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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

Apr 19, 2017

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the TomTom first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question and answer session towards the end of today's prepared remarks. At which time, if you would like to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star one on your telephone. If at any time during the call you require audio assistance, feel free to press star zero and a conference coordinator will be happy to assist you. Please know that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your hostess for today's conference, Jacoline Overdevest, Investor Relations Officer. You may begin.

Jacoline Overdevest
Investor Relations Officer, TomTom

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, welcome to our conference call, during which we will discuss our operational highlights and financial results for the first quarter 2017. With me today are Harold Goddijn, our CEO, and Taco Titulaer, TomTom's CFO. You can also listen to the call on our website, a recording of the call will be available shortly afterwards. As usual, I would like to point out that Safe Harbor applies. We will start today's call with Harold, who will discuss the key operational developments, followed by a more detailed look at the financial results from Taco. We will take your questions. With that, Harold, I would like to hand over to you.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Thank you. Thank you, Jacoline. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us at today's earnings call. We have generated group revenue of EUR 213 million this quarter, delivered a strong growth margin of 62%, which is 5 percentage points above last year. Automotive licensing and telematics jointly grew by 14% year-on-year, that is in line with our expectations. Taco will provide further information on financial highlights for 2017 later during his presentation, I will discuss some of the key operational highlights for the quarter. As you have seen, Automotive delivered a strong first quarter. This was a result of overall robust sales of our key customers and also more car models coming to the market that are equipped with our technologies. In January, we acquired Autonomos.

That's a startup with around 35 experienced and talented engineers with experience in the fields of artificial intelligence, neural networks, robotics, computer vision, and signal and information processing. We've acquired a vast amount of technical expertise that will accelerate further our development of our location technologies. The integration of the Autonomos team is developing according to plan, a number of exciting research and development programs have started. Our goal is to achieve higher levels of automation for HD Map-making and to test scenarios for our HD driving products. We announced a partnership with Qualcomm in the quarter to explore possibilities for in-vehicle processing and crowdsourcing of sensor data. We also announced that we are working with Volvo to test our HD Map for the Volvo Drive Me program, that's a research project where drivers will use autonomous driving technologies in real-life situations on public roads.

We also announced that our HD Map coverage has expanded and covers the entire U.S. mainland interstate network. We were happy to be the navigation supplier of the Peugeot 3008, which was chosen by the International Motoring Press as Car of the Year 2017. In the quarter, we also announced that Alfa Romeo selected TomTom navigation software and maps globally for its Stelvio SUV. It was also revealed that all new Renault cars with the R-Link infotainment system will now come standard with three years of TomTom traffic maps and map updates. Let's move on to the next slide. With the introduction of our highly successful traffic product in Argentina, Colombia, we increased coverage to 54 countries globally. The growth in coverage is supported by the continuous growth of GPS probe data input.

More than 500 million connected GPS devices are now enabled to contribute to our source data, which means that accuracy and reliability of our traffic product continues to improve. Our traffic products are now also used by the cities of Frankfurt and Düsseldorf, who use it to actively manage traffic flows to reduce both congestion and CO2 emissions. Our telematics business continued to grow, reaching 723,000 subscribers by the end of the quarter. This represents a 16% increase compared to a year ago. The first version of the completely rewritten version of the telematics applications and user interface also went live in the quarter. Sports launched the TomTom Touch Cardio, which is a fitness tracker that monitors heart rate. Sports also released the completely renewed Sports app with a more engaging and motivating way to view activities, trends, and comparison and monitor performance.

We saw improved sell-out numbers for our sports products. Activations were up 30% year-over-year. I would like to conclude with a few final remarks. A few years ago, we have adapted our strategy to a rapidly changing market for location data and technologies. Our goal is to create a leading platform and ecosystem around location technologies with key verticals around automotive, the connected car, telematics services, and autonomous driving. We have made substantial investments in our technology base in recent years, and these investments are now starting to deliver results. We've been winning new businesses over a number of years now. Existing and new customers are showing trust in our products and our roadmap and want to partner with us.

As a result, we are successfully shifting our business towards high margin and recurring data and software products, which in Q1 delivered nearly 60% of our revenue mix and more than 75% of our gross profit. As the opportunities in location-based services grow, we will continue to invest in content and software, including our map-making platform. These investments will be the drivers of growth across the businesses in the medium to long term. We saw a strong revenue growth in our automotive licensing and telematics businesses in 2016, which continued in the first quarter of this year, and we expect their combined revenue to grow at a CAGR of around 15% between 2016 and 2020. This concludes my part of the presentation, and I'm now handing over to Taco.

