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Earnings Call: H2 2018

Mar 6, 2019

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Full Year 2018 Results Conference Call and Live Webcast. I'm Moira, the Chorus Call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen only mode, and the conference has been recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q and A session. The conference must now be recorded for publication or broadcast.

At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Mr. Philippe Moura, Group CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our analyst conference and the results of the 2018 financial year. I'm pleased to welcome you here today at Money Park's offices in Zurich. I'm going to explain to you why we have chosen this venue when we go into the agenda. Within the next 45 minutes, we would like to give you detailed information on our business development and the key financials of the reporting period.

Following my introduction, our CFO, Paul Norton, will go through the financial figures. Then I would like to give you an update on the implementation of our strategy, Helvetia 2020. After my presentation, Paul Norton and I as well as our Chief Investment Officer, Ralf Ronneker, will be pleased to answer your questions as always. For those of you who are here in Zurich, we have then prepared 2 concrete use cases to show how our strategy is being implemented. Together with Martin Chopp, our Head of Corporate Development Stefan Heitmann, CEO, Money Park and Piero Campopiano, CEO, Smile, we want to present our vision and the current status of the home ecosystem and the innovative offerings of Smile, our own digital insurance company.

That's why we meet here where the business is going on and not in a 5 star hotel as usual.

Speaker 3

Not usually a 5 star.

Speaker 2

On Slide 4, I would like to share with you a brief overview of the main performance indicators. Paul will give you detailed information on the developments of these figures later on. For the 2018 financial year, Helvetia reports pleasing growth in business volume, very good underwriting results in nonlife and a solid profit. In 2018, we achieved the business volume at group level of just over CHF9 1,000,000,000. On a currency adjusted basis, this represents an increase of 3.9%.

The main growth driver was non life business, which achieved almost 6% higher premiums year on year. The European units as well as the market unit, Actae Reinsurance, significantly contributed to this pleasing growth. In Life business, the business volume increased by 2.1% in original currency. This was mainly driven by higher volumes in investment linked products in Switzerland and in Germany and by the Swiss Group Life business. Here, periodic premium in the occupational pension business increased by 4%.

Particularly noteworthy is the development of new business in this area. A significantly large number of customers choose the so called semi autonomous solution from Swisscanto. Those products might give the customers more upside potential regarding the interest yield on their savings. At the same time, those products are much more capital efficient for Helvetia. At CHF431 1,000,000, the IFRS result after tax was above the IFRS result of CHF400 1,000,000 in 20 17, but below the respective underlying earnings of CHF502 1,000,000 in 2017.

The main reason for this was the weaker performance of stock markets, which was reflected in both nonlife and life business. In nonlife business, the quality of the portfolio is very good overall as reflected by the solid net combined ratio of 91%. All segments were able to improve the net combined ratio year on year. I am also pleased with the development of new business in Life. The new business margin remained stable compared to 2017 and stands at 1.7%.

Both in terms of combined ratio and new business margin, we continue to meet our targets for the current strategy period. Helvetia continues to have a solid capital base and a strong dividend capacity. Our strong positioning in combination with our profitable growth strategy creates added value for our shareholders. Due to the robust operating cash production of CHF290 1,000,000, the Board of Directors will propose to this year's shareholders meeting to increase the dividend by CHF1 to CHF24, which gives an attractive dividend yield of 4.2%. Aside from Switzerland, the European entities as well as specialty markets also contribute to the group dividend.

Above all, we are also making good progress in implementing our strategy. I will come back to this later in the second part of my presentation. With that, I would like to hand over to our CFO, Paul Norton, who will now provide you with the most important information about the financial figures.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Philip. Ladies and gentlemen, I would also like to welcome you to our analyst conference today. Within the next 25 minutes, I will give you more detailed information on our financial performance in 2018. I would like to start with Slide 6. We achieved a solid IFRS result of £431,000,000 against underlying earnings of £502,000,000 in 20.17.

As in the first half of the year, the full year result was also impacted by the ongoing bond amortization to Par, which is a pure accounting effect from the 2014 acquisitions. The bond amortizations amounted to $16,400,000 in 20.18 after policyholder participation and tax, and the main reason for the lower results was exceptional volatility in the equity markets at the end of the year. Our Technica results remained very strong indeed. I'd like to turn to Slide 7 with more details on the business areas. In the Non Life business, IFRS earnings amounted to €332,000,000 against €363,000,000 underlying earnings in 2017.

While the technical results improved significantly compared to the previous year, the decrease was mainly driven by a considerably lower investment result. We will have a closer look at the non life profits by source in a few minutes on Slide 10. IFRS earnings of the Life business stood at 148,000,000 dollars In addition to a number of other effects, in particular the impact of lower investment returns, the amortization of bonds I mentioned before had a negative impact of €12,000,000 after tax and policyholder participation. I'll provide you with details on the income streams on Slide 12 later. The result from other activities, which includes the Corporate Centre, the non insurance activities in Market Switzerland, such as Money Park and Defra and Lance, slightly increased compared to 2017.

