Good morning. My name is Janisha, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Release Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
I will now turn the call over to Mr. Ed Elgal, Director of Investor Relations. You may begin your call.
Thank you, Denisha. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q2 2014 earnings conference call. With me this morning are David Steiner, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Fish, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Jim Trevathan, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. Before we get started, please note that we have filed a Form 8 ks this morning that includes the earnings press release and is available on our website at www.wm.com. The Form 8 ks, the press release and the schedule for the press release include important information.
During the call, you will hear forward looking statements, which are based on current expectations, projections or opinions about future periods. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Some of these risks and uncertainties are discussed in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10 ks. David and Jim will discuss our results in the areas of yield and volume, which unless otherwise stated, more specifically, references to internal revenue growth or IRG from yield or volume. Additionally, any comparisons unless otherwise stated will be with the Q2 of 2013.
During the call, David and Jim will discuss our earnings per diluted share, which they may refer to as EPS or earnings per share. David and Jim will also address operating EBITDA and operating EBITDA margin as defined in the Form 8 ks filed today. EPS, income from operations margin, operating EBITDA and operating EBITDA margin results discussed during the call have been adjusted to exclude items that management believes do not reflect our fundamental business performance or are not indicative of our results of operations. These measures in addition to free cash flow are non GAAP measures. Please refer to the earnings press release footnote and schedules and the Form 8 ks filed today, which can be found on the company's website at www.wm.com for reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures and additional information about our use of non GAAP measures.
Please note that our Form 8 ks filed earlier this morning also include a copy of our press release announcing that we have entered into an agreement for the sale of Wheelabrator. You should be aware that projected EPS, free cash flow and all other forward looking statements, except those specifically pertaining to the Wheelabrator transaction, do not incorporate any benefits or costs associated with the Wheelabrator transaction. For additional information on the proposed transaction and related risks and uncertainties, please see the press release filed as Exhibit 99.2 to our Form 8 ks. This call is being recorded and will be available 24 hours a day beginning approximately 1 p. M.
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Thanks, Ed, and good morning from Houston. We had a very good quarter and we'll talk in detail about our results. But first, I wanted to discuss the news in today's press release announcing that we've signed a definitive agreement to sell our wheel abrader waste to energy business to Energy Capital $940,000,000 As we've said before, our waste to energy business has 2 distinct components. The tip fees that we receive on the front end and the payments for energy on the back. We do not view the energy payments as strategic and we do not have the depth of energy expertise that Energy Capital Partners has.
Consequently,
we've entered into
a waste supply agreement for the front end, where we will use our expertise to fill up the plants for 7 years just like we do today. But we will no longer have the volatility of our financial results related to wheeler brady electricity sales. We use the proceeds from the sale in a way that is most accretive to earnings and create the most shareholder value. We'll do so by buying back shares or doing acquisitions in our core business if they're more accretive and can create long term shareholder value. We'll do all of this while maintaining our strong balance sheet.
Wheelabrator is a high performing organization that reflects the quality of the people, our friends and colleagues that operate it. I want to thank Mark Weidman and the entire Wheelabrator team for their hard work and dedication. They made our waste energy business successful and we anticipate that the business will continue to be successful under Mark's leadership and ECP's ownership. Returning to 2nd quarter results, the solid performance that we saw in the first Q2. Once again, our yield and cost control programs drove growth in both our income from operations and operating EBITDA and led to expanded margins in our traditional solid waste business and our overall business.
In the Q2, we earned $0.60 per share, an increase of over 10% when compared to the Q2 of 2013. In addition, we saw nice improvement in net cash provided 2014, our employees are executing on our business plans and we're encouraged by the strong results. We expect that this performance will continue throughout the remainder of the year. Our yield program continues to be a significant driver of our margin expansion. For the Q2, our collection and disposal yield was 2.3%, which is the 5th consecutive quarter of yield above 2%.
It's down slightly from our Q1 yield, primarily due to increased revenue and the anniversary of the implementation of our regulatory cost recovery fee in 20.13. Our core pricing remains very strong at 3.9%, a year over year improvement of 10 basis points. Each of our lines of business had positive yield with the exception of landfill C and D. In the landfill MSW line, same store average rates increased 5.1% and through the 2nd quarter nearly 90% of our contracted third party landfill customers have percent and we saw a 3.1% increase in our residential line. This has had some effect on volumes, particularly with regard to national accounts and residential contracts, but we continue to see the trade off as positive, as as the operating margin in our traditional solid waste business was up 50 basis points.
