Welcome to the Wynn Resorts third quarter 2022 earnings call. All participants are on a listen-only until the question and answer session of today's conference. To ask a question, press star one on your touchtone phone, record your name, and I will introduce you. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. This call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I will now turn the line over to Julie Cameron-Doe, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. On the call with me today are Craig Billings and Brian Gullbrants, Las Vegas. Also on the line are Ian Coughlan, Linda Chen, Frederic Luvisutto, and Jenny Holaday. I want to remind you that we may make forward-looking statements under Safe Harbor federal securities laws, and those statements may or may not come true. I will now turn the call over to Craig Billings.
Thanks, Julie. Afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. Before I get into the quarter, I'd like to thank the cast, crew, and producers of Awakening, our new show at Wynn Las Vegas, which successfully opened on Monday. The show is yet another example of our willingness to innovate and push the envelope to drive the strip forward. I'm incredibly proud of the team behind the show. I'll kick off in Las Vegas, where the team turned in a third quarter record with $196 million of EBITDA, or approximately $207 million adjusted for lower than normal holds. We saw broad-based strength across casino, hotel, food and beverage, and retail all well above third quarter 2021 levels despite the difficult year-over-year comps.
The comparison to third quarter 2019 is even more impressive, with our EBITDA more than doubling on a 36% increase in revenue. Our investment in people, facilities, and programming, and our team's deep sense of ownership continue to elevate Wynn Las Vegas above our peers. This quarter once again highlights the benefit of that deliberate investment strategy. Looking ahead, we're encouraged that the strength we have experienced over the past several quarters has continued into the fourth quarter. In fact, our EBITDA during October was an all-time monthly record for the property. Similarly, our forward-looking indicators also remain quite strong despite well-known macro concerns, as room bookings are pacing at or above pre-COVID levels on substantially higher ADRs.
Near term, we expect the normal seasonal pattern to hold during the remainder of Q4, with some of the usual softness surrounding Thanksgiving, followed by a strong close to the year in the latter half of December. Turning to Boston, like Vegas, Encore had a strong quarter, generating $61 million of EBITDA. We saw strength across the casino with record gross gaming revenue and on the non-gaming side with record hotel revenue, driven by strength in both ADR and occupancy. These trends have continued into Q4, with EBITDA per day in October consistent with the third quarter levels. Looking ahead, we remain excited about sports betting in the Commonwealth, which is expected to kick off early next year. Our retail sportsbook there will soon be a significant opportunity for customer acquisition.
We also continue to finalize our plans for our upcoming development project across the street from the property that will add incremental parking, food and beverage, and entertainment amenities. In Macau, the market continues to be challenging, with market-wide GGR in the third quarter only reaching approximately 8% of the third quarter of 2019 levels, and our results have reflected that. Our team has done a fantastic job controlling costs in a very challenging operating environment through a combination of decreases in payroll and fixed OpEx. As a result, despite the nearly two-week closure of casinos in the market in July, our overall EBITDA loss in the third quarter was $66 million, which was a meaningful improvement from a loss of $90 million in the second quarter, even after adjusting for a $7 million bad debt credit that benefited the results in the third quarter.
More recently, we did see some encouraging pockets of demand during the October holiday period, particularly in our direct VIP business, where turnover was actually slightly above the comparable 2019 holiday period, and in our retail business, where tenant sales reached 74% of 2019 levels. This once again highlights the strong demand for Macau's unique tourism offering during periods when the market is accessible. The authorities in Macau continue to advance the concession process according to the pre-established timeline. We were pleased to submit our concession tender application in September, and the government is currently reviewing the proposals, with decisions expected to be made by year-end. Long-term, we remain excited about the prospects for Macau, with so much pent-up demand for travel and tourism in Asia.
At Wynn Interactive, our overall EBITDA burn rate declined to $18 million in Q3 from $21 million in the second quarter of 2022 on the back of strong cost controls and improved marketing efficiency. We are looking forward to the potential for a significant catalyst for WynnBET in Massachusetts. Lastly, we're advancing quickly on our planning for Wynn Al Marjan Island, our integrated resort in the U.A.E. We're in the late stages of programming for the resort. Given the pristine beach setting and the somewhat malleable nature of a man-made island, we have an incredible canvas with which to work and design something truly unique. I expect we will share renderings, programming, and plans more publicly in early 2023. I also expect we will be driving piles for the foundation of the property by the middle of next year.
