Grupo Rotoplas S.A.B. de C.V. (BMV:AGUA)
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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Jul 21, 2022

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Grupo Rotoplas's conference call. Please note that today's call is being recorded and all participants are currently in listen-only mode to prevent background noise. The host will open the floor for questions later. Today's discussion contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the environment as we currently see it, and as such, there may be certain risks and uncertainty associated with such statements. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.

The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, further events, or otherwise. Please allow me to remind you that the company issued its earnings press release yesterday after market close. It can be found in the investor section of its website. Also, the presentation for the call and the webcast link are in the investor section. Today's call will be hosted by Mr. Carlos Rojas Aboumrad, Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Mario Romero, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Carlos Rojas.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining our call today. It is clear that the global economy is in the midst of a complex and challenging economic cycle, given the uncertainty about inflation, interest rates, and economic growth in the United States, Europe, and some of our markets in Latin America. In fact, many companies have cut back on new initiatives and projects in light of this uncertainty, and there has been a significant impact on the stock market as investors reassess the future growth prospects across industries. At the same time, no less important, we continue to see evidence of the dire effects of climate change, with record high temperatures and severe droughts increasing water scarcity in many regions.

We have talked about this issue in the past, and we will continue to do so as it is crucial to highlight its utmost importance and impact, not only for our industry, but for our societies. Water scarcity is increasingly a major political and social issue, as can be seen, for example, in the case of the political impact of the droughts in Mexican states such as Nuevo León, where water rationing has become a highly contentious issue. States like Aguascalientes, Durango, and Hidalgo, in which water scarcity has become a major concern for potential voters. In this context, agility and a steady commitment to ESG principles and best practices is crucial.

As a water company, we need to be able to quickly adapt and adjust to ensure that we continue to provide the best solutions for our customers and our societies as they navigate the potential impact of our economic uncertainty and the changes in their water needs. While we have not yet needed to adjust our strategy, it is crucial that we are prepared to do so should the need arise. To this end, for the past three months, we've focused the efforts of our transformational program, Flow, on identifying which of our initiatives have the most impact and value creation potential. As we continue to closely monitor the current macroeconomic trends and the evolution of each of our markets, we're ready to adjust our spending rhythm while ensuring our most important growth driver initiatives remain on course.

This agility brought about by Flow is one of our core strengths as are the leadership position of our brands and the resilience of our business model and of the water industry in general. We registered a historical record of sales for our company during the second quarter, with our sales totaling over MXN 3.4 billion, which is about half a billion MXN more than our previous record. Likewise, our EBITDA amounted to a record of MXN 528 million. It is important to note that we achieved this growth while continuing to improve our margins relative to both the past quarter and to the second quarter of last year.

As such, we are on track to meet our growth and profitability targets for the year, even as we continue to make significant investments in our Water as a Service platform in the United States, Mexico, and Brazil, which, as we have mentioned in previous calls, has demonstrated great growth potential and are key to our future growth and profitability. In fact, as Mario will explain in further detail in a little bit, our EBITDA margin results are best understood in the context of these investments in the future of our company, as well as those associated with Flow. This growth and continued improving profitability attests to our commitment to create value for our investors and our communities by ensuring that we continue to provide innovative and efficient water solutions to more customers across our markets, even through economic downturns.

In order to do so, we will continue to pursue market share growth for the new businesses and maintain market share for the legacy or traditional ones through diverse business initiatives. We will also continue adjusting our commercial and pricing strategies to ensure our growth is profitable. As I mentioned, we will be disciplined and agile with our capital allocation and spending.