The rise can mainly be attributed to consolidation effects from the funds allocated to this segment. We will have a more detailed look on the profit sources on Slide 15. Let's turn to the segment results on Slide 8. All segments delivered good results despite the impact of the financial markets. In the Switzerland segment, the IFRS result for 2018 was €321,000,000 This includes a total of €14,000,000 of bond amortization net of the tax and policyholder participation.

In the Non Life business, we achieved a technical result compared to the previous year, which once more underpins the good quality of the portfolio. Investment result, however, was impacted by the weak performance of the stock markets. In the Life business, lower expenses for interest rated, reserve strengthening and lower expenses for policyholder participation only partly compensated for reduced technical result margin after costs and significantly lower gains on investments. The ongoing amortization of bonds to par had additional negative impact of nearly €12,000,000 after tax and policyholder participation. The segment result for Europe, which comprises the market units of Germany, Italy, Spain and Austria, amounted to $117,000,000 against £120,000,000 underlying earnings in 2017.

In Non Life, the improved technical result is offsetting a weaker investment result. In Life, lower expenses for interest related additional reserve strengthening as well as lower expenses for policyholder participation, only partly compensated for a lower technical result and a considerably lower investment result. The segment result for Specialty Markets increased to $35,000,000 The improvement was due to a better technical performance as the last year was affected by nat cat events, e. G. The HIM storms, which more than offset the lower investment result.

The corporate segment includes the corporate functions and group reinsurance, in addition to the financing companies and the holding company. Its slightly improved result of €42,000,000 benefited from positive consolidation effects from the funds allocated to this segment. I will continue with our growth in business volume on Slide 9. In 2018, Hovetze Group achieved a business volume of just over €9,000,000,000 This equates to a currency adjusted increase of 3.9% over the previous year. In the Non Life business, we achieved an increase in premium volume of 5.8% in original currency.

The growth was mainly driven by active reinsurance, where premiums increased by 25.6 percent, in line with our strategy. In addition, the European entities achieved 6.8% higher premiums year on year in original currency, showing growth in all countries and all lines of business. In our Swiss home market, we were able to increase premiums effectively by 2.4% compared to the 0.5% reported growth, which was distorted due to a one off accounting adjustment in 2018. In the Life business, business volume rose by 2.1% in original currency. The increase was mainly driven by a very good development of investment linked products in Individual Life in Switzerland and Germany.

Business volume for Traditional Life Products decreased in line with our strategy. Albertsia also recorded growth in the Group Life business, which can mainly be attributed to Swiss Group Life business, rising by 2.4%. Periodic premium increase of 4% in the Occupational Pension business was satisfactory. Single premiums rose by 0.9%, which shows that we are still pursuing conservative underwriting in the occupational pension business in view of the low interest rate environment. Particularly noteworthy, however, is the development of new business.

In this area, capital efficient products, for example, Swisscanto and Bayfaud G Invest, showed significant growth over the previous year. Now I'd like to look at the profit by sources of the Non Life business on Slide 10. In 2018, the technical result improved significantly over the previous year due to a better claims environment in the second half year and higher volumes. The investment result net, however, decreased by 47% compared to 2017 and was therefore the major driver for the total decrease in net income. While 2017 was an exceptionally good year for the stock markets, in 2018 equities declined significantly.

I would now like to move to the net combined ratio on Slide 11. Group net combined ratio was 91 percent in 2018, which is an exceptionally good level and once again underpins the good quality of our portfolio. It also once more meets our financial strategy target of a net combined ratio below 93%. The claims ratio improved by 1 percentage point to 61.1%. The main reason was a better nat cat ratio.

As I said earlier, if you remember last year, we had quite a significant impact from the hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria as well as a better attritional claims development. Looking at the cost ratio, we were able to reduce the admin cost ratio by 0.4 percent points. The acquisition cost ratio was higher year on year. The increase resulted from opening up new distribution channels and new corporation agreements. On a segment level, systems showed an improved net combined ratio of 82.7%, thanks to better attritional claims development and better runoff.

With 95.1%, Europe also recorded a better net combined ratio compared to 2017. The improvement was also attributable to good attritional loss trends. All European markets achieved combined ratios below 100%. In the Specialty Markets segment, the net combined ratio improved to 96.2 percent driven by a lower claims ratio as the last year was slightly affected by the higher nat cat events. On Slide 12, we'll have a closer look at the Life business.

In 2018, net income for the Life business was €25,000,000 below the prior year's figures. Looking at the profit by sources, the margin after costs decreased. First, it should be positively emphasized that the fee result increased compared to 2017, albeit at a low level. All other profit sources, however, declined. The decrease in the savings result was driven predominantly by Swiss Group Life Business as the mandatory interest rate for retirement assets remained unchanged while market yields declined.

