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Earnings Call: H1 2025

Oct 1, 2024

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

Morning, ladies and gentlemen. It's for me a great privilege to present our results to ourselves. I think everyone by now knows that our headline earnings has grown with 36%, and I don't think there's a lot of companies in South Africa that can say they've grown with 36%. We can be extremely proud of what we've achieved. But if I actually look at the results and where we are, I actually look at the last five years, and we all know we had COVID, and we had a world, recession or uncertainty. But what we've actually done is, in those uncertain times, to really invest. So we've invested close to ZAR 7 billion to make certain that we can grow, we invest for the future, and we've changed our whole business model.

The business model was pure retail banking or personal banking, and then we changed it to a whole financial services company, a company that's actually now really servicing the needs of all our clients. That's what I want to share with yourself today. I think if we look at, in this perspective, what has happened over the last five years, if I look at the economy, twenty nineteen, fairly stable, inflation was low, interest rates were low, and everything was fine. Then, March twenty twenty, all hell broke loose. COVID happened, massive uncertainty. I was chatting to somebody yesterday about COVID, what happened, the decisions we've made, how uncertain you were, et cetera. I think the big thing is, globally, it was very uncertain. Nobody know exactly what's gonna happen.

And then you said the after effects, the aftershocks of COVID. You had massive high inflation, massive high interest rates. You had the Russia and Ukraine war taking place. You had the Middle East taking place, Israel taking place. So there was a massive amount of uncertainty. And then you're looking at this year, and you're really sitting at this year where you start feeling positive. We've got the government of national unity, optimism coming through on what we can achieve in South Africa if we work together and we focus on growth, and we're starting to see inflation coming down. I looked at the producer price index, now at 2%, lowest in many years. That will show us inflation will come down, and we've seen the first cut in interest rates coming down.

So it was an interesting year. I think that graph clearly shows that we are basically back at 2019, but still slightly below 2019. But what have we done? If I look at 2019, we had 12.6 million clients. We had a transactional platform. We basically had our app, EFT transactions, card transactions taking place. Credit, we've had term loans and the credit card. That's all we had. Insurance, we had ourselves with Guardrisk and Sanlam. And then on Save, we had a flexi and a fixed-term savings. That was our business model. Very simplistic, very straightforward. What have we done? If you look at the next slide, you can really understand what we've done in the company in the last five years. If I look at... Suddenly, we've got 23 million clients.

We've got payments, and payments has now got QR payments, it's got PayShap, it's got Capitec Pay, it's got wallet payments, and the whole payment landscape has changed completely. We've brought business banking in. We've rebranded business banking, given new systems, et cetera. Our credit offering is now term loans, credit card access, access facility, purpose loans, a partnership with SA Home Loans. So the credit offering has changed completely. VAS, value-added services, our vouchers, our airtime, our electricity, our whole new model, game plan that's come through. Insurance, we all know by now we've had our own insurance license, and we're busy putting everything onto our own insurance license.

Connect, we suddenly now have got a, we're going in an MVNO with Cell C, and we're actually starting to really make inroads in the mobile space. And then you're sitting with Avafin, our latest acquisition. So really, if you look at what has happened in the landscape, the landscape has changed, and we're offering full value to our client base. How did we accomplish this? Question I think we all need to ask and say, "How did it happen?" I think the first thing we've done is... I know, Wim sitting here in front of me, he always, if I said to him, "We've got legacy systems," he hated that question.

And we really challenged ourselves to say, "What is happening with our systems?" Because all our people were actually building systems instead of building products. So what we've done is said, "Let's go and get the best in class," and you can see what we've done. We brought in AWS. Now, from the first of September, all our data is on AWS. We brought in Amazon Connect, and what is so important with Amazon Connect, it's our telephone system taking over our telephone system, but that is fully integrated with Salesforce, where you can then take and bring in all client history. All conversations taking place with a client is coming into your client history, and we can fully understand our clients. Then you're sitting with Salesforce. We're busy now currently with BaNCS or BSC at retail.

We will be completed by February with migration completely or Microsoft [Product] , and then everything is on SAP. What did that enable? That enabled us to really take our IT people to say, "Here's your core systems that the bank runs on, but then let's go and focus on our products." And I think the one thing that will stand out, if we go through the whole presentation, is the number of product services that we've added to enhance the client needs of our clients. I think the other major important thing is our capability to have data and machine learning and AI to really understand our client. We're sitting with over two point five trillion data points that we can really analyze and really understand our client basis.

