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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Jul 29, 2022

Operator

Good morning or good afternoon. Welcome to Swiss Re half year 2022 results conference call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Christian Mumenthaler, Group CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Christian Mumenthaler
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Thank you very much and good morning and good afternoon to everyone from me as well. I'm here with John Dacey, our Group CFO, Thierry Léger, our Group CUO, and Thomas Bohun, our Head of Investor Relations. Before we go to Q&A, allow me to make a few remarks. I've read a lot of good write-ups. I will not go through the numbers anymore, but rather focus maybe on a few nuances or elements I want to personally talk about so you get a bit of a sense and background sense of how we see things. The first one to talk about is life and health. I think obviously we're very happy about the result in Q2 and pleased to see the COVID losses drop as much as they did.

I think the nuance I would add here is that, in the past, we always had this, the winter waves, and then in summer, basically, because people were outside and the social distancing was stronger, there was nothing going around. Clearly this time it's different, the BA.4 and now BA.5 of Omicron are extremely effective, and there's huge waves going on in Europe, in the U.S., and it's just that people are infected for a second, third time. There's a lot of vaccinations and therefore, most people are not testing. And you see that on the positivity rates of the tests, which, for example, in Switzerland are 50%. This is very high and means there's enormous amount of undetected cases.

I think that's relevant because it strengthens the hypothesis that we're entering an endemic stage. We're not saying there's going to be zero COVID, obviously. I think we could see that in Q3, Q4, you know, you see some increase in excess mortality. But we definitely expect, unless there's a new variation coming out that is much more deadly, which is not that plausible, we would expect this to be significantly lower than it was in the last two years. So that's the Life and Health. P&C, obviously, you've also seen all the numbers. Just to repeat the overall budget for the year is $1.9 billion.

We had $0.9 billion so far, but this is ahead of the $0.7 billion, which we expect in the first half of the year. This is sort of the risk-based expected losses we would expect through the year. The year is still going on, so I think it's too early to draw any conclusions from that. The figures we published included $150 million of reserves related to the French hailstorms. I mentioned that because I think by the time we did the consensus, most of that was not yet known and not yet included. This is certainly something that is a deviation from consensus in my view, in our view.

I think this the fact that we release the premium rates or we earn through in GAAP, the Nat Cat premiums in a different way to our competitors. We have a scheme where this is risk-based. Since roughly a third of the risk is in the first half, two thirds in the second half, that's how we release, that's how we earn through, the Nat Cat business, which means that the second half structurally has a lower expected combined ratio because the Nat Cat business has a lower combined ratio than the rest of the book. This difference is about 3 points, so it's quite significant.

Of course, we have to explain that every year, and we'll have to see under IFRS whether we align to competitors or not. At this point in time, that's how it works in GAAP. That's an important fact to know. I think it's already quite widely known. I think the renewals. I think we are really happy with renewals. The July ones were 12%. Now, of course, you read that we increased models and loss picks by also 12%, so it washes out. I think that's something that's the right thing to do also in this environment with inflation, with the uncertainty we are having. Besides that's on a like for like portfolio, we have some benefits of portfolio shifts of 1%-1.5% in combined ratio.

Then, of course, the higher interest rates are earning through on the asset side. But it's not just that. I think also the fact that we reduced or started to reduce in January some of the proportional exposure, in particular motor in Europe, is now really paying off. I think that was the right thing to do. As you know, we're in a phase where with high inflation, where some of the primary insurers cannot have price increases, immediate price increases. In some jurisdictions, you need to file for that with the regulator. We felt that in January, but also through the year, that some of the prices we get on the proportional business do not reflect the full risk of inflation.

Therefore, we have seen a shift here. We're pleased not to have a top line target. As you know, top line is a very weak indicator for the underlying business. We also indicated that we deployed 10% more capital year to date. That's in contrast to the 3% increase in premium. We deploy more capital, but it's capital more to the non-proportional business. This is maybe a wider indication of the market hardening. Several of you were there many years ago when we were very much so long on the non-proportional side. In a hard market that makes sense because you're decoupled from the primary prices, and as the market softens, the differences of profitability become smaller.