We look forward to sharing more details with you about this exciting project in due course. With that, I'll turn it back to Julie to run through some additional details on the quarter.
Thank you, Craig. At Wynn Las Vegas, we generated a third quarter record of $195.8 million in adjusted property EBITDA on $544.4 million of operating revenue during the quarter. Lower than normal hold negatively impacted EBITDA by around $12 million in Q3. Our hotel occupancy was 88.8% in the quarter, up 580 basis points year-over-year, and up 90 basis points versus Q3 2019. Importantly, we've stayed true to our luxury brand and continue to compete on quality of product and service experience. With our overall ADR reaching $426 during Q3 2022, up 8.7% versus Q3 2021 and 39% above Q3 2019 levels.
Our other non-gaming businesses saw broad-based strength across food and beverage and retail, which were up nicely year-over-year and also well above pre-pandemic levels. In the casino, our Q3 2022 slot handle increased 31.6% year-over-year and was 72.2% above Q3 2019 levels. Similarly, our table drops was up 12.5% year-over-year and was 32.4% above Q3 2019 levels, despite still suppressed international play during the quarter due to COVID-related travel challenges. The team in Vegas has done a great job of controlling costs without negatively impacting the guest experience, delivering adjusted property EBITDA margin of 36% in the quarter. On a whole normalized basis, our EBITDA margin was up approximately 1,300 basis points compared to Q3 2019.
OpEx, excluding gaming tax per day, was $3.6 million in Q3 2022, up 10% compared to Q3 2019 levels, but well below the 36% increase in revenue due to lower headcount and broad-based cost efficiencies in areas that do not impact the guest experience. We remain committed to maintaining a cost structure that appropriately balances margins and our exacting service standards. In Boston, we generated adjusted property EBITDA of $61.1 million in Q3 2022, with EBITDA margin of 28.9%. We saw broad-based strength across casino and non-gaming during the quarter. In the casino, we generated $184 million of GGR, a property record with strength in both tables and slots.
Our non-gaming revenue grew 33% year-over-year, with particular strength in the hotel, driven by 97% occupancy and a $398 ADR. We've stayed very disciplined on the cost side, with OpEx excluding gaming tax per day of approximately $1.1 million in Q3 2022. This was a decrease of over 10% compared to $1.3 million per day in Q4 2019 and broadly in line with Q2 2022. As we've discussed on prior calls, the year-over-year EBITDA and OpEx comps were impacted by a combination of contractual labor agreements, which added around $45,000 per day to our OpEx base beginning late in Q2 2022, along with a one-time benefit of $3 million in Q3 of last year.
We're well-positioned to drive strong operating leverage as we continue to grow the top line over time. On the Macau operations, delivered an EBITDA loss of $65.6 million in the quarter on $115.6 million of operating revenue as the COVID situation in the region has continued to suppress visitation. As Craig noted, while the businesses remain challenging, we experienced some encouraging pockets of demand during the October Golden Week holiday period, particularly in our direct VIP and retail businesses. Our OpEx, excluding gaming tax, was approximately $1.6 million per day in Q3, a sequential decrease compared to $1.9 million per day in Q2 2022. The team has done a great job remaining disciplined on costs in a difficult operating environment.
Longer term, we're well-positioned to drive strong operating leverage as the business recovers over time. Turning to Wynn Interactive, our EBITDA burn rate improved to $17.7 million in Q3 2022 from $21 million in Q2 2022, primarily driven by improved marketing efficiency and disciplined OpEx controls. Moving on to the balance sheet, our liquidity position remains very strong, with global cash and revolver availability of approximately $2.8 billion as of September 30. This was comprised of $997 million of total cash and available liquidity in Macau and $1.8 billion in the U.S. These numbers exclude the undrawn $500 million intercompany revolving credit facility Wynn Resorts entered into with Wynn Macau.
