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Earnings Call: H1 2026

Oct 1, 2025

Speaker 5

Innovation driven by purpose. Every bold move is a promise to build trust, provide security, and make a meaningful difference. We ignite growth and opportunity to open doors, to keep our word to South Africa and prove it every day. Through each solution, moment, client interaction, and need met, simplicity is at the core of frictionless solutions that go beyond banking. Providing tools that enable, grow, and protect. Skills that power the next generation. Support that fuels businesses. Partnerships that strengthen communities. Progress you can count on. Inventive, relentless, united by purpose, trusted to create the future right now. Capitec. Purposeful innovation builds trust.

Speaker 3

Please put your hands together for our Group CEO, Graham Lee.

Graham Lee
CEO, Capitec

Thank you, Levit. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. It is a pleasure to be here with you, to share the results of our last six months. It is quite something for me to be standing here. It's been two and a half months since I've had the privilege of being CEO, and I have loved every single minute of it. The reason for that is all of you, every single one of you, all of the 17,000 people in the branches, from the branches to the BSE, from the newest consultant through to our board of directors. Thank you very much for your support for me. Thank you for the excellent work that you've done. Thank you for continuing to strive to be better for our clients. It is more than 20 years since I joined Capitec. In that time, there's a couple of things which have always been true.

We've stayed true to our fundamentals, and we've always put our client first. In the spirit of that, we are now up to 25 million clients. It comes from our personal banking, that's 24.4 million. All of our merchants and core businesses as part of business banking, and the quarter of a million clients contributed by AvaFin, but together, we're now 25 million clients. Despite the huge denominator, we've still grown that by 8%. There are a few exciting segments which have grown even more steeply, and they give me great optimism for the future. They include young clients, so we're doing very well in youth, and also in our clients who are higher income earners, earning more than $50,000. That's up by 24%. Even more importantly, are those clients who use us the most.

Our app clients who go onto our app every single month, every single day even, who buy our digital products. Most importantly, our fully banked clients, up by 11%. That's a really important number because that 38% of our clients contributes roughly three quarters of all of our income. There are two areas which I'm particularly excited about. Those are Capitec Connect and our core business offering, our business solutions to help grow South Africa. If you look at Capitec Connect, that's grown by 76%. I just need to clarify something here. We've changed our definition of an active client from a six-month active definition to a three-month active definition, but both of them grew by pretty much the same rate. We did that to simply be more comparable with the rest of the market. In Global Biz, our Global Biz clients are up by 57%, which is fantastic growth.

Our innovation for our clients has resulted in headline earnings of a 26% increase, ZAR 8 billion. This is balanced through all parts of the business. If you take a very traditional view of a bank's income statement, you look at the net interest income, and that's gone up by 27%. Strong growth in book, strong growth in a healthy book. That is at a credit loss ratio of 7.9%. That's including AvaFin. AvaFin, we're comparing six months this year to four months last year, so the CLR for them has gone up more steeply. If you take AvaFin out, Capitec is at a 6.8% credit loss ratio, which is down from 7% this time last year. If you look at our non-credit part of the business, all of our transactions, Connect, DAS, all put together as non-interest revenue, that's grown by 19%.

That means that of all of our income from operations, 65% comes from business other than credit. Those fintech businesses, what I'm now referring to, strategic initiatives is very much an internal term for ourselves. Looking out there in the world, the businesses that are largely fintech, our fintech, are value-added services, the digital experiences that our clients love so much and use daily, as well as Capitec Connect, that's gone up by 40%. It's incredible growth. Our net insurance income is up by 45%. There are some adjustments that need to be made in order to get a like-for-like growth.

The reason for that is since the transfer of business from ourselves and taking on all of the funeral business onto our own license, there are some movements in the income statement where once the interest, tax, and so forth was netted off in the sell, we now gross them up both in the above the line of the income as well as in the tax. I'll be unpacking that for you a little bit later on. OpEx for the entire group is up by 16%. Excluding AvaFin, it's down. It's a little bit lower. It's at 14%. All of that means that we grew our return on equity to 31%. During the year, beginning of the financial year, we simplified and reduced our fees.