Now we see a bit of a reversal of all of that. Overall, I think we're very pleased with the quality of the book. We have worked very hard to get where we are. In that sense also obviously very pleased with CorSo. I'm sure we're gonna have questions, but hopefully in the right way, not the way we had a few years ago. I think by now clearly a very nice turnaround in CorSo. It's very much established and also growing at good rates and continuing its strategic transformation. On SST ratio, we communicated we're above the range of 200%-250%, which is logical consequence of the higher interest rate environment.

As you know, in SST, as interest rates go up, we actually the need for capital is going down. From a regulatory point of view, we're extremely well capitalized, but it is also a time of stretch because in other measures like U.S. GAAP equity, obviously that is falling because the liabilities are not mark to market in U.S. GAAP. Here we have good hopes in IFRS, which we'll establish, IFRS 17, which we'll have by 2024. There's much more matching between the asset and liability side, and we won't see this drop, which we have seen now in U.S. GAAP.

Finally, on the targets, I said it this morning in the media call, and I think you can obviously judge by yourself, with everything I said, I think the segmental targets are absolutely within reach. The 10% OE is very much a question of financial markets in my mind. Also, Nat Cat, obviously, since we still have CHF 1 billion of budget there, and it depends how things develop. Financial markets have been, you know, a real, well, real strong deviation this year, have impacted us significantly. If you see any recovery there, of course, the 10% are still possible. It's just important to appreciate the distribution of both potential outcomes and that the 10% is still within this distribution, of course.

With that, I'll hand over to Thomas to introduce the Q&A session.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Christian, and hello to all of you from my side as well. Before we start, if I could just remind you to limit yourself to two questions and then rejoin the queue if you have follow-up questions. With that, operator, if we could have the first question, please.

Operator

The first question comes from Andrew Ritchie from Autonomous. Please go ahead.

Andrew Ritchie
Managing Director and Analyst, Autonomous

Oh, hi there. It's not often I'm first in the queue. Anyway, could I just follow up on the proportional business, particularly motor? Christian, you mentioned you pulled back on it, but obviously there's a lot in the book. I'm just trying to understand the protections that there might be as a reinsurer, particularly on motor proportional business. Yeah, I'm thinking things like sliding scales, et cetera, that mean you are to some degree insulated from the issues that we're seeing at the primary level. So maybe a bit of color on that would be useful. Second question on capital and SST. There was quite a lot of increase in drawn down debt in the first half of the year.

I can see in the accounts there's been also some reduction of senior debt. Does the SST number include that additional debt, or have you netted off debt that you're expecting? I think you've got some maturities in September and maybe early next year. Maybe just talk to us what you know through your sort of debt strategy and what you did in the first half. Thanks.

Christian Mumenthaler
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Mike.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

I take the first one. Hi, Andrew. On proportional business, motor in particular, you're absolutely right that there are protections in place. We have around, if you look at proportional and non-proportionals, on the proportional, the protection we have in place are sliding scales. Around 80% of our business has sliding scale, so that protects from inflation, for example, quite a bit. On the non-proportional side, more than 90% of our business has index clauses. Typically, such an index is CPI related, so it's not a perfect match, but it works quite well in current environment. That also provides us with protection.

It's clear that we see, or as Christian said before, earlier in the year, but already, during last year, we saw different tendencies, not necessarily just inflation. We also saw social inflation kicking in at a degree that would actually go beyond the sliding scale, as an example, or social inflation is also not reflected in the CPI index in non-proportional. These are all areas to watch for us. Clearly, our conclusion in the end was to reduce from the motor books that we had. That's a decision we took despite some of these protections being in place. Of course, we reduce more on those books that actually don't have these protections than where those protections are. Not all motor quota shares obviously have such protections.

