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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 18, 2022

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Hi, good morning. Welcome to Kamux Q3 Results Presentation. My name is Juha Kalliokoski. I'm CEO and Founder of the company.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

Good morning. My name is Marko Lehtonen. I am Kamux CFO.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

As you have heard, we announced yesterday that I have decided to step down as CEO during the first half of 2023, and the board of directors has appointed Tapio Pajuharju, who is currently CEO of Harvia, as Kamux new CEO. I'm extremely proud of what we have achieved with the rest of the Kamux team, but now is good time for me to step down. We have grown and internationalized at a fast-paced, profitable, and we are now Europe's third-largest dealer focusing purely on used cars. As next, we need to boost our international growth further, and Tapio has a strong track record of growing and scaling business internationally. He has also the ability to spot new opportunities within the automotive industry, which is why I'm extremely pleased that he will be Kamux next CEO.

I believe that Tapio is perfectly suited to take Kamux to the next level from number three to number one, and it's important that everyone understand what is good for Kamux, it also good for me, and of course, the other or the rest of the shareholders. Now let's take a review of our quarter three results. As usual, I will take you through the main points of our performance, and Marko will then focus on the financials. Our vision is to be number one used car retailer in Europe. As we are already the third-largest dealer focusing on used cars, our vision is very realistic. This table includes European operators that focus on sales of used cars.

The figures are from full year 2021, and you may notice that we have updated Aramis and Autohero's estimated figures with exact numbers. During Q3, the effects of the war in Ukraine reflected in the energy crisis, inflation, and rising interest rates, have continued to have a significant impact on the used car market. Demand between different power sources has also varied significantly and quickly during Q3. In spite of the exceptional market conditions, we succeeded in our main goal, increasing turnover. This proves that our omnichannel strategy and concept works also in difficult conditions. We cannot be satisfied with the gross margin development in Finland and in Sweden. In Germany, however, gross margin developed positively. Our main goal during this strategy period is growth in our international operations, and we have made some progress here.

The renewal of our group management team, Martin Verrelli began as a Country Director for Germany in the first of July, and Jarkko Lehtismäki started as Chief Digital Officer on September first. Our revenue increased by 2.8%, and gross profit decreased by 16.5%. It came mostly from Finland and Sweden. Also, the operating profit decreased compared to the previous year and was EUR 5.2 million. Like-for-like, showrooms revenue grew by 0.5%. Revenue from integrated services increased up to EUR 30 million or 5% of total revenue. The market for used cars has historically been very stable, even during crisis. Now, the market has contracted more strongly than during COVID, when it's also bounced back very quickly.

For the time being, we have not started to see signs of recovery. The decline in Q3, similar to Q2, it was together -20% in all our markets. In Finland, -13%, in Sweden, -19%, and in Germany, -21%, decreasing the whole market. During the third quarter, we have increased our market share in all our operating countries. In Europe, registration of new passenger cars started to grow during Q3 after a long decline. Full year figures are still red, however. The market has been challenging for others too. Cazoo has announced it is leaving mainland Europe, and it has sold its Italian business to Aramis Group. CarNext has stopped its consumer business in Germany and Norway. Aramis Group has completed its acquisition of Onlinecars in Austria.

Average prices of sold cars were still at a high level compared to last year. Sales of EVs and rechargeable hybrids grew 29% versus Q3 last year, and their average prices are higher. On its own, sales of EVs grew even faster. Clearly, we are not satisfied with the adjusted operating profit, which reflect the current weaknesses in our metal margin. The reason for this is the strong changes in demand between different power sources. At the end of the summer, we also bought in EVs at too high prices, given that their demand declined since then. The number of sold cars decreased but less than the overall market, so we managed to grow our share. This happened in all our operating countries. Totally, we sold 9.3% less pieces than Q3 2021.

Well, we can be satisfied we succeeded well in sales of integrated services. The growth was nearly 22%. We are quite satisfied with that. We succeeded well in selling both financing services as well as the Kamux Plus products. In Finland particularly, the renewed Kamux Plus service performed well as penetration grew from 19%-28%. In Germany, the financing services penetration grew from 18%-33%. I would also like to remind you that the income from finance services and Kamux Plus are distributed across the entire contract period. The total revenue was EUR 13 million. Here is the status of our showrooms. As of today, we have 78 showrooms across the three co-operating countries.