One of the things I'd like you to keep in mind is when considering results, remember that despite the fact that we gave back, not only did we not increase our fees and charges by inflation, we actually reduced them. The net result of that was giving back ZAR 203 million in fees to our clients. Our financial results, the growth is on top of that. Looking at the income statement in detail, there are a few things that I'd like to highlight on the income statement, excluding AvaFin. What you see up on screen right now are the bits just without AvaFin. Looking at the South African credit business, we grew our net interest income by 23%. That's on the back, like I said, of growth in a really healthy book.

Our total net insurance income of 45%, you need to adjust for the sell tax, you need to adjust for the profit sharing from Sanlam, and you need to adjust for the finance charges. That is actually at a normalized rate of 20%. OpEx of South Africa alone is 14%. That taxation line goes up. The reason that goes up is because of that gross out from the sell and the insurance business. The tax comes down there. For the next year or two, it will look a little bit higher. Overall, growth for South Africa is at 25%. AvaFin contributes nicely and lifts our overall earnings to 26% growth. You can see that in the changes to the earnings contribution. If you look back a year to August 2024, our personal banking contributed 49% of the overall income.

AvaFin was only 1%, business banking 3%, and you can see that insurance was 24%, and all of our fintech was around about 23%. In the last year, AvaFin has more than doubled to 2% contribution. Our business banking has also nearly doubled to 5% of the group contribution now, which is fantastic. Insurance at 26% and fintech 26%. The other point that I'd like to make is we continue to grow our physical network. We continue to grow the physical number of branches and our cash distribution, the physical number of our cash devices because our personal bank, all of the clients and distribution and data from that personal bank, they are the launchpad for all of our opportunities. If you take a step back and look from our data, take a view of the South African economy, there are some mixed signals in the broader economy.

There are some concerns about rising retrenchment, particularly in some of those industries that are more affected by international trade policy. This is balanced by optimism. It's balanced by optimism in some of the green shoots that we're seeing in the cooperation between business and government, which is having positive outcomes. However, I'd actually like to stress something far more interesting, which is that with our 24.4 million personal bank clients and the more than 300,000 Global Biz and merchants, we have very rich data about South Africa, about the entire economy. Economic growth for the whole country is not where we want it to be. Some of the indicators are negative, but we have the data to be able to see and take advantage of the opportunities. One that I'd like to share is people earning in the emerging market.

What you see in the graph on the top right is the growth in people. This is our fully banked clients who earn a salary, and we've grown them by 7% compared to those people who are entrepreneurs, who have multiple income, who are hustling. The number of those clients has grown by 15%. On top of that, if you take a like-for-like sample of August last year and August this year, that same set of clients, and look at the growth in their income, salary earners, their income has grown on average by 6%, and that's to be expected. Those same entrepreneurs and hustlers, their income, the inflows into their accounts has grown by 15%, more than double, almost triple. That really is good news. Card machine flows alone to those people have gone up by 26%. Moving on to our launchpad, personal banking.

There's continued diversification in our income streams. There was a time 15 years ago when we were largely a credit business. Now we are so much more than that. Credit income, though, continues to contribute strongly. That's up 24% in the last year. Net transaction income is up 6%. This is net transaction income if you strip out all of the new innovative types of transactions that we're doing through value-added services and Capitec Connect, and they've grown by 40%. That 6% number might seem subdued, but there are a few things that you need to take into account. The first is we reduced fees. That 6% growth, the first adjustment you need to make in order to get a real understanding of what our true growth rate is, is to add back the fees that we reduced it by.

We continue to encourage our clients to move from getting their notifications on SMS, which is a fee-bearing transaction, to an in-app message. It's safer, it's faster, it saves them money, it's good. It's good for our clients. They have continued to migrate. More and more clients are using the send cash functionality because it's slick and useful and cool to do cash transactions for themselves. You see a reduction in the number of clients using their card and more clients using the digital mechanism for getting their cash withdrawal. When you account for all three of those things, our growth in net transaction income is actually 12%, and the growth in volumes is 20%. All of those things are positive for our clients and intended. They're part of our strategy. Digital volumes continue to grow really strongly.