Turning to volumes. In the second quarter, volumes were
a negative 1.4%, which
is an improvement of 40 basis points from the 1st quarter. More than 50 percent of our volume decline came from several low margin, but large national account losses. In the second quarter, we saw positive landfill and transfer station volumes more than offset by declines in the collection lines of business. Despite negative volumes, overall income from operations grew more than 9% and our income from operations margin grew 120 basis In addition, operating EBITDA increased more than 5% and operating EBITDA margins increased 120 basis points to 25.6%. When we issued volume guidance at the beginning of the year, we expected volumes to be around a negative 1% for 20 14.
Through the 1st 6 months, volumes have declined 1.6% and we now expect that to be about the run rate for the remainder of the year, with the change being primarily attributable to the continuing impact of lost national account business. Our recycling operations also performed better in the quarter, adding almost $0.01 in earnings per share compared to the Q2 of 2013, despite a 2.1% decline in average commodity prices. The efforts that we put in place to improve our enforcement on contaminated loads and modify the methods for calculating rebates to customers are paying off. Operating costs in the recycling line of business improved almost 8%, primarily due to lower rebates and reduced labor costs. Turning to our waste energy business.
In the Q2, operating results were essentially flat when compared to 2013. We did not change our full year EPS or free cash flow guidance as a result of the proposed sale of Wheelabrator. But if the deal closes before the end of the year, it could have a minor impact on earnings and cash. On average, our waste to energy operations would produce about $0.015 of earnings and 10,000,000 dollars in free cash flow per month. We expect that this transaction will close sometime in the last 2 months of the year, in which case the effect on this year's earnings and free cash flow would be minimal.
Our solid first half performance on yield and cost controls makes us confident that we can meet or exceed our full year earnings growth goals. But 1st and foremost, our company operates to generate cash flow. And when we combine our yield and cost focus with our focus on we expect to meet or exceed the $1,500,000,000 high end of our free cash flow guidance. I'll now turn the call over to Jim to discuss our Q2 results and the sale of Wheelabrator in more detail.
Thank you, David. Before I discuss the details of our Q2 results, I want to provide some additional information on the sale of our Willer Brater business. After normal transaction adjustments to the sales price, we anticipate receiving about $1,850,000,000 in cash once the transaction is finalized late this year. With our basis in Willoughbrater, we will pay no taxes on the transaction and it should generate a capital loss of approximately $300,000,000 that we can utilize over the next 5 years. Our base Willard Raider divestiture model assumed a partial use of proceeds to maintain leverage neutrality with the majority of the proceeds going to share repurchases.
The diluted EPS accretion in that model is about $0.02 per share for 2015. Of course, we will look for reasonably priced core businesses to replace the $220,000,000 of Witterbatter EBITDA if they're accretive to the base model. In either case, we would selectively retire debt to the extent necessary to maintain our strong balance sheet and our target leverage ratio of about 3 times EBITDA. On the share repurchase front, we'd anticipated that we'd be in market repurchasing our shares in the first half of twenty fourteen. However, we suspended share repurchases while the Witterbatter transaction was pending.
Now that we've announced the transaction, we've entered into an accelerated share repurchase program to spend the full amount of our previously announced $600,000,000 authorization on share repurchases. We will fund the $600,000,000 on August 1 and will receive an additional an initial delivery of approximately 9,600,000 shares, representing 70% of the shares expected to be retired. The actual number of shares repurchased will depend upon the volume weighted average price of our stock, less the discount during the repurchase period, which we expect to be 3 to 6 months. Turning to our Q2 results. Our revenue grew 1% to $3,560,000,000 Strong yield and acquisition revenue were the main drivers with volume declines and a negative foreign currency translation muting revenue growth.
The foreign exchange impact on revenue was approximately $14,000,000 We continue to see improvement in all our cost lines. Operating costs as a percent of revenue improved 90 basis points to 64.6 percent and improved $1,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. Reduced cost at our recycling facilities and the sale of an asset improved the cost of operations $41,000,000 and were partially offset by increased costs related to recently acquired businesses. SG and A costs were flat when compared to the Q2 of 2013 at $353,000,000 and improved as a percent of revenue by 10 basis points to 9.9 percent. We're still on target to achieve our full year SG and A goals.
Turning to cash flow. For the Q2, we generated $447,000,000 of free cash flow, an increase of $100,000,000 when compared to 2013. We accomplished this by growing our net cash provided by operating activities $10,000,000 to $555,000,000 by improving working capital and by maintaining discipline on capital spending. The growth in net cash provided by operating activities was muted by an increase of over $70,000,000 in cash taxes, primarily related to the repatriation of accumulated cash from Puerto Rico operations and the expiration of the bonus depreciation allowance. Our capital expenditures for the quarter were 208,000,000 dollars a decrease of $27,000,000 from the Q2 of 2013.