The lower risk result was also mainly resulted from Swiss Group Life Business as a consequence of a poor mortality result in the first half year. In addition, we had a positive one off effect in Individual Life in Switzerland in the previous year arising from the National Swiss integration. The other result was impacted by fluctuations in the valuation of options for investment linked products. Of the lifetime of the products, these fluctuations will even themselves out. It should also be emphasized that in the savings result, this is where the amortization of the bonds comes through.

So you can see a minus €14,000,000 effectively out of the minus €60,000,000 which will impact that effect impact that result. The gains and losses decreased due to the poor stock market performance. The extraordinary result was affected by the following effects: As a result of the persistent low interest rate environment, additional interest rate related reserve strengthening was necessary in Switzerland and in Europe, although on a lower level compared to the prior year. In Switzerland, the necessary reserve strengthening could be financed by the ending of the industry wide Torungsrand, which resulted in a one off release. The excess reserve release not utilized to finance the reserve strengthening had to be allocated to the policyholder participation funds.

Expenses for policyholder participation were lower in both Switzerland and Europe, mainly due to reduced investment result. The 2 aforementioned factors had a compensating effect on the net income. I would now like to switch to new business, which has developed very positively, as you can see from Slide 13. New business is developing well. The new business margin remained broadly stable compared to 2017 at 1.7%.

In 2017, it was 1.8%, despite having had to adjust the risk discount rate due to higher capital market expectations, which resulted in a reduction of the EBITDA margin. However, product measures and improved assumptions on the future development of new business largely offset the impact of discount rate adjustments. We also made further progress in shifting from traditional savings products with interest rate guarantees to modern capital light products. At 1.7%, the new business margin is also above our target set within the Helvetica 2020 strategy. I would now like to continue with the development of the interest margin on Slide 14.

Direct yield in Switzerland and the EU countries declined compared to last year because of low interest rates. In Switzerland, the interest margin went down when comparing 2018 with 2017. This is attributable to the following reasons: The direct yield decreased on the one hand because U. S. Bonds with higher coupons but also higher hedging costs were replaced with eurobonds with lower coupons, but also lower hedging costs.

As hedging costs are not included in current income and are therefore not considered when calculating the direct yield, this shift had a negative effect on the numbers shown, although not economically. The average technical rate, I. E, the rate that we need to earn, also declined. The main drivers here were the successful revision of our traditional product portfolio and the focused sales of modern Capital Light Products, maturing insurance contracts with high guaranteed rates was replaced by modern capital light products and finally, additional reserve strengthening. However, as the direct yield declined at a faster rate than the average technical rate, the interest margin went down.

In Europe, the interest margin shows an increase from 0 point 4 9% in 2017 to 0.59% in the current year. Here, we see a sharp drop in the average interest rate Helvetsi has generated in order to meet its obligations due to additional reserve strengthening and new contracts with lower guarantees replacing old ones with a higher guarantee. As the average technical rate was dropping faster than direct yield, the interest margin improved. On a group level, the interest rate the interest margin remained more or less stable. On the following slide, I want to provide you with details on the profit for other activities.

If we look at the profit by sources, the net technical result in group reinsurance decreased, resulting from a few large loss events in Europe, due to group insurance, group reinsurance. Investment and FX result was higher year on year due to a positive consolidation effect from our own investment funds. The costs and other results declined slightly. This can be attributed to planned investments in the new brand image and marketing campaign and business transformation activities, which are in line with our strategy. Slightly higher financing costs resulted from higher interest expense for our Eurobond.

As the bond was issued in March 2017, interest expenses were only included for 9 months in 2017 compared to the full year in 2018. If you look at Slide 16 on investments, we can see that current income of 987,000,000 dollars remained at prior year's level despite the persistency low interest rates. Realized and book losses amounted to €193,000,000 mainly reflecting weak equity markets. The group investment result recognized in the income statement, therefore stood at $794,000,000 Unrealized gains and losses recorded in equity decreased by 639,000,000 due to weak performance by equity markets, higher interest rates in the U. S.

And higher credit spreads. Total investment performance, therefore, was 0.3%. As a result of the development of the capital markets, investments in market risk for the polyselder decreased by €216,000,000 On Slide 17, you can see the investment result broken down by asset class. The first table shows the performance of the total investment portfolio. About twothree of the current income of €987,000,000 came from bonds and mortgages, which contributed €537,000,000 €86,000,000 respectively, in absolute terms.

Dividends accounted for 75,000,000 and investment property for 243,000,000 Realized and booked losses on investments amounted to 193,000,000 reflecting weak equity markets. As already mentioned, unrealized gains and losses decreased by €639,000,000 euros The lower half of the slide shows return on new and reinvestments. In 2018, the total new or reinvestments amounted to €4,800,000,000 Almost 85% of the funds were allocated in euro and Swiss franc fixed income securities, the remainder mortgages, equities and real estate. Due to increased hedging costs for investments in U. S.