Cash overall, pure cash at the ATM with a card, has grown only by 3%. If you consider that relative to how fast our clients have grown, you can see clearly that cash per client continues to come down. That shifts us towards all forms of digital electronic payments and card. Digital payments, including Capitec Pay, are up by 28%. Card payments have also grown strongly from a big base by 23%. Unpacking that just a little bit more, if you look at physical card alone, that's up by 19%. The dramatic change has come in the use of pay wallets. Apple Pay, Garmin Pay, Samsung Pay, that's gone up by 131% in the last year. Really strong client uptake of a form factor which we know they like very much.

If you look at e-commerce, all of the transactions made to buy something online, including and led by Capitec Pay, that's gone up by 35%. Our pure VAS transactions, buying airtime, electricity, our new advances, vouchers, all manner of those digital transactions, including buying your license, have gone up by 20%. Pure electronic payments are up by 23%. Strong growth across all types of digital payments. I would like to take just a minute to do some marketing. If you are traveling internationally and you do not have a Capitec card, you should get one. We have recently, and recently means from this morning, dropped our international card payment fee for physical card overseas down to zero. We have never charged an FX margin.

Given that our clients in the last six months have done more than ZAR 1 billion of physical transactions overseas, it means that compared to what we would have charged them if we acted the same as all of the other card providers, we've saved our clients ZAR 25 million. Focusing on credit for a little bit, many of you who've known me for a long time know that I spent a large part of my career at Capitec in credit. I did come back into my office a month or two back, and there was a chocolate on my desk with a small sign saying, "My first love is credit." You're right. Credit sales growth. In the personal bank, we've had really strong growth in our loan disbursements. That red line, you can see a clear step change. We're hitting record levels, but we're doing so without taking on additional risk.

What I mean by that is we have not changed our risk appetite. That does not come from us being willing to take on any form of less healthy or worse book. Rather, it comes from excelling in our credit operations, in using our data and our algorithms to better create personalized offers for our clients and messaging for the clients. That's increasing the volume of applications. The actual approval rate has remained stable as our risk appetite has remained stable. Bringing our clients in more through the right messages, serving them in more locations, greater distribution, and doing so more efficiently, that's what's creating the lift. Particularly if you look at clients earning more than ZAR 50,000, really strong growth in that as well. 20% of total sales now, more than ZAR 6 billion to those higher earning clients.

As I've said now several times, that's a healthy book that we're growing at. We've grown our personal bank lending book by ZAR 7.8 billion. In doing so, we've done it in such a way that we've reduced the rolls to default. We've reduced the rolls to debt review, which means that both our coverage ratio, our ECL, as well as the credit loss ratio have both come down exactly as per our plan. Looking at where that credit is coming from, first of all, we've grown really strongly in credit cards. You may have heard in my voice earlier that we are proud of the value that our credit card gives to clients. In addition to that zero currency conversion fee, we don't charge a margin. Every single credit card client gets 1 GB every month, as well as 1% back on all of their spend.

Because of that, we're now attracting more and more clients, including more higher income clients. Purpose lending is contributing beautifully as well. We have improved our distribution. We've signed up more partners. Working closely with those partners, embedding a better experience or providing credit where the clients need it at the point where they need that solution, and then working with them to improve the experience, we have dramatically increased our purpose lending. This is lending for a good purpose. It has a lower cost to the client. It has a lower risk to us. All in all, it's a very good part of the business for us. Clients continue to operate more remotely. They continue to use the app, and they continue to use Capitec Direct. We've seen really good, strong growth there, largely through data-driven messaging, the appropriate message to the client at the appropriate time.

We are adding on more credit solutions. I mentioned earlier that we've had a really big take-up in our credit card from people earning above ZAR 50,000. Those are not the only clients we want to give those fantastic offers to. The free data and the interest back and the no charges, we want to make as accessible as possible to everybody. We have added on an additional credit card to make our Capitec credit card more accessible to a much broader set of the population. It is lower exposure, and it's faster repayment. What that does is it instills discipline and helps people to build a credit score for the future. More than 65,000 of those cards were given in the six months to August. We are also working more closely with our partner SA Home Loans to provide better home loans for our clients.

Since February, we've granted ZAR 720 million, and we are going to extend that partnership into a new special purpose vehicle to give a better offer to our clients in the coming months. All of those entrepreneurs around the country, they don't just transact, they also need credit to grow their businesses. We've been enabling that through our multiple income offer, which has grown very strongly, ZAR 984 million, as well as our new repairs you earn. Understanding the variation in flows that entrepreneurs have throughout a month and being able to provide a collection mechanism suitable for them opens up accessibility to far more clients. Moving on to Capitec Connect, it's very exciting. We are now at 1.1 million clients, and there's a really strong net income contribution of ZAR 165 million. Capitec Connect is not only about contributing to the bottom line.