We also divested our Puerto Rico operations and other assets in the quarter for about $100,000,000 Year to date 2014, we've generated $931,000,000 in total free cash flow and $665,000,000 excluding divestiture proceeds. This is the highest free cash flow we've ever generated through the 1st 6 months of the year and puts us on track to meet or exceed the upper end of our full year free cash flow goal of between $1,400,000,000 $1,500,000,000 despite a planned pickup in capital
expense
in the second half of twenty fourteen. Looking at internal revenue growth for the total company, in the second quarter our collection and disposal yield was 2.3% with volumes declining 1.4%. This led to income from operations growing $48,000,000 operating income margin growing 120 basis points, operating EBITDA growing $48,000,000 and operating EBITDA margin growing 120 basis points. Our collection line of business continues to see the benefit of the yield volume trade off. Both our commercial and industrial yields were 4.2%, while residential was 1.6%.
Overall collection yield was 3.2% with volumes declining 4.1%. This led to income from operations growing $7,000,000 and margin expanding 10 basis points. The industrial line of business drove the growth in income from operations, but that growth was muted by declines by continued declines in the residential line, where we lost 2 profitable franchise contracts. In the landfill line of business for the Q2, we saw the benefits of both positive volume and positive yield just as we did in the Q1. Total landfill volume increased 3.9%.
Combined special waste and revenue generating cover volumes were positive 2.1%. MSW volumes grew by 4.4% and C and D volume grew 11 0.5%. MSW yield rose 2%. This led to income from operations growing $9,000,000 which is the 5th consecutive quarter of growth and margins grew 20 basis points. Finally, looking at our other financial metrics, at the end of the second quarter, our weighted average cost of debt was 4.79% and the floating rate portion of our total debt was 12% at the end of the quarter.
Our income tax rate in the quarter was 44.7%, primarily because foreign cash accumulated in Puerto Rico was repatriated to the United States upon divestiture of the operations. For the next two quarters, we expect our tax rate to be approximately 35%. We are encouraged by the results for the 1st 6 months of the year, which put us on track to meet our full year targets. The strong momentum in our pricing and cost controls sets up nicely sets us up nicely for the second half of twenty fourteen and positions us for continued success into 2015 as we look to redeploy the proceeds from the sale of Wheelbreaker. Would be remiss if I did not thank our employees for their hard work.
Because of them, 2014 has been successful so far and we're looking forward to continued improvement with their health. I would particularly like to thank the employees at Willebrand. They've been valuable teammates who take pride in running a great and safe business. I know they will continue that success under the ownership of ECP. And Janisha, with that, we'll open the line up for questions.
Your first question comes from the line of Scott Levine of Imperial Capital.
Hi, good morning guys.
Hi, Scott. Good morning.
Congratulations on the quarter and the sale of Wheelabrator there. And I guess my first question here is in the press release announcing the sale, you mentioned the fact that there are some targets out there that you're interested in and that there is a good sized pipeline. We haven't seen a lot of larger acquisitions with the exception of RCI out of you guys recently, but a little bit more color on what you see out there and additional thoughts with regard to the timing at which point you might look at deploying capital for buybacks versus M and A? A bit more color on your investment plans as you see them for the proceeds after the deal closes?
Yes. Scott, generally what we're looking at as you can well imagine are sort of those smaller tuck in acquisitions. And obviously you've got to in to in order to spend the kind of money that we're selling this wheeler brader business for, we're going to have to put together quite a lot of those. So it will take time if we're going to replace that EBITDA. Theory of the transaction was that we didn't want to do we would buy back shares.
The whole theory of the transaction was that we didn't want to do a deal that wasn't going to be accretive to earnings. And so we use this base case of 100% of proceeds going to debt pay down and share repurchases as our base case. The good news is that that's accretive. And to the extent that we can buy businesses to tuck them in that that would replace the EBITDA that's a net positive for us. So we'll be looking at that over the next few months as we move toward a closing.
And then I would expect, Scott, that once we do close it at the end of the quarter, mid 4th quarter, we'd have a much better defined plan as to how much of those proceeds we can actually deploy into new businesses.
Great. And we'll look for that. And then as my follow-up, I think Jim had mentioned that you'd lost a couple of profitable franchise contracts during the quarter. Maybe a little bit more color regarding the competitive landscape and your commitment to pricing. I'm assuming that continues.
But is the environment becoming more or less competitive? A bit more color on the operating environment and pricing there.