The market leadership position of our brands and solutions, which was built over many decades, provide a solid technical and financial platform for both continued innovation and the pursuit of new growth opportunities. Even in challenging economic environments, we intend to leverage it to the maximum. Our commitment to people, planet, and property is unwavering, and we work to maintain our leadership position, providing solutions that enable our customers and societies to make the best use of water. Thank you very much for your time. I will now turn the call to Mario, and I look forward to your questions.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you, Charlie, and thank you all for joining us this morning. As you might recall, on our last call, we mentioned that we were going to emphasize the recovery of our margins by focusing on three key aspects. The first one was controlling the increase in expenses. The second one, to closely monitor our spending on business development. Last, the third one, to continue to track our market share, our raw materials, and logistics costs to execute an optimal pricing strategy. We still have many cost and expenses challenges going forward due to the global situation, but we are on track to achieve our growth and margin targets. Furthermore, as Charlie pointed out, we have prepared to adjust to the changing conditions across our markets, leveraging the strength of our core businesses and the agility brought about by Flow.

Through it all, we will remain focused on our commitment to sustainability and profitability of our business. As to our financials, quarterly net sales increased 23% year-over-year, a historic record for our company, and 16% in the first half of the year. We've registered growth across all of our markets. Quarterly net sales amounted to MXN 3.95 billion more than our previous record. Quarterly sales of our products grew 25% year-over-year, and 18% in the first six months. All three categories, water storage, water flow, and water improvement, grew, driven by the good strategy we outlined last year, which, as you might remember, consisted of gaining market share in 2021, and then managed pricing to recover margins and increase EBITDA in absolute terms.

The continuous strength of our core business compensated for the performance of services that has not boosted growth during the year. Our pricing strategy, as well as higher control of our costs, contributed to improving our margins, both sequentially and year-over-year. On a quarterly basis, the gross margin increased 510 basis points, and for the first six months, it expanded 230 basis points. The SG&A, both during the quarter and the semester, increased more than our sales growth. This is primarily explained by our investments in the new businesses, Acuantia in the United States, Bebbia and Rieggo in Mexico, and water treatment and recycling plants in Brazil, whose expenses exceeded the marginal contribution to sales. Even with these business development expenses, our quarterly operating profit grew 78% and 19% over the first six months, an expansion in the EBIT margins.

Moving to EBITDA. After accounting for new businesses expenses and for the expenses associated to Flow program, our EBITDA reached MXN 528 million, which is a historic record for a quarter, and MXN 850 million year to date. It is also worth noting that, as some of you might remember, as of this year, we are no longer adjusting EBITDA to account for the expenses associated with the implementation of Flow, our transformation program. If we were to remove this adjustment from the results of the second quarter of last year, our quarterly EBITDA will have increased 56% year-over-year, instead of 26%. On a cumulative basis, the EBITDA will have increased 15% instead of decreasing 5%. Finally, cumulative net income was MXN 210 million, 5% higher than in 2021.

Excluding the impact of the monetary position in Argentina, the virtual non-cash inflation item, net income for the semester would have increased 67%. Now, moving forward to our geographic breakdown. Sales in Mexico grew 16% during the quarter, and 10% year to date. Products grew because of the introduction of new products, greater efficiency of our sales force, and our pricing strategy. Droughts in the northwest of the country also contributed to the increase in sales. Services decreased as public expenditures on schools remains at an impasse, affecting the water fountain businesses, as well as the decrease in demand for water treatment plants. Bebbia continues to grow at an accelerated pace, adding 9,000 new subscribers, and Rieggo is executing well in its first projects. Net quarterly sales in Argentina grew 60% and 49% during the semester.

Our brand leadership and strength in the region have allowed us to continue with our price and cross-selling strategies and increase the penetration of new sales channels. We continue to focus on generating cash and maintaining cash flow discipline. Sales in the United States grew 4% in the quarter and 15% in the first half of the year, driven by growth in the e-commerce business. During the quarter, we added 7,400 new customers as a result of our omni-channel strategy and customer service through our call center. Likewise, the septic business continues on their development, increasing the number of partners for the design, installation, and maintenance service of the solutions. In other countries, that includes sales in Peru, Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Brazil.