It's not only about generating revenue, it is to create value for our clients. As we scale, we will continue to drive down prices and give more data as givebacks to reward our clients for good banking behavior. We gave 449 TB back over the course of the last six months, and we have just recently started with a new giveback, which is that if your Capitec Connect SIM is the SIM for your verified number for your banking, with every single purchase, we'll give you 20% extra free. Because of that, we have tripled, more than tripled our usage of data. It's now at 14.9 TB, and you can see on the slide, just for fun, that's 4.3 billion songs. Something else just to be proud of, there was a recent survey done, the South African Telecom Sentiment Index, and we came out top.

I think that is a fantastic tribute to the team. That really is a testament to the fantastic work done by all of the Capitec Connect team. Well done. We've also launched devices. If you go into app right now, you can order any one of 22 devices, and that range will get wider. With that purchase, we will give you free data, and our finance offering is the best in the market. 0% deposit and the lowest finance charge. We are going to change how our people get access to smartphones, and through that, increase the number of people who have them, who use our app, who use our other digital services. There's a virtuous cycle here. Looking at savings, savings continues to be an important barometer of trust in Capitec.

I am very pleased that we've continued to increase our market share strongly, particularly in the access anytime, fixed deposit, and notice accounts. We changed the structure of our interest rates. We changed from a tiered main account to a single flat rate for everybody. We strongly increased our interest on our call and notice and fixed deposits to be much more competitive and to encourage people to be much more deliberate in their savings. Because of that, and you can see on the slide, we are up 31% in those strong long-term purpose accounts. Overall, between our access anytime call, notice deposits, and fixed term plans, it's now 68% of our entire deposit book. This is what we intended. We look forward to growing it even more strongly and encouraging clients to be more purposeful in their savings and earn even higher interest rates.

If you look just at notice, our notice accounts are very popular. The seven-day notice deposit bridges the gap between those who are not able to save at all and those able to save a little. There has been phenomenal growth. It is really enabling a savings culture amongst our clients. Moving on to insurance, we've had 19% growth in the sum assured. A recent survey done by Swiss Re tells us that is 39% of the whole of the South African market. It is ZAR 481 billion in sum assured, and that's 15.8 million lives covered. Since November, 100% of our businesses are on our own license.

We've got a strong focus in insurance on making sure that the three products we have are exceptional, that the client experience the entire way through is the best that it can possibly be, and that's what our focus will remain for the short while. If you move on to life, our new life cover is new, and there's already ZAR 72 billion in sum assured covered. You add those two together, that means the total sum assured for lives covered in South Africa is now over half a trillion rand. One of the things that I like most about our life insurance is the way that we enable the clients, empower the clients to choose how that cover will be used.

We allow them to choose between a lump sum payout, between a monthly income to your dependents to help them manage their monthly needs, and specifically to be paid out into a trust to take care of your children's education and their other needs. What you can see up on that pie chart is the extent, the proportions which our clients are choosing to use those three. Lump sum remains the biggest, but almost half go to that monthly income choice or children's needs. That is very positive. I mentioned at the beginning that you need to normalize growth. There is very strong growth in our financial statements, and that is the true result.

However, to compare with last year, to compare like for like, you need to account for the fact that some of the business, some of the book is transferring out of the cell and to Capitec's own license and all of the new business is on their own license. As that's happening, there's a taxation effect. In the cell, the tax was netted off, and now we gross up the income, and we gross up the tax. We also do the same thing essentially with the investment income that comes out. It becomes more clear. Then there is the additional profit that we earn because prior to the 1st of November, we were sharing 30% of the profit with Sanlam, and since the 1st of November, 100% of the profit accrues to us.

When you take those three things into account, the adjusted result for insurance is a 20% growth, which is excellent. That was for the insurance team, not me. Moving on to business banking, I am excited by everything at Capitec. I really am. What excites me the most is business banking. The reason for that is not just because it's such a big opportunity for growth for us, and it is. It is because this is how we contribute to the growth in South Africa. Because of that, I'm really pleased that a number of our clients has grown so strongly. Our core business banking clients, Global Biz, they're up by 57% to 182,000 now. They come to us for a couple of reasons. They come to us because of better service. They come to us for better credit, and they come to us for simpler, lower fees.