In line with our strategy in Finland, we combined the Olari and Niittykumpu showrooms in August. In Germany, we combined the Wentorf and Nedderfeld showrooms. In Sweden, we opened the Kalmar and Nyköping showrooms at the turn of September slash October. This concludes my part of the presentation, and I hand over to Marko for the financial review.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

Thanks, Juha. In the third quarter, the difficult market environment was very much reflecting our business. Of course, the demand was very much fluctuating different between different power sources, and that was, of course, impacting our car margin. Our gross margin per car was EUR 1,427, and it was weakening from the last year. Revenue from the integrated services was growing at 21.7% and clearly faster than the revenue. Especially there, the financing and the renewed Kamux Plus in Finland was going well. Our concept was also showing its capability and functionality in this very challenging market environment, and our costs were kept in good control, and they were at last year's level.

Return on equity was 17.5%, and it was weakening from the previous year. Equity ratio was 47.4%, and it is good to remember that it is including our IFRS 16 lease debt, which is roughly EUR 42.1 million. If thinking without that, so the balance sheet is very strong in Kamux. Our earnings per share was EUR 0.09 and decreased 51.3% from the previous year. I always like to remind that the strong balance sheet is the backbone of our growth strategy. A few picks from the key figures.

The revenue was growing in the third quarter 2 . 8 % being EUR 2 61 . 7 million , and from January to September, the revenue was EUR 7 45.8 million growing 7.6% . And the gross margin or gross profit was 24.2 %, EUR 4.2 million , 9.2% . And as Juha was telling, it was quite strongly reflected by the car margin, so the so-called metal margin in here. I ntegrated services was clearly developing positively and that was, that was growing fast as I was mentioning. Operating profit 5. 2 %, - 47 . 8 % compared to previous year.

In the January to September, the operating profit EUR 15.4 million, declining 31.5%. What was positive was that our sales growth from like-for-like showrooms was growing positively, although small number. The inventory turnover days was 52.9 days, which was slightly declining compared to last year, but what is positive, it was improving from the second quarter when it was 55.4 days. We are trending into the right direction here. If we go to the segments and start with the Finland. In Finland, our sold units were decreasing 8.5%, but the average prices were slightly increasing.

That was coming from the car mix, what we sold, and also the integrated services were raising the revenue. Revenue was raising 3%, being EUR 169.2 million. Gross margin was decreasing compared to the previous year and was EUR 17.4 million or 10.3% from the revenue. Here really was impacting us the car margin, and that was due to very strongly and quickly changing customer demand between the power sources. I have to say that in this year, so quick changes we have not seen really in the past. Operating profit decreased 34.7% and was EUR 7.2 million or 4.3% from the revenue.

It was in line coming from the gross margin. As I was telling about the costs, the costs were in line with the last year level. Integrated services revenue in Finland was also increasing well and being EUR 10.5 million or 6.2% of the revenue. In Sweden, in third quarter, the market, so when we talk about the market, we talk about units. Sold units were declining even 19%. In our sold units in Sweden were declining 10.4%, so we are slightly gaining market share there.

Our total revenue was increasing 0.4%, being EUR 78.7 million, and the gross margin was decreasing compared to the previous year and was EUR 4.8 million or 6.1% of the revenue. In Sweden, we were not satisfied with the car margin development, and that was also impacted similarly as in Finland, the demand between the power sources and there, the fast changes. We have been also working quite hard with the inventory in Sweden, and that is also reflecting to the gross margin. Operating profit decreased compared to the previous year and was exactly on break-even level or 0% for the total revenue.

It is good to keep in mind that in Sweden, in the third quarter, we were driving up two big stores, and that was of course increasing the costs. In this year, we have been also adding Malmö earlier. We have been opening three stores, big stores in Sweden, and that of course is reflecting also in the profitability. Revenue from the integrated services increased to EUR 1.5 million or 2.2% of the external revenue. In Germany, the positive development was continuing even though the market, so meaning sold units, was totally dropping 21%. Our external revenue was increasing 5.6%, but the total revenue was increasing 2.2% and being EUR 24.6 million.