It grew 8% in the second quarter and decreased 3% year to date, mostly affected by a slow start of the year in Peru. In Central America, we have implemented a different shared pricing strategy by customer channel and product. Also, the portfolio diversification to the water flow and water improvement categories in order to complement sales from the traditional water storage business continue and is showing interesting results. Sales in Peru grew during the quarter, driven by our pricing and commercial strategies, despite an adverse socio-political environment and a contracted market after the end of the pandemic stimuli. On a cumulative basis, sales were affected by a weak first quarter as a result of the third COVID-19 wave. Finally, the Acuantia Brazil pipeline is expanding, and we are starting to see significant positive effects from new water regulatory framework in the country.

In terms of our portfolio mix, sales of our products were 97% of total sales, growing 25% year-over-year. Sales of services decreased 27% despite the accelerated growth of Bebbia, as I already explained. Overall, the pandemic has strengthened products demand, but it has affected some services business like treatment plants and drinking fountains in Mexico. Moving forward to our cash position, we maintain a strong balance sheet, which, as Charlie pointed out, provides a solid financial platform for us to continue pursuing growth and profitability in challenging macro-economic environments. Our net debt to EBITDA ratio is 1.7x, in line with our 2x leverage policy.

It is worth noting that our debt position considers the sustainable bond AGUA 17-2X, which as we have discussed in the previous quarters, net MXN 4 billion, has a maturity date of June 2027 and was issued at an 8.65% fixed rate. Our cash conversion cycle decreased 10 days even when we continue to address our supply chain disruptions. As for CapEx, it come at 5% of total sales in the first six months of the year, amounting to MXN 293 million. This represents a slight increase relative to the previous quarter that can be attributed to the continuing investments in new technology to ensure the sustainability of our manufacturing operations, reducing our energy and raw materials usage.

We will continue to be disciplined and agile with our capital allocation and spending, ensuring that we prioritize the drivers for our sustainable growth and profitability. As for our ROIC, it reached 13% as of June 2022, 61 basis points higher than our cost of capital. In addition to the macroeconomic impacts, which increased the WACC, our ROIC has come under increased pressure due to higher CapEx and an increase in development costs and expenses related to the new businesses. Despite these challenges, our focus continues to be on long-term value creation. With our roadmap for achieving the goals set out in 2020/2025 sustainable growth plan as our North Star. This quarter, we undertook three leading initiatives in the ESG space that support our sustainability strategy and goals.

In the social dimension, we provided training for all the staff team members on diversity, inclusion, and human rights as part of a campaign that will continue in the coming months. As part of the environmental strategy, we initiated the process with the Science Based Targets initiative to validate the group goals to become carbon neutral by 2040. Finally, in the governance arena, the Corporate Governance Committee completed the operating risk analysis for the company and established a roadmap for the mitigation with clearly defined roles and deadlines. It is worth mentioning that in July, AGUA was once again included in the sample of the ESG index of the Mexican Stock Exchange. As for our guidance for this year, which as you might remember was updated in our last call.

Given our growth and improvement of our margins, we continue to expect sales growth greater or equal to 15% for 2022. A return on invested capital 100 basis points above our cost of capital and an EBITDA margin between 15.5% and 16.5%, while net debt to EBITDA below 2x. We also remain on track towards our 2025 objectives of sustainable growth and profitability.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

We cannot stress enough that we are strongly committed to the well-being of the people and planet while generating economic value. Our company has a solid business model with great products and market-leading brands within high potential growth venues in the hemisphere. Its financial strength and capital allocation discipline has also enabled us to continue creating value for our shareholders through an increased growth as well as through the payment of dividends and stock buybacks. These strengths and the agility we have achieved through Flow has been key to ensure that our solutions enable our customers and society to make the best use and management of water. Well, that's all from me for now. Thank you very much for your time and attention. We look forward to your questions. Please open the floor to them and happy to answer as they come.

Operator

You can submit a question by pressing the Q&A button. Please include name and your fund or company. The first question that we have comes from Carlos Alcaraz at Palet Análisis. He also has a comment. Hello, good morning. Thank you very much for the call, and congratulations on your results. I have three questions. I'm gonna read the first one. Considering the impact on profitability during the first half of the year, will you use the same strategy of 2021 to increase the profitability of the portfolio during the second half of the year?