On the better credit side, our gross loans have gone up by 23%. That's a loan book now of ZAR 26 billion, catching up with the personal bank fast. In terms of fees, we've simplified and aligned. No business bank client pays different fees to a retail client. If you do a real-time transaction, they cost you exactly the same as they should. Because of that, ZAR 93 million of the fee giveback has gone to business bank clients in the year. One of the other changes that you'll see is we've become much more efficient in credit across the board. Our intuitive processes are better. In addition to that, our scored credit is getting stronger. Our scored credit is up 109%. That enables us to serve our clients faster, give them an answer quicker, so that they can carry on running their business.

Very recently, we've just landed overdrafts on the app. Our clients can apply, conclude for an overdraft entirely by themselves, self-service on our app. That's going to change things for them, saving them time. Looking ahead, one of the most important parts of our business going forward is enterprise payments. We recognize that this is one of the key enablers for business because collection success is critical to business growth. Because of that, we took all of our businesses in which we help other businesses take a payment: debit order collections, merchant services, the e-commerce pieces. We have put them together into a single division called enterprise payments. If you look at the debit order business, Capitec payment services, we grew by 19% in the year. Capitec Pay ecom has grown by 36%. Moving on to payment taking via card machines, we're up 165% to 85,000 trading merchants.

If you look at the turnover from August this year of ZAR 42.4 billion -ZAR 27.1 billion, you can see just how strong that growth is. This is well spread. This is not a small number of merchants. 85,000 is a broad cross-section of all of the businesses in South Africa that need to take payment by this mechanism. We're winning that business because we have a fantastic machine, but also the lowest merchant commission rates in the country. ZAR 95 million of the reduced fees have gone in lower merchant commissions and a lower price for those point-of-sale devices. One of the things that you can expect us in the future to spend a lot more time on and invest a lot more in is our enterprise payments business. It's key to our success. AvaFin, I mentioned upfront that AvaFin has contributed really nicely.

They've contributed ZAR 121 million to our group earnings in the first six months of this year. They continue to focus on making the credit offer exceptional in the five markets in which we operate. We're staying focused on those five markets, staying focused on online consumer lending, but improving the credit offer and improving the processes to serve those clients. Because of that, we're now up to 250,000 clients and have advanced EUR 303 million worth of credit to those clients in Europe and Mexico. Group OpEx, our strong financial position allows us to accelerate investment in new technologies. Looking at the middle, our investment in technologies and the people required to implement those technologies has gone up by 30%. We brought that forward. We can see all of the value that we create for ourselves and our clients in investing faster there.

In addition to that, by tapping into the world's best, and I'm talking here of the world's best providers of cloud technology, of all forms of AI, including GenAI, we have partnered with the best, and we're able to benefit. Because of that, there's a natural shift from CapEx to OpEx, and you see that in this result. If you look at the increase in salaries, that's gone up by 12% as we continue to invest in our people. All of the other expenses are a pretty muted growth of only 9%. Our continued focus. What are we looking forward to? We're going to continue innovating. Some of those recent innovations include what you see up on screen here. It's in-app calling.

In-app calling is the ability for a client from within their app, when they're making the transaction, when they see the item that they need to ask a question on, pressing a button, and being connected with a human being. It is safer for the client. The client knows for sure that they are talking to us, and we know for sure that they're talking to the client. In addition to that, it saves them money. It saves them airtime. In just the last six months, we've saved our clients ZAR 5 million worth in airtime. It's also a better experience. Calls don't drop. The quality of the call is better. We're able to serve our clients better. Our self-service terminals continue to take load off our service consultants in the branches.

When clients come in and they only need a very quick transaction, they can do it at a self-service terminal, leaving more time for our very important people to serve our clients. That humanness, that serving humans with humans, is actually an advantage. It's a superpower. We're also saving them time with our branch chatbots. We have put available all of the questions that a person normally asks through calling helpdesk. The person in the branch can now ask those questions and have them answered by a branch chatbot. What that does is save them time. It saves them time they would have otherwise spent on the phone, and that's time that the client is with them. In saving our clients' time, we're also serving our customers better. Generative AI, we have done so much here.

