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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 5, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I'm Constantinos Giakoumis, call operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Yapı Kredi Conference Call and Live Webcast to present and discuss the Yapı Kredi 2025 Financial Results and 2026 Guidance Conference Call and Live Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on your telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kürşad Keteci, CSO, and Ms. Hilal Varol, head of, Head of Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis. Mr. Keteci, you may now proceed.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining our 2025 Earnings and 2026 Guidance Call. Starting with the operating environment, 2025 was a year of rebalancing in Turkish economy. Tight monetary policy compared to 65 in, two thousand and twenty-three. We expect this inflation trajectory to sustain in 2026 also. Central Bank cut rates by a total of 950 basis points in 2025, followed by a conservative 100 basis points cuts in the first MPC meeting of 2026. Policy rate now stands at 37%, still providing a significant real return in compounded terms, 45% compound versus 31% of inflation. On the other hand, macro-prudential measures continue to be tight, along with last week's additional regulations, mainly on the retail front.

We anticipate that the tight monetary policy and improvements in fiscal policy will support the ongoing disinflation outlook. Equally important, central bank continued to build further reserves. Combined with the, increase and changes in the gold versus US dollar, as of now, gross reserves surpassed $218 billion, and net reserves is around $95 billion. In this environment, as we always, do, we are seizing opportunities, thanks to our best-in-class asset liability management, deposit, deposit pricing strategies, as well as our strong customer base and network franchise. Now, let's move on to our performance for 2025, and I will proceed with the second page of our presentation. Our profit before tax, just shy of doubling, reached TRY 65 billion for 2025.

Net profit went up by a hefty 79% increase to $52 billion, adjusted for the one-off tax regulation impact. The tax regulation impact, the DTA adjustment happened at the last quarter of last year due to change in the tax regulation. Reported growth was 62%. Tax impact adjusted ROTE stood around 23.5%, which is in line with our full year guidance, which was mid-twenties. Return on Assets, on the other hand, improved to 1.7%. As we have stated several times, we are best-positioned bank for the rate cut cycle, and we delivered the highest ROE improvement among our peers and also far for last year. Main driver of our strong pre-tax growth was our top-line performance. Our core revenue margin improved 212 basis points yearly and reached to 6.7%.

Net interest margin widened above 150 basis points yearly, by far the highest improvement, and fee growth was at 50%, which resulted a strong 81% increase in core revenues. Outstanding performance on the top line was further supported by resilient asset quality. We outperformed the market as well as our peer group throughout 2025. We had 32% lower net NPL inflows than our peers, so far announced. And also with our strategic actions, top-notch underwriting standards, and our with all those, our NPL market share improved by 274 basis points for NPL outstanding amounts versus private banks, and cost of risk realized at 1.67%.

Several other factors contributing to our performance are, as always, it has been our demand deposit share in total deposits continues to be best in class, further supporting cost of deposits and reflecting the effectiveness of our customer-oriented strategies. Turkish lira loan deposit spreads widened around 566 basis points yearly. This demonstrates our active loan and effective deposit pricing strategies, again, thanks to our best-in-class service model and strong customer franchise. Additionally, this year, trading income increased as much as 67% yearly. This improvement is driven by significant increase in our customer transactions, as well as increase in our treasury activities. This showcases our sustainable trading performance. Now, I am handing the floor to Hilal, and she's going to provide details beyond, behind our performance.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you very much, Kürşad, and I thank you all for joining our call today. I will start with page three. Throughout 2025, we continued our prudent and lucrative lending strategies, increasing 10% quarterly, Turkish lira loans went up by 43%, higher than our initial guidance of below average inflation increase. We also continue to see the lucrative growth availability on the foreign currency side, as we always mentioned throughout the year. Our foreign currency loans increased 23% annually, and again, a bit higher than our initial guidance. Thanks to the focus on high-yielding products, our loan yields adjusted for credit cards continue to improve. With a 275 basis points improvement, our loan yield went up to 48%. Both the improvement and the level is best in class. In line with the regulations, we target 40-30% increase in Turkish lira loans and single-digit increase in foreign currency.