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

I think we're in a very different situation than last year. To start, we think we've covered margins, and we're up to date in terms of price increases, so we wouldn't have to catch up on that. We did fall behind a little bit last year, and catching up was very challenging. It was tough, and it did generate some impact on volumes on the first few months of the year. I think that profitability is now in a much better level. We do need to continue to improve profitability a little bit, but not as much. I think that the biggest challenges are in new businesses contributing to that profitability, which we hope will be as soon as possible as we continue to invest very aggressively in those new businesses, particularly on businesses in the US and the services businesses. Mario, anything else?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

No, I think you just addressed it, well. I think there's a second question there, Charlie, around EBITDA margins estimated for the third quarter.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Right.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

I don't know if you wanna do that one or I'll take on that one.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Go ahead.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thanks, Carlos, for joining us this morning. As we stress that point in our last call, we are expecting to do a target between 17%-18% EBITDA margins for the third and fourth quarter, and that's pretty much how we came to confirm our guideline of 15.5%-16.5% for the full year. Finally on Bebbia's growth, we are really putting all the energy and investment in Bebbia's growth. We are growing as fast as possible, and it is not dependent on the good EBITDA margin achieved in Mexico. It's just a business we are funding with the balance sheet and with the cash flow generated obviously from the product side.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you very much for your questions, Carlos. Thank you.

Operator

We already read the three questions from Carlos. Let's move to Regina Carrillo, GBM. Hi. She also has three questions, and they're all about the new businesses. The first one: If you could share the details of what businesses does this category include and the breakdown between products and services? The second question is regarding the losses on these businesses, are they related mostly to the investment need to make new sales? The third one, what do you expect going forward for the profitability of these businesses?

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Do you wanna start, Mario?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

Yeah, sure. Hi, Regina. Good morning. Nice to have you in the call. Well, the businesses that are included as new businesses, there are four of them. The first one is what we call Acuantia in the US. That business, it's aimed to develop the septic opportunity for that market. That's the first one. The second one is Bebbia, which is in Mexico, and it's to offer water as a service within the residential and commercial sectors. The third one is rieggo, which is smart water management towards the ag business in Mexico. The fourth one is the water treatment and recycling business in Brazil.

Those four compose what we call internally new businesses, all related to the service category. Regarding the losses of those businesses, each of them they have individual business plans that are aiming to break even in different moments of time. I think we can discuss that further down, but all of them mostly start to break even, some of them late 2023, and some of them well into 2024. The thing is that what we are trying to achieve is the growth. We are very conscious that if we stop growth, then they are profitable. As we have mentioned in previous calls, if we stop growth for Media, today we'll be profitable at the EBITDA level. Today, as this slide shows us, we are favoring growth of these businesses despite having a negative EBITDA.

Operator

Thank you, Martín.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Was that it in terms of questions for Regina Carrillo? Oh, yeah. I think so. I was just thinking about the third question.

Operator

Yes. Thank you, Charlie. Let's move to the third question. It's from Paulina Pérez, Miranda Partners. Do you have a strategy to support the water scarcity problem in northern Mexico?

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

We're seeing water scarcity all over the place. What we did see in the Nuevo León area is a little bit more drastic in terms of what they have experienced in the past in that region. It is new to Nuevo León, but it is not new to many other markets. We were able to increase our capacity in terms of manufacturing, and Mario can share by how much exactly. We are selling a lot more water solutions, and there's a big opportunity for introducing new solutions such as water treatment so that we can be more sustainable. Treating and reducing water locally will make a lot of sense. It's a new business for us, and I think that it has tremendous potential in Nuevo León. Mario, do you have the precise figure of how much we increased manufacturing capabilities in the northern part of the country?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

The thing is that we have increased manufacturing capacity in excess of 40%, but also we are using our multi-factory network to send products within the regions. Really, the goal is to put every single day the product to the client, so they can have access to our products. That has been confirmed with our market share that actually we gained market share in Mexico for the first and second quarters and the first half of this year. That's where how we are addressing and really putting all of our efforts on helping those areas to solve their water scarcity issues.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

The output of our manufacturing was doubled in that area.