Christian Mumenthaler
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Of course, these are not infinite. These sliding scales are just a few points, and they protect you from the worst from the beginning. Obviously, as inflation gets worse, it can hit you.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Typically, they're absolutely right, Christian. There are five, maybe seven points, right? That's why I said if you are faced with heavy inflation and maybe social inflation on top of it, then a 5%-10% sliding scale just doesn't protect you anymore enough, right? Which actually led us to reduce that exposure. That doesn't mean forever. The market, as Christian said, might turn more attractive again, and we will have a lot of powder dry at that time.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Andrew, it's John. With respect to the debt financing, you're right. We called on the pre-funded facilities early in the quarter. The CHF 1.9 billion was brought on balance sheet, largely as a preemptively funding what are going to be three maturing issues in the next 12 months. There's a subordinated note at the end of Q3. There's a senior note maturing at the end of the year, and another senior note maturing in May 2023. The amounts of those are similar, a little bit smaller, I think, than the CHF 1.9 billion in total. But our expectation is that we would not do any additional funding replacing any of these three maturing issues.

Rather, when we saw the market volatility in March and April, drawing on the pre-funded seemed to make sense, both economically and just securing the funds on the balance sheet ahead of these maturities. I think overall, the leverage of Swiss Re cosmetically looks relatively high just because the shareholders' equity has dropped CHF 7.5 billion impact from the increase in interest rates as of June thirtieth. Again, this is an accounting reality, not an economic reality. I think we're entirely comfortable with the overall positions of both debt and economic equity in the balance sheet. The SST ratio, as Christian mentioned, is above the top end of the range.

We're very comfortable at the moment with that. It's been inflated by this big shift in interest rates. When we come out, I think, in the end of October with our Q3, we'll give you detail on the final SST number as of the first of July.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Andrew. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Kamran Hossain from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Kamran Hossain
Research Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi. Christian, two questions. The first one is, I guess, on strategy and reinsurance. It's like you're increasing the level of cat business you're putting on what seems sensible, given what's going on in the market. It seems like it's actually truly getting hard there. Could you maybe talk about how much headroom you actually have to increase cat risk, both from kind of a rating agency basis and then also on an internal risk appetite? The second question is on Corporate Solutions. I mean, the numbers, I think, Christian, you said, you know, have been a very good result, and it has been for some time. The exit kind of combined ratio, underlying combined ratio, ex the, I guess, the deal you did suggests it's kind of closer to 91%.

Potentially, you had a little bit of bad luck in the first half as well. Is there any reason that Corporate Solutions shouldn't have a kind of sub-90% combined ratio in the near term? Thanks.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Hi, Kamran. I take the first one. On cat, and you referred specifically to the headroom. But let me start first with confirming that we do indeed see cat as an attractive area to grow further. We think the market has now, as Christian said, arrived at a hard market positioning. We see further hardening, for example, in the two renewals. We feel that continued hardening will happen in the next 18 months or so. We are very optimistic with regard to the market out there. In terms of headroom, our headroom goes from very large to maybe less so. It depends a bit on the perils. As you know, we split our cat book into many different perils.

On some of them, we have a lot of appetite, so we are strongly pushing for those. They now in this hard market come actually at very attractive rates. One of them was, for example, Flood Germany last year. We could really ride the wave very nicely with deploying more capacity into the market. There are other areas where the capacity is generally more scarce, but also there we have some headroom still to play around. If we feel that the headroom is reducing, what we do is we just prune the good business. Maybe it's not as stellar as some of the new business we can get. Some of the actually good business might have to go and make room for even better business.

That is also why certainly you can hear Christian being very positive on cat, because what is good is gonna get even better. We can grow both EVM capital allocation, and we can over proportionally grow our economic profit in the space.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I think if I can, together with that, the continued strength of our alternative capital partners gives us the opportunity to manage some of the peak risks by directly accessing retro markets for those risks. The prices that are being demanded are elevated compared to where they might have been a year ago. We understand that, to date, we've been able to price the underlying risk that we bring onto our books in a way that there maintains a margin between what we cede out in with various vehicles to what we've actually been compensated for taking a risk onto our books.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

I'll take the Corporate Solutions question, which, of course I fully understand and there's clear logic in what you're saying and suggesting. I just say that I think really about the long term of this business, and we're still paranoid about the past and where things might go with this market if you project several years out. It is the top importance for me is that Corporate Solutions must be rock solid in every single balance sheet item. That will be the priority. It is we don't want to push results now and then later get into trouble. I think it's super important that we have a sustainable long-term path for Corporate Solutions.