We are, and we will be continuing our selective and lucrative lending strategy, which will continue to support our spreads. We will continue to act in an agile manner, as always. Now, moving to deposits, we are on page 4. Customers are in the center of our strategies, which is continuously paying off. Increasing 8% quarter on quarter, Turkish lira deposits growth reached 33% in 2025. Turkish lira demand deposits increase sustained in the last quarter, reaching a strong 35% annual increase. We gained 45 basis points market share in the year. This is among private banks, and our market share reached 17.2%. And once again, proving our leadership position. Turkish lira demand deposit share stood at 28%. This is, again, the highest level among peers.

Foreign currency deposits, on the other hand, increased 7% quarterly, up 31% annually, and this is mainly due to the increase in gold prices, as well as deductions from the FX Protected Deposit Scheme. Foreign currency demand deposits were also up 8% quarter-over-quarter and 28% year-over-year. All in all, our demand deposit share in total further improved and is very strong at 48%. This is the highest level among the peer group, also the total. So also supporting our cost of deposits, small tickets deposit base continues to increase, going up by more than 6 percentage points. Sticky and low-cost small ticket deposit share in total reached to 80% levels. Thanks to this strong deposit performance and our agile pricing strategies, Turkish lira deposit costs came down 291 basis points annually.

Again, this is by far the highest improvement among the peer group. While maintaining below the market deposit rate, so we can control it, we will go deep through the details. We will gradually increase the share of deposits in the funding sources going forward, and once again, small ticket focus. Now I'm moving to the details of our profits, starting with the top line. We have best-in-class core revenue margin improvement, fueling our revenue growth alongside support from now it's, we can say it's proven sustainable income generation through our treasury activities. Our revenues increased 78% in 2025, reaching to TRY 218 billion Turkish lira. This is thanks to the strength in core revenues, which improved a half 81%, supported by the improvement in the net interest margin and strong fee income.

So the core revenue margin was up by 212 basis points to 6.7% on a bank-only basis. As we have stated in our previous calls, strong trading income is sustainable and support is going up. This is thanks to the increase in customer activities, supported by our data analytics, as well as timely actions taken by our treasury on our securities portfolio. In the following pages, we will dig into the details. Net interest margin improving with ongoing rate cuts are, and also definitely our superior asset liabilities management with strategic balance sheet is helping us.

Net interest margin widened 55 basis points quarter-on-quarter to 2.6% in the Q4, carrying up the cumulative net interest margin to 2.4%, which is up by 151 basis points year-over-year, highest expansion among the peer group, and this is definitely supported by the core net interest margin. Our loan deposit spread contribution to the NIM is improving and further improved to 4.1%. This is significantly above peers, and it continues to be higher than the peers, and this is showing the room for further improvement in our net interest margin. Now, moving to the next page. We are on page 6. On the fees, performance is very robust. We have increased our fee base by 50% annually, beating our guidance of above equal to 40%.

We are continuously leveraging on customer franchise as well as sustaining diversification efforts. Our payment system business, definitely supporting our fees, increased 54% year-over-year. But on the other hand, number and amount of transactions are increasing and very strong support to the fee transactions, increasing 56% annually. Bank assurance up 69%, investment products up 51%, so we are seeing a very well-diversified support. Once again, our strong customer franchise will continue to support our already high level of fee generation. Moving to OpEx, we are on page 7. As a result of our IT investments for technological transformation and human capital investments, OpEx increased to that 53% as expected.

Our fee coverage of OpEx to that 94%, and this is allowing us navigating through cost increase, like IT investments, business growth, human capital, and cost to average assets are at 4.1%. These investments will allow us to improve our operational excellence and create further efficiency. Now, moving to our other strength, our asset quality, we are now on page 8. Our prudent planning strategies, timeline, strategic actions supported our asset quality in a year of deterioration, mainly through this came from our secured consumer loans for the system. This performance is thanks to our active and timely management, once again, through data analytics and AI. And looking at the quarterly average, NPL formations stood at TRY 15.9 billion, when collections continued to be strong at TRY 6.5 billion.

As a result, net NPL inflows were at TRY 9.4 billion, significantly 25% below the peer average, and we are diverging positively. That being said, we continued our uncompromised prudence provisioning. Quarterly average net NPL inflows from consumer loans to that TRY 2.5 billion, and this was slightly better than what we had in 2024, and TRY 3 billion lower than the peer average. Credit card NPL inflows, they increased from 2024 levels, but still 35% lower than the peer average. NPL inflows from the SME side increasing from the very low base, and we are prudently increasing the provisioning levels. Also, please note that the share of SME loans in our total portfolio is around 8%, so it's limited.