Yes. Look, the residential line of business is always very competitive because they are large contracts sort of just like the national accounts. I would characterize the pricing environment as fairly stable. Look there's really only 2 things that we can look at to determine the pricing environment and that's the discussions with our local managers and publicly reported reported statistics. I don't think there's any doubt that in the last 12 months to 18 months, we've seen some of our larger competitors favor volume over price.
That's not something that we traditionally have done and obviously that has cost us volume. But overall, I'd say that when you look at all the competition out there that it's fairly stable.
Great. You very much.
Your next question comes from the line of Derek Sibogna of Macquarie Capital.
Hey, good morning gentlemen. Congratulations on the quarter and wheeler breeder.
Thank you. Thanks.
So maybe one first on the core. The landfill pricing, MSW landfill pricing you mentioned of positive 5.1%. Does that include any of those contracts which are linked to CPI? And maybe give us a sense I know you guys have talked about on the overall business about 40% of the contract being linked to CPI, but maybe give us a sense of what that is on the landfill side just to get an understanding of how much of that business is versus competitive markets versus what's linked to CPI?
Yes. When we look at landfill contracts, there's really two things. It's not just CPI. There's also a lot of those contracts will have just a standard price increase in it. So just to use an example, it might be a $30 contract and it goes up to $32 the following year, dollars 34.
So it won't have a specific CPI related, but it will have a specific price increase. So a large portion of our contracts would have those types of price escalators in them. What we've said is that we're going to look at those contracts as they renew and we're going to get higher price increases. And then to the extent that we have volume that we can raise price on immediately, we're going to look for 5% to 7% price increases. We really just started to turn all of our focus to the landfill Got
it. That
Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe one on Wheel Operator. This is we've talked about it over the last couple of years about potential sale. You maybe talk about the timing?
I mean, why now? And have you been in negotiations for a while for sale of this asset? And maybe just a little more color around that, please?
Well, look, as you know, there's been rumors out there for probably 2 years that we've been looking at the sale of Willowbrater. But it needed to be the right partner for us. We feel like we found the right partner. It needed to be the right waste supply agreements for us. And feel like we've crafted a good supply agreement with ECP.
So it was not so much around when the timing was, but when we could get the various features of the agreements together that satisfied both us and the partner that we're selling to.
And I would tell you that Jim led the negotiations for the transaction. And from Jim's point of view, I can promise you that he thought the negotiations lasted a very long time because he spent a good portion of his time literally over the last 6 months getting this deal done.
From my wife's point of view as well.
Got it. Well done gentlemen. Congratulations. Thanks.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra of Deutsche Bank.
Thanks. Pretty close. Amit Mehrotra here from Deutsche Bank. Congrats guys. Let me add a nice quarter and congrats on the announcement as well.
Thank you.
First question is on pricing. Could you just comment on maybe in terms of what inning you are or you guys are in with respect to pricing growth? And if we look out this time next year, will we be talking about the 9th straight quarter of 2% plus yield? And just as a follow-up to that, what level is the company willing to see volume comps get more negative to get to the same level of price and mix growth?
Yes. When we look at the pricevolume trade off, I will tell you that I would expect that next year you will hear us say it's the 9th straight quarter of over 2%. Now as we talked about, you saw it go from 2.6% to 2.3%. That's really more mathematical things than anything else. It's the anniversary and some various fees.
So it's not an indication that we're going backwards in pricing. It's really more just an indication of mathematics. But you should see that above 2% for the certainly the near future and I would expect well through 2015. When you think about the volume trade offs, you've got to look at it in various lines of business, right? When we look at it, we say, what are those lines of business where we can get volumes without affecting the pricing dynamics in a market and we're going to focus more on those volumes than we would on other volumes.
And so we want to be a little bit more circumspect in how we manage our volumes. We think that going into 2015, we should see some easier comps and we should see the volumes start to stabilize. And look that's what we've always said that this model really starts churning once you can get both yield over 2% and positive volumes. I would hope that in 2015, we can see that reality for the first time in many years.
Okay. That's helpful. And then just a follow-up on the sale announcement. Can you just update us on the cost plan that you guys have in place in terms of the 100 basis points reduction on a run rate basis by the end 2016? I'm assuming that would need to be recalibrated given the divestiture and that impact on the sales level.
Yes. I think if you think about the cost piece, what we're mostly talking about with Jim Travaithen and his team is on the core side of our business. And that is ongoing. And we feel like we're making progress there, as you saw in our results. So it won't be affected in terms of absolute dollars.
It could be affected in terms of basis points just simply because of the smaller business here. But I think the main point is that when we look at cost control, whether it is operating cost or SG and A, we feel like we're making very, very good progress with still additional progress to go.
Okay. Okay. Thanks very much.