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

Thank you, Harold. Let me make a couple of brief comments on the financials. In Q1, revenue was EUR 213 million. That is 2% lower compared with last year. Automotive licensing and telematics combined grew by 14% year-on-year. Automotive revenue was up by 38% to EUR 41 million. One of the drivers for this strong growth is the PSA contract that started to kick in during the first half of 2016. For the full year, we expect automotive revenue to grow with 25%-30%. Licensing revenue decreased 2% year-on-year to EUR 33 million. For the full year, we expect licensing to be flat. Telematics revenue was up by 10% year-on-year to EUR 41 million. This increase was driven by both recurring subscription revenue as well as hardware sales. The recurring subscription revenue for the year increased by 6% to EUR 31 million.

The monthly revenue per users showed a year-on-year decline, as it was influenced by the growth of the connected car subscriptions and a change in the regional mix. Consumer revenue decreased with 16% year-on-year to EUR 98 million. Consumer products, that is PNDs and sports combined, declined by 12%. The automotive hardware, which we report under consumer, declined with 35%. We expect consumer as a whole to decline with 15%-20% for the full year. Despite the modest decline in our group revenue, gross result grew by 7% in the quarter. Gross margin was strong, and we continue to expect gross margin to be north of 60% for the year as a whole. Operating expense for the quarter was EUR 137 million. That is EUR 10 million higher compared with a year ago. The increase is mainly driven by a higher expense on our long-term employee incentive plan.

Excluding for these effects, operating expenses were up with 3%, and that is also the run rate, what we expect for the year as a whole. EBITDA grew by 9% year-on-year to EUR 28 million, and the EBIT reported a loss of EUR 5 million. The net result, adjusted for acquisition-related expenses and gains on a post-tax basis, was a gain of EUR 7 million, which translates in an adjusted earning per share of EUR 0.03 on a fully diluted basis. At the end of the quarter, we reported a net cash position of EUR 79 million. Our cash flow from operating activities was an outflow of close to EUR 2 million, compared with an outflow of EUR 18 million last year. The cash flow used in investing activities increased by EUR 22 million to EUR 53 million, mainly due to the acquisition of Autonomos.

Let us turn to slide five. What this slide shows is the change in the revenue mix. Two years ago, still the majority of our revenue was generated by hardware. Today, the majority is generated by software. As already mentioned by Harold, in Q1 2017, 60% of our revenue was coming from so-called data software and services. As this is high margin revenue, it contributed to over 75% of our group gross results. We expect this trend to continue in the years to come. Let us turn to slide six now. This slide is showing the operational revenue of automotive. Operational revenue is the reported revenue plus the net change in the deferred revenue position. As we sell products to automotive that include multi-year updates and/or subscriptions, some of the revenue is deferred.

Last year, the deferred revenue increased with EUR 13 million in the quarter, and this year it increased again, this time with EUR 50 million in the quarter. Operational revenue in the quarter amounted EUR 56 million, and that represents an increase of 32% compared to last year.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

To conclude, I would like to give you an update on our outlook for 2017. As we are reiterating our guidance for the year, we expect revenue of between EUR 925 million and EUR 950 million, and the adjusted earnings per share is expected to grow to around EUR 0.25. Operator, we would now like to start with the Q&A session.

Operator

Certainly. If you would like to ask a question, please press the star or asterisk key, followed by the digit 1. Please ensure the mute function on your telephone is switched off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, please press star 1 to ask a question. We will now take our first question from Francois-Xavier Bouvignies from UBS. Please go ahead.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

Hello. Can you hear me?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yes, we can.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great. Thank you for taking my question. I have a couple, if I may. The first one is more on the long-term view. Last quarter, we saw Intel stake in HERE, and now Mobileye, an Intel acquisition. I was wondering, what does it change for TomTom, this kind of move from the competition? How should we think about the landscape of the industry in your view in, let's say, two to three years with NVIDIA and Qualcomm? Should we see different players and solutions, and where TomTom could sit in this industry?

The second one is, given the investment requirement that we see in the business, with the HD Map coverage that you have to invest in and the competition getting more investment power, from a strategy perspective, is it possible that you need more, let's say, help from other players to invest more in the future growth? External help, I should say. I have a follow-up after, if I may.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Thank you, Francois. It's kind of interesting what we see, of course, in the industry. We see a big convergence of technology in the automotive industry. Much of that is driven by the expectation that more and more silicon will end up in the cars, and the silicon vendors are jostling for position here, which I think is a good development. What it means longer term, it's not for me to speculate on that during this call. I think it's clear that there is convergence taking place in the automotive industry, and more clarity will come as a result of that. If I look at our HD Map coverage, the interesting thing about HD Maps is that we're working very hard to achieve very high levels of automation in creating those maps. It's going to be more a technology game than a labor-intensive activity.