We do that through some portfolio shifts and getting into more diversified lines overall, so that even if there was a shock like the last soft cycle, which is basically what I always try to get them to go through in simulations that we can sustain. So, I'm not making any particular predictions for the future, but just understand what's the mentality we come from, and that we want to make sure that it's on a very safe, sustainable path. Thank you. Carmen, could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Freya Kong from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Freya Kong
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, good afternoon. Two questions, please. Your P&C Re current year loss ratio seems to be moving backwards despite your changing business mix over the last year. Is this being driven by more proportional or something else? Even adjusting for the war losses and the earn through timing, H1 versus H2, do you think you are still running a bit behind the 94% normalized combined ratio target for this year? Secondly, there was some reserve strengthening in Q2 for both P&C Re and Corporate Solutions. Could you just give us some color on what's driving this?

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Okay, yeah. Take the first one on P&C Re, the loss ratio question that you were asking. Indeed, your observation obviously is factual, right? That with regard to where the loss ratios develop. Maybe let me go just back a little bit. We've made it very clear, right, that we see an environment of high volatility in which actually we need to drive technical returns first, right? That explains our very strong focus on combined ratios, and that of course includes the loss ratio. We have also said that we would shift the portfolio to where it's more attractive. In this environment, we have explained it now several times, we move from proportional rather to non-proportional business.

All of that obviously then impacts our loss ratio. What I would think in this environment, we definitely need to watch that. As the Chief Underwriting Officer, I really watch the attritional loss ratio very closely because I do believe that we need more headroom in such a volatile environment. I think with the continued shift of business, with the improved costing that we have seen again in July, it makes me feel very optimistic about continuing to drive this attritional loss ratio down further. There is more to play here and much more details.

With regard to the question, of course, of the 94, I think we have explained it several times already that we see ourselves still on a good path with regard to P&C Re. We have shown the normalized results, the normalized combined ratios, and we have explained to you the seasonality or effect as an example, but also Christian mentioned the Ukraine impact and so on. All reasons that if you deduct those, actually you can see that you are still on a very good path to get below the 94.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Uh, and with-

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Use the microphone.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

With respect to the prior year development, I think overall in the first half there was a positive momentum continuing, although at a much smaller rate than in 2021 for Corporate Solutions. The net position was about +CHF 50. There was some reinforcement of reserves in casualty. There might have been a couple specific claims coming from the older years where they saw a need to make some modest top ups. I think more importantly, just some precautionary assumption changes for the core book in casualty to be sure that we've got, as Christian indicated, sufficient reserves for the uncertainty that's part of the casualty liability book of business there.

I don't think this is anything to worry about in the context of any trend, but rather just looking forward and being sure that we're well covered. On P&C Re, a similar orientation. I think again, some pluses, some minuses. Net for the half year, I think we had a negative CHF 10 million, which is frankly trivial with respect to the overall reserve position of P&C Re. I think we're very confident in the reserves.

We've continued to evaluate all different dimensions of pressures on these reserves, whether it's social inflation that we've been talking about now for literally years, whether it's the current spike in inflation affecting short-term lines on motor and property in particular, and comfortable that we've made the adjustments we need to make to be well positioned.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Freya. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Iain Pearce from Credit Suisse, please go ahead.

Iain Pearce
Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. The first one was just on the intra-group dividends. Just looking at the reporting, it looks like the segmental changes in equity is no longer being shown, and holding co-equity looks quite low, even taking into account the sort of market movements that we've seen. I'm just wondering if you could talk to us about what's happened in terms of dividends from subsidiaries up to group level in H1. The second one is just a point of clarification around P&C Re, particularly with the business mix changes that we've seen and the sort of one and a half percentage point combined ratio improvement that you mentioned there. Is that included in the 94 guidance or is that in addition?

That, you know, with these changes, was that part of the budget at the start of the year? Or is this something that actually should be leading us to sort of improve estimates for next year? Thanks.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thomas, would you like to take the first question?

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

With respect to internal dividends, we did make a dividend payment out of SRZ in SRL in advance of the payment of the external dividend. I think, you know, our capital and liquidity in the flagship carrier SRL remains robust and we don't see any particular issues with respect to flexibility on dividends as we go forward. I'm not sure that there's a particular issue here. If on the disclosure we can. I don't know that we've specifically done less. It's part of the restructuring that we described last year with what we called Project Genesis.

