Mindspace Business Parks REIT (NSE:MINDSPACE)
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Q1 24/25

Jul 31, 2024

Operator

Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Nitin Garewal. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Nitin Garewal
Assistant General Manager of Finance and Investor Relations, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining Quarter 1 FY 2025 earnings call for Mindspace Business Parks REIT. At this point, we would like to highlight that the management may make certain statements that may be forward-looking in nature. Please be advised that our actual results may differ materially from these statements. We do not guarantee that these statements or results are not obliged to update them at any point of time. I would now like to welcome our CEO, Ramesh Nair, and our CFO, Preeti Chheda. They will first walk you through the business update and the financial performance during the quarter. They will then open the floor to Q&A. I'll now hand over the call to Ramesh. Over to you.

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Thanks, Nitin. Hi, everyone. Good evening to all of you. The Indian office market maintained its strong performance again in Q2 calendar year 2024. At Mindspace REIT, we have delivered one more quarter of strong business performance. With strong market conditions, we are very well positioned for profitable growth in the next few quarters. Also, very happy with the recent announcement in budget for reduction of holding period for LTCG from 36 months to 12 months, putting REITs at par with equity. Other than talking about our recent financial achievements, I would also like to throw some light on the overall market, how we differentiate ourselves from competition on the construction side, and some of our recent ESG achievements. On the market front, I would like to highlight a few IPC insights which I saw recently.

I was looking at the JLL report of last quarter, and it spoke about how gross leasing reached 18.4 million sq ft in Q2 calendar year 2024, which is an increase of 45% year-over-year. The last four consecutive quarters have exceeded the 15 million sq ft mark per quarter in gross leasing volumes, and H1 2024 was the best-ever first half with leasing volumes at 33.5 million sq ft. Again, net absorption is up 37% year-over-year to 10.6 million sq ft for Q2 calendar year 2024. The main sources behind this have been both global and domestic occupiers. The JLL report also said that the previous quarter showcases India's office market strength and potential. The report also stated on how global occupiers favor India for expansion as economic conditions stabilize globally. Separately, a CBRE report spoke about how diversification of demand continues to drive activity.

GCCs remain key occupiers with 41% of the leasing share during the quarter. Strong leasing is expected to continue also in the second half of calendar year 2024. The Knight Frank report spoke about H1 calendar year 2024 being the highest-ever transactions volume recorded at 34.7 million sq ft. Physical occupancy levels have risen consistently across the markets, and conditions being ripe for 2024 to end at a record high. The report also quoted that India remains a rare beacon of growth globally after the pandemic. To conclude, it's been a strong first half of the year, calendar year 2024, for the industry, and IPCs have a positive outlook on the Indian office sector for the second half of calendar year 2024 as well. I'll now talk about our NOI growth numbers.

This will come over the next 3 years-4 years from 2.3 million sq ft of vacant area leasing, of which 1.8 million sq ft is in Airoli, 4.4 million sq ft of under-construction projects, which is the 1.3 million sq ft Building 1 in Madhapur, 1.6 million sq ft Building 8 in Madhapur, 130,000 sq ft Experience Center in Madhapur, 1 million sq ft R2 Building in Pune in Kharadi, 300,000 sq ft data center in Airoli West, and 50,000 sq ft high street in Airoli East. These are all our under-construction projects over the next three to four years. We also have 2.8 million sq ft of future development area, which includes 0.8 million sq ft of mixed-use development in Airoli East, 1.5 million sq ft of new development in Airoli East, which we announced this quarter, and another 500,000 sq ft in Madhapur, Hyderabad.

Even at current market rentals, these will generate NOI in excess of INR 800+ crore, organically over the next 3 years-4 years. Please note that this is a conservative estimate at current market rental, and it can only go up. These don't include mark-to-market and contractual escalations, which will further take NOI up. Any acquisition we make, whether from sponsors or third parties, will drive further growth and expansion. Now, coming to some key announcements regarding new developments of Quarter One of FY 2025. Navi Mumbai, specifically, Airoli sees good demand, be it office space or data centers. To cater to this demand, we announced a new project of 1.5 million sq ft in Mindspace Airoli East. This takes our overall portfolio size to 33.6 million sq ft. What is driving Navi Mumbai demand?