Also, we are always selective in lending with high level of collaterals. In 2026, our main focus will continue to be collections. This time, SMEs will be our main focus. Now moving to page 9. For the fifth consecutive quarter, we are losing market share in NPLs. That means we are performing better. As Kürşat stated, after twenty-seven basis points better NPL performance in the last quarter of 2024, our market share improved by further 275 basis points in 2025. Our coverage level, showing no compromise from prudent provisioning, increased further to 3.7%, and if we adjust the NPL sales, 4.3%.

All in all, our cost op is still at 167 basis points as of 2025, and this is in line with our guidance, 150-125 basis points. So we will keep our focus on asset quality and recoveries with sustained prudence. Now I am moving to the solvency. We are comfortable with our buffers under stricter IR, IRB standards during the economic volatility. Our Tier I ratio stands at 11.8%, 223 basis points buffer, capital adequacy ratio improved to 14.8, and the buffer is 2 80. Our successful and timely capital issuances are definitely also supporting our capital.

And I would also like to emphasize that we had the first signals of internal capital generation in Q4, despite the tax impact on profit and showing the start of the cycle. The sensitivities are very limited. So for 10% depreciation has 29 basis points impact on CET1, no impact on capital. The break-even levels are very high, 10.4 in dollar Turkish lira, and 100 basis points. Parallel shift in the Turkish lira yield curve is also very limited, close to 15 basis points. So all incorporated, we are comfortable with our capital levels today. So on page 11 is the summary of our guidance versus the realization in 2025.

Adjusted for the tax impact, which was last minute and one-off, our ROTE will be at 23.5% and in line with our guidance. The slightly lower than targeted net interest margin was compensated by our stronger fee and better trading performance. Now I'm leaving the floor to Kürşat for 2026 outlook and our guidance call, and then we will be taking your questions. Kürşat?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you, Hilal. Before going to details of our 2026 guidance, I would like to mention a couple of our competitive advantages, starting with page 12. These advantages are helping us to feel comfortable about our 2026 operating plan. Firstly, our strong customer franchise. We have around 18 million active customers, of which more than 8 million we acquired in last 5 years. These new customers were mainly bankable customers with a sizable AUMs, rather than penetrating to unbankable population. This strategy resulted to create strong deposit base as well as loan growth in widespread retail products with a better asset quality. As a result of this strong customer franchise, our Turkish lira deposit costs are being supported. We have increased number of transactions, which at the end results a better fee performance.

Second important competitive advantage I would like to say, our fast repricing funding mix. As we have been stating for the last year, our funding mix is creating an advantage for us during this rate cut environment. We have the highest short-term non-deposit funding share, which is 33% of funding base, excluding equity. This supports our net interest margin, going to support our net interest margin. Also, it's going to boost our repricing capacity with this funding mix. The third important competitive advantage I would like to mention is our security portfolio. With our agile asset liability management, leading to changing the mix of our security portfolio to fixed rate. As you all know, we have heavily invested before the inflation period to CPI Linkers, and we benefited.

What you are seeing and what you are going to see more, we have been investing to high-yielding fixed rate securities with 45% year-on-year growth this year. And this is going to support our trading gains as well as our net interest margin. And additionally, it is going to impact an improvement in our book value due through mark-to-market valuation, unrealized gains under equity. And lastly, our sound asset quality. And with all these customer acquisition, increasing number of transactions, these are also helping us to have a better asset quality due to our customer acquisition strategy. What we have been acquiring is a customer, salary customers and pensioners. Their PDs are much lower than a normal retail clients, and we have been giving our GPS more than 65% of our GPS to salary customers.

And that at the end, our NPL ratio, our NPL inflow are better than our peers and the market as a result of this mainly customer acquisition strategy. On top of customer acquisition strategy, active management through data analytics and AI. Our underwriting policies, I would say, state-of-the-art technology-based and fully machine learning activities without any human interactions. Moving to page 13, where I would like to comment some words on the technological investments and our capacity, which is going to create operational efficiency and productivity for upcoming years. Regarding to our technology transformation, our IT system, we are the only Turkish bank who completed Next-Generation Banking Architecture. It was a project we did between 2020 to this year.