Gross margin increased to EUR 2 million or being 8.2% of the revenue. It is important to understand that in Germany, these fluctuations between the power sources were less as the electric vehicle sales, especially used electric vehicle sales, have been much smaller in Germany. This thematics between the power sources has been less in German market. In operating profit or operating loss, it decreased to EUR 0.1 million or being -0.4% of the total revenue. In the integrated services, the revenue was developing very well, and it was increasing to EUR 0.9 million or being 3.8% of the external revenue.

In Germany, of course, the penetration and also the demand for the financial services was increasing well. As you might remember in the COVID-19 times, the demand for financing was dropping significantly in Germany. Now it has been recovering many quarters. When we look the net working capital and the inventories from a CFO perspective, I cannot be satisfied with the development. If I look the inventory, so they were growing 18.8% from the previous year. The net working capital was growing 48.7% from the previous year.

For the net working capital, it was heavily impacted by the significant amount of accounts payables in comparison period, and that was impacted by Finnish customs I.T. system renewal, which was prolonging or delaying the car tax decisions, meaning that the car tax payments were staying longer in our accounts payables. In overall, the car availability or availability of the used cars have been improving, and also the amount of cars in different portals have been slightly increasing. However, still the sought-after cars, for example, the affordable and low consumption cars, there, of course, the purchasing market is still tight. Currently now, electric vehicles and plug-in hybrid markets, there, the availability has improved significantly.

As I was mentioning in the previous part, we were happy that we were now able to turn the inventory turnover to lower trend as it has been going up in the couple of previous quarters. The cash flow from the operating activities was EUR 6.8 million and that is of course reflecting now the weakening of the operating profit compared to the comparison period. Of course still the stock itself was also in high level.

When we talk about the investments, so in the third quarter, our investments were EUR 0.6 million, from which EUR 0.3 million were going to immaterial investments, so meaning our digital projects, and 0.2% for the material projects, meaning store network growth or building stores. There, it is important to understand that we have been significantly building up and empowering our own digital resources, and that you can see that our group functions cost has been slightly increasing, but the investments have been significantly decreasing. It means that we are now doing much more ourselves, the digital development.

Dividend has been in line with the new strategy and meaning that we in the new strategy has been putting more retained earnings to finance the growth. We have now paid the second installment of the dividend at the end of the October being EUR 0.12 per share. I will go to the strategy outlook and financial targets. In the strategy period 2021-2023, the focus was to accelerate the growth, so meaning seizing the huge market opportunity with strongly digital and international retail chain. The profitability development is then built on business growth and scalability during the strategy period. Here, the cornerstone of the strategy has been the seamless omnichannel customer experience.

Here, the key building blocks has been, of course, our digital presence, but also our KMS, so Kamux Management System, what we are using in every country where we operate. There, that is enabling us to have the one European-level stock, also new services to be provided for the customers. If we look how we have been progressing with our strategy in the third quarter, and we start with the different areas of the strategy. In the seamless omnichannel customer experience and services, we have been now in the third quarter piloting or started the NPS pilot, so Net Promoter Score measurement in Finland, and the first results has been very good. Utilizing data and leading with the knowledge, we were talking last time about using the data more for purchasing.

We have been now progressing with our DSP process, which mean that we are systematically using data to guide the purchasing functions in the group. We have been now piloting that in Finland, and we will take that into use in all Kamux countries until the year-end. Efficient processes, scalability and store strategy. We have been very active with the store networks and, as Juha was mentioning, so we opened two new stores in Sweden. We combined Olari and Niittykumpu in Finland, and we combined Wentorf and Nedderfeld stores in Germany. Last but definitely not least is the developing capabilities and continuous learning. There we have started with the Kamux Passport program, which was enabling international career path inside the company.

I'm happy to tell that already we have a first people working abroad among this program. About the financial targets for the strategy period. The targets have been unchanged, and they are revenue growth over 20% annually increasing absolute adjusted EBIT and adjusted EBIT margin over 3.5%, a return on equity over 25%, and target to distribute dividends at least 25% of the net profits. Now from January to September, the revenue growth had been 7.6%, adjusted operating profit EUR 15.4 million, adjusted operating profit margin 2.1%, return on equity 17.5%, and dividend for the year 2021 was 41%. We have also revised the outlook for the 2022.