Dollars as a result of higher interest rates, the portfolio was partially relocated reallocated to reduce the weight of the American currency. The average return on new investments totaled 1.5%. On Slide 18, I'd like to provide you with some details on the SST ratio. As you can see on that slide, we have revised our target range formally 140% to 180% to a new 180% to 240%. We will publish the definitive SST ratio as of 1st January 2019 with the disclosure of the financial condition report, the so called Bufalo British Deputy Finance Lager at the end of April.

But I can already state today that the ratio as of 1st January was above 200%. The new SST models that have been introduced in 2019 will have no negative impact on the SST ratio overall. They differ in some important structural elements from our old internal models. Therefore, we assume them to be more volatile, in particular with respect to increases in credit spreads. The higher volatility, however, is reflected in the adjusted SST target range.

The resilience of our capitalization will remain unchanged. We expect capital coverage to increase and our SST ratio to remain comfortably within the revised SST target range. Slide 19 is the dividend per share. With regards to dividend, our strategy, as I'm sure you're aware, is to increase dividend year on year. Thus, the Board of Directors will propose to shareholders' meeting to raise the dividend to CHF 24 per share.

This corresponds to a dividend payout ratio of 58% based on the IFRS result, which is above our target ratio of 40% to 50%. The dividend yield is what we believe an attractive 4.2%. On the next slide, you'll see that dividend is fully covered by our strong cash production, which means it is financed out of the operating business. We'll look at Slide 20. However, it's here passes virtually all operating cash production its subsidiaries generate right through to its shareholders.

We have the advantage that many of our foreign operations are branches of Halvetsi Insurance Company, St Gallen, which makes capital very fungible. All operating companies are subsidiaries of Hovetz Insurance Company. It receives cash remitted by the entities and passes the part designated as dividends for our external shareholders onto Helvetia Holding, which pays dividends out. You can see that on an IFRS basis, the individual market units remitted substantial proportion of their IFRS earnings to the group. I'd like to finish my presentation with our new disclosure on the net economic dividend capacity on Slide 21.

On this slide, we show you for the first time what we call the net economic dividend capacity, the NEDC. This number reflects free available capital at the balance sheet date that can be used for dividends or growth purposes. The NEDC is the free capital available to be dividened out to shareholders. It is primarily defined by local statutory accounting distribute to equity on a legal entity by legal entity basis. I would like to emphasize here that the group IFRS Equity and Group SST Surplus and to some extent individual market unit solvency services are virtually irrelevant in the calculation of what can or cannot be paid as dividends by the group.

This is because these metrics include nondistributable valuation gains, other similar items and the defining factor of the dividend capacity is usually local statutory distributable equity at each legal entity. The NEDC is determined by the available free local equity, net of dividends and other capital effects, such as capital decreases or increases our available free tied assets over insurance technical liabilities, including a small security buffer in legal entities where such tied asset requirements still formally exist or are required by the prudent personal principle, surpluses defined by local solvency requirements, I. E, SST in Switzerland or Solvency II in Europe at each individual legal entity level. Group considerations such as group SST and S and P rating only play a minor role. And finally, our own capital buffers on top of SST and Solvency II requirements in order to balance volatility of owned funds or acquired capital, e.

G, from investments as well as additional buffers, e. G, to fund growth or to reflect restrictions in transferability of funds. Please note that on this slide, we discuss ADDC for the 2017 financial year. The starting basis for calculating this figure is, as you can see, SST risk bearing capital. 2018 numbers will therefore only be available when the brief hold is published in April.

We'll give you an update on this figure with our brief hold presentation that will be available on our website at the end of April. However, we can broadly say that we have approximately CHF 500,000,000 of additional dividend capacity above the dividend we're going to pay out this year, and we're continuously looking to optimize this capacity. And on that note, I will now hand back to Philippe Guimira.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Paul. Ladies and gentlemen, let me add a word to our share. Its price in absolute numbers is rather high. The Board of Directors will propose to the Annual General Meeting of our shareholders to split our shares by 1 to 5. Thus, we want to make sure that Helvetia remains an attractive investment, not only for institutional shareholders, but also for private persons.

Now in the last part of the presentation, I would briefly like to share with you what we have already achieved last year with regard to our strategy implementation. I start on Slide 23. With our strategy Helvetia 2020, we aim to create value for our key stakeholder groups, customers, employees and shareholders. We are achieving this by strengthening our core business, expanding and tapping into new sources of revenues as well as promoting targeted innovations. As you can see on this slide, we have made good progress in strategy implementation, both in Switzerland and Europe.