Navi Mumbai has become a favored destination for IT and GCC companies because of the readily available talent pool. Several elements make Navi Mumbai appealing to occupants, whether it's the outstanding connectivity, numerous infrastructure projects like the Trans-Harbour Link, the new airport, the new completed Airoli- Katai Naka Road, a new metro line, and the Kalwa Bridge. I go often to our Airoli projects, and it takes me around 35 minutes-40 minutes from BKC, and it takes around 20 minutes from Godrej Vikhroli to Airoli again. Navi Mumbai again ranks very high in the top three cities in the country in terms of quality of living, in terms of cleanliness, in terms of traffic. Again, one of the best cities in terms of minimal transition.

Also, when we deep dived into the talent hub of Navi Mumbai, we realized in and around Navi Mumbai, there's close to 10 million talent catchment, whether it's BFSI, telecom, media, tech, all available at competitive commercial leasing rates, and also, Navi Mumbai is considered one of the safest cities in India. We expect our vacant space to get leased over the next 1.5 years in Navi Mumbai. We are also seeing Navi Mumbai as a data center hub. Today, 40%-50% of the overall demand for data centers in the country is in Navi Mumbai, and we all know that India is one of the fastest growing data center markets in the world, and Navi Mumbai has evolved as the most preferred micro market in the country for data centers. We have also been very bullish on Madhapur market in Hyderabad and the rentals there.

The reasons are Hyderabad is the second largest tech hub in India. 60% of Hyderabad's leasing over the last four years has come from GCC. The average annual net absorption in Hyderabad over the last five years has been 7.7 million sq ft. This is the second highest in India among any city. Hyderabad also has a very strong GCC presence with more than 180 GCCs, 72% of which are located in Madhapur, where our park is located. Within Hyderabad, the Madhapur HITEC City area is the preferred market with the highest absorption. Madhapur HITEC City is the second largest micro market in India and has the highest rental rates and net absorption share amongst any micro market in Hyderabad again. There is no further land available within the HITEC City Madhapur area for new development.

Mindspace REIT Madhapur Business Park is the largest park in Hyderabad with an occupancy of nearly 97%. Our park has also achieved a 7.6% rental CAGR since listing. We have 100 large occupiers, with 57% of the area leased to GCCs. The range of F&B outlets within our park creates a very dynamic environment for our occupiers. Our new Experience Center, which is going to be ready by mid-next year, will offer a very inclusive ecosystem for all lifestyle needs and is anticipated to be the best in class in the country. We are also unlocking value through strategic redevelopment projects, adding 3 million sq ft more in our Madhapur HITEC City park. On our operating performance, we have achieved strong leasing this quarter with several new leases signed. We leased 1.1 million sq ft during the quarter.

We are pleased to report an increase in our occupancy rate this quarter by 50 basis points to 91.1%, excluding Pocharam. It's important to note that our occupancy increased despite nearly 1 million sq ft of expiries. Our market position remains strong, attracting top-tier tenants due to our strategic locations. Six out of the nine parks have an occupancy rate exceeding 95%. We achieved re-leasing spread of 24% on 1 million sq ft of area relet during Q1 FY 2025. This increased our increased rent to INR 70 per sq ft per month. We also received approval for demarcation of SEZ space of 500,000 sq ft. Total demarcated space now stands at 0.9 million sq ft. Changes in SEZ policy have eased leasing concerns for us in Airoli. We continue to see good demand for converted space in Airoli and are confident of leasing them.

Coming to the financial performance of the quarter, our financial performance has been robust, with revenue and NOI growing by 10.6% and 9.2% year-on-year respectively. We are pleased to announce an increase of 5% in our quarterly distribution, which came in at INR 300 crores or INR 5 per unit. Our strong balance sheet and low debt level provide us with the financial flexibility to pursue growth opportunities. On the development side, projects are progressing well with new office spaces scheduled for timely delivery. Our R2 Building in Kharadi and our Building 8 data center will be ready in Q3 and Q4 of this financial year. Wanted to highlight a few things we do differently on the design and construction side. On the construction side, we are also focusing on design aspects leading to a better client experience.