Your next question comes from the line of Hamzah Mazari of Credit Suisse.
Good morning. Thank you. Just a question on the supply agreement. Could you give us a sense of how that supply agreement is structured with Energy Capital Partners? How long does it last for?
And specifically what we're looking for is, does this impact your ability to be strategic on disposal pricing, given that waste to energy plants are like landfills in your disposal network? Any color there would be good. Thanks.
So Hamzah, look the intent of the negotiation of the waste supply agreement was to replicate what Waste Management and WIDI have in place today. And I think we've done that. ECP's primary interest in the Waste Supply Agreement was volume certainty and both sides worked hard to craft an agreement that provides that volume certainty, but it also allows us to optimize our operation. For example, our landfills as you know are a critical piece of our business and we'll continue to bring tons in those landfills, while at the same time fulfilling the volume commitment. And I don't know whether that answers your question specifically, but I think we feel good about the fact that we've crafted a waste supply agreement that satisfies both parties' needs.
Okay. I can follow-up offline on that. That's fine. And then on the volume loss, could you give us a sense of how much more low margin business do you have in your portfolio? It seems like over the last couple of years, we've been pruning that.
Now we have a pricing gate. Are we near the end of pruning of low margin business? And then we should expect the pricing gate to come off once that process is done? Any color on that? Thanks.
Yes. Again, Hamzah, you got to look at it by line of business. I would say that on the commercial line, our primary focus is going to be on maintaining the customers that we have, right? We've said it many times that some customers will leave for price and those customers are going to leave. But everybody else, you got to make sure that you have a high level of service to maintain them.
So our core strategy on the commercial side would be to provide the best service and reduce the churn rate. On the roll off side, obviously, as you see temporary roll off improve throughout the country with residential and commercial construction going up, we would expect to get our fair share of volumes there. And so I would expect that we'll see the volumes on the roll off side turn positive in 2015. And then on the residential line, we probably still have some residential contracts that are low margin contracts. You should see those what line of business you're looking at on how we'll approach it.
That sort of talks about what we're going to do on each of the 3 collection lines.
Great. And just last question, I'll turn it over. Are there any other adjacencies that you would like to get into? It seems like there's maybe a little bit of medical waste still in the portfolio, but the rest of the adjacencies are gone. Is Energy Services a bigger vertical that you want to get bigger in?
Thanks.
Yes. Clearly, we would look to get bigger in Energy Services. It's been a good growth business for us. We'd expect that growth to continue and we'd like to get bigger there. On medical waste, I think it's been well documented that there's a very strong competitor that does a great job of keeping everybody out of that business.
And so we'd expect that business frankly to not be as much of a growth area as we thought it would be in the past. And so when we look at the growth areas, we're really looking at our Manufacturing and Industrial business and our Energy Services business.
Great. Thanks.
Yes, Hamzah, that Energy Services business continues to grow at a 25%, 30% clip for us. It still is relatively small compared to the size of the overall business, but certainly a nice growth engine.
Right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Alex O'Shea of Goldman Sachs.
Thank you. Good morning, guys.
Good morning.
First on the pricing thinking about the second half of twenty fourteen, will there be any notable impact from the flow through of the CPI, Yes.
The
CPI will likely be a little
bit lower.
Yes. The CPI will likely be a little bit lower in the back half of the year than it was in the front half of the year given the performance of CPI and the fact that a lot of our contracts reprice on July 1. But again, what we've always said is, if CPI is lower, we just have to go out and get those pricing dollars from other places. And so we expect that to continue in the back half of
fourteen. Got it, David.
And I'm not sure if I missed any incremental comments you had on bonus depreciation, but another competitor talked about the potential for it to be retroactively extended before the year end. And I'm curious if you have any thoughts around whether that potentially could happen? And if it does, what would be the impact on Waste Management's cash flows?
It's hard to predict what the government's going to do, I guess, but certainly could happen and we'd be happy it were extended. But the impact for us is substantial. It's probably close to $80,000,000 a year. So it's substantial. And part of when you look at cash flow from operations, part of the headwind was the expiration of bonus depreciation for the quarter.
It was worth about $20,000,000
Got you, Tim. Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Joe Box of KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Hey, good morning, guys. Good
Nice job on the recycling front offsetting some commodity weakness. I think clearly a step in the right direction. Can you just give us a feel for if this is the beginning and we should continue to expect lower rebates and lower labor expense? Or if this is maybe more of a one time true up and we should continue to see things kind of at this level?
Yes. No, this is definitely the beginning. And so it's a combination of things. It's continuing to manage our contracts and the rebate It's continuing to look at our cost structure and driving costs out. And then it's also rationalizing the plants where we don't have volume.
