at, these ever-increasing numbers.

If we're starting to have trouble at 2016, I believe the EPA said that they would have enough credits to keep themselves whole through 2021. We're hoping this process will end in some leveling off of the standards at a reasonable number that the market allows you to sell cars that people actually want and is sustainable.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Well, it's encouraging that they're allowing the midterm review to be completed. I mean, the previous administration aborted the process kind of in midstream. The fact that you're reassessing it shows that the autos are doing a good job of communicating their situation to the EPA and the other regulatory bodies. It'll be interesting to see what happens. This conversation on CAFE dovetails into the conversation around octane and the comments that Lane made earlier. It's an issue that needs to be resolved, and it needs to be resolved in a reasonable way. Unless we're going to start dictating to U.S. consumers what it is that they can buy.

Benny Wong
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Appreciate the color. Just in regards to the alkylation unit, just wondering how much did the new tax environment impact that decision, if any, and if there's any projects in your portfolio that maybe weren't that attractive before that may be a little bit more interesting now in the new environment?

Lane Riggs
EVP and COO, Valero Energy

Hey. This is Lane. The alky, it wasn't like it was on the fence with respect to our hurdle rates. Again, we use hurdle rates primarily as a way to focus the organization on. We start with a strategic view, we look at these projects in the context of our strategic view. We use these hurdle rates to ensure that we at least minimize our commodity risk involved. That was a long answer to say, no, the tax regulation didn't change how we were going to think about the alkylation unit. That same answer sort of pertains to how we view strategic investment in general. It remains to be seen. I think, again, we've said time and time again, we'll use our free cash flow to go through our asset allocation model, and we'll just see how it all works out.

Benny Wong
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks, guys.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

You bet, Benny.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Neil Mehta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good morning, team.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Hi, Neil.

Neil Mehta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

A question, I know I asked you this a couple of weeks ago, but still trying to get my head around it, is trying to figure out what the new normal is for Brent WTI. Obviously, it's a fluid number, and we'll blow through it on the way up and the way down. We try to frame these things in terms of transportation economics, usually. How do you guys think about when you think about the outcomes for a normalized Brent WTI spread? What are the legs from an economic standpoint that kind of frame what you guys think of as that new normal?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Hey, Neil, this is Gary. The way we look at it is that with incremental production coming online in the Permian and in the Cushing region, you're beginning to push the logistics assets getting to the Gulf. You're really looking at a spot or walk-up tariff, which today is $3 to $3.50 to get to the Gulf. A Cushing barrel or a DSW barrel, when it gets to the Gulf, generally has about a $1 quality differential. That moves you from this $3 to $4, $4.50, and then you have about another $0.50 to get it on the water. We kind of view that anywhere in this $4.50 to $5 range is kind of what we believe is a sustainable Brent TI spread.

Neil Mehta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

We were getting to a similar outcome. One question we had was around just once you get to the water, are there any limitations around crude export capacity or constraints just logistically? Just curious, as people who are doing it, whether you see any. Especially if the U.S. continues to grow at this pace over the next couple of years, do we run into a wall at some point?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Well, we may at some point. I don't think we feel like the logistics are limiting today. What you do see, even with the ARB where it is today, you start to see people charge higher and higher premiums for dock access. Today, that $0.50 number I quoted is more like $0.90 if you want to get to the water as people see the wide ARBs.

Neil Mehta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chi Chow with Tudor, Pickering, Holt. Your line is now open.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Great, thanks. Good morning.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Hi, Chi.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Hi. Regarding product exports, looks like you guys are still going pretty strong in the fourth quarter there. Do you see any risk ahead out of the Gulf Coast? For instance, do you expect the market to change at all with reports of Pemex really progressing on sorting out its own operations?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Chi, this is Gary. I don't think we see anything that's significantly different in terms of Mexico or South America. One, we think it's going to take Pemex longer to get the improvement in refinery utilization Than the numbers that they're quoting. You're also seeing good demand growth. Even if refinery utilization improves, we think that demand growth will outweigh that improvement in refinery utilization, and we'll still see strong export demand into those regions.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Okay, great. Thanks, Gary. Then on the Mexico strategy, couple questions. What's the term on the agreements you have with IEnova on the three terminals and also for Ferromex on the rail services?

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

It's 20 years on the Ferromex, it's less than that on the IEnova. It's half that. We have the option to extend those contracts.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Okay, great. Do you see any risk to the momentum on energy reform down there on what might transpire from the upcoming presidential election?

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Yeah, we're watching it pretty carefully. We don't know any better than anybody else what might be the potential outcome of their election. I did read, though, this morning that there hasn't been a direct statement by the opposition party that they would undo the reforms, and if there was an attempt to try to do that, it would be very difficult to execute. Jason, do you have any other color on that?

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

No, that's right, Joe. The elections are coming up July 1st. It is a big election in Mexico. The concern you see voiced most is about Mr. López Obrador's views on energy reforms.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Right

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

he's made out, being in favor of them. We've always been told it's very hard to undo these now that they're in place. Basically, to change their constitution. There was a lot of short-term pain when this first started getting rolled out, but we're confident people will figure out this is really in the best long-term interest of the Mexican economy, and that view's going to prevail.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Do you think López's comments, is it just campaign rhetoric, or does he actually believe some of the statements he's put out there?