We are ensuring efficient space planning, better planning of terraces and rooftop areas, better focus on landscape design for better client experience, better interior design of lobbies and other common areas that meet international standards. On the structural side, we are ensuring optimal structural design aligned with internal space planning, use of composite structures. On the MEP front, we are utilizing advanced technologies for STPs. Our HVAC systems have improved chillers, AHUs, and heat recovery units. We have implemented a structured electrical system design, including busbars, LED lighting, chemical earthing, multiple aspects covered there. Our elevators, again, we have enhanced our vertical transportation with increased number, speed, and size of elevators, improved destination control systems. For the facade, we have ensured utilization of fire-rated aluminum composite panels, improved glass quality for better heat gain and insulation, superior facade design.

On the safety and security front, we're implementing advanced technology for better access control and security systems, installing upgraded CCTV and surveillance systems, top-quality fire control systems, and installing centralized building management systems. On the tenant experience side, we have created a separate tenant relations team. The strong tenant retention strategies, which shows the quality of our properties and services have been implemented by this team. We have made investments in technology to enhance tenant experience. We are continuously adding amenities like pharmacies, medical centers, gyms, creches, sports facilities, convenience stores, etc. This is in line with the feedback we keep getting from our clients. We take feedback from clients very seriously. Our arrival experiences have also been improved. Meeting rooms in the lobbies, biophilic designs, enhanced lighting, music, aroma, among other features. We're enhancing rooftop experiences by adding games, jogging tracks, meditation areas, experiential dining, and gardens.

All our upgrades are mindful of four cool features like smart access controls, app-based food ordering, smart elevators, and touchless doors. We're also strengthening workplace experience by introducing more food options and top-notch amenities across all our parks. Several F&B outlets have been added to our parks in the last quarter with plans to add more. We hosted 19 events for the employees of our clients in our park, which were attended by over 35,000 people in the last quarter. We also take disaster management activities very seriously with multiple checks and balances put in place for flood mitigation, safety code compliance, and risk assessment. Our tenant satisfaction levels are high thanks to our dedicated and focused asset management department. Coming to ESG, our commitment to sustainability continues to yield positive results with several certifications achieved. We recently launched our third ESG report.

I'll quickly give some highlights of our ESG achievements. Some of you may remember that last year, some of the things which we achieved. On the environment front, we were the first among REITs to report on BRSR Core parameters with third-party assurance. We have put in better sustainability efforts, which led to 29% of our energy being sourced from renewables. We have also reduced our scope one and scope two emissions by 30%. On social responsibility, we have committed to gender diversity with 37% of the senior management being women. We have also received nine Sword of Honour awards for our outstanding safety practices across all our sites. On governance, we have conducted climate risk assessments across our portfolio to uphold rigorous environmental standards. We have also been issued India's first sustainability-linked bond, raising INR 650 crore from World Bank member IFC to drive sustainable investment practices.

All these strengthen our dedication to sustainability, innovation, and governance. We plan to keep improving our environmental efforts and work closely with tenants, partners, and communities on green projects. I'll conclude by saying as 2024 unfolds, we expect the market to maintain its strong performance, positively impacting the industry and us. We are positive about our growth prospects and are well positioned to make the most of the opportunities. Our commitment remains focused on delivering value to our shareholders. In a summary, four or five points, we are in four key markets. All the markets where we are located, we are in prime locations. Hyderabad and the Madhapur market doing very well. Infrastructure in Navi Mumbai helping us. Rental growth in all markets. Consolidation of the industry helping us. Attendance today in our park stands at 73%. Navi Mumbai advantages of quality, talent, all that which I spoke about.

Inorganic growth opportunities, whether it's in terms of ROFOs, the under-construction projects of the sponsors, landlord shares, and the Pocharam divestment, which we are expected to do. With this, I will now hand over the call to Preeti for the financial updates during the quarter.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Thank you, Ramesh. Good evening, everyone. I'm happy to present our financial performance for the first quarter of FY 2025. We closed the first quarter with healthy revenue from operations of INR 6.2 billion and NOI of INR 5 billion. Revenue and NOI saw strong year-over-year growth of 11% and 9% respectively, driven by rent increase due to new leasing and high MTM realization. Our NOI margin from operations continued to remain steady at 85%. We announced a distribution of INR 2.99 billion, which is about INR 5.04 per unit for the quarter, registering a year-over-year growth of 5%.