And I think the most important thing is we now, on decision-making, we are 80% faster and quicker because we can get our information quicker, and we really can make decisions and be agile, delivering on the client needs. That's the result of the last six months, given what we've done, the products what we've brought in, the way we've diversified. You can see, August 2023, we had a profit of ZAR 4.6 billion-ZAR 4.7 billion, up to ZAR 6.4 billion, so ZAR 1.8 billion higher, a growth of 36%. I think what is quite scary is you've looked at 2019, we made three billion, so we're higher than more than doubled in a five-year period.

and I think we can be proud of, of what we've achieved in that particular space. Where is that coming from? I think there's the income statement. We've excluded Avafin, so this is only as the Capitec that we know. And you can see here, credit impairments is down ZAR 1 billion with 22% or from ZAR 4.7 billion to ZAR 3.7 billion. Remember, last year, August, we had a height of our highest impairments given what we've experienced in the economy. Then our transactional and VAS up 29%, ZAR 2 billion up on our transactional income and on our VAS products. Operating expenses up 24%. As everyone knows, our share price has gone up. Our share price has basically doubled in the last year.

Your share appreciation rates went up, your bonuses has gone up. You will be happy with that. And we've appointed another 600-700 people over this period. Quite scary. Over this period of 12 months, we've appointed another 700 people in the bank, of which the majority is IT and data people. And then the other one is just tax. Now that we've moved away from a cell to our own license, what is happening is on a cell, your tax is actually at the bottom, and with your credit income or with your insurance income, now it's actually moved down. So that's the 35%. And then if you take Avafin into consideration, we're growing with 36%, Avafin contributing just over ZAR 60 million to our bottom line.

So it's a good give you a good feeling of what we have done. I think if I look at our ratios, things that stands out for me, I think the one in the middle top is the big one, annualized credit loss ratio. You can see August 2023, we were at 9.6%. We've dropped that with 2%. If you look at business bank at 1.8% and now, the retail or personal banking at 8.3%, so we quite happy with where we are on the credit cycle. Then the other important one is that your other income, not credit income, is 67%. It averages around about 70% of all our income is now coming from other income, transactional income, VAS, et cetera, et cetera, coming through.

You can see our banking apps up, because that's one where we drive the digital adoption up to 12.4 million clients that's using our app currently, actively. Then our return on equity 29%. As you all know, we're targeting 25%, so we'll have to work a little bit to see how do we get it back to 25%. But I think we can be proud to say it's at 29%. Let's unpack our income statement and see where our income is coming from. I think if you look at personal banking, the contribution of that is ZAR 4.6 billion. That's coming through from personal banking.

Interesting, if you look at VAS in red, it's ZAR 1.1 billion up to ZAR 2 billion, so about ZAR 900 million that's come through from VAS. And you can see what's happening on a transactional income. That's that light blue from ZAR 5.3 billion to ZAR 6.4 billion, about ZAR 1.1 billion coming from our transactional income, and that's coming through from our clients that's actually transacting. Then we're sitting with business banking. You can see how strongly the credit side is growing, as we expected. So we're quite pleased with that, in line with our expectations. And then the transactional side dropping, because remember, their prices were at ZAR 5 transactions.

We dropped it from the first of March to ZAR 1 a transaction, and we've cut, and I'll unpack it later on in the merchant services. We've got a completely new pricing strategy. So that's why they're basically flat on the transactional side. And then our insurance business, contributing just over 1.5 billion to the bottom line. Very strong growth in the funeral space, and then credit, flat or a little bit down in line with what we've done in the credit space. So that gives you a feeling of the contributions. I'm extremely excited about insurance and business banking, that we really can start growing in that particular space going forward. Personal banking. Remember now, I'm just looking at personal banking.

If you look at the 23 million clients, this is 22.8, so you can work out what is business banking client base. I think a couple of things that stands out. The first one is, I always say that 22.8 is our potential, because that's clients that's active, we're earning an income out of it. But the real clients that's adding value to our bottom line is our banking clients, people that deposit their salary with ourselves, and that's moved from 7.5 to 8.5 million, so a million clients has actually joined us in the last year. Then digital. Our total digital offer has grown from 11.7 to 13.7 million clients. You can see that graph going up, growing very strongly.