I think that technology will help us to create HD maps to a very high level of accuracy, but with a low level of manual intervention. That's where our investments are geared towards. That's also in line and supported by the acquisition of Autonomos, who bring essential components of the type of technology we need to create those maps in a highly automated way. We're making good progress in producing those maps. You've seen that also by the release of HD maps for North America. We cover the whole continent now on the major road classes, which is, I think, a sign that we are able to produce those maps at acceptable level of cost. Our efforts are geared towards bringing those costs down further from where they are today.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

Thank you very much. For example, just to follow up on the Mobileye move, does it change your strategy? Mobileye is obviously a big player in this space, and they said publicly in the past that map makers will be very important in their solutions. They were mentioning HERE, but also TomTom, and Zenrin, for example. Do you see any change given this move that maybe the Mobileye opportunity for TomTom is less likely in the future?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

No, I don't read too much in this. I think we are obviously aware of what Mobileye is doing. It's interesting that Intel is investing in that capability. We don't know exactly what their motivation is. We have our scenarios. It's going to be interesting to see what they will do. I think we are well on our way to produce the products that we want to produce, and I think it's encouraging to see that key partners of ours are working with us to test those technologies and integrate them into their own self-driving efforts. I wouldn't read too much into that acquisition as of now.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you very much. The last one, if I may, on the OpEx, you said that excluding the incentive, it was up 3% year-over-year. What is it excluding also the new acquisition that you made? If we could have this number, would be great.

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

What I meant to say was that we have a long-term incentive plan for our employees, and that the run rate is roughly three and a half million a quarter, what we need to book there. It is influenced by fluctuation in our share price. As we saw in decline in our share price in Q1 2016, there was actually a release of that position, where you normally would have seen three and a half million of cost. In this quarter, last quarter, we saw an additional cost here because our share price increased. Like for like, you need to add EUR 5 million to the OpEx last year, and you need to take EUR 1 million off the OpEx of this year to create an apples to apples comparison. Our OpEx will be 3% up and not 8% up as we reported.

The Autonomos acquisitions specifically added one and a half million to the cost base. That is partly people related, but also partly we have rolled out a remuneration and retainment program for the 35 people within that company. Those costs we will see in our P&L for the coming couple of years.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

The tech acquisition, does it mean that you will have to invest more into this? You have a lot of synergies already in terms of OpEx investment with this acquisition?

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

We'll grow on the strength of this team. That's all part of the plan and already communicated numbers.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Analyst, UBS

Thank you very much.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Andrew Humphrey from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Andrew Humphrey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I've got three, if I may. The first one is on sports. I think you've given us an indication that sell-throughs improved, that activations are up. I think in contrast to previous quarters, we haven't actually had a sell-in number. If you could clarify on that would be great. Then I've got a couple of bigger picture questions.

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

Sell-in number for sports? Yeah. Sports as a whole did not grow in Q1. It contracted a little bit. That was according to plan. We stay with our guidance that we expect 10% growth for the full year. That will be back-end loaded. Q1, the activations are continuing to see a year-on-year growth of over 30%, as Harold already mentioned. The sell-in number year-over-year showed a decline.

Andrew Humphrey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, thanks for that. Thinking of moving on to sort of bigger picture issues. I think you've indicated that you're clearly in a phase of gathering data to build HD maps as well as optimize the current generation of maps, and that you are in the process of signing strategic partnerships to do that. My question around that really is, you've had the Volvo deal recently, what sort of deals should we be looking for there over the next 12, 24 months? Will you announce those as they happen? Just maybe a bit more color around the sorts of deals we should be thinking about at the moment.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. On HD, full automated driving is still far out. The announcements from car makers for fully automated driving vary a bit from 2020, 2021, 2022, when they expect fully automated cars coming to the market. In the meantime, demand starts to pick up for HD maps, for products that are intermediate, that improve some level of automation, but also improve visualization of navigation going forward. Those are not very big contracts. That's still a bit of trial and error, but we do see RFQs and RFIs coming in, where car makers are starting to ask for licensing conditions for those type of maps. We expect that demand to grow over the coming years. That is different from, let's say, HD maps for the full stack.

We see a path now towards usage of that type of data we are currently creating, where we start to generate some level of income out of those investments.