Our previously announced sale leaseback transaction for the real estate of Encore Boston Harbor remains on track to close before the end of the year. Pro forma for the transaction, we have approximately $4.4 billion of consolidated global cash and liquidity. Importantly, the combination of very strong performance in Las Vegas and Boston, with the properties generating trailing twelve-month EBITDA of over $1 billion together with our robust liquidity, creates a very healthy pro forma leverage profile in the U.S. Finally, our CapEx in the quarter was $87 million, primarily related to the Awakening Theater at Wynn Las Vegas and normal course maintenance. With that, we will now open up the call to Q&A.
Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touch tone phone, unmute your phone, record your name clearly after the prompt, and I will introduce you for your question. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. To withdraw your question, press Star two. Our first question comes from Carlo Santarelli with Deutsche Bank. You may go ahead.
Hey, Craig. Hey, Julie. Thanks everyone for your comments. Guys, I just wanted to kind of talk a little bit about what both of you mentioned as it pertained to the uptick that you're seeing in Macau. How much of that at this point do you think you could perhaps, and I understand it's kind of direct VIP, so a smaller number of players can really move the needle, but how much of a change have you seen since the visa policies were tweaked a little bit? With respect to the comments you made on non-gaming, is there potentially something that's kind of brewing that's shifting the pace a little bit of the return of customers?
Hey, Carlo. Sure, I'll start, and then I'll ask Ian to comment. I think on the latter portion of your question, you know, with Hong Kong being inaccessible, I think you've seen pretty reasonable retail sales in Macau, given it's more accessible than Hong Kong. I think that's just a natural outcome of accessibility. With respect to the former part of your question, I mean. It's like squeezing air in a balloon, right? The demand has to go somewhere. We weren't surprised to see an uptick in direct VIP growth in light of you know, in light of the market having no junkets. I don't think either one of them were surprising to us. We've seen it before.
We've over the course of the past year when there have been pockets of demand. Ian, would you add anything to that?
I'd just like to clarify that for e-visas, they haven't really gotten moving yet. They reopened on the first of November, so they wouldn't have had an effect on October activity. The activity that we saw in our VIP area and premium mass is linked to a certain extent to returning former junket players. We also saw it at Chinese New Year. We believe it's our premium positioning in the market and the facility and services that we offer make us attractive to those players, and there will be a return of them in the future.
Great, Ian. While you're there, is it possible that we will hear something I know you guys certainly said by year-end as it pertains to the granting of the concessions? Is it possible that between here and there, 7-8 weeks away, that we will hear some contingent licenses being handed out?
Anything's possible, Carlo.
Sorry. Anything's possible, Carlo, but you know, the pre-established timeline has been year-end.
Great. Craig, while I have you, I know you mentioned a little bit of development on the U.A.E and obviously some groundbreaking next year with more color in the first quarter of 2023. Could you talk a little bit about, you know, the progress and your learnings maybe at this stage, anything incremental you could share on that front?
Yeah, sure. I think I mentioned on a previous call that the more time we spend over there, and I was just over there recently, the more we believe in the non-gaming elements of that market. It's a tremendous non-gaming leisure and luxury market. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we're in the pretty late stages now of programming, so essentially determining what we're gonna build, not how it's gonna look, per se. Given that it's a man-made island without any existing development, it's an incredibly flexible location on which to plan. For example, if you wanna move a beach, you move a beach.
It's a really exciting project, and we've sought to maximize the relationship of the facility to its surroundings, particularly in the non-gaming amenities like food and beverage and wellness, and really take advantage of such a unique location. Meanwhile, you know, the casino component, where at least for some period of time, we will be operating on our own, which makes it quite exciting, is shaping up to be somewhat larger than Wynn Las Vegas, but with numerous pockets of energy and compression. Striking that balance is important when you think about a market like that, where you for some period of time will be the only operator. You certainly don't wanna underbuild the casino, but you wanna maintain that sense of energy.
I think the property is gonna be a stunner, and we look forward to sharing more in early 2023.
Great. Thank you both.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from Joseph Greff with JP Morgan. You may go ahead.
Good afternoon, everyone. I was hoping you could talk about Las Vegas, Craig, in a way that could be a little bit different than how you and your Strip peers have talked about trends up until recently, specifically about programming. Can you discuss maybe in this way that would be helpful as we try to ascertain the sustainability of currently strong trends. Can you talk about, you know, how many programming events do you have for the first half of next year versus the first half of this year, if visibility stretches out for the full year of next year, and can you compare that to full year of 2022? Is there a general rule of thumb relating to incremental revenues of an average programming event?