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Oh, geez. We don't know.

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

It's so hard to tell, right?

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

We don't know.

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Yeah.

Chi Chow
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt

Okay. No, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Okay.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Thanks, Chi.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kristina Kazarian with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Kristina Kazarian
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey, guys.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Morning.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Morning.

Kristina Kazarian
Analyst, Credit Suisse

A number of the pipeline companies have talked about building pipes from Permian to Corpus. Could you maybe talk about your thoughts about potentially committing to a long-term capacity on a pipe like this, given your refining footprint on the Gulf Coast and maybe even potentially partnering with one of those companies to take an ownership stake in one of those pipes, and how you think about something like that?

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

Sure, Kristina, this is Rich. Currently, there's a lot of open season projects going on right now. EPIC and Buckeye and Magellan have got projects going on from the Permian to Corpus or to Houston. We don't have any binding commitments with anybody. You know us, we're always looking at logistics opportunities that can reduce our secondary costs or provide third-party revenues. It's interesting. We're not committed to anything.

Kristina Kazarian
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Does that mean lack of interest at this point or just haven't decided on since there are so many options?

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

There's a lot of options, and we're looking at them. The good news is, right, that's just going to mean there's more crude coming into Corpus for Corpus refinery. That's always a good thing when there's excess pipeline capacity coming into the markets where our refining capacity is.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Well, there's not a lack of interest on our part.

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

Right.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

It's just, you evaluate your options against the other options and what benefit it brings to not only the LP, but also to Valero Energy. We'll continue to look at them. I think Rich's point is we're looking at them, but we haven't made any commitments today.

Rich Walsh
EVP, Valero Energy

Correct.

Kristina Kazarian
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Perfect. A longer-term one, maybe on the other side of some of the questions you guys got asked earlier around M&A. With a lot more capital in the refining space, do you think there's chance that you see other bidders out there in the market that might make you guys think about potentially considering selling some non-core assets if you were to get increased interest across the space?

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

We don't have any non-core assets. Okay? That's the first part of that. I would say you may see more M&A activity as a result of this, but we also talked earlier about bid-ask spreads being very high. I would suspect that it wouldn't take long for a seller to figure out that he could extract a premium based on everyone's new situation under tax reform. The prices will adjust. We could probably work ourselves into a thesis that said there's going to be a lot more activity, but buyers and sellers are both aware of the same facts, and so I don't know that a whole lot's going to change at the end of the day.

Kristina Kazarian
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Todd with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Ryan Todd
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

If you would like to-

Great. Thanks, guys. Maybe a couple quick specific ones. Can you share your thoughts on what you think the status is of the Biofuel Tax Credit extension, whether you made any assumption on its inclusion or exclusion in your numbers, and whether it would offer upside to the $350 million pro forma theoretical tax savings for 2017?

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Yeah, Jason, you or Martin want to talk about it? He's just saying would it create upside?

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Okay.

Joe Gorder
Chairman, President, and CEO, Valero Energy

Are we going to get it, would it create upside?

Jason Fraser
VP of Public Policy and Strategic Planning, Valero Energy

Yeah. We do think the legislation that would bring. It's been caught up and delayed in the government funding immigration situation. We do expect it to be passed retroactive for 2017 and extended through 2018 at the end of the day. It's just got caught up in all the Washington drama right now. We don't think it's going to get changed to a producer's tax credit. That may be something that's revisited going forward, but everybody involved seems to see with everything going on, they just need to try to keep the current law and get that passed for these two years and look at talking about subsequently changing it on out into 2019. We think it's going to happen. It's just a question of when.

Ryan Todd
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Its value to us?

Martin Parrish
VP of Alternative Fuels, Valero Energy

Well, it's significant value to us for the JV. It's $1 a gallon retroactive, right? It's $160 million. It's significant.

Ryan Todd
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thanks. Maybe one other specific one. There's been quite a bit of recent weakness in fuel oil spreads, particularly on the high sulfur fuel oil spreads recently, even above and beyond what I guess we would expect seasonally. Can you speak as to what you think the drivers of this have been? Is it a function of fundamentals? Is it a front-running of the IMO trade, or too early for that, or any thoughts on that? Your potential to potentially capitalize on lower feedstock costs?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Yeah, I think it's probably too early for any of the IMO impact to be seen in the market. I think what you're seeing, though, is globally, countries are beginning to put in infrastructure to be able to import LNG, then they ban the burning of high sulfur fuel oil for power generation. You've seen that transpire in a couple countries, and as those countries roll off and stop consuming fuel oil, you see weakness in the markets. I think that's what we've seen recently happen in the market.

Ryan Todd
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, thanks. Is this something you can capitalize on within the portfolio or relatively insignificant in the scheme of things?

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

No, it very much is. High sulfur fuel oil has a significant impact on the heavy sour crude prices. As high sulfur fuel gets discounted, we generally see wider quality discounts, which benefit us greatly.

Ryan Todd
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. Thank you.

Gary Simmons
SVP of Supply, International Operations and Systems Optimization, Valero Energy

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude Q&A for today. I'd like to return the call to Mr. John Locke for any closing remarks.

John Locke
VP of Investor Relations, Valero Energy

Okay. Well, thanks everyone for joining us on the call. If you have any additional questions or didn't get a chance to ask, please just give us a call at the investor relations team. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.