I had a fantastic demonstration two days ago on Neo, our fantastic new tool for faster first-time resolution of all client queries, anything that a client needs to ask. We're enabling our branch and our call center staff to use that tool to be able to answer those questions more thoroughly and more quickly. We also have a solution which we use to automate the verification of trust deeds. For those of you who watch Suits, it's called Mike Ross. Through that and the huge uptake of Copilot, we've seen ZAR 95 million in savings. We're saving our people's time. We're not saving our time so that we can reduce the number of people. We're reducing the time so that we can do even more with those people. One of those things is reducing some of the need for automated testing. I said that wrongly.

We still have a very strong need for automated testing, some of the demand on a person to accomplish automated testing. Very roughly speaking, the time it would have taken to put a used test case together and to implement it would have been four and a half hours. Now, using our new home-built tool, it takes less than an hour, a massive saving there, and allows us to focus on what human genius is better for. One of the things that that's better for is protecting our clients. The most important application of all of the new technologies is always going to be protecting our clients. We have over 400 people now working in different parts of the bank in a task force to make sure we're doing everything that we can to protect our clients. That includes implementing new technologies like Graph Database.

What this has done is it has enabled us to identify more and more of the unreported fraud and make connections between the bad actors to shut them down more quickly and more thoroughly. Because of this, we've reduced client losses significantly faster than the rest of the industry. That's according to SABRE. We are contributing to the prosecution of many crime syndicates stealing from people in South Africa. We blocked more than 70,000 mule accounts and saved more than ZAR 200 million for clients that would otherwise have been lost. Some of the innovations include AI warnings that have stopped scam payments where the client felt sure that they wanted to do that thing. We helped them understand they were making a mistake. Feature locks stop people doing things they don't want to do.

We have been first in market with a variety of different innovations, including active call identification and real-time contextual warnings. The specific client sees the message that's relevant to them to help them understand how to protect themselves. Looking forward to the future, what I'm going to show you on this slide is something you'll have seen before. That's important because this is a reminder of the key focus areas that we shared with you in February. We will reinforce our culture, our client-first, highly energized, ownership-taking culture because it's one of getting things done. All bank strategies, largely speaking, look the same. We win because we actually execute, because we get things done, and we do so by working together. That is something that we're going to reinforce.

We will continue with the virtuous cycle of developing the ecosystem, bringing the power of our 24 million personal banking clients together with our businesses and creating a virtuous cycle between them that helps both grow. We will become the leading payment provider in South Africa. As I said earlier, you can expect to see a lot from us on us. We will grow business banking. Growing business banking, we will grow the country around us and grow employment. In order to do that well, we need to be able to serve all of our clients everywhere. That's why we have such a strong focus on our single-service platform, which will enable a business client or retail client to move onto any app, any channel, move in, walk into a branch, call any number, and be served in the same way.

We will continue to invest heavily in making sure that we have the most data, but also that we're best using that data, actually implementing it for creating value for our clients. Finally, AvaFin is fantastic but it's a small step. We are just starting now to craft the strategy to take Capitec global. That is our future. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you to all the 17,000 people who made this happen. Thank you to our clients. Everything starts with you. Thank you to our excellent board of directors and all of the shareholders that they represent. I appreciate your support. Thank you, everyone. Now I'm going to ask Grant Hardy to come and join me on the stage, and we will take some questions from our investors.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Graham. Good morning, Grant. We've got a few questions. The first one is from Sean. He's asking, when will Capitec be launching VAS on its card machines?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Okay, thank you for the question, Sean. That's something we're actively working on and are progressing on. We haven't yet confirmed the exact date, but it is something that we are working very hard on delivering as soon as we possibly can.

Graham Lee
CEO, Capitec

Yeah, our clients can expect to see it early next year.

Speaker 4

Thank you. We have two questions from Charles Russell. First one, can you elaborate on the lower capital adequacy ratio and more specifically the impact on ROE?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Okay, as we've communicated to the market, Basel IV became effective on July 1, and that impacted our capital adequacy ratio. We expected the decrease to be between 3% and 5%, and it's come in within that range. Secondly, we also had to deconsolidate Capitec Inc. This was also required by regulation. From an ROE impact, we still have more than sufficient capital, so it won't change the ultimate dividend policy, so it won't have an impact ultimately on ROE. The dividend payout ratio is, as communicated to the market, 55% for the full year.