Sure. Look, I think Las Vegas has done programming for years in some form or fashion. I think as we emerged from COVID, and we were in many cases a better location in terms of accessibility, openness, masks, et cetera, et cetera, than some of our adjacent markets, particularly California. I think the trend towards programming and the willingness of a higher value customer to pop over to Las Vegas for a particular event increased meaningfully. By the way, at the same time, you obviously had a number of sports teams that had emerged in Las Vegas, most notably the Raiders, who drive a tremendous amount of visitation.
I think in general, the town has become quite good at really looking at every weekend or every you know two weeks as an opportunity to program something. The journey for us, I think, is slightly different, right? We don't think of programming as purely transactional. Who are we gonna plug into a particular theater on a particular day? For us, it's more holistic. How can we leverage all of the assets that we have in this building, including the golf course, which we've used to great success with the match, with the recent Concours d'Elegance car show that we drummed up and originated here. You know, how do we use the property as a stage? We think about that all the time now.
I don't have a heuristic for you where I can quote to you X number of events per year because really we're focused on it every single week. It certainly inures more than just revenue to the property, right? It makes you the see and be seen spot. That's important because marketing is no longer about billboards and about television commercials. It's about content. We've been incredibly good at creating content, and it doesn't hurt that during the pandemic, we continued to invest in this property and invest in our people. We're firing on every single cylinder here, and I think it shows in the numbers, and programming is a piece of it.
Great. Thank you. Craig, my second question relates to a topic that you might be limited in fully answering. We all saw Tilman Fertitta's Schedule 13G filing last week. So my questions are, one, have you had any conversations with him? Obviously, you talk with investors and prospective shareholders all the time. Two, what has he communicated to you as the reason for his sizable stake and when? And three, can you share that? Thanks.
Well, I guess what I can say is kudos to him because he's done quite well since he appears to have started acquiring in the second quarter when the stock was excessively cheap. It's actually right around when we were buying back some stock as well that we reported in our second quarter 10-Q. Based on what we've seen watching our share register as we do constantly, sometime in Q2, we began seeing accumulations really by certain banks that have traditionally been associated with derivative transactions like total return swaps, things like that. We watched those banks establish positions in our stock, and we were well aware of them. All in all, I think it's just a great recognition of the value in our equity, but there's not much more to say beyond that.
Thank you.
Thanks, Joe.
Thank you. The next question is from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America. You may go ahead.
Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. Craig, just wanted to go a little deeper on Las Vegas. We talked about sort of the top-line side a little bit, the outlook there. Could we talk about sort of labor and OpEx trends? I think you know, hold notwithstanding in the quarter, operating expenses were up a little bit. You know, can you just help us think about the puts and takes here as some of the non-gaming mix continues to come back, some of the group and banquet and catering stuff, the show comes in and has a bigger contribution.
You know, can you help us think about sort of the balance of those, you know, as we move into next year and we're starting to lap, you know, a really strong margin and rate, you know, average daily rate performance in 2022? I'm sure, you know, there's a different impact for dollars than for margin. Maybe help us think about some of that as we look out next year.
Yeah. Yeah, sure. I'll turn that one over to Brian.
Sure. Thanks, Shaun. Our team has really been incredibly disciplined over this last year and even, you know, before that coming out of the pandemic with respect to OpEx. We've driven real strong revenues. The EBITDA margin, as you can see, has been quite strong. In comparison to, you know, Q3 2019, amazing performance. I think this has all been done by us really balancing the revenue and our cost base, and most importantly, our brand, and really being conscious of that. You know, there's an impact from the seasonality of where we're at. Our hold obviously was a little down this last quarter, in labor being very well controlled by the team. I think that we can continue to see margin expansion, versus 2019 at almost any given revenue level.
The team's really been balanced on focusing on the revenue, the cost base and our brand. We've seen great growth. As far as ADR, we've seen very little resistance. If you're following our rates, which I'm sure you are, we've leveraged as much as we've pushed as hard as we can. Kudos to our revenue team and sales team. They're absolutely crushing it. We are seeing incredible records on our side for ADRs, and that's not just on the transient side. We're seeing that in group across every segment.