We successfully strengthened our core business by launching new simple products that are tailored to the needs of our customers. I am thinking in particular of cyber insurance coverage, which we have introduced both in Switzerland and in Germany or our own fund products in Switzerland, which now enable our clients to benefit from our long standing investment expertise. In the sales area, we have further expanded the B2B2C channel. Via Insmo, specialist dealers can quickly and easily offer suitable insurance coverage for their products in Switzerland. In Italy, we successfully expanded our bank distribution channel.

Finally, in Spain, we are cooperating with a broker specializing in motorcycle insurance since 2018, covering around 10% of the Spanish market. In addition, both in Switzerland and in Europe, our customers are benefiting from simplifications in claims handling due to a higher level of automation. In Switzerland, for example, damage to buildings may be handled very efficiently via an online tradesman platform. Furthermore, we are tapping into new sources of income with Smile, the leading Swiss online insurer. At the end of 2018, Smile launched the 1st completely digitalized death insurance in Switzerland, which can be concluded online with just a few clicks and without the signature before your own death, of course.

In addition, we have further expanded our home ecosystem. With the start ups, BriceHubble and Immoleto, we brought in 2 additional partners. We will provide you with detailed information on Smile and the home ecosystem during the showcase presentations later on. Finally, we also use new innovative forms of interaction with customers in a targeted manner. For example, in Switzerland, bicycle sets can be easily reported via chatbot.

In Spain, a chatbot acts as a virtual insurance assistant for the sale of burial insurance policies. These examples demonstrate that we are successfully implementing our brand promise, simple, clear, Helvetia. Slide 24 demonstrates that we are well on track to reach our financial targets. We are pleased with the development of the individual financial targets shown here on the right hand side of the slide. With regards to the business volume of CHF 10,000,000,000 I would like to reiterate that this is not a fixed goal, but an ambition.

Our organic growth is proceeding according to plan. In order to achieve the €10,000,000,000 ambition, we would also have to grow through M and A, which is difficult to plan in advance and depends on targets being available in the market. Overall, we are happy with what we have achieved so far, and we are confident that we are well prepared to remain fit for the future. This brings us to the end of the presentation. For the participants on the phone, a presentation of the showcases and 2 interviews with Stefan Heitmann and with Giarangelo Campopiano will be available on the website as of this afternoon.

My colleagues and I would now be pleased to answer your questions. I suggest that we start with the questions of the participants on the phone and then turn over to the participants in the room. Please go

Speaker 1

on. The first question is from Peter Eliot from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much. The first one was on solvency, and I appreciate the sort of qualitative guidance you gave us Paul. I'm just wondering if you can give any sort of closer guide to how the ratio may be compared to that of last year? And specifically, given your comments on volatility, how the sensitivity to spreads compares to last year? I mean that was 17 percentage points for 50 basis point move that you reported before.

I'm just wondering how that's changed under the new models and whether there's anything that you can do in that in terms of sort of investment strategy or other management actions to limit that sensitivity if it has grown a lot. The second one was on the Life top line. I mean, that was some very impressive growth in that. I mean, on Life, I think the top line grew 10% in H2 in isolation. I'm just wondering if you could just delve a little bit deeper into the drivers of that and whether there was anything in those numbers already from any business you might be getting from the actions of one of the market leaders recently?

And then maybe finally, just on cash. The I guess the remittance ratio for non life, 52%. I'm just wondering whether that can be increased at all. I guess, compared with some of your non life peers, maybe it looks like there could be some upside. And at group level, I'm just checking basically from the €290,000,000 we need to take off financing costs.

If I do that, I get not very far off the dividend. I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything there. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Peter. I ask Paul to answer questions number 1 with regard to solvency and 3 with regard to cash remittance. And I then turn to question number 2.

Speaker 3

Paul? I'll give you some just a couple of broad comments on the solvency. I think we should wait until the BUFFO will come out when we have a full presentation which explains that. With the new models, we have more deterministic modeling in there and much more shorter term modeling because they're using a runoff approach, as you probably aware, that Timar insisted on. So that has an impact.

There probably will be more effect from spreads, clearly more sensitivity to spreads. But at the moment, I don't want to quantify that. I think I'd appreciate if you waited until April, we give you some full details. On the cash, yes, we are constantly looking to optimize the cash returns. I think we are reasonably conservative.

We don't want to certainly with the 1st year's disclosures be too aggressive. The as I said, the really defining feature is local strategy. And so IFRS in itself is not a good guide, but clearly can be optimized and we're working on that. In terms of the financing costs, I'm not sure what you mean there. I mean basically, we pass through virtually everything of the cash that we receive from the operating units up to the holding, which then goes straight out to the policy to the shareholders.

Speaker 4

Okay. I guess I just want to check the €290,000,000 basically it's fully available for distribution then? Yes. Right. We're still looking for Yes.