Now the revised outlook is that we expect the revenue to be over EUR 1 billion, and we expect the adjusted operating profit to be approximately EUR 23 million-EUR 26 million. Now I will summarize this all. Revenue increased by 2.8% to EUR 261.7 million. Gross profit decreased by 16.5% to EUR 24.2 million. Adjusted operating profit decreased compared to previous year and was EUR 5.2 million. Like-for-like showroom revenue grew by 0.5%, and the revenue from integrated services increased to EUR 13 million or 5% of the total revenue. In the third quarter, the effects of the Ukrainian war and consumer purchasing power was weakening, so that we saw very strongly in our business.

Thank you, and we are happy to answer your questions.

Operator

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Moderator

Okay, we have no questions via the teleconference lines, but we do have a couple of questions via the webcast chat. Maria Wikström from SEB asks, "What do you think about your inventory level and quality at the moment? Do you need to bring it down more or to change the type of cars you have in the current inventory? Will these impact gross margin going forward?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

If you look back to the years, so you can see that our inventory level has been fluctuating between the quarters. During the COVID-19 times, that development has been different as the availability of the used cars have been scarce. If the availability improves, that of course gives us more space to maneuver, meaning that we can also adjust the inventory levels more effectively. We have been, in the third quarter, working with the inventory, and that is also impacting the margin. Also, I would say that it is a work what never ends, but I would say that the most of that is anyway done.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Maybe if we continue about that, the outlook of this year, what we gave after the Q2, it also tells about the story at the end of the year. Mm-hmm.

Moderator

Okay. Maria is also asking whether the integrated services kickbacks give us confidence for the low end of full-year guidance range to hold.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

It is of course the integrated services and possible kickbacks that is of course important part of our business and important part of our plans. Of course, that is not the only factor what is there. It is an important factor there, of course.

Moderator

Okay. Finally, when do you expect the used car market to start growing again? What would be the leading indicator?

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Good question. The person who knows when it starts can tell. We don't have now the timing, the time when it's improving. Of course, there are different scenarios. Next year, can it be at the second part of year, we don't know. What we aim is that next year, of course, there is, if we compare to the 2022 figures, we don't believe that the market decline the whole next year.

Moderator

Thank you. Further questions, this one definitely to you, Juha. Could you walk us through the process of deciding to leave the CEO spot and finding the new CEO? Where and how did you find Tapio Pajuharju, and why is he good for taking Kamux to the next level?

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Of course it was a, well, a long journey in my career in Kamux, nearly 20 years in next summer. I looked in long time the possibilities to find the right, what is the right time and who is the right person, and if maybe I can say that when the nomination committee looked at the board members and so on, and there was the lamp said a blim.

Okay, Tapio and his background, and we started negotiating and discussing about the role. When I thought what are my capabilities and skills to grow with Kamux internationally and compare to Tapio's skills, I'm extremely sure that he have better skills to do or make a good job with Kamux and journey, and it's very good for the company, and that's why also for me.

Moderator

Thank you. Getting back to financials, what will drive the EBIT margin improvement? Missed the rationale and timing for Mr. Kalliokoski's decision to step down. That was just answered. What will drive the EBIT margin improvement?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

I'm not quite sure if I quite caught the question correctly. If I reflect to the strategy period and how we have been setting our plans, of course, they're capturing the market share growth, increased scale, and of course the strategic activities are there. Currently, the market definitely has given us a strong headwind, so not helping in this task.

Moderator

All right. Can you discuss the profit margin of integrated services now when interest rates are rising? Will profits get squeezed in the coming quarters? What have you done to mitigate these effects?

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

It works so that, for example, if we made finance agreement with the customer a year ago or a month ago, we have the purchase price for the money, and we sell it to the customer, and it's the whole contract period, how many years it is. Is it one or 72 months? It means that we earn when the customer pays those money which coming for us. When the interest rate increasing, it means that we of course grow our own interest rate for the customers. It's a question about what is the margin between our purchase price and the selling price.

Of course we try to push the interest rate up as same as when our interest rate increase. Do we have some others?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

Maybe I would like to note that currently still the car financing interest rates has been lower than the inflation. I don't think that has been major blocking point for the car business.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

As we also saw what Marko mentioned about or what we can see from our Q3 results, that the penetration in all countries are good level. There is not changes in Finland or Sweden, and it increased in Germany.