Our NDCF for the quarter is guided by the new NDCF framework, which came into effect on 1st April 2024. A part of our distribution for this quarter shall be in form of repayment of SPV debt, as we had guided during the last quarter. Repayment of SPV debt shall not be taxable in the hands of unit holders on receipt, but will be reduced from the cost of acquisition of such units. During the quarter, we raised INR 15 billion through NCDs and commercial papers at the REIT level at an average interest cost of 7.8% PAPM. Given some of the existing debt, which we refinanced was at a relatively lower cost, our average cost of debt has marginally increased to 7.9% PAPM at the end of Q1 FY 2025.

It gives me great pleasure to inform you that we are the first REIT in India to raise funds through sustainability-linked bonds, entirely subscribed by IFC, the private arm of World Bank, at a cost of 7.89% PAPM, with an interest step-down as we achieve our sustainability targets as per the terms of the issuance. We continue to maintain an optimal mix of fixed and variable cost loans with varied maturity and a healthy balance between fundraising from banks and capital markets. Our fixed cost of debt is now about 58% of the total outstanding debt. Our balance sheet remains robust with an LTV of 21.9%. Our net debt as of June 30th, 2024, was approximately INR 65 billion, and we have undrawn committed lines of approximately INR 7.8 billion.

We have progressed well with the demarcation of some of the SEZ spaces at our Airoli Navi Mumbai park as non-processing areas. So far, we have received approval for demarcation of approximately 0.9 million sq ft of SEZ spaces and have applied for demarcation of another 0.4 million sq ft. Demarcation has helped these parks achieve significant lease of vacant spaces. Our aggregate occupancy at Airoli parks is up by 4% since notification of the SEZ norms in December 2023. As Ramesh mentioned, we estimate a healthy growth in NOI over the next 3 years-4 years, largely led by leasing of existing vacant spaces in the portfolio, development of 4.4 million sq ft of area which is currently under construction, as well as 2.8 million sq ft of future development. This NOI growth should aid the growth of our DPU.

Besides the organic growth opportunities, we continue to pursue inorganic growth opportunities in our existing markets, as well as other key office markets for expansion of our portfolio. We continue with efforts to enhance awareness of REITs through various investor education programs. Through the Indian REITs Association, we are also working on policy measures to help the growth of this product. We expect all of these to positively contribute to deepening the market for REITs in India. With this, I hand over the call to the operator to open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the touchtone telephone. If you wish to withdraw yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handset while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. First question is from the line of Mohit Agrawal from IIFL Securities. Please go ahead.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

Yeah, good evening everyone and thanks for the opportunity. I had a few questions. So first, you know, on your gross leasing numbers, I think 1.1 was a great number. What is the outlook now for the full year? Do you think that the current momentum can improve or can sustain? And accordingly, what do you see is the occupancy target by the end of the year?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Thanks, Mohit. So we've definitely been beneficiaries of the improved market conditions. We believe our occupancy numbers which stand today at 91.1% would go closer to a 92.5%-93% kind of a number in the next 12 months. And in another 12 months from then, we expect it to go to the 95% mark. We anticipate that these safety reforms will definitely help us. We have seen that. Quarter-wise, there may be some ups and downs, but overall positive about things looking better at the end of FY25. We're seeing close to 0.7 million sq ft of re-leasing visibility out of the balanced expiry of around 1.3 million sq ft. So this year, our expiry is close to 2 million sq ft. And typically in a year, we have seen that around 70% of that we fill it up either through leasing with existing people or getting people from tenants from outside.

So that's in a nutshell answer to your question, Mohit.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

Yes, but is there a broad gross leasing number target that you keep, let's say, 1 million sq ft every quarter, which would include, let's say, your fresh leasing, re-leasing, and probably pre-leasing as well for under-construction projects?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

So for the REIT, the business plan we have set this year is close to 3 million sq ft of gross leasing. This also includes the Kharadi asset, which will be ready early next year calendar year.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

Okay. Understood. My second question is on your acquisitions, especially ROFO. So you have mentioned in your presentation that you have been saying that it has been deferred due to volatility in the markets. When do you think is the right time to start looking at it? And what is that threshold which will when you will start considering the ROFO acquisitions or third-party acquisitions?