This infrastructure update is helping us to have a microservice architecture and, the platforms, all the platforms, banking system, core banking system platforms, are modular rather than a one single platform, everything is on it. And also especially a data connection between all these models, are helping us to make easy updates, quicker updates, and as well as if there is any, problems, to solve it without interrupting any banking activities through our channels. This, this is a result of a close to $200 million, more than $175 million investment specifically to this transformation. And this is going to help us, to create, this technology advantage, and as also it's going to help us to build up AI-based IT structure on this modular, platforms and microservice architecture.

Just a note, without having a modular structure, modular platforms, and the microservice architecture, building up an AI technology on it is impossible. Therefore, we have already done this transformation. How it is impacting our customers from customer front? I will summarize it as a journey to hyper personalization. And what we are doing as a hyper personalization activities, first of all, next best action is creating an estimation models for our customer needs. But what is different for us, it works with the real-time data and together with the generative AI facilities, which is supporting our relationship managers. And it helps them to increase their sale conversion pace, also enhance customer experience, as well as operational efficiency and productivity.

Another example for hyper personalization, I would like to say, we have a customized pricing and offers for each customers. Personalized time deposit pricing, as well as personalized FX spread pricing. Also, sector asset estimation to increase our AUM-based deposit base for individuals, for customers who are not keeping their balances with us. And we have those estimation models, again, helping our relationship managers to easily access to new customer base. As a result of it, we are reaching this low-cost Turkish time deposit base compared to our peers. Regardless to say, and mainly the machine learning and AI technology are the core for our risk management. With data analytics and AI in risk management, we are able to get early warning, early warnings for any asset quality deterioration and took related actions.

Income prediction models updated by itself automatically, and also collection estimation models is helping us first, the NPL inflows to get smaller, as well as collection capacity to get higher and higher. With some of our competitive advantages, for 2026, our operating plan is as follows: For Turkish lira loan growth, we estimate to have more than 30% growth in line with the regulatory test. And also for FX loan growth, we believe we can grow low single digits due to regulation activities. Just a note, and behind this operating model, our inflation expectation is around 23%-24% levels.

Also we assume that real Turkish lira interest rate to reduce, compared to 2025, and which means the policy rate something close to 30% levels, 29% levels, is our main assumption. On top of these macro assumptions, we also keep all macroprudential measures to sustain throughout the years. Therefore, some part of our guidance could be some a bit conservative, but we would like to stay on the conservative side. If anything comes better than this, we will seize those opportunities. Accordingly, the net interest margin growth yearly, we have an estimation and budget to have an improvement more than 100 basis points for net interest margin.

Also, fee growth to, in line with inflation levels, mainly negatively impacted due to lower merchant commission, which is going to be offset by diversification and increase in number of transactions. Cost growth, we would like to put some efficiency actions starting from this year. Therefore, we are targeting, less than 35% cost growth. And also for the asset quality, we believe we can keep our, existing performance, and 150-175 basis points cost of risk. As a result of those, metrics, we target to have an ROE high 20s, I would say, which means, minimum 5% higher than the inflation levels. And these are all, for our presentation, and then we can take your, questions. Floor is yours.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Now we can take the questions now. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the Q&A session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star followed by one on their telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, then you may press star and two. Please use your handset when asking your question for better quality. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. One moment for the first question, please. The first question comes from the line of Simon Nellis with Citibank. Please go ahead.

Simon Nellis
Analyst, Citigroup, Inc.

Oh, thank you for the opportunity. I have three questions. I guess the first one is just around the sharp increase in NPLs over the quarter. Could you just provide a little more clarity on what was going on and what's your outlook for NPL inflow this year? My second question would be about the tax rate. What effective tax rate should we use for 2026 and going forward, given the recent tax changes? And I had one more, but I forgot. Let's leave it at there for now. T hen the associates income and the bank-only income statement. What's the outlook for growth there this year? Thank you.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you, Simon. For quarterly NPL increases coming from company loans, as we have been telling, for us, retail NPL inflow peaked during the year, and we see a better performance on the retail part, and this is coming from the company side. But also, but also I would like to say collection performance is also quite good, which is offsetting this gross NPL flow, and which has been the case throughout the quarters, better collection performance. In terms of outlook in 2026, our assumptions for NPL flow to continue for SMEs, and we see this worsening for the SMEs, and it is continuing. That's why the cost of risk trend and also NPL inflow is going to be impacted by SME-related NPL flows rather than the retail.