Operator

Thank you both.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

You wanna go to the next one?

Operator

Yes. So Martín Lara from Miranda Global Research, he's saying good morning and congratulations for the strong results. He has two questions. I'm gonna read them both. The first one: How do you see the margins in each region during the rest of the year? The second one is if you could provide us with the contribution of the Flow initiatives.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

I can do that. Let me just answer the first one in a different way. I will tell you what are the EBITDA target margins that we are aiming for 2022 by region. We're looking to see Argentina above 15% EBITDA margin. Central America, above 15%. The US, either breakeven or slightly negative EBITDA margin. When I say slightly, I'm talking about 1%-2%. Mexico, above 20%, and Peru above 20% as well. About the contribution of Flow, by year-end, Flow will contribute with around 30% of total EBITDA generated by the company.

Operator

Thank you.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

I'm sorry, Paulina. I just say, thanks for joining us this morning.

Operator

We have another question from Rodrigo Salazar, AM Advisors. Hello. Congratulations on the report. He has three questions. I'm gonna read them all. The first one: Could you explain if Flow expenses continue, and if the expenses are similar to the ones seen last year? Also, if the measure stopped since last quarter or it's just an accounting matter. The second question is: How is your pricing strategy going? Seems to have worked. If you could give some color on how it is developing and what do you expect going forward as costs remain high. The last question is: How long do you expect to leverage your balance sheet to fund top-line growth? What can we expect in terms of normalization?

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Okay. Thank you, Rodrigo. Thanks for joining us. In terms of Flow expenses, they do continue in 2022. So be done by the end of the year. Differently from last year, they are being considered in our expenses, so affecting EBITDA. In terms of donations, Mario, do you have any thoughts on that?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

No. We haven't done any donation, so that's the reason is they didn't stop. It's like we haven't find projects where we can contribute our value. If, Rodrigo, if you help us to have someone just show us to us, I'm happy to help in any way to give access to water.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

In terms of how the pricing strategy is going, I think it's going well. Our competition is following us. We were able to really leverage the strength of the brand to be the leaders in increasing prices. Costs will remain high. Hopefully, they will be more stable as well. We expect to have much more stable prices in many places. Obviously, in Argentina, not. Argentina has very high inflation. Argentina continues to perform very well, though, in terms of volume and profitability. Anything regarding that one, Mario?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

No, we just probably add up that we are seeing a better second half environment for resins and other raw material prices and that will help as well our margins performance going forward.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

In terms of leveraging our balance sheet for growth, maybe you can be a little more clear, Mario, but I expect it to be for the very long term, something that has happened at Rotoplas for a very long time. Growth, investment and growth became much more intensive in the last few years, but it's something that Rotoplas has always done. The profitability of the new businesses will help strengthen even further the balance sheet once that happens. We will continue to invest in those businesses and then continue to look for other opportunities to invest in. Mario, anything else?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

I would probably just add up another angle to complement Charlie's point. If you just see over the last four years, Rodrigo, you know, taking into account 2022, and you see the speed of growth. The company is gonna be growing somewhere in the neighborhood of about 19% CAGR. On EBITDA, if you just take out or add it back the Flow expenses from the same period, the EBITDA will be growing at a speed of 21%. Obviously, that will affect. You'll see it in 2023, where no more Flow expenses will be executed inside the company. We'll come back to an EBITDA without Flow expenses. The transformation will have last 2.5 years.

When you see that, and you see the balance sheet, the company is paying back dividends or buybacks while maintaining a strong balance sheet, I think it's worth to have the play on value and growth in the company. 'Cause a company that delivers you a consistent 15%+ growth rate and an 18%+ EBITDA growth rate for four years while keeping those ratios in line, I think it's even worth to be part of the story. We'll continue pretty much in the same lines. We'll continue to leverage our balance sheet to fund the top line within the 2x net debt to EBITDA ratio. That's internal policy. I think as long as there's tailwinds within the water industry, we'll keep doing it the same. Growing in a profitable way, paying dividends and so on.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you, Rodrigo.