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Hi, Mohit, greeting you. So the reason we deferred was obviously there was volatility in the market, and also we had some tax changes which happened then, and because of this, it reflected on the market prices also. Now we will look at, obviously, once performance is getting better, and also when the spread, I would say, between where we are trading versus our NAV gets a little better, we would start looking at this asset again. We will still, I'm not saying that it will be a long wait. We will start looking at it sooner than later, but we are just waiting for things to just get a little better before we consider restarting our work on the assets.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

So within this year, definitely, you'll be evaluating?

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah, that's our plan that this financial year we will get the asset in.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

Okay. Perfect. And my last question is, Ramesh, in your opening comments, you had mentioned about strong demand from data centers, and especially Navi Mumbai being well positioned for that. So now that you've got good experience in doing data centers and everything points to a very healthy demand outlook, how do you see that from a return perspective between your commercial development and data centers in terms of IRRs? And what is the kind of investments would you want to make considering that you have space to build or you have space to basically to build actually assets there? So what is the vision there?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

So, a good question. Overall, data centers' returns are definitely more than office. The main advantage we have is if we can't consume SEZ in a data center building, given that we have large parks, we can consume it in another building there. Today, from a data center point of view, to our luck, most of the data center demand, like I said, 40%-50% of the data center demand today is in Navi Mumbai. I'm sure you know that the industry is growing at 25% CAGR. We already have 1,300 MW in India, all the drivers around that. The good thing is data centers is, one, most data center deals are built to suit.

Second, data center buildings are low-rise, which is seven-storey to eight-storey. That's the typical data, which means we can complete these data centers quickly. We don't do the interior MEP work for the data centers. That's done by the client who takes us. And because it's built to suit, because we can finish those buildings in half the time for an office building, we also have the advantage of our returns starting quickly. It's not any rocket science to build a data center as such. We need to upgrade; we need to increase our specs, but it's something which we have done, and that's given us a lot of learning. So well suited, given the market, given the construction capability we have to do more data centers within our parks in our Airoli East and West.

Mohit Agrawal
Equity Research Analyst, IIFL Capital Services

Perfect. Thanks a lot. Those were my questions. All the best.

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Thank you. Thanks, Mohit.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Kunal from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Kunal Tayal
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Sure. Thank you. Just two quick questions from my side. Ramesh, firstly, on the demand side, you were noting that it's been quite a few quarters now that the industry has been doing well. One of the bigger thoughts is any of that is also rubbing off, therefore, on the market pricing trend. More broadly, if you could comment on how would you expect the market pricing to behave in the coming 1 or 2 years?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

You meant market pricing, right, Kunal?

Kunal Tayal
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Correct. So the re-leasing spread we can see, but are the market rental rates itself going up?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Okay. So I was looking at some of the IPC data. In 2019, the average rent in India was around INR 81, today it's become around INR 89. So overall, all markets are seeing the benefit from an improved market point of view. We all have spoken about the 40% coming from GCCs, and even within that, tech demand 30%, BFSI 20%, domestic company demand today is 50% in some markets, co-working managed office coming where that industry was non-existent a few years back. Today it's like 14%, 15%.

So I think we are well suited to capture all these demands, Kunal, because moreover, we're focused on upgrades. We're focused on sustainability features. All our modern buildings we are benchmarking with, not just the best in the country, but the best in the world. So market pricing, we can clearly see it. And a market where last year we were doing deals in Hyderabad in the late INR 60s, today we are easily able to do deals at INR 75. And when our new buildings, Building 1 and Building 8, when they come up, I'm sure we're going to be doing deals in the INR 80s there, which will be at least new records in the Hyderabad office market.

Kunal Tayal
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. That's encouraging to know. Just on the gap between the rent commencement and the committed occupancy, it's sort of gone up meaningfully last two quarters. So that's just your function of the exits and the newly sign-ups that you've had, and therefore expect it to normalize sooner than later, or is something else going on there?

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

No, no. I think it's expected to normalize. I think the next two quarters, most of the gaps should have been bridged.