Speaker 4

Thank you. A second question from Charles Russell. Can you expand on the strategy to reduce interest expense, which was down 8% despite an 11% increase in deposits?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Thanks, Charles. It was an interesting one because when we actually made the call, we expected to pay clients more interest. We increased the interest rates across our anytime access accounts, so a client can open up to 10 of those, and increased on the notice side. We became market leaders in those areas. The thinking behind it was to provide more value and, let's say, drive more deliberate savings. The migration from the main accounts into these savings pockets has been slower than what we expected. We are still paying 2% on the main accounts, which is 2% more than the market. We'll continue trying to educate clients and really show them the extra interest and value that they can create by moving funds into the anytime access and notice savings deposits.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Grant. Two questions from Ross Krieger from Investec. First one, do you expect to maintain a stable personal banking credit loss ratio for the full year relative to H1?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Yes, it's well within our range, and that's what we expect to see, let's say, going into the second half of the financial year. It does all depend on how the economy plays out, just given that the unsecured lending on the personal banking side is very much determined by what we see and how the economy performs.

Speaker 4

Second question from Ross. With regards to client givebacks in the business banking, do you expect this pricing activity to be fully in the base now, or will H2 2026 also be impacted relative to the prior year?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

This is now fully in the base in terms of the big part coming from the merchants' commission rates. Those were changed from the 1st of September , 2024, so it's now in the base from last year. Yes, it is fully in.

Speaker 4

Thank you. A question from Harry Buerter from Merrill Lynch. In business banking, what has cross-selling been like to merchant customers that Capitec has acquired?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Yeah, for a lot of clients from a business bank perspective, your first entry into business bank would be, let's say, a point-of-sale device. From there, we deposit the funds that you put through the device into a Capitec business bank account. From there, they do start using other services. It is a good entry point for us. They start seeing the value we can provide, the level of service. It is a good cross-selling opportunity and something that we continue to grow and work on.

Speaker 4

Thank you. We've got two questions from Nitin Saigal from Kora Management. First one, he says, this is a question about your first love, Graham. Credit. Grant, what is a good range of through-the-cycle credit loss ratio relative to where you are today?

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

I think you've got to look at it by a business unit. If we go look at retail, we've communicated that we expect retail to run 8% -8 .5%. We're coming in just below there. From a business banking perspective, we're within where we expect to be, at 2.1%. AvaFin is much higher, but we price for that. AvaFin is also where we expect to be given the current loan mix. As we've started to fund AvaFin, what we do want to do is reduce the interest rates and extend the term. You can expect over time that credit loss ratio to come down. Also important on the AvaFin side, we have six months' worth of results in for this year versus four months last year. That does increase the credit loss ratio because you have a six-month charge as it is opposed to a four.

Graham Lee
CEO, Capitec

Can I just add to that? In addition, in business banking, you can expect that longer term, the unsecured lending to small businesses, the CLR will approach that of the personal bank. As the mix changes, the business bank overall will go up. If you, as Grant says, if you split it out in the different types of businesses, they'll remain consistent.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Yeah.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Then one last question from Nitin. Congratulations on your return on equity. How do you think about this champagne problem? Are there any newer areas you are considering investing in, or are you thinking about changing the payout policy in the future?

Graham Lee
CEO, Capitec

Okay. It gives us optionality. At this point in time, we're not looking at changing the payout policy. There are so many opportunities to still grow our business, to deploy our capital, and to grow. One of the ways that we will do that is by using our economies of scale and sharing the benefits of that back to our clients, and that will bring the ROE down a little.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Yeah. Just to add on to that, I mean, you already see some of the givebacks we've given to clients this year. We will continue to challenge ourselves to make sure that we're providing true value to our clients. As Graham says, we've always had the principle of giving back the benefit of scale. We will continue to focus on that. It just gives us optionality to make sure we can continue to provide value to our clients.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Graham. Thank you, Grant. No further questions.

Grant Hardy
CFO, Capitec

Thank you.

Graham Lee
CEO, Capitec

Thank you very much, everyone.

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