I think the interesting slide is this slide. What does our clients look like? What is their age brackets and you can see 1.8 million clients is under the age of twenty or nineteen, sorry. 9.6 million clients is between twenty and thirty-five, and then thirty-six to sixty is 9.2 million clients, and then 2.2 million clients is over sixty. What is actually interesting and working last night on the slides, I asked, what is our market share on these different age groups and I think that's the area we need to be extremely proud of, because we're sitting with 8.5% in the young age bracket. But if I look at the twenty to thirty-five, we've got a 53.6% market share.

So if you walk in South Africa and you look at people between 20 and 60, we're roughly sitting with 50% of those people has got a Global One bank account in their pocket. So I think that is, and then if you look at over 60, 'cause that's a market that we didn't focus in the beginning, our focus has always been 20 to 35. You can see what's happened there. We've got a 36% market share in that category. The question now is, again, how do we get them to bank with ourselves and to fully use our full product range? Credit, normally for the last 4 years, when I had to present, I really had to think about credit and how I'm gonna package credit.

This time I've got three or four slides on credit because credit was performing well. Maybe just perspective, if I look at the red line, is what the NCR has done. So that's all the credit providers that provide information to the credit bureaus. You can see 45, 43, 41, basically in the last two, three years. So slightly down, but I would say flattish. But what have we done? We opened up. You can see that 12.4 million we've opened up. We were positive just before the Ukraine-Russia war. We didn't know about the Russia-Ukraine war. They didn't inform us beforehand. So we made the decision to open up, and you can see what we've done then. We've pulled back. And you can see we've pulled back about 28% in the market.

And we put a tremendous amount of focus on the collection side to make certain that we could collect better. We've put in a new collection system, and if I look at reschedules, we brought out new reschedules to really help our clients through this difficult time. The one that we always talk about is debt review. We believe there is a place for debt review, but a lot of people is, are going under debt review that shouldn't go under debt review, and they don't understand the consequences of debt review. We put a tremendous amount of focus on education and pre-delinquency campaigns on it, and you can see at the bottom, we've actually brought rescheduling or alternative treatments into our app, so it's easier for the clients to be treated by ourselves.

We know the client the best, and you can see how the debt review figures has actually come down. There's a clear credit loss ratio. We've said that, when we did the results in February, we want to be at 8.5%, 'cause that's through the cycle. That's what we're aiming for. We came in at 8.3%. And you can see it's starting to stabilize. So we're quite happy with the way we've handled the crisis. We're happy with how agile was, how quickly we moved. And I think we can-- we're fairly happy with the result. What is happening now? Another question that analyst is gonna ask: Are you gonna open up? So here's basically what you can see is the dotted lines.

2023, where our cap out was, how did we provide it, credit? And then you can see 2024. You can see it's, it's about ZAR 300-400 million down. It's that 28% that, that is down. And then you can see. And what we've done now is actually to open up, with August being at 4.5, one of our highest figures ever, because we believe there is opportunities, given what we've seen with inflation, with the government actions taking place. So we're opening up in the credit space. Where is our big focus on credit? Three particular areas or four areas. The first one is on credit card.

We've got about an 8-9% market share, and we believe we need to go to 15%, even 20% market share. You can see we've had a 55% increase over the last two years. Big focus on people over 25, so there will be a big focus for us. How do we actually create better rewards, better credit card, and attracting more clients to use our credit card offer? Then on personal lending, which consists basically of vehicles, building, and education. You can see the very strong growth. We financed now in the last year and a half just close to 890 vehicles that we've financed. We see big opportunities on that.

Education was launched here in about January, February, and the majority of people actually take education loans here in October, November, before they go to. So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens in this coming year. I think the other one that I think is important to note is that we did our Capitec Home Loans through SA Home Loans, a balance sheet of ZAR 3 billion. We've just approved a SPV with SA Home Loans of ZAR 5 billion to enhance our offering in the home loans space. So we believe there's opportunities in the home loan space, and I think that's gonna be exciting, where we can really grow our book in the home loan space.

Then on the digital side, on the app side, and why this is important is for this. Remember that eight and a half million clients that is actually banking with ourselves. We've got all their data. Why do you have to do a credit application? You can just go into an app, we pre-approve you, and you can get your credit whenever you want. So that gives us the capability of optimizing our client base. Net transaction income. I've already said that our net transaction income has grown with ZAR 1.1 billion to ZAR 6.5 billion. But our number one enemy is cash. And why is it our number one enemy? Because when you withdraw ZAR 1,000, I don't know what you've done with the ZAR 1,000.