We start seeing retail in a decreasing trend. For this SME increase, the precautionary actions are restructuring actions in place. Also, better underwriting performance we are setting. What could go wrong for the asset quality in 2026 is this rate cut trajectory. If rate cut trajectory is not going to happen in line with all expectations, then net interest margin impact for sure, but the asset quality impact will be quite more important for all sectors. That's why the SME lending in our focus is in our focus. Your second question, tax rate for 2026, effective tax rate, I would use 28%, around 25%-28% for effective tax rate 2026.

Because what happened last quarter was reversal of the regulation for the first nine months in a single quarter, which resulted a very high effective tax rate. There is nothing left like this adjustment for 2026. Therefore, you can use 25%-28% effective tax rate.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Just one comment on that. Please note that, on the unconsolidated one, when you're calculating the tax rate, you need to take out, subsidiaries income to reach a more, stable tax rate, because, they are setting aside different type of taxes and which is not included in our bank-only tax rate.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

For our subsidiaries income, your last question, and I would say when the core bank's profitability increase, subsidiary incomes in total share, you will see a decrease. But what I could say to you, for subsidiary income increase, we are assuming more than 40%-45% yearly earnings growth.

Simon Nellis
Analyst, Citigroup, Inc.

Very clear. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of David Taranto with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

David Taranto
Analyst, Bank of America Corporation

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I have four, please. Could you walk us through the key macro assumptions underpinning your guidance? I'm particularly interested in your inflation and year-end full rate assumptions, please. I might have missed this at the presentation. Sorry if that's the case. Second question is on NIM. How conservative is your NIM outlook? Could you elaborate on the main drivers here, how you expect deposit pricing to evolve, and when do you anticipate NIM to peak this year, please? Third one is on asset quality. Your cost of risk guidance appears more favorable than peers. You already touched upon this at the presentation, but could you discuss the main factors supporting this expected outperformance in asset quality?

Does your assumptions include an acceleration in retail loan restructuring, or would this pose an upside risk to what you have at the guidance? And finally, as the IRB bank in Turkey, could you share your expectations regarding the Basel IV implementation and how its impact may differ relative to the standard approach? Thank you.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you, David. Your first question, our macro assumptions, inflation around 23%-24% level. And with regards on top of inflation, we assume for the year-end, around 5% real interest rate, which means 28%-29% levels of policy rate. But for this macro assumption, we assume that the acceleration for the rate cuts or decrease in the real, real interest rate in TL mostly happen in the H2 of the year. And, this is something about your second question again, how conservative are net interest margin? For, and also for the macro assumption, I would add, the macroprudential measures to stay for reserve requirements as well as growth cap and, also deposit share in Turkish lira.

With all these assumptions, our NIM, how conservative, I will say, if the deposit cost is getting aligned with policy rate, it is a quite important upside, which is happening also on the first month of the year. We have observed with the latest regulation change of the central bank, therefore, there is a little bit upside coming from deposit pricing. We have budgeted the deposit pricing to be higher than the policy rate. Now it is getting aligned with the policy rate. It is an important event and the peak you mentioned, based on our budget and based on our assumptions, is happening around Q3, end of Q3, beginning of Q4.

With this conservative approach, I would say, but if the macro happenings, macro assumptions, are getting better earlier than this Q3, can go to end of Q2. But for your second question, how conservative? I will say, there is an upside, due to what we have seen as of January. I hope it will continue like this. Our January results, our management result we see is quite better than our budget. And your third question, cost of risk guidance and the main factors. And for the cost of risk, again, we feel comfortable for the retail lending part, because we have a very quite aggressive restructuring on the retail part. And also this underwriting policies and our retail lending, mainly to our salary customers, is limiting NPL flows for the retail side.

And also being a credit card bank for the last 35 years, we have quite an experience on those, and our credit card NPL ratio has always been lower. That's why we are not hit by credit cards as the market or as the other banks are being hit. It is the main factors. The negative is coming from the SMEs I mentioned. Therefore, on the top of retail, SME worsening is going to be quite important. And one another parameter for our cost of risk assumption is the collection activities to sustain. And that these collection activities, you remember from 2018, 2019, restructured big conglomerates. And we have been observing a collection, a good collection performance from those, and the budget includes these collections to stay.