Operator

Thank you. BTG Pactual. Good morning, all, and congratulations on the strong results. I have two questions. The first one is. When do you expect the Septics business in the USA will be profitable? The second question is. What drove the decrease in EBITDA margins guidance for 2022? Thank you very much.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

The Septics business in the US should be very close to breakeven by the end of the year. In terms of seeing it in a profitable level, it will be next year. It's a new business. We're continuing to find strategies for growth. Hopefully it's a business that has a much better working capital investment needs as compared to other services businesses. Hopefully it's a business that will be able to be profitable 2023. In terms of the decrease on EBITDA margins, guidance was mainly because of the first quarter, which was much lower, it was much weaker than expected in both revenues and as a consequence, also margins and EBITDA. Other than that revision, there has not been another revision. We maintain that we should be between 15.5% and 16.5% EBITDA margins for the end of the year. Mario?

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

No, I think just I'll say that what we explained in the past call and that is why we adjusted that the target by 100 basis points.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you, Mariana.

Operator

Now, Víctor Losada from Aeropartners Group is asking: I would like to know how various marketing has been done in Mexico, and if there is a way to help Mexico with its water shortage, especially in Nuevo León. It's pretty similar to Pau in the last part of the question.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

How this marketing has been done in Mexico is one question, and there may be a way to help Mexico with its water shortage, especially in Nuevo León. Two different questions, no? The various marketing is mainly digital. The whole Bebbia business is mainly digital. We did try some awareness strategies, and they did perform well in terms of awareness. I think it's something to focus more later on with more mainstream mediums. It's very different to our traditional marketing strategies as it is much more digital. In terms of helping with the water scarcity in Nuevo León. One of the biggest issues is an issue of being conscious about the opportunity. It's how we consume water.

Water Plus really believes in people enjoying water. It's really a pleasure to enjoy water the way we do every day. It can be done in a sustainable way, but it has to be done with these solutions where you can harvest rainwater, you store it, you use water-efficient faucets and showers and toilets, and you treat that water and you reduce it and you put it back into the environment in a sustainable way, infiltrating. The best thing we can do is to first practice this, have that practice ourselves, and then secondly, to promote that practice.

The thing is that when water is as cheap and subsidized as we see it in many of our markets, people tend to not care for water as much and not invest in these solutions. The problems will continue to worsen as long as we don't adopt the sustainable practices for consuming water. The biggest thing we can do is really adopt the sustainable practices.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

Just to complement Charlie's comment, and thanks for joining us this morning, Víctor. We are, you know, helping the industries and commercial sectors with water treatment and recycling plants very specifically. If they use those segments the water better, they can ease out those water leaders, so they can go to the population. It is like a whole community effort to really think better around how to use and manage water, so the amount of water that we have can be enough for everyone. It is a process. It takes time. Water Plus is there by helping in different ways and forms.

I'm sure that we will get to it and do a good job in the northern part of the country, which has paid everyone's attention on what is happening, and it's really bad. Thanks again for the question. Then we can go to the last question of Paulina, which is a very straightforward, when we can expect the next dividend to be paid. We normally pay dividends around May of each year. That will be, if there's free cash flow left for shareholders, which is the way we calculate dividend payments. That should be by May 2023.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

I was just gonna say, that is in terms of cash dividends. If there's any other form of dividends, that would happen based on, it would be opportunity based. We do not foresee one in the near future. Thank you, Paulina.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

I think that's all, Mariana. No? Are we good?

Operator

Yeah, that was the last question. We're good.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

We can close the call.

Operator

Yeah. Thank you.

Carlos Rojas Aboumrad
CEO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you very much. Thank you very much for joining. It was a pleasure to see you all. Looking forward to seeing you next quarter and looking forward to having another strong quarter as this one.

Mario Romero
CFO, Grupo Rotoplas

Thank you all for joining us this morning. Have a great one.

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