I would just add to that, as you know, Shaun, we don't target margin in any particular quarter, right? We target prudent management of our resources in order to deliver an experience that is consistent with the brand. We learned a lot during COVID. We are more nimble than we have ever been with respect to OpEx, and so we're running the business with less people. We're delivering on the brand promise as well as or better than we have historically, and that's how we manage the business.
Great. Thanks. For my follow-up, maybe for Ian, you know, it just.
You know, obviously the e-visa channel did open, I believe, on November first. Has there been any notable change or anything you could just say about traffic levels? Because that's obviously a material area that has been shut down for a very long period of time at this point. If not, you know, are there some counterbalancing forces we need to be aware of? I know there have been a decent number of lockdowns and you know, COVID outbreaks that also could have some impact here. Just what are you seeing on the ground?
Ian, do you wanna take that?
Shaun, we're very impressed with the government's reaction to the recent outbreak in Macau. When we had an outbreak in the summer, and we had a casino closure, there was a six-week cycle of closure and recovery. The government have managed to turn it around in two weeks this time. We're coming out of our recent outbreak, and I believe we will see the e-visas trickle in in the next couple of weeks and then pick up pace in the coming months.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Shaun.
Thank you. The next question is from David Katz with Jefferies. You may go ahead.
Hi, this is Cassandra on behalf of David. Thank you for taking my question. Can we talk about digital wagering? I think some operators kind of talk about October being close to breakeven or even EBITDA positive. Can you provide any update or incremental clarity on when you think the business might turn profit?
Sure. Look, in the long term, we think about this business, as I've said on prior calls, we think about it really over the longer term. In particular, iCasino, where we've had pretty reasonable success and our brand has real currency. As we've said before, what we aren't willing to do is burn billions of dollars between now and then, and I think we were the first to say so. We've done that. If you look at our results for Q3 year-over-year, we had almost the same total handle in both Q3 2022 and Q3 2021 on a 90% reduction in marketing spend and an 80% reduction in burn.
Because our initial customer cohorts continue to play with us, generating revenue, and we're being very thoughtful with respect to user acquisition and promos. With Massachusetts coming up, I would expect a modest uptick in UA, but nothing earth-shattering because we have a sizable database there, and we're highly likely to have retail sports betting without mobile for a while. The goals at this point are to launch Massachusetts and, as you said, achieve breakeven and then grow as the market does, particularly in iGaming, where again, our brand has currency. We can ultimately drive the best digital customers to Wynn Las Vegas and Encore Boston Harbor. We're not calling the EBITDA breakeven point yet, but I mean, if you look at our numbers, we're getting pretty close.
Great. Thank you. For the follow-up, has there been any updated thoughts on the excess land you have in Las Vegas? You know, what are some kind of strategies that could activate the value there?
Look, we're focused. The type of design and development that we do, you can't spread yourself too thin. We're very focused right now on the U.A.E and getting that right. It's a tremendous, very high return opportunity for us, we expect. That's really the focus of our design and development efforts at the moment.
Got it. Thank you for taking my question.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from Dan Politzer with Wells Fargo. You may go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. In Las Vegas, you talked a little bit about the programming benefits and going forward, we should be thinking about that. As you think about along with that, the, you know, group and convention business coming back and into 2023 and the occupancy uplift, is it fair to give you guys that full five-point credit going forward, you know, starting next year? Or is that something that's gonna be phased in more gradually?
We don't, again, we don't really talk about forward guidance, so I can't translate it into basis points. What I would say in general is that you're right. The group and convention business during the earlier portion of this year was a little bit thinner or certainly concentrated in very specific pockets. Over the course of really the past month and a half or so, we've seen the business come back more fully. That certainly is an occupancy tailwind, but quantifying it at this point, we don't do that.
Understood. Then in terms of capital allocation, you're set to receive the proceeds from the Encore Boston sale leaseback in the fourth quarter. Does that change your thinking in terms of allocating capital or, you know, in terms of how much you're buying back in terms of stock or maybe even a special dividend?