And lastly, for Basel IV implementation, as you mentioned, we are the only IRB bank. And being an IRB bank is helping us, helping us to get benefit from Basel IV. What we have been seeing initially, our Basel IV impact is going to be positive around 40-50 basis points. This 40-50 basis points, compared with the other banks, there is a big question mark about credit cards' unused limits application for RWA. We have been already providing RWA for this credit card unused limits, which is around 100-120 basis points, impacting our capital calculation as of today. Standard bank are not making any this calculation. If Basel IV includes this minus for the already standard methods, which we expect, then our advantage versus the market will be much better. I would like to mention that specifically.

I hope these four all answered your questions, or if any missing, please stop.

David Taranto
Analyst, Bank of America Corporation

All clear. Thank you very much.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you, David.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further audio questions at this time. I will now pass the floor over to management to accommodate any webcast questions. Thank you.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

So we have several questions written. We answered some of them, but one is from Valentina. Says: Despite significant revenue growth in 4Q, your CET1 is still below 10% and buffer below 200 basis points, which has been your target for a while. How comfortable you feel at these levels, and what CET1 ratio and buffer do you expect to see this year?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Valentina, regarding the capital, I just want to add our CET1 buffer closed 180 basis points. The discrepancy I mentioned, being an IRB bank, now we are penalized around 100-125 basis points, just only for this credit card unused limits. Therefore, our normal buffer commitment was around 200 basis points. Including this discrepancy, we are already doing above, which we are telling to all you. Having an under 80 basis points buffer in terms of IRB, it means quite important buffer, compared to any buffering in standard methods. Therefore, we are quite comfortable with current conditions, I would say. Regarding to your movement, you mentioned for the CET1.

As you know, due to net profitability, ROE below inflation and internal capital generation is not happening as we all would like to see. Starting with 2026, ROE levels above inflation, then we are going to see every, each and every quarter, internal capital generation to support capital levels. This could be the last quarter we have seen for the internal capital generation missing. In the upcoming quarters, we are going to see a internal capital generation.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

With follow-up, I will be saying the operational risk. It has around 28 basis points impact.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Twenty-eight?

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

28. Can you please update us on the issuance plans? Again, we will be opportunistic on the issuance plans for this year. We do not have anything maturing, and so it will depend on the market, on the pricing, or as always, we can say we will be opportunistic. So from Goldman Sachs, we have three questions to answered. In medium long-term scenario meetings inflation, if we say, what do you think is a sustainable net interest margin and the ROE?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

And the sustainable net interest margin for 15% of inflation is around 4.2-4.3% net interest margin. And real ROE is around 10% higher than the inflation, which results mid-20s again, if we assume inflation to stay at 15. And about the cost of risk, unfortunately, since this IFRS 9 implementation, we haven't seen a normalized cost of risk. But I would assume it's going to be under 25 pips again.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

How is your net interest margin sensitive to 100 basis points slower, faster rate cuts? So it is around 20 basis points impact on net interest margin and around 120-125 basis points on return on tangible equity, I would say. So from Thomas, could you quantify your investments in technology, AI, in terms of dollars or percentage of total expenses? How you measure return on investment on tech investments? Do you expect to see impact more on cost or revenue, or are you able to quantify it?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Hi, Thomas. Regarding our technology and AI investments, in terms of dollar terms, including with our running costs, we are talking about every year around, with the running cost. What I mean by the running cost, maintenance, HR, our, our IT people, cost, we have more than $125-$130 million per year. And how we are measuring return on investment, each and every project, it's quite detailed, but I will try to give a summary. Each and every projects are being oversee through feasibility, and each project have a feasibility and NPV, and we have some NPV and return on investment thresholds. If a project delivering are above threshold levels, then we start applying, implementing this project.

The impact, what we are going to see more, is going to be on the revenue and productivity, firstly, and on the cost part. We'll follow up later, but the productivity is going to be the main impact.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

We have a couple of questions from Hakan Aygün. So thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions on net interest margin evolution in last 2 quarters and your guidance for 2026. Despite your supporting funding base, your net interest funding expansion was not so strong in the H2 than compared.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Hakan, thank you for the question. For 2025, we have the highest net interest margin expansion versus our peers, what we are following. Therefore, we believe we performed in terms of change; we performed better. And on the H2 versus the H1, we saw more rate cuts. And also, as you remember, during the H1, during the end of Q1 and Q2, there has been a volatility due to internal things, local things happen. It was the reason to start a bit behind for all the sector in the Q3. But in overall, what we see, we can discuss with you separately, but we see a better performance in terms of net interest margin.