The bringing a series of legal entities in Switzerland together may just not have that intercompany flows that you might have seen in previous years. I think that's the only thing that's going on here. On the second question.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

On the second question. You're absolutely right. The business mix is included in our 94 targets already. Improvements that we have achieved obviously this year will already benefit to a certain extent this year. That would actually help to compensate for some of the headwinds, unexpected headwinds we have seen due to the war. Lots of these changes, including obviously the very strong July renewals will also or even more so benefit 2023 and further years.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Iain. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Vinit Malhotra from Société Générale. Please go ahead.

Vinit Malhotra
Research Analyst, Societe Generale

Hi, it's Vinit. Just a quick one from me. Can you share what the latest IBNR position is on COVID reserves for P&C Re and Corporate Solutions? I think the last disclosure we got was at the year-end stage, where the IBNR position was around 50%-53%. That's really all from my side.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Hi, Vinit. It's still surprisingly large given the fact that we're two years after the incurred event. It's down a bit, but the largest single IBNR position continues to be the property BI, and we continue to be in serious discussions with a number of primary companies, looking for resolution for an appropriate determination of final claims. I'd like to tell you it's gonna be done this year, but I don't think it will be. Some of them might. We'll give you, as we get through December 31st, a more detailed update of what's left out there.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Vinit. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Will Hardcastle from UBS. Please go ahead.

Will Hardcastle
Executive Director and Research Analyst, UBS

Hey, absolutely, everyone. Yesterday we heard quite a bit about reserve risk and the read across from whether it be reviver statutes or inflation potential. It sounds like you say you recognize the higher inflation risk, and you wouldn't assume any more risk than normal assumptions heading into the Q3 reserve review. Is that a fair statement from what you've said so far? I guess I'd probably say it seems quite optimistic given the spike in inflation, or is it because you just view it as a short-term spike in nature? The second one, just thinking about leverage, you mentioned there that the headline IFRS isn't the correct way because of the unrealized gains, et cetera. I guess we can always strip that out.

Even then, we'd still be close to 40% and of course the peers would be lower in that regard. I guess other reinsurers, insurers are happy giving their targets. Would you be willing to give an appropriate range for leverage? Or how should we be thinking about it?

Operator

Thanks.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Sure, Will. On the first one, with respect to the reserve risks, you know, I know the reviver statutes and potential risks on abuse claims is topical. You know, we've been looking at this quarter by quarter for probably the last five years, at least, maybe longer. We continue to update our view of our own exposures, talk with our clients. We've got sort of general IBNR reserves set up for our U.S. liabilities, which, for better or worse, is probably where most of this dollar loss is likely to come from, but also in some cases, some specific case reserves. We're comfortable, very comfortable with what we have there.

The reserve adjustments that we made in 2019, 2018, 2020 through the P&C Re, of course, I think reflected our view that the social inflation was an issue, and our continued view that it's not going away, it's not getting better, it may even be getting worse. The updates that we made, and you saw last year that we continued to make contributions to P&C liability reserves, were reflective of this. On the shorter tail lines, we evaluate what the exposures are for us. You just heard Thierry talk about some isolation or insulation that we have on some of the motor inflation, but we're still seeing, especially with large losses, the risk there, certainly in property as well.

In the first case, we've adjusted aggressively our costing models and the pricing related to these lines. We've also looked at the reserves, and we're comfortable that we've made whatever adjustments are required on a quarter by quarter basis to get us to a good place there. I think, you know, we don't have a particular view that inflation is going to be short lived. On the contrary, the Swiss Re Institute, I think, has taken a relatively pessimistic view, coming into 2022 and through 2022. You know, we while we don't necessarily agree 100% with everything that our economists there have to say, that's the basis from which we evaluate what we think might be required for the insurance covers we write.