But the moment you are doing a transaction by swiping, I know exactly where you spend it. And I can really, we can then assist you in making better decisions. What is interesting, if I look at our cash and branch transactions, is now only 11% of all our transactions that we're doing, so in branch and also cash. So it's only 11%. It was 13% a year ago. So a big focus on payments, and if we actually unpack that, you can see what is happening on the cash and the branch side. Only 320 million transactions taking place on the cash and the branch side.

And if you look at our card side, still the biggest, 1.3 billion transactions that's actually taking place in the card space. So card is still predominantly the biggest area. You can see card not present, the red, how that has grown, where people are starting to buy online, and working from that particular area, on. So very strong growth there. And then if I look at the other two areas that we're working very hard on is on PayShap and Pay-to-Cell. Both of them, you enter a cell phone number, and with a cell phone number, you do a payment. Immediately, it's on the EFT rails, so it's not on the card rails, and immediately it's much cheaper, giving value to our clients.

And you can see how strong that has grown, and I think everyone knows with Capitec Pay, the success we've achieved with Capitec Pay, moving close to 100 million transactions on Capitec Pay. If I look at strategic initiatives, I think the nice story where we've grown, you can see on prepaid, prepaid electricity and data, we've grown with 14%. Send Cash, where people can send cash to Pep, Ackermans, Pick n Pay and our branches at ATMs, that's grown 66%. Our voucher business has grown exceptionally, well. And then you can see bulk payments, Lotto and, and Showmax growing. Just interesting, if you look at prepaid data and airtime, we've got now 40% market share, in that space.

So whenever somebody pays for data or prepaid, 40% of those transactions is coming through the Capitec client base. Electricity, 24%. Vehicle license disc renewal is 15%. It's interesting, we got 175,000 people that actually renewed their licenses, and it's so easy. It's 2 clicks, and you've got your license in your hand. And then the one that I'm excited about is DStv Stream. We're launching that in October, where I don't have to buy the whole DStv package. That monthly fee of ZAR 1,000, I can go in and whatever I want. I'm in control. I can pay for what I wanna watch, and I think that's gonna be quite exciting, creating value to our clients. Capitec Connect is quite interesting.

Everyone was saying to us, "What's happening in that space?" You can see now the income has gone up from 4 million ZAR to 69 million ZAR. You can see the strong growth in one year. I think the important thing is what we've done is to increase our product offering. We used to have one gig at 45 ZAR, non-expiry. Now, we've got expiry and non-expiry, and you can see at the different bundles that we've created, where a person can buy data for one day, seven days, 30 days. You can look at those prices, how competitive that pricing is. We're about 30-40% lower than the market. The market loves promotions. We like transparency and simplicity. You see what you get, you know that's what you're getting, and you get the best price overall.

And we've got 1.2 million active SIM users, of which 50% was generating revenue in the last 30 days. This is the graph that I like. A terabyte is 1 million gigabytes. So that gives you the indication, but that still means nothing. That's still petabyte, sorry. That's... This still means nothing to me. So I said to the marketing people, "Give me something that I can work with." And that's when they came out that 5 petabytes is equal to streaming 1.7 million rugby games. So I think we on Saturday we were very close of a big portion of the rugby that was streamed was coming through our data. So I'm excited about Connect and the route that's going.

Remember, we always said the most important thing about that petabytes, the five petabytes, is the data that we've got, that we can again enhance our client offering. Savings strong growth in the savings side, 9%, in line with the market. We've launched in July the seven-day notice product and the thirty-two-day notice product, and we've got ZAR 1.2 billion till the end of August. If I look at September's figure, we were yesterday afternoon at ZAR 2.4 billion. We've basically doubled that number in basically one month. It just puts the client in control, where you can get a higher interest rate, and you've got the ability to give notice in seven days or in thirty-two days.

Insurance, growing our insurance income with 14%, contributing 11% to our total income that's that the group has generated. I think that's a scary number of how many lives have we insured. Just over ZAR 400 billion rand of lives that we actually insured are we covering in South Africa. It's up 25%. And I think if you look at our funeral performance indicators, what we've done in that particular space, if you look at the sum assured, 36% market share in South Africa on sum assured in and funeral. And we're sitting with active policies about three million, but we're covering about 13.6 million lives. It's a scary number, 13.6 million lives in South Africa we cover with our insurance policy.