About 2026, I tried to mention that we would like to start the conservative approach for net interest margin. I think, having this conservative approach, shows the reason behind the rate cuts happened 100 pips rather than 150 pips, expectation. Therefore, we will stay at this conservative side, and our main target is not to beat our peers in terms of guidance. Our main target is to reach our guidance and beat our guidance.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Second question: You had mentioned that your NPL flows came below sector average, thanks to your restructuring efforts before your peers. However, this quarter you have a relatively higher NPL formation than peers. Is that a temporary development? What is upside risk to your cost of risk guidance for 2026?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Hakan, again, during the Q4, NPL formation growth, I think you mean, one of the peers announced is lower than us. But when you include the collection in terms of net NPL flow, we are better. That's why I'm trying to specifically add the collection performance for our NPL formation. And the upside risk or cost of risk guidance, again, is going to be the rate cut trajectory. If there is a delay in rate cuts and the availability of funding for these SMEs, then we can see an upside risk for cost of risk.

O ne on OpEx guidance. Do you see any upside with your OpEx guidance, especially if there is a strong competition for payroll accounts, as mentioned by one of your competitors?

And for OpEx, I think we have a quite tight guidance below 35%. And on top of this, again, the only thing could impact a much higher inflation than expected, but it's a remote risk, I would say. For the payroll accounts, when we look at the payroll customer base, and we have the highest payroll payment in terms of numbers, and therefore, any competition, we are able to reply back in terms of the data we have. And accordingly, for some of the payroll customer acquisition, we know what customers is bringing what amount of revenue with our strong database, therefore, we are pricing accordingly. We are not pricing in payroll customers in order to get a number or in order to get a customer acquisition.

We are pricing with data available and with the profitability. Therefore, if you see that we are letting go some payroll customers, then it means that this payroll customers is not profitable. Could only be the reason that we will be leaving those payroll customers.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Last question from Hakan Aygün. We have from others, but potential dividend distribution from your earnings, can you elaborate it for us?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Hakan, let's see the regulators' opinion on those. I am not. I don't have the liberty to give any info about that.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

From Thomas: Can you comment on deposit pricing trends? Also recent, I think he looked at the, the sector data, some volatility on the lending rates. How do you see?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thomas, the lending rate volatility is due to loan caps. Some of the banks are making a quick lending activity just at the start of the period, loan cap period. And you see lower rates and higher lending activities. And then, what you see it through at the end of the period, due to filling up the loan growth cap, banks are increasing their prices, and they are selling less in terms of volume. But when you see the available pricing, you see some volatility. This is the main reason behind. For the deposit rates, what we are seeing also for the market is getting closer to policy rate levels due to actions taken by central bank on the macro-prudential measures for the deposit.

But for our case, we are already there in terms of policy rate.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

So one question: What is your guidance on the NPL ratio for 2026? There are lots of components of NPL ratio, so we are providing guidance more on the NPL inflows. But what we can say, it will be definitely lower than 4% levels for 2026. So from Thomas, again, it is great to see AI and tech modernization, but still, branch network is relatively big. How shall we think about future efficiencies from all AI investments if your network remains same size and competitive dynamics would change, would it change, like, Revolut and entrants in Turkey took place?

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thomas, if you don't mind, let us make a separate call specifically for this AI investments we have for the network activities. It could go align hand to hand for a couple of years. But what is important, again, the productivity rather than the first efficiency. And efficiency could follow up. And for the Revolut specific, we can discuss later with you.

Hilal Varol
Head of Investor Relations, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

So one question on the liquidity. Our FX liquidity is around $11 billion, short-term maturing $7.5 billion, total is $15 billion. And you know, $2 billion of the syndication is short term. Also, we have this year 2- and 3-year tranches on the syndications first time. And in total, we have $2.5 billion syndications. No upcoming AT1, Tier 2 capital instruments or senior maturing this year. I think we covered it all. So I'm not seeing any further questions, so I thank you all for joining the call. So you can reach us anytime when you have a question. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Kürşad Keteci
CSO, Yapı ve Kredi Bankası A.Ş.

Thank you. Bye.

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