With respect to the leverage, we actually I have been reducing over you know the last ten years a series of positions for the various components of leverage the way that we calculate it. We've said that we're looking at the upper end of 35%, and that's a different calculation, I think, than you're using, but we can put it very easily together. We've stayed in there. The important thing is we systematically have been reducing our senior debt and in some cases replacing it with subordinated debt along the way. I think you know the point of this momentary increase that you see here at June thirtieth is what I mentioned to Andrew, right?

A pre-funding of three issues which are maturing in the next 12 months. We don't expect new issuance as a result, and we'll go into 2022, I think in fine shape. Comparison with our competitors, I'll leave to you.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Will. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Vinit Malhotra from Mediobanca. Please go ahead.

Vinit Malhotra
Research Analyst, Societe Generale

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you, John. Thank you, Christian Mumenthaler. The first one is on the renewals. I'm just curious about one or two things there. One is the strong reduction in proportional property, which I presume is Ex- CAT, and you note that this is more exposed to inflation. I understand that the motor topic you just discussed earlier in the call was in the casualty side. Is that a similar thing there? Why should proportional property Ex- CAT have more inflation through the casualty side? Or give some idea there.

Just linked to that, is it a fair thing to compare these two slides, which is as of 1Q and then the 2Q slides, the one where we show the renewals walk, and we see new business rather low of only about CHF 100 million in the July renewals. Obviously, that could be consistent with this cutback. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this cutback in July renewals. That's the first topic. Second topic is the mid-size manmade losses, which, you know, both 1Q and 2Q and now on Slide 23 were higher year-on-year on the accident, the attribution of the loss ratio, if you like to call it that.

Is there something that we should be thinking about here? Because this was a topic in the call today, in the morning today. If I can ask a half point, literally a half, one word clarification, you mentioned cause for being very cautious or reasonably cautious. Is the casualty CorSo 123 combined ratio 2Q, just an example of a cautious approach, or is it something being driven by, some external losses or claims or even the reviver statute you just mentioned? Thank you.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Vinit, I'll take this, and you might have to repeat one question. I wasn't sure whether I understood it. I will go with those that I believe I understood. The first is on proportional property, right? Why do we reduce it? When you look at inflation, you can see that CPI and for example, construction prices and elements like this, they have a direct impact on property. When these spiked the way they did, I mean, construction started last year, which is by the way, also why we already started last year to become very cautious on property because the construction prices are not up only since the war, they were up already because of supply chain problems before that.

Construction prices are high up now, CPI is high up as well. Both have a direct impact on property. When these spikes happen relatively fast, then, of course, it's clear that it's gonna take the primary industry at least 12 months to actually get ahead of the curve. Everyone is now behind the curve, increasing prices. You have to file, it takes a while, so 12-18 months delay. When you look at it from a reinsurance perspective, and you have different ways to deploy your capital, that's not necessarily where we therefore decided to deploy our capital. You also had a question around the renewals and CHF 100 million. Maybe, Vinit, do you wanna just...

I come to your other questions in a second, but maybe you wanna elaborate a little bit on that question of the CHF 100 million, because I didn't get it.

Vinit Malhotra
Research Analyst, Societe Generale

Yeah. Sorry. You know, if I see the slides which show the renewal walk. For example, you know, what was in the first quarter, Sllide five, and today is Slide six. You know, you see the column new business, YTD, and it's really small number of only CHF 0.1 billion. I'm just, I mean, you can cancel a lot, which I can see, you know, could be a proportional property, but if you only wrote CHF 0.1 billion of new business, is that just a reflection that non-proportional tends to be lower volume, but higher impact on the numbers?

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Yeah.

Vinit Malhotra
Research Analyst, Societe Generale

take it off.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

No, it's. Maybe you will have to, but I'm really happy to answer what I think I now understood. Yes, indeed, you're absolutely right. Non-proportional business for the same amount of capital allocated comes with five times less premium. That's what you see, right? You can really allocate more and more capital. At the same time you shift from prop to non-prop, you reduce your premium that goes with it. Again, you have CHF 100 million capital with proportional that might create CHF 500 million of proportional premium. If you write the same CHF 100 million capital with non-proportional, that creates maybe CHF 100 million premium.