What is actually interesting that's happening is, on the app side, we always were about 18-19% of sales were through the app. Since we've launched Life, a bigger take up on the app, and you can see our app sales is now at 25% of all sales is taken through the app. Our new product that we've launched in June, our Capitec Life Cover, very simplistic, very straightforward, using all our data that we've got, all our transactional data, our credit data, plus all our funeral data to optimize the client experience and value. What we've done is no annual price increases.

If you've got a cover for ZAR 100,000 or ZAR 200,000 a month, it will stay forever ZAR 200,000, because that covers the rand value that you've taken. You can see, or I'll show you now the cover that we're actually granting. You've got seven simple health questions that you need to ask, and no blood test. So you don't have to be scared of blood. Cover in less than 10 minutes. And then you can just you can decide how it's actually getting paid out. If you go see at how it's actually getting paid out, there's three options. You can have a lump sum getting paid out to yourself. You can have monthly going to your wife or your husband, and then you can also go for your children needs, for their education.

You can decide how you want that money to be paid out. So I think you get a lot of flexibility, where you're in control, where you can actually say how the money must be spent. Interesting, if you're looking at, we've launched it in June. We're sitting close to 40,000 policies. Average premium is ZAR 221, and our average policy sum assured is just over ZAR 500,000 that's coming through, and we've insured ZAR 21 billion. We're very optimistic about this product because we think it's very exciting. It's creating a lot of value, especially if you can combine a life and funeral, and you create it as a one policy.

Business bank. I think the first thing is our dream was always to create a business bank that's completely digital, completely relationship-based, where at any moment, you can phone your banker, and you can either chat to your banker telephonically, or on Teams, or on WhatsApp. You can talk to your banker, but your banker is available, and that's what we've actually created. If I look at our business banking, we've rebranded in March. We've reduced our prices to the same levels as retail, which is unheard of. So whatever a retail client is paying, a business banking is paying. And you can see in August, our loan disbursements was ZAR 1 billion.

We've opened up 69,000 accounts, and our deposit balance has grown with 21% to ZAR 5.2 billion, so very strong growth in the deposit space. If I look at what has happened, I think the first thing I'm gonna elaborate is when we rebranded, new systems not working together. We had a difficult time during March, April, May, with system stability. That's been sorted out. The system is running quite smooth. We've got now a client satisfaction score of 95%, but I think what is quite interesting. If you look at the. If somebody contacts us to open a bank account, we took four hours to respond. So we're down to two hours, and I think we believe we can take it to one hour.

And we open an account for yourself, if it's a sole prop, or private company, the average currently is 37 minutes to open a bank account. Our quickest that we've done was four minutes for a sole prop and seven minutes for a private company. That's also very unheard of, that you can open up a business account within a couple of minutes, depending on your complexity, to provide service. So where we've seen business bank now is actually to start growing and developing it. And to support that growth, what we've done is we started with the merchant side, where...

and acquiring side, where we started and said, "But let's, disrupt, the acquiring side." We've dropped our prices on our Print and Pro machines, to ZAR 19,999 and ZAR 499, from the 1st of September. We said we'll do it to the end of November, but we in all probability is gonna extend that to later. And it's just remarkable because if I look at we've sold 5,000 machines in the first 10 days. We're selling it through remotely and in our branches. And it's interesting, where we used to sell about 700 devices a month, we were averaging about 4,000 to 500 devices a day. And if you look at our our branches, the branches that are doing the best is the branches like [Branch Names] .

It's those rural branches that's done exceptionally well. We've also said, if I look at the commission rate on merchants, has always been very secretive, the commission rate between the banks and the merchant. Nobody knew exactly what that rate is. Typical Capitec, we said we need to be transparent, we need to be simplified. We must make certain the clients understand it. So we've dropped, from the 1st of September, our rates permanently to these rates, and I'm even thinking of actually reducing it even further. And you can see what's happening. I've already spoken about our take-up close to 11,000 merchants in the first month. We've got 30,000 merchants, or we had 30,000 merchants, by end of August, and we're already sitting at 40.

I'm guessing by the end of the year, we'll probably be at about 70-80,000 merchants. The important thing here, again, you're making payments affordable, accessible, and from payment side, then we can score, and we can assist yourself. Then Avafin. If you look at Avafin, when they showed me this map, I said, "We've still got a long way to conquer the world, but we're on our journey." So you can see we've got spots here and there, but that's the first step into where we wanna go. Close to 200,000 active clients. Interesting, their disbursement of EUR 156 million. So multiply that by twenty to get to the real value. Remember, they are still giving predominantly one-month loans at an interest rate of about 30% per month.