Well, the recurring dividend is really the cornerstone of our strategy, and it always has been, and certainly was pre-COVID. Our U.S. business is generating very healthy cash flow in our high ROIC development projects, U.A.E, the development we're doing adjacent to Boston. The press has reported that we're interested in New York. Those are well-funded, given particularly the cash infusion that you just referenced. The resumption of that recurring dividend really hinges on the recovery of Macau. I think it's a little too early to be talking about significant changes in capital allocation policy, you know, pending the return of Macau, which hopefully is, you know, over the next several quarters. Stay tuned.
All right. Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from Robin Farley with UBS. You may go ahead.
Great, thanks. Can you kind of remind us what your interest level is in a potential New York site at this point?
Yeah, I mean, sure, Robin. We are all about gateway cities, marquee developments, battleship assets, and so, yeah, we're always interested in locations like New York. The devil's in the details, of course, when it comes down to, you know, to what the upfront license payment ends up being, what the tax rate ends up being, what the detailed regulations end up being. Yeah, of course, we're interested in New York, as has been reported in the press.
you wouldn't necessarily give any more detail in terms of like potential location or timing expectation?
I think it's been reported that we are working with Related, which is Hudson Yards.
Right. Anything in terms of your timing expectations?
No. It's really dependent on the process. The RFP has yet to drop.
Yeah. Okay, thank you.
Sure.
Thank you, operator. We'll take one last question.
Thank you. Our final question is from Brandt Montour with Barclays. You may go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. You know, your margin story was really good here this quarter. You gave a stat on OpEx per day growth from 2019 up 10%. I was curious if we could look at that number on a CAGR basis and sort of get any comfortability around your ability to manage to that growth rate or if inflation picking up is gonna sort of impact that going forward?
Well, look, I'll take this one, Julie. First, you have to think back to our experience during COVID and kind of work forward. As we emerge from COVID, we were forced actually to become much more disciplined in terms of how we looked at costs. Now, we have always delivered the best guest experience in the business, and the challenge that we had was making sure that we continued to do that, but frankly, on a lower FTE count. We've carried that on. We're down FTEs relative to 2019 even in this quarter and even in last quarter when we printed nearly $240 million in EBITDA.
When you look at our OpEx per day now, a lot of it is variable and directly related to revenue. To your point on inflation works two ways in our business, right? The price of a hotel room can be adjusted every minute of every day. And that's one of the benefits of a business like ours. We feel good about our ability to manage labor costs. Now, we have a portion of our business that's union, and that's true of everybody, well, all the major players, other than one up and down the Strip. That's an important consideration. But we're not staying up at night stewing about the cost of labor or OpEx.
In fact, a vast majority or a large number of positions in our building are tipped. You know, folks that are tipped, where else do they wanna work? They wanna be here. We feel great about our margins. Again, we don't manage quarter-to-quarter to a particular margin. We manage our FTEs with discipline, and we try to maximize the revenue and maximize our delivery on the brand promise.
Excellent. Thanks for that. Just as a quick follow-up, when you talk to your internal sales folks who are, you know, on the phone every day with the planners at large corporate clients, you know, do you get the sense that there's any unevenness across different corporate sectors, i.e., tech, where people over there are sort of looking at 2023 gatherings and things that we're thinking about planning and potentially hitting the pause button just given the macro?
Brian, you wanna take that?
Sure. Thanks, Craig. Brandt, you know, I think something that's real telling from an industry standpoint is to really just look at the large citywides. CES back in 2020 did over 170,000, and in 2022, it did 44,000. Certainly, that is an international component, a strong international component to that business as well as in the tech industry. But then if you look at SEMA, that just happened this last month, a couple weeks ago, they had over 130,000. So we're having the most solid year we've ever had. We are going to have our best year ever in group in both room nights and revenue, and we're pacing ahead of that for 2023.
That's despite a real soft January and February with Omicron. I think we're well positioned. There are certain industries that are performing better than others, and we're seeing that both at Wynn and across the city, I would assume.
We've been more than able to fade any minor fallout that we've seen from tech, mortgage, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah. We've had a couple cancellations, but it's nothing out of the norm. In fact, it's kind of below what we would normally see. I think we're quite comfortable with where we're pacing. We're pacing ahead of where we should be, and we are very encouraged by what we're seeing for 2023.
Great color. Thanks so much.
Well, with that, we will now close the call. Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for your interest, and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter.
Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect at this time.