Speaker 3

€290,000,000 is fully available for distribution, no question there. Yes. Perfect.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Now regarding the development of our life premiums. As you see, we have an increase of our group life premiums by slightly 1%, talking about single life premiums. That means customers which changed their provider and came to Helvetia and roughly 4% of our periodic premiums. What does that indicate? That indicates that we are still very cautious in underwriting new risks, looking carefully at our capital position in the Group Life business and our at our profitability.

However, it also indicates that with an increase of 4% in periodic premiums, we have a portfolio in the Group Life business, which is in good shape. We have underwritten firms, which have no problems with layoffs, for instance, of their employees. So it's a really good portfolio. Now you might have talked about a main competitor in Group Life business, AXA, which decided to give up the full coverage of their pension system coverage in Group Life Business. The numbers and the contracts we got from AXA are not yet visible in the 2018 numbers.

And I can tell you today that, of course, we benefited from the move of AXA. But at the same time, we are still very cautious, and we used to be very cautious in underwriting new businesses, whether they come from AXA or other competitors. We have benefited, but we were not very aggressively underwriting new contracts. And we will tell you and show you those numbers in due time.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much. I had a couple of other questions, but I'll be patient and rejoin the queue in case of time after the ones in the room. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Other questions on the phone?

Speaker 1

The next question is from Jonny Urwin from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Good results today. So firstly, I guess, just what's the message you're trying to send here on dividends by disclosing the net economic dividend capacity? That looks strong.

But I guess on stat earnings, which is the binding constraint, the coverage is going to be lower. So could you just tell us what the coverage is on stat earnings? So I guess, are you trying to say that continued gradual dividend growth is well underpinned? Or are you trying to say signal that there could be a sort of step up in the payout ratio? So that's question number 1.

Question number 2, could you elaborate a little more on what your priorities might be to manage the FST if you are in the fortunate position that the FST ratio rises above 2.40%. Thank you. That's great.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Johnny. I ask Paul to answer those two questions with regard to dividend coverage payout ratio and the luxury problem of an SSP of above 2 40 percent?

Speaker 3

We haven't given the statutory coverage ratio because the complexities are dealing with lots of different statutory accounting. I mean, you asked what the message is. The message is that we have several messages. The first thing is we've been criticized in the past from you, I think, Johnny, in particular, that we haven't given enough disclosure on what our dividend capacity is and how we manage the capital. And so we clearly said, look, this is how we manage the capital.

We have to do it from a bottom up. We bring it together. So now you understand a framework, hopefully. The second message is it is clearly defined to a large extent by the statutory accounting, but there are other elements too. The third message is, look, we finance our dividend every year through the cash production generated each year, but we have additional capacity.

We have roughly 2 years' dividend capacity in excess of what we pay out, which we could pay. So the message is what is our policy? Our policy is the 4th one. The message is we will continue to increase the dividend gradually. You have a certain amount of satisfaction that we have capacity to do that.

We're not stretching ourselves. And the last message is we are optimizing that capacity, and there could be some time, but we consider that we can increase the dividends at a higher rate? We have a relatively shallow path upwards, and we could increase the steepness. We've mentioned several times before over the years, we do not believe in share buybacks. We do not believe in huge dividend payments out in 1 year only to find that we then can't pay dividends out in the following year.

So we're looking for a longer medium to longer term dividend capacity. And I repeat the message is that clearly exists and is clearly potential to optimize that. In terms of managing the SST, if it gets to that luxury position of over 2 40%, I'd like to repeat and repeat again. I think people seem to think that it automatically involves a payment out of cash, dividends. The connection between SST and dividends is extremely low.

It may be the result. If there was the case that we could persistently see that our dividend of SST ratio was persistently over 2 40% and it was not due to what I call mathematical fluff, which the regulators and actuaries and risk managers dream up, but it was real hard equity, then clearly, we would consider an increased dividend. If it's due to pure modeling, there's not a lot we can do. I say modeling is not just in our hands, it's out of our hands mainly. If it's due to a business profile, then clearly we can also consider changing the business profile.

But it's also a very remote situation, I think, that we would have persistently high, SST ratios over 2

Speaker 5

40%. Yes. So thanks for that. Fair enough. And thank you for the disclosures and the sort of enhanced capital management framework.

You're right, I have been critical in the past, so that's much, much appreciated. I guess just on the message on the dividends, that's very clear. And I mean that is a good message. I think that's what the market has been looking for. But the missing piece in the puzzle is what is the headroom on stat earnings?

And so I guess any disclosure or No, I don't recall

Speaker 3

that. That's in the diagram on slide where it is. We show it. It's the €500,000,000 capacity.

Speaker 5

Okay. Fine. All right. Great. Thanks very much.