Andrew Humphrey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Sure. I guess I was wanting to ask more about the source of strategic partnerships you might sign to gather that data. Clearly there are more cars coming out with cameras that can collect that data, including Mobileye and others. Should we be looking for you to sign more deals to collect that data through the auto OEMs, similar to the stage 2 of the Volvo contract that you've announced? Is it with other players that you'll be signing those contracts, but more on the data collection side than on actually-

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. That's an evolving field, I think over the coming years, we will see more clarity. There's a lot of discussions going on how to do this and how to get the data actually out of the vehicle. How do you pre-process it? How do you collect it? How do you merge it? We continue to explore the technologies and the business models around collecting data from the vehicle, but it's too early to make announcements in that area.

Andrew Humphrey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Maybe finally on this. In a week or so, I think you have your AGM. I was looking through the list of motions on that, there's a change in one of them around potential equity increase. I think previously you basically kind of sought permission to issue up to 10% of equity for M&A. I think this time that's changed to up to 10% of equity for M&A and/or strategic alliances. Is there any kind of change in thinking there strategically that we should be alert to?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

No, you shouldn't read too much into it. There's a bit of housekeeping going on there.

Andrew Humphrey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, thanks. Thanks for that.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Again, as a reminder to ask a question today, please press star one. We will now take our next question from Andrew Gardiner from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Andrew Gardiner
Research Analyst, Barclays

Good afternoon, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I just was interested in perhaps sort of delving a little bit deeper into some of the answers you gave to the prior question. Just in terms of the current tenders or sort of RFIs and RFQs you mentioned that are going on at the moment in the auto space. How do you feel you're positioned there now that we're, I suppose, two years post the most initial speculation about the future of HERE and a year into them, or sorry, a year and a half into them sort of fully as part of the big three German automakers and all the investment that has come on since. How is your positioning there? How are automakers responding to the current state of affairs? Are you feeling as though you've got an advantage now given your independence?

Just sort of interested in an update on the level of competition in the space.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. I think we feel good about our access to car makers, the level of discussion we have, the number of requests for cooperation, joint development, testing of data. The dialogues we have with software makers, car makers, and tier 1s. We're very much part of that debate and that infrastructure. I think the clearest indication is that we continue to book important wins and that is for HD Maps, of course, which is our bread and butter today. That gives you an indication that the car makers who are giving us business today also have a high level of trust in our product roadmap. Car makers want to work with partners who can fulfill their current product needs, but also have a vision of their future product needs. I think we are on the right track there.

We also hear from our customers that we're doing good stuff and that we are ahead at the moment in the pulse we are creating for HD driving. I don't think a lot has changed over the last quarter or the last six months. We continue to work together at high level with a number of leading car makers and software developers, and we are happy with the progress we're making.

Andrew Gardiner
Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Very good. I just had a follow-up as well on some of the comments you were making regarding the Autonomos acquisition. I realize it's early days, and I'm sure you don't want to give too much away in terms of development, but the idea that acquisition can help you in terms of the sort of more efficient, more accurate development of more of the HD Maps, more detailed maps. Can you shed any further light as to how that happens? Is this really perhaps a more internal focus, sort of R&D-focused acquisition than it is sort of buying in a new sort of future product suite?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Well, in principle, we do two different things. We do one thing is achieving higher levels of automation for HD Map creation. It's not just HD Map, it's also image recognition for traffic signs. They're very advanced there. That's a combination of computer vision and artificial intelligence. Where we are very advanced is merging all the data, processing that data, validating that data, and getting it into a database so it can be published and used for products. That's a good partnership. We see already some cross-fertilization and joint development efforts, and R&D research programs between, let's say, traditional map makers and the more advanced Automated map making. That is going. The other thing what we want to do is test our own products with our own autonomous driving stack. Autonomos also have a full stack.

We will have our own cars on the road, that is also to test our maps, test our technologies, and also share the results of those tests in a visual and tangible way with our key customers. We felt we didn't want to rely on hearsay and what's happening in the industry. We also have some skin in the game ourselves, so we can comfortably test and validate the products we are developing.

Andrew Gardiner
Research Analyst, Barclays

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Martijn den Drijver from NIBC. Please go ahead.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

Yes. Good afternoon, Harold. Good afternoon, Taco. Question about the automotive. Can you share with us, not real numbers, but at least some more granularity or clarity on order intake in 2017 so far relative to 2016? Secondly, with regards to the Renault contract, you're obviously very happy with the development at PSA Citroën. You're offering three-year life updates for maps and traffic. That kind of suggests that the R-Link is reaching end of life. Could you share with us what type of revenue is coming from Renault from an automotive perspective? What are you doing, what can you do to keep Renault as a client? That would be the second part of the question. Then I have a second question with regards to Consumer. It's a bit of a sticky subject.