When you shift the business mix, then that's exactly how in the end it comes across. You had a question around the mid-sized man-made losses, and indeed we have observed a number of mid-sized losses. Mid-size are below our CHF 20 million threshold for large losses. We apply that to NatCat and man-made. There are some differences to some of our competitors that actually apply different thresholds. For us, it's always 20, so mid-size is below the 20, but still above the CHF 5 million-CHF 10 million. We had indeed an unusual increase of number of such losses, mainly related to prior years here. I wouldn't read too much into it, to be honest.

I mean, this is the usual change in frequency that one has to expect. Yes, there have been more than we would typically expect, but I really don't see this now as a new trend or anything worrying to come our way. You also made reference to the casualty, relatively high combined ratio and whether we should read anything in there. Certainly nothing worrying. Some of it can be explained by these mid-sized man-made losses, clearly. You also shouldn't read into it an overly cautious approach to casualty. We are, as John said, we are cautious. We are generally trying to be very technical in our approach to the risks that we see, in particular, inflation.

Again, I would not read too much into this quarter, casualty line of business. It's just too narrow and too volatile.

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Vinit. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Ashik Musaddi from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ashik Musaddi
Executive Director and Head of European Insurance Research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Just a couple of questions I have. I mean, John, I guess you mentioned earlier that some of the benefit of the business mix change will feed into next year as well. Given that, the cat business has grown really very strongly at a 24% versus group at 3%, I mean, is it fair to say that the combined ratio improvement this year versus like next year versus this year on a normalized basis could easily be like a percentage point or something? Or would you say, no, that's a bit on the higher side? That's the first question, I would say. The second one would be, life earnings are pretty strong, excluding COVID as well.

Any color you'd want to give on what was driving that life earnings? Is it technical? Is it investment income driven? That would be very helpful. Thank you.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Ashik, thanks. On your first question, it's a little premature for us to be out with a 2023 guidance on the combined ratio. I think what's important is that we were pleased with the acceleration of pricing in the midyear. Thierry expressed that he thinks, and frankly, the group thinks that the hardening market for reinsurance broadly, not cat specifically, will continue. We'll be able to give you a much more definitive color on what an appropriate combined ratio for P&C Re will be when we've got the January first renewals under our belt. It's just too big of a piece of the puzzle to have us speculate before that's actually done.

Yeah, the message that you've heard, I think, from everybody here is that we think the pricing is supportive. We think the loss costs are increasing, and we think the price will need to continue to improve for any future uncertainties or deterioration in loss costs caused by inflation or other factors play into the risks here. On life earnings, you're right. In a year where we said the impact of the crossovers of the pre-2004 portfolios was going to put real pressure on us. Year to date, the underlying earnings have been strong.

What I can say is, in any one quarter or one half, we normally have a number of geographies performing well, and then one or more geographies where the life business is either struggling or needs a bit of a reshaping with respect to some components. What we saw, especially in the second quarter, was actually the business firing pretty much on all cylinders across all geographies and delivering just a very strong result. I can't project that this will be carried forward into future quarters, but what I can say is we didn't stretch anything to try to show a nice number.

The fact that we got to a positive 2 rather than something else is literally the result of an important bottom-up exercise of where the profits landed. The underlying strength of the business is what gives us a firm belief that we can in fact achieve CHF 300 million for the year, in spite of what will be some additional COVID losses which we would expect in the second half.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Thank you, Ashik. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Thomas Fossard from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Thomas Fossard
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, HSBC

Oh, yes. Good afternoon, everyone. A follow-up question on the life side. I think that I can remember that the Investors' Day at the end of last year you were pretty bullish on the prospect for growth opportunities in the life business. Year-to-date, premiums are up 2%-3%. So I was wondering, is that the results of more attractive opportunities in the P&C side, which makes you allocate more capital to P&C as opposed to life? Or should we expect the momentum in terms of top line on the life side to pick up in the upcoming quarters? The second question would be maybe also clarification on COVID-19. Could you talk specifically what your thinking is currently on credit and surety IBNR?