Thanks,

Speaker 2

Paul. More questions? There's one more question on the phone.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Kevin Ryan from Bloomberg Intelligence. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Morning. Thank you for taking my question. I'd just like to explore a little more about your business volume targets. Do you have any particular focus on either general insurance or life for boosting the volume. And could you explain a little bit about how you think about trying to improve margins on the business you've got?

These are the buying in something that you might not be familiar with and pushing those margins along? Thank you.

Speaker 2

You see, as we tell again and again, we do not have a hard, tough volume target. The €10,000,000,000 ambition indicates that we want to be an active player on the insurance market. And playing an active role means that we have to take into account how are we able to grow our business because it is important in our position that we grow our businesses, be it in Switzerland, in the home market and more important, of course, in our European units where we have relatively small positions. Now when we are looking at portfolios we would like to grow, then of course, we take into account their profitability. And if we have a look at our profitability, the P and C business, of course, is the most profitable business.

However, in Switzerland, it's a saturated market. So it is already a very important task to keep our good margins in Switzerland. Life, on the other side, might be not as profitable as P and C. It's not as capital efficient, but it's an area where we can realize growth throughout our country markets. That's why we changed our life portfolio from pretty traditional, very capital intensive products to rather modern, capital efficient product lines.

And as you can see in our 2018 numbers, we did all that pretty successfully. We realized growth in nonlife throughout our European countries, and we realized growth in life business in the modern nontraditional new product lines. And our hard targets for Helvetia 2020 remain combined ratio below 93. We are standing at 91. And the new business margin of above 1%, we are standing at 1.7%.

So all that demonstrates that we are well on track steering our different portfolios, be it in life or non life.

Speaker 6

Brilliant. Very clear. Thank

Speaker 2

you. If there are no more questions on the phone, I now ask the financial analysts in the room to ask their questions. The first question comes from Deutsche Bank from Simon sorry, Frank Kopfinger.

Speaker 7

It's Frank Kopfinger, Deutsche Bank. My first question is on the current income on the investment side. You said that or you pointed out it was stable. However, as we have now a lower yield environment, would you expect that investment income, the regular income is further coming down? Or was this really to the bottom now?

And then secondly, on your risk side within the Life business, it was down by 4%. You pointed out that there was a poor mortality experience. How disappointed were you given also the fact that you are growing the book and despite you had this weaker risk result?

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks. I first ask Ralf Honecker, our Chief Investment Officer, to answer the question regarding the current income and then Paul to answer the second question with regards to the Life business.

Speaker 3

Okay. I mean, there is still some room for due to interest rates, that the result is coming down a little bit more. I mean, we have seen for the last years always about 0.1. And obviously, there's still higher yielding papers that are coming back that elapse. And obviously, the new investment rate around 1.5%, which I believe should be stable.

So a little bit further down. Going to the Life result. The risk result, there was a one off positive effect in the prior year, which came from the integration of a National Suisse portfolio. So that should be taken into consideration. In the first half of the year, the risk result was considerably worse, and that was due to some one off events, really just one loss, couple of losses, particularly high value losses, and that has stabilized out.

So in fact, actually, when you look at it, it's probably pretty much stable.

Speaker 2

More questions in the room? Rene Lacher from MainFirst.

Speaker 8

MainFirst, yes. It's Rene Lacher, MainFirst. So just with a big picture question. This morning when I saw this €431,000,000 net profit, I thought to myself, when equity marks are going back to normal, we should see quite a strong result in 2019, yes. And so perhaps you can just comment a little bit any one offs in the technical results?

Or is that just that with the turn in equity market, we should see a substantially higher net profit in 2019? And then just a follow-up here on Slide 12. I see these extraordinary results, just a confirmation. So these are mainly reserve releases and reserve strengthening, right? And perhaps very quickly, I guess, Peter Eliot will ask again.

Nevertheless, on the cash generation, I fully agree with Pete that this non life, this 52%, some of your peers here in Switzerland, they have a cash out of the non life IFRS result, which is 80%, 90%. And then on the life, it's a little bit lower than you know. So I'm just wondering, is there something special within the Helvetia setup? And if I may, the last question. Here again, big picture.

I guess on Slide 6, you show sensitivities to the SST. Here again, very interesting to see that the credit spreads. And I have discussed this now with a few insurance managers. And I believe that FINMA is looking a bit from the wrong angle because at the end of the day, if you don't have defaults in your bond portfolio, it's just accounting gimmicks. So that means you are losing value on your corporate bond portfolio.

But when you get €100,000,000 back and maturity, nothing else than accounting. Okay. So I'm wondering a little bit where is always this big discussion about then the ST ratio and credit spreads.

Speaker 2

Okay. Is that I mean, you were going back and forward between assumptions and questions. I will now ask Paul the issue with the equity markets and are there any one offs in the technical result? And then the cash production and remittance topic. And third, the question with regard to the SST and accounting issues?