Last quarter, one of your shareholders pleaded with you, I'll use that phrase, to consider at least doing something about consumer more than a restructuring. Have your thoughts changed about that subject or not at all? Thank you.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah, Martijn. Order intake. No, I don't want to say anything about order intake for 2017 so far. It's been a short quarter. We wouldn't be able to read much in that. We stick to what we have done in previous years in terms of disclosing the order intake. You need to bear in mind that it's always a lumpy thing-

order intake. I think, there's a couple of big contracts up for grabs in 2017. We're working hard to win those. Renault is a long-standing customer of ours, and it's an important customer, and I think the relationship is going well. We are generating a lot of revenue from the Renault account, and of course, we plan to stay in the game.

Now, no guarantees are given there, as usual. The relationship with Renault is a healthy one.

What can we do to keep them is just doing our work, and providing the products and technologies that they need to sell their cars. That's the basic of our existence and our reason to be in the business in the first place, and we're doing that, and we continue to invest in technologies and products and maps, and what have you.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

The offering, if I may, the offering of a 3-year lifetime map update or traffic should not be seen as a measure to cement that relationship to provide a better roadmap towards contract extension?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

No, you shouldn't read anything in that. Those are individual decisions by car line managers who want to sell their products. They do, sometimes they do this, sometimes they do something different. That is no reflection on the strategic relationship between us and Renault whatsoever. That's a tactical development. I wouldn't read anything into that, to be honest.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

Okay.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

On the consumer side, no, we have not changed our tech there. We continue to sell in the consumer market, both track products and consumer products and sports products.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

One follow-up on the automotive, and the press release now mentions the, one of the Opel model. Was that deal specifically for that model already in the books before the Opel PSA? My guess would be yes, but just wanted to have a firm confirmation that it was.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yes, it was. It's an overflow from the partnership we have with PSA. There is a joint development program between PSA and General Motors for that particular car, and that's how our technology ended up in that vehicle.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

We shouldn't read that either yet as a sign that the whole Opel model line will eventually move over to the same platform as the PSA Citroën, including the TomTom technology then?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

No, it's obviously what we want, but you can't read that in this announcement or this news fact. That Opel thing that's further out anyway, that's typically three, four years away to happen in any structural way.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, NIBC

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

You're welcome.

Jacoline Overdevest
Investor Relations Officer, TomTom

We will now take our next question from Shyam Kumar from Kuvari Partners. Please go ahead.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Harold, can I just ask on the revenue in autos outperformed my expectations in Q1. Can I just ask what's going on there? Is it that the end consumer take rates for maps is increasing because of demand for in-dash penetration, or is it because the related ADAS lane departure type warning products are also seeing good traction in the marketplace? Can you just help me understand that dynamic, please, around take up, please?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. You see maps and navigation technology becoming more and more an integral part of the safety system of the cars. ADAS is a good example of that. What you have seen in Q1 is really a result of work that's been in the making for a long time. I have to say, sales at our key customers was robust, in Q1. That explained part of the overshot, if you like. It's also new cars coming online, which contributed to the growth in Q1. It's a combination of the two of those. On attachment rates, they are healthy.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Mm-hmm. Okay. That's fine.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Yeah. Does that answer it?

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Yeah. I was thinking if there's anything else. Okay, just in terms of the HD Map, at what point do you think you'll start seeing that flow into orders and what's the sort of ASP uplift we can expect when that comes through?

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Still working on that.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Okay. Understood.

Harold Goddijn
CEO, TomTom

Closely guarded secret for the moment and a subject of much debate with customers. They're also trying to figure out what the right model is for that, and I think it's a bit of a collective effort to come to the right number.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Okay, perfect. One last one for Taco. In terms of the deferred revenue this quarter, did you break it down in terms of how much of that is related to autos and how much of that is related to consumer, please?

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

We have not, but I am happy to provide that. The total amount was EUR 211, as a whole, EUR 127 was consumer, EUR 74 was automotive, EUR 8 million was licensing, and the rest was telematics related. It was EUR 1 million or EUR 2 million, depending on how you round these numbers.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Okay, fine.

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

Automotive went up from, rounded million numbers, EUR 59 million - EUR 74 million.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Million. Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

Taco Titulaer
CFO, TomTom

That is sequentially, yeah. The end of Q4 to Q1.

Shyam Kumar
Analyst, Kuvari Partners

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Jacoline Overdevest
Investor Relations Officer, TomTom

Okay, well, as we have no further questions, I would like to thank you all for joining us this afternoon. If you have any follow-up questions at a later time, please don't hesitate to give us a call. Thank you all very much. Operator, you can close the call. That will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, ladies and gentlemen. You may now disconnect.