They've done a nice job in the first half of twenty fourteen. We'd expect that to continue through the back half of twenty fourteen. And then as we've always said all along, this thing really starts to cook if we see the commodity prices turn around. We're not forecasting that for the back half of the year, but we would expect to see continued benefit year over year from our recycling operations for Q3 and Q4.
Understood. And then on the residential side, I think David you mentioned potentially calling some contracts or repricing those contracts. I'm just curious what's your sense this business. Has that changed at all over the last couple of quarters?
I'm not sure that it's changed dramatically. Look, we are always going to be the higher priced provider in the residential line of business. I can give you a perfect example of the sort of the service price dynamic. We had a contract that we lost in Pennsylvania. We lost it purely on price and the contract went away.
And what the municipality found out is that they had dramatic service issues with the new provider. They came back to us and they said, we need you to look at taking this contract back. We said, we'll take it back, but it's going to have to be at our price. And they said, that's perfect. And we said, that's great.
Don't worry. We'll handle it from here. So it just goes to show that when you look at residential business, service matters. And when we look at the residential line of business, we're not looking to win every bid. What we're looking to do is to renew our current contracts at that current or higher rate because of the service that we provide and the partnership that we have with our communities for many, many years.
Got it. Thanks.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Corey Greendale of First Analysis.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning.
Just a couple of clarifying questions from some of your including all of your MSW volume, so that including all of your MSW volumes, so that includes the long term contractual stuff, which suggests that your pricing the gate rate is significantly higher than 5.1 percent?
That's right. That's exactly right.
So can you just help us with that a little bit? So like what percent of the overall LIBOR are you able to raise price at any given year? And what is the increase at the gate rate?
Yes. Given that those contracts are generally 3 to 5 years, you're seeing sort of anywhere from 20% to 30% of the volume that we can affect. And now remember that 5.1%, I don't want you all to think that that's across the board 5.1%. There is some mix in there, right? Because all that is doing is taking a look at same store sales.
But there is absolutely no doubt, the folks sitting around this table are looking at landfill pricing every month and every quarter and making sure that we're touching the customers that we can touch. As we mentioned, we hit 90% of our landfill customers in the first half of the year. The other 10%, it's not that we let them slide on pricing, it's that they're either event work or they have contracts that prevent us from doing it. And so we're going to take the same approach on landfill pricing that we took on the residential pricing, which is we're going to move that price up and it may end up costing us some volume. But when you look at the overall competitive effect on our overall business both collection and landfill, driving that landfill price up is positive for the entire business.
Yes. And when you talked about the various impacts on volume, you haven't kind of called that one out. Does that suggest that you're not seeing a substantial volume impact from the higher landfill pricing?
Yes. So far it's been actually I would say the landfill pricing environment has been probably as good or better than the environment on the collection side, right? Because as we've our pricing increases, we have not seen a dramatic loss of volume. We're hoping that will continue. Obviously, look, we can't do anything other than what we can do, but the pricing environment has been fairly stable there.
Okay. And then sorry, please.
Say that. This is Jim. Part of our answer honestly to our volume decline on the collection side is to raise prices on the landfill side. We talked about that a lot. But that is a critical component.
We're not I wouldn't say we're happy with the volume decline on the collection side. We're pleased with what we're seeing on the landfill side. But pricing is critically important at those landfills to help us with our volume decline collection wise as is customer service. But boy when you look at collection pricing, I know your question was around landfill pricing, but they're interrelated. We're just simply not going to turn the coin over.
That price volume coin that's on the price side right now, we'll be smart about it and but we're not going to turn that point over because it's detrimental to our results.
Got it. And then I had a follow-up question on the wheeler So by my calculation, you're still around 3 times levered even without paying down any more debt after you lose the 220,000,000 dollars in EBITDA. So how should we think about how much you're going to deploy into paying down debt immediately versus how much cash you'll sit on for potential acquisition?
Well, I think you're probably looking at where we were at the end of the quarter. And we were a bit low there, kind of artificially low with respect to leverage at the end of the quarter. The reason for that is that because we hadn't had any share repurchase year to date, we ended up using that to pay down our revolver. So a more normalized leverage ratio for us is 3%. Then as a consequence, when you do divest that $220,000,000 worth of EBITDA, we'll probably our calculation is we'll probably need about $400,000,000 in debt pay down in order to maintain that leverage neutrality.
Thanks for that clarification.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of Michael Hoffman of Stifel.
Good morning and thank you very much for taking my questions.
If we could get a little clarity, do
you have a sense of when you think the timing is for wheeler breaker?