The

Speaker 3

extraordinary result, yes. Maybe I can take the assumptions first, Phil. Yes, the SST, the credit risks, the spreads, whatever they are, you're looking at a mark to market, which is a point landing point view. It's not over a period of time. So and that's the Finmar approach.

Instead of the other solvency models, they say, fine, if the markets go up and down, then it will go straight through into the SST. And you're right, assuming that the company is behind or the sovereigns behind those debt instruments do not go bankrupt, then you don't have a problem. But on a short term basis, at that point in time, 1st January 1st July, FINMA want to see what the potential loss would be. I agree with you. It increases the volatility.

It doesn't mean that we are going to actually lose that money. On the extraordinary result, yes, it is the reserves, the particularly for the interest rate reserve. It's all the reserving up front. So if we go back to the questions, which is the equity results go back to normal, it's the same thing as the spreads. At the end of the year, 31st December, when you cut the date, the equity markets were massively down and we showed big losses.

If you cut the year end now, we'll be back again and make profits. So unfortunately, you can't smooth it out over a period. It's a question when you want to choose that period. So yes, we'll should be back, assuming, of course, the equity mark still carry on there, the same route that they've done in the 1st couple of months. And then the 80% to 90%, yes, I think there are some companies that show that.

As I said, IFRS is not always the best indicator. One thing I will say is that in 2 areas, in Specialty Lines, Specialty Markets and in Europe, there were far less capital repatriation than in prior year, mainly because of growth requirements in specialty markets. And also in Europe, there were some regulatory buffers we wanted to build in.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Peter Eliot from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thank you for taking my follow-up questions. I'll leave the cash, but well, just perhaps one point of clarification. The NEDC, Paul, you said the position now was €500,000,000 as of the end of 2018 after the proposed dividend.

Speaker 3

€17,000,000

Speaker 4

Yes, sorry. I thought yes, but I thought you also commented on the position now and said that as of the end of 2018, it would also be about 500,000,000. Euros?

Speaker 3

No, I think I said it was we would give the final figures for 2018 with the Buford, but it's roughly about that, yes.

Speaker 4

Okay. So just to check that I've understood that correctly, so it hasn't changed across the year. I'm just checking that the definition is the same there, so after proposed dividend in both cases.

Speaker 3

Yes. The definition is the same. It will there'll be changes to the numbers when we finalize them. Put it this way, I can't expect I can't imagine it will be below the 500,000,000

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. Great. And the other one was just on the other results. I mean, I guess, the cost line was basically in line with the guidance that you gave.

But if I look at H2 in isolation at minus 38%, it's obviously a sort of a much higher run rate. Should we always expect that sort of seasonality? Or is there anything just maybe just to give you some help in just how to expect that, how that should develop in future years, H1, H2, etcetera?

Speaker 3

It's actually quite difficult to predict the run rate. I mean, the costs will depend on large projects or special costs. As I said, we have the in the cost result was the advertising and marketing campaign. It all depends when that starts. And the other one was some developments in corporate development where we've increased expenditure to cap the strategic developments.

So it's difficult to predict when those kind of things will actually fall due.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Speaker 2

More questions in the room? Yes.

Speaker 3

Is that the question? No.

Speaker 8

No, but I think given that we are going to see 2 showcases.

Speaker 3

But first

Speaker 8

of all, my question is, when I'm looking at the Swiss expense ratio, I would have argued that it should be a little bit lower because you are selling more and more products via SmartDirect.

Speaker 3

But Smart Smile is a relatively small percentage. I mean, it's €90,000,000 of the overall premium. €90,000,000 €90,000,000 Okay, yes.

Speaker 8

And then the other question is on Money Park. Where do I see Money Park within the group P and L?

Speaker 3

You don't. It's too small at the moment.

Speaker 2

Okay. More questions in the room? Okay. So before concluding this conference, I would like to say a word with regard to our Chief Investment Officer, Ralf Honecker, ever so young but 60 years old. Ralf Honecker is going to step down from his position by the end of March 2019.

That's why he is here present in this room for the last time. With Ralf LVTIA manager leaving the company and enjoying his retirement and apart from that, other positions, of course. Ralf and I would like to mention that in this room, especially with the financial analysts, Ralf successfully helped to steer our balance sheet through many ups and downs during the last roughly 17 years. He took over as the Group Chief Investment Officer in 2002, and he saw quite a few and many different capital market situations during that time. Helvetia share is nowadays roughly 5x worth what it used to be when it took over.

And talking about dividends, as we were before, I think it's true for Helvetia as well as for many other insurance companies. Our dividends are earned by our technical results, of course, but at the same time, but by our investment income. That's why Ralf, I think, contributed a lot to the Helvetia equity story and its success during the last roughly 30 years, and I wish him all the best. And I think we're going to see him again in the financial community. But today, it's time to say goodbye as Helvetia Manager.

Now I would like to conclude.

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