Kunal Tayal
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Before we move to the next question, a reminder to the participants to ask a question. You may press star and one. Next question is from the line of Parvez Qazi from Nuvama Group. Please go ahead.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Hi. Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. So a couple of questions from my side. First, I mean, obviously, we are seeing improved demand in the industry also for you. When do we expect, let's say, occupancy levels in our Mindspace Airoli East asset to, let's say, improve and maybe reach pre-COVID levels of, I mean, let's say, 85%-90% odd?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah, Parvez. Right now we have between both of us around 19 lakh sq ft. We believe we should be able to lease this 19 lakh sq ft in the next 1.5 years. But Parvez, we should also keep in mind when you have a portfolio in Airoli now, let's say, of close to 10 million sq ft between both the parks and us adding newer space, and let's say we end up adding another 2 million sq ft, we're talking 12 million sq ft. There'll always be some amount of churn when you're having a portfolio of this size. So what I would like to believe is from a countrywide portfolio occupancy rate over the next 1.5-2 years, we would like to touch the 95%-96% mark for the overall India portfolio.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Sure. Great. The second question is regarding the new 1.5 million sq ft asset that we plan to develop in Airoli. Now, while you have given the completion timelines for that, what are the possible timelines for the 0.8 million sq ft mixed-use asset that we also plan to develop there? Or will that come, let's say, maybe slightly later only?

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Parvez, that's a good question. The very fact that we're being bullish on Airoli and announcing 1.5 million sq ft is because we believe by then we should be able to lease all the other buildings which are vacant today, and also the 800,000 sq ft. We had announced for that 800,000 sq ft building, we already have a 300,000 sq ft anchor tenant signed up. So we just need to lease the balance 500,000. And we wouldn't have started this 1.5 million sq ft if we weren't confident. The completion timelines for this we've appointed RSP Architects.

They're finishing the concept design. Multiple approval processes are already in place. We're quite confident that with this building, we should be able to capture the Navi Mumbai. So we'll have space in 2025, 2026, and in 2027, 2028, there will be space coming from this building and from building the 800,000 sq ft mixed-use building coming up.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Sure. And last question, what would be our current occupancy levels in our SEZs? All put together, SEZ assets.

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah. If you look at our overall committed occupancy in Airoli East for SEZ space, it's around 79%. Airoli West for the SEZ space, it's around 70% again. Overall, for SEZ occupancy rates today is a little above 85% in the country. For non-SEZ space, occupancy rates are 98%. The answer is 85% and 98% is the total overall occupancy for SEZ and non-SEZ.

Parvez Qazi
Executive Director, Nuvama Group

Sure. Thanks, and all the best.

Ramesh Nair
CEO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Thanks, Parvez.

Operator

Thank you. Participants, to ask a question, you may press star and one. Next question is from the line of Tanveer Sure, an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Tanveer Sure
Private Equity Investor, Wint Wealth

Yeah. Hi, greeting. Actually, I had a question regarding the way we are reporting the distribution. So currently, if I look at my AIS that I get, the tax-free component is also counted as taxable dividend. So I mean, is this some kind of error on the income tax side, or is something not right in the way we are distributing? I'm not sure about that.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

So where are you seeing that taxable?

Tanveer Sure
Private Equity Investor, Wint Wealth

So if you look at your AIS, right, that you get from the income tax department, the AIS that is reported, right? Hello? Yeah. Go ahead, please. Yeah. So at the end of the section, you have all the retail investors that you have invested in, and then you have an entire section on how much is reported by each of the retail investors. Now, it's actually not just for Mindspace. This is across for everyone, okay? So whoever is saying that they have a distribution that has a tax-free component, so the income tax department is not counting that as tax-free. It is still showing it; it is still calculating it as taxable dividend. So that's something that.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah. So, can I suggest you can actually go by Form 64B, which we send across to all the unit holders at the end of the year, clearly classifying how much of distribution is coming under which component. So we'll give you a breakup of how much should be taxed as dividend, how much should be taxed as interest, and so on. Correct. So you can strictly go by that because that will determine the taxability.

Tanveer Sure
Private Equity Investor, Wint Wealth

Okay. Perfect. Yeah.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Actually segregating it that way, but you can go by 64B, which you get from us.

Tanveer Sure
Private Equity Investor, Wint Wealth

Perfect. Okay. Just wanted clarity if you guys were aware about this or if this is something that we should know how to exactly.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah. You can just strictly go as far as taxability of distribution from REITs go, you can strictly go by the 64B classification.

Tanveer Sure
Private Equity Investor, Wint Wealth

Okay. Perfect. Thanks. Thanks, Kunal.

Preeti Chheda
CFO, Mindspace Business Parks REIT

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you.

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