Moderator

How would you describe the effect of higher interest rates and energy costs on Kamux business operations?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

If thinking about the energy itself, and I translate this question that fuels what we use or the buildings what we operate, there, of course, there are some increase of the cost, but on the total cost level, that is still not really like a material thing. Maybe the bigger thing is, of course, how this is working with the consumer confidence and especially the business operations. We see that the customers are preferring currently more affordable, lower consumption cars.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

For example, the electric price for us.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

We have a fixed contract.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Fixed contracts in the coming years, something ending next year and something 2024, and so on.

Moderator

Thank you. Which geographies were impacted by the EV purchasing mistake at the end of the summer, so higher prices before demand then softened?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

I think that the purchasing mistake is a relatively strong word. I would like to remind that when we looked in earlier this summer and in the second quarter, the EV demand was very strongly growing. With some media coverage about the electricity prices and also possible power shortages in coming winter, so that was quite quickly cooling down the interest of those cars. Of course, we also cooled down our purchases there. Mainly, as I was saying, that Germany was not impacted by this, as in German used car business, the electric vehicles are still playing very minor role. Impact was in Sweden and in Finland.

Moderator

Thank you. Further about interest rates and our prices. Can you still increase your prices regarding interest rates, or is there some upper limit on how high it can go?

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

When I started my career in used car business and car business, 1994, the interest rate was 15%-16%, and now we speak about the 5%-6% level. We are quite far away from there. Of course, it's more about the mentally, the thinking for the sellers and the customers. As we saw that in many cases, when something happens, first there is coming the impact, and after that it's the normal, as a normal. I don't see big issues in that sense. Of course, we are selling to the customers the monthly payment, not the interest rate.

And it means that it can be a little bit longer time, but the payments per month is the most important thing. And if we compare to what means 1%, if you have 10,000 euros loan, it means 10 euros per month. It's not so big issue.

Moderator

Very good. Thank you. There are no further questions. Are there any final remarks either of you would like to make? Now I see that we have a question here from the audience.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Thomas Westerholm here from Inderes. Just a couple of questions from me, if I may. If we start off talking about the financing product, could you provide us some color on how large of a share the variable component from interest rate finance or the interest rate variable component has been of your F&I product revenue?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

Actually, if I got the question right, we have not been selling a car financing with the variable interest, so it has been always fixed, if that was what you meant.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Yeah. Actually, I meant the spread between the interest rate you give out to the customer and the one you receive yourself, so this variable running component of the revenue.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

As we have been also saying before is that when there has been this interest rates, so in the same token, we are changing our prices as well.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

If you think about the revenue side, we book only what's finance companies pays for us. It is nothing, how much the total sum the customer pay for the finance companies.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Yeah.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

It's only between what we earn, what we book in the revenue.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay. Fair. Regarding M&A, could you provide us some color how you view M&A as a possible part of Kamux's investment story? You have been quite conservative with that, only one acquisition, but your new CEO, or upcoming CEO, Mr. Tapio Pajuharju, has a very good track record of doing M&A deals. Could this be a bigger part of Kamux's story going forward?

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

In our growth plan, we didn't say that we don't make acquisitions. At the same time, we have only this one in the last 90 years. Of course, it's the Tapio's story when he's a CEO, and I can't say that nothing about that. In my time, it is one of the tools, but we didn't have the right company to purchase or the price is wrong in our side.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

All right. Lastly for me, have you seen any significant changes in the prices of either cars by fuel type or by model now during Q4, similar to what we saw during Q3 and Q2 to some extent?

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

As we were saying that the Q3 was relatively dramatic, especially for the consumer preferences changing away from the electric vehicles, I think there is not really big, like, new trends or changes happening in the overall market at the moment as far as I see.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Maybe one point that it is important understand as same we understand that the EVs is the coming and it's clear, but the reason why the demand of the EVs was so low was that the used car EV's price was higher than the new cars. There was the not the right direction, and now it change, and it's went to the right direction, and the normal as we understand that used car must be cheaper than the new one.

Thomas Westerholm
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay. Thank you for the color.

Moderator

Thank you. We have no further questions from the chat either, so thank you, gentlemen, and until next time.

Juha Kalliokoski
CEO and Founder, Kamux

Thank you very much, and have a nice Friday.

Marko Lehtonen
CFO, Kamux

Thank you.

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