Where we were in 2001, 2002, and two, they contributed 8% of the total group interest income. And you can see how it's actually split. Poland is the biggest with roughly about 50%. Spain and Mexico are the other big, with Czech and Latvia still very small. So it's beginning phases. We're very excited. If you look at where we are definitely going is, the board has approved funding for Avafin. We're just waiting for Reserve Bank approval. So we'll start funding them to grow. And then to say, typically what we've done in the Capitec story is: how do you reduce prices, how do you extend the term, and how do you penetrate that particular market?

So we're quite excited about the Avafin story, and where it fits into our long-term strategy. OpEx, because everyone is gonna ask me, what about the 30% OpEx? We normally say around about 15%. Just remember, if you take Avafin out, and you take the share appreciation rights out, then we had a 14% growth, as well as you've got that extra 800 people that we've employed. But it's quite interesting, if you look on our investment again, on the IT expenses, up from ZAR 1.3 billion to ZAR 1.7 billion. So it just shows again what we're doing on the IT side, and then a very big focus on the people side. So I think it's an abnormal situation that we're sitting with a 30% growth.

You've also got Avafin in it. We're very comfortable believing in our future, believing and investing. I think that's the important aspect. Then everyone is gonna ask me: what is the future? What is that looking like, given what is happening in South Africa? I think if we, if we look at the first thing is, where our focus is, how do we optimize the twenty-three million clients? How do we make certain the twenty-three million clients is taking up the full product range that we're offering? What is our internal market share, that we've got with our twenty-three million clients? The second big area that we've really started to work on now is on our ecosystem. How do you bring our twenty-three million clients to our business clients? Because if you really want...

Ask a business person, how does he wanna grow? There's two things: He wants credit, and he wants clients. We've got credit, we've got clients, and we've got the appetite for credit. So it's how do we assist him to actually grow his particular business, and how do you create that ecosystem between business bank and insurance and VAS and personal banking? Then the heart of our business, payments. How do we enhance our payment systems? How do we make it more acceptable? How do you create one button for our payments? And we actually say to the client, which one is the best option for a client to actually pay. He doesn't need to worry about Capitec Pay, QR, wallet.

We create and say to him, "If you choose Capitec Pay, then we will direct you to the best option." So we can make that whole effort seamless and to make certain that we've got that data coming through. Then if I look at where we are in insurance, first of November, which is a month ago, a month away, we need to move away from the Sanlam platform. Then we can really start saying, "Are we really gonna grow the business banking and insurance side?" So that is our focus for next year, is to say: How do we really grow those businesses, supporting those businesses and work those businesses? Then to create a single business platform. I think everyone has probably heard, we've got two banking systems.

We've got the business banking system, and we've got a retail business banking system. We've got a call center for business banking, and we've got a call center for retail. Why do we not have one service platform? In principle, we've approved it. Now it's a matter of going out there and go and deliver on that and making that client experience just so much more seamless. 'Cause if you develop a product, you don't develop it for business banking, and you develop it for retail. You wanna develop one product, and that one product then goes to the full client base. The one that I'm very excited about is data and AI. I see Azaria in front of me. Is how do we actually optimize our data?

How do we create one client domain, that we really understand our client and really add value to our client? How do we understand our client experiences? Because each client has got different experiences and has got different product needs. How do we make certain that we fully understand that and that we create that value, to our clients? So that will be a big focus, especially now that all our data is on AWS. And then the long-term vision is to go build a global brand. I think Capitec is strong enough. So for us, that dream for the next five to ten years is how do we build a global brand, making certain that we take Capitec international? Thank you very much.

Thanks for your contribution, and I'm gonna switch over to questions. Grant, if you can...

Operator

Morning, Gerrie. We've got a few questions on the Jaco Martin asks around Avafin. It represents 9% of net interest income after credit impairments. This is only for four months. Would it be reasonable to imply that for a full twelve-month period next year, Avafin could represent more than a third of net interest income after credit impairments for the group?

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

I'll probably say it will stay at about around about 11%. You can add one month, because remember, you had all the other businesses were six months, this was five. And then what is very important going forward, I'm talking going forward, what are we gonna do with pricing? Because we believe that pricing is too high, and what do we do with funding? And that's gonna have an effect on that contribution, but definitely not a third.