A little bit hard to predict because it's a function of FERC approval and that really is the biggest uncontrollable hurdle at this point. But in talking through this with ECP, we believe it's somewhere within kind of 3 to 5 months, probably closer to 3 to 4.
Okay. So would you share with us then the year to date EBITDA? So if we're inclined to pull it out of the model and model the business without it, what am
I looking at year to date EBITDA?
Well, on an annual basis, the EBITDA is, as we said, is about $220,000,000 And really, there's not a heck of a lot of seasonality. There was a little bit more this year because of the real cold winter. But typically, the volume is pretty static. The price fluctuates a bit with your stronger electricity pricing being Q1 and Q4. But I'd straight line it for your analysis.
Okay. So can you help me with the $220,000,000 because if I take the 10 ks data add back the charge, I guess $171,000,000 So what's the difference between $171,000,000 $220,000,000
I don't know. I'd have to look at that, Mike. Okay.
And then was this shopped or was this a privately negotiated transaction?
What was the question again?
Was it shopped? Was the deal was this a fully marketed?
Well, we didn't do a per se a process on it. But we had interest from at least one other company where they actually sent a non binding letter of intent to us. And we went through quite a bit of work with them and came up with a number that was a fair amount lower than the 1.9 4%. And then of course, the last year, we probably no secret to anyone, but we had had conversations with Covanta at that point as well. So
Okay Okay. And then if we could talk about the pricing environment. When you think about the 5% number you've used around the landfill side or the 3% plus in the collection, how would you frame the percent rollback trend at this point? Is it worsening, stable, getting better? And I'm asking in the context of volumes have been on a reasonably good positive trend,
the market
volumes? And how does that inflow any things for rollbacks?
Yes. We had a big jump up in rollbacks in 2012. Since that time, we basically held our rollbacks below 20% And you saw the same thing this quarter. So I would say from the rollback perspective, what you're seeing is very much stability. When you're turning something around and you see a very low number, we turned it around literally on a dime.
And when you see someone turn something around that fast, you wonder, is it sustainable? And what we found on the rollback side is that it is sustainable. And so I'd expect that to continue at below 20% into the future.
And your churn rate is still running
at about 11.5%? Yes. The churn rate, obviously, it's affected by the national account loss. But if you take out the national account loss, you're looking at sort of 10% to 11% type
churn. Okay. And then are you at this juncture, it would appear you're not replacing 100% of your churn. You're replacing much of it, but not all of it. Is that an accurate observation?
That's correct. Okay. Which if you were to appraise 100% of the churn it probably would drive
the rollbacks that's widen that effectively? Yes. No, I think that's right. Okay.
And then on the I just want to make sure I understood correctly on the landfill reported the pricing issue. This is revisiting the strategy on collection be aggressive on price. Now let's bring a strategy to landfill. Let's be aggressive on price. And it's of that's a newer initiatives beginning about now.
Did I understand that correctly?
Yes. I mean, we've always known that the landfill pricing is one of the keys to a long term pricing program on the collection line of business. As I've said before, when you're going through the worst economic recession that you've had at least in our lifetimes and you're losing volumes fairly fast at the landfill, it's a little hard to go in and drive a pricing program. As we've seen the economy recover, as we've seen the volumes come back, it's a little easier to be more aggressive at the landfill. And we've done just that and we'd expect that to continue.
So this is a great way to force discipline into the market to the independents. As you've seen any evidence that that's also helping your churn and your rollbacks that you're forcing them to absorb the single biggest cost they have?
Yes. I would say we certainly haven't seen any ripple effects from pricing throughout the market. Look those small local competitors and the regional and even the national competitors that might not be integrated in the market, there's always going to be healthy amounts of competition in every market we serve. So I'm not sure that it can have that dramatic of an effect. But to the extent that it will have an effect over time, it will be over time.
We're certainly not seeing any effect currently.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Charles Redding of BB and T Capital.
Good morning, gentlemen. Just a quick follow-up on the front end load side. I mean, is it overly optimistic to expect some margin lift here from increased contribution? Is this are we simply just kind of at a point in the recovery where we can't do that?
Are you talking about related to the transaction or
No. On the commercial side in terms of collection volumes.
Yes. Look, we have to get better with our system. It's what I talked about earlier that the big leverage that we've got in our business is really on that commercial side because the density, the route density makes such a difference in there that you do have to look at it from a contribution margin point of view. And so as we look at our business, what we're going to try to do is look at those lines of business where we can pick up volume without affecting the marketplace. And then we're also going to look to start adding some density into our commercial routes.