Operator

Great. Thank you, and I think that answers the second question that he asked as well. Then going through to some questions from Charles Russell of SBG. This question is for Grant. Why is there forward-looking macro increased by over ZAR 500 million, when all the macro indicators seem to be improving? And secondly, why is the coverage of loans strengthening when the macro is improving?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec Bank

Okay, thanks, Anton. So if you look at our access facility model, it was always built on what we call through the cycle, which uses a lot of historical data. The term loan model was built on what we call point in time, 12 months historical data, and we've now moved that to a through the cycle model, where we look at much more historical data.

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

Five years.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec Bank

Yeah, five years. So effectively, what happens is, given that we've had, let's say, a 12-month bad history, the through the cycle provision, base provision is lower, but that just transfers into the forward looking. So the provision stays the same, it's just a movement between the two, equal and opposite. So if you take that adjustment out, the provisions actually dropped slightly from August last year, about ZAR 120 million.

Operator

Thanks, Grant. Then we've got a question from-

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec Bank

Sorry, the second question.

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

Credit loss ratio.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec Bank

So if we look at why the coverage has increased, previously, when we used to write a loan off, we looked at two criteria. It was either that a client missed four consecutive payments or when they went into handover, we gave the clients a score, and if it was below a particular level, we wrote you off. Under IFRS 9, we write off a client when there's no reasonable expectation of recovery, and we consistently monitor this. In doing so, we've actually re-removed the handover score piece. So we now allow the true behavior to take place for a client to miss four consecutive payments before we write them off.

What's effectively happened here is it means that we have 1.6 billion additional balances on balance sheet, and these are provided at sort of 96%-97%, and the majority sit within the greater than three-month bucket, and that's really driven, let's say, the increase in coverage.

Operator

Great. Thank you. Question from Peter Cromhout? . Does Capitec have any appetite for acquisitions in support of its growth for business banking and new markets?

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

We've never been an acquisition company. We were always a growing company, growing from ourselves. It was a big debate, are we gonna build or buy in business banking? Then Mercantile came along. So our focus is we've got enough growing opportunities in South Africa and internationally, so I don't see acquisitions as a prime focus for us, but if something comes in that's exciting, we'll definitely look at it.

Operator

Then a question for Grant around: Do we have any plans for bond issuances in the DCM market in the short to medium term?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec Bank

No, we're not looking at any for the remainder of the financial year. We're waiting for the FLAC regulations to be finalized, and then we'll start looking at potential issuance of FLAC.

Operator

And then we've got questions from Ross Krige . Would you mind expanding on the strategy for airtime advances and the size of the opportunity and the progress made?

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

We just launched it. There's a big need for clients to take airtime advances. I think I'm not gonna elaborate on the opportunity. Go and look at MTN and Vodacom's income statements and see what they're doing on airtime advances. These advances is only purely on Capitec Connect, and over time, we'll bring out advances on all suppliers. We believe there's a massive opportunity.

Operator

And then in business banking, what type of clients are we having the most success with, measured by client revenue levels?

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

If you look at the client base on the lending side, is predominantly in the 20 million and higher that's driving the credit side at this stage. We've just started really focusing on the 7.5 and lower. So I think you're gonna see a switch in the next two years to your smaller guys. If I took out merchant loans, merchant loans was normally about 10 million a month. Last month, we've done close to 60 million. So I think that's gonna go up to about 80 million, but it gives you... It's a small base, but it's massive volumes that's gonna come through over time.

Operator

Thanks, Gerry. And then a question from Mark Du Toit of Oystercatcher Investments . When do you see your focus change from South African growth to international growth, and when, in which country or all countries at once?

Gerhardus Fourie
CEO, Capitec Bank

For me, it's not a question of focus. We've got a very good, strong team in Avafin, where we believe what we're doing. We are gonna look at taking four or five of our young people across to learn and to experience what's happening in that particular space. Our predominantly focus, and I've said it always, for the next three to four years is South Africa. We need to optimize strategic initiative, insurance, business banking, et cetera. But we slowly but surely we're gonna start building Avafin. We haven't much said which country, but I think if you look at Poland, Czech, Spain and Mexico, any one of them are very exciting prospects to go into.

Operator

Thank you, Gerrie and Grant. No more questions. Thank you very much.

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