Now again, we're not going to do it in such a manner to upset the competitive dynamics in any particular market. So it's going to take a period of time. Certainly, as we see the economy improve and as we see the commercial business get better across the country, it will give us more of an opportunity to go and take our fair share of the growth. We're not looking to grab market share here. What we're looking to do is to get our fair share of the growth.
So as you start to see those volumes grow, you should see our volumes in the commercial line get better.
That's helpful. And then in terms of the overall recovery, is it possible to see better commercial volume without housing? I mean is that are the 2 simply tied together such you couldn't get better volume there?
Yes. Look long term, I've always said that what you've got going on in the economic recovery is you've got housing starts for the 1st 18 months were sort of what I call tuck in housing. There wasn't a lot of new developments going up. It was teardowns in rebuilding houses. What you've seen in the last 18 months is you've started to see some big takedowns of large property swaps and you've seen new developments, particularly in places like Texas, Florida, California.
You're starting to see new housing developments. What comes along with the housing developments is commercial business, the new gas station, the new restaurant, the new gas, the new grocery store. And so you absolutely need to see a sustained housing recovery to see a robust commercial volume recovery. I think we're on the you all see it just like I do. The housing more and more housing developments.
You're starting to see more and more businesses that might have gone out of business during the downturn reopened. And so I would expect that throughout 2014 and particularly into 2015, you should see those commercial volumes grow. Now again, it's not going to be everywhere. This is a geographic game for us. You're not going to see commercial volumes grow as robust in some places as others.
But in those places where it's growing, we want to make sure that we get our fair share of growth. Great.
Thanks, David.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Barbara Novarini of Morningstar. Hi.
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning.
You mentioned that national account losses are partially responsible for the acceleration of volume declines past your original guidance. So are you working through your national account contracts in a similar manner as the rest of your business from a pricing perspective? And secondly, are these contract losses also affecting your recycling volumes?
Yes. They're not so much affecting our recycling volumes, but they're more so affecting just our traditional collection volumes. But it's exactly right. As we look through the national accounts, the largest one that we lost was a low single digit margin contract. And so as we we're treating our national accounts business sort of just like we treated our residential business 6 to 10 years ago, which is we're not going to we always say, we're not doing this for practice and we don't need a lot of practice doing this.
So we're going to make sure that we get a fair price on those national account businesses and we're not going to keep a national account just to maintain volume. The largest account the largest one that we lost again was a low single digit margin business. For the full year, we expect that we'll lose about $100,000,000 of annualized revenue. Of that annualized revenue about 2 thirds of it was will be very low single digit margin and about 2 thirds of it has hit up to June 30. So it'll the pace of that volume loss will accelerate a little bit in the back half of the year.
But again, you won't see a dramatic earnings hit because it was very low margin business.
Got it. And I know we've been asking this about like every line of business today, but what inning are we in the reviews of your national account businesses?
Yes. Look, we know exactly what we want to do in our national account business. So I would tell you that from a planning point of view, we're in the 8th inning. From an execution point of view, I would tell you we're in the 3rd inning. So there's still a lot of room to manage those contracts.
We plan to do that over the next few years, but we know exactly where we're going with it.
Got it. Thanks a lot.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Toni Bancorp of Gabelli.
Good morning, gents. Thanks for taking
my call.
You mentioned growth in the Energy Services as a
sort of a next step.
How much would you say looking 5 years out will be organic versus acquisitive growth? And if there is acquisitive and if there are, are there any large service energy service acquisitions that you've been looking at or out there?
We haven't been looking at any at this point, but and most of our growth has really come organically. We've done a few very small acquisitions in our Energy Services business. But we do consider it part of our core. And if there was an acquisition out there that looked like it was priced properly, we'd look at
it.
I will now turn the call over to David Steiner, President and CEO of Waste Management for closing remarks.
Thank you. Clearly, we had great performance from our Waste Management employees in the quarter. As Jim said, I think we'd be remiss without recognizing our colleagues at Wheelabrator who have done a phenomenal job over the years. And we don't view this as an end of a relationship, but at the beginning of another long term relationship. We are still going to be the primary provider of volume to the Wheel of Greater plant.
So this will be a change in the relationship, but it's been a great relationship and we expect that great relationship to continue. As we look at the rest of the year, as Jim mentioned, we've got FERC approval, which could take anywhere from 3 to 5 months. The good news with that is that it gives us 3 to 5 months to really develop a plan on what we're going to do with the proceeds from the divestiture. So I would expect that at the end of the third quarter, we'll have a fairly well defined plan that we can talk to you all about, about how we're all of which we think is going all of which we think is going to be a very positive driver for us at the end of 2014 and driving into 2015. So once again, we look forward to the future and we'll talk to you all at the end of the Q3.
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