Thomas Bohun
Head of Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Is it related to COVID-19? Is it something that you are ready to rethink Q3, Q4? And the last thing could be in the context of a very volatile financial market environment. Could you update us on what your latest thinking regarding asset mix, asset allocation, hedges, anything that you would like us to leave with after this call regarding how you're positioning the investment portfolio for Q3? Thank you.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Hi, Thomas. I'll take the first on Life and Health growth. You're absolutely right. We still see an environment generally of actually attractive opportunities. We see that generally the desire from people in is to get protection that is still kind of coming off from the COVID crisis. We see that across the board. We see that the growth is generally happening at improved margins. We said that we see ourselves in a payback mode now after COVID. We continue to push really hard for price increases, and we get not everything we want, but we get some of it, so we are quite pleased about these two. Those two are working really well.

I guess we had a little headwinds on the very large transactions, so we still haven't seen that one. Generally we see one or two per year of large ones. That hasn't happened yet. That can come obviously any time, but it's much more lumpy than anything else. That explains some of what you said. Also, you might remember that we have in critical illness also been very careful in the last two years. We can see now some of that coming through reduced growth in CI. Again, nothing varying. Actually, where we wanna grow, we are growing, and we are growing at nice margins currently. Actually quite good news in Life and Health.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Thomas, on your second question on sort of COVID and credit and surety IBNRs, look, we're looking at various components of COVID reserves, and I think we'll give everybody an update probably at year-end with where we stand. If we find that there is redundancies, we'll act, but we don't necessarily disclose every time we do something here with respect to the overall position. Like I said, we believe our current reserves remain more than adequate for the exposures that we have on the P&C side for COVID remaining. I think you squeezed a third question in on asset mix. Just quickly, I can say that our investment team remains fairly cautious.

We've put in place a series of hedges with respect to listed equities, which protect us from much in the way of downside risk there. We still have exposure to our private equity portfolio, which we've disclosed is about CHF 3.5 billion in the overall mix of assets. There is some credit exposure, but we continue to trade up into relatively high quality. More than 90% of the credit book is investment grade and is closely monitored. Christian, I think this morning, identified about CHF 50 million of impairments largely related to Russia and maybe some China real estate development exposure. We're very comfortable with the portfolio we have as a fairly defensive position on it.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Thank you, Thomas. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Daryl Guo from RBC. Please go ahead.

Daryl Guo
Equity Research Analyst, RBC

Hi, good afternoon everyone. I hope you can hear me okay. Just two questions, please. The first one is just going back to topic on inflation. So I'm just trying to get a sense of how you're stress testing your inflation assumptions within reserving. So maybe things like what is the inflation stress that you're assuming under your SST capital, as well as, you know, anything anecdotally you can share, perhaps what is the SST ratio sensitivity to, say, a 1% increase in inflation assumption? The second one, just going back to the CorSo reserve strengthening, could you confirm that this was covered under the ADC through a P&C Re? And also, how much of reserves have been ceded to P&C Re through the ADC since inception to date? Thank you.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Let me give it a try. I think with respect to inflation, I don't know if people remember, but we actually made an adjustment in the SST model to inflation more than a year ago, which we had explained it created a reduction of the capital ratio, that was not necessarily anticipated, but it seemed appropriate at the time, which would I think been at year-end 2020, if I'm not mistaken. We continue to evaluate under SST what an appropriate inflation risk factor is as we go forward. We've not shared sensitivities on this.

I'm not sure that we will, but I'll at least consider it if people think that this would be a useful point of information for you. The CorSo position. Sorry, I'm

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

I think the PYD you were referring to, that would be in the combined ratios of Corporate Solutions. That would've been retained within Corporate Solutions.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Specifically, those combined ratios that we show by line of business, that is, a net view.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

More broadly, the specific sort of detailing of the cash flows of the ADC between the two, we've not disclosed and are unlikely to disclose.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Thank you, Daryl. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Darius Satkauskas from KBW. Please go ahead.

Darius Satkauskas
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KBW

Good afternoon. Two questions. First one, you highlighted that the year-to-date rate increase was roughly 6%, and that this was fully offset by loss cost trends. When we think about next year's combined ratio, am I right to think that there should not be any benefit beyond business mix changes from the pricing you were able to achieve in the recent renewals? That's the question number one. Second question: during the July renewals, did you see any signs of pushback on rate increases because reinvestment yields have gone up? And do you expect pressure on the underwriting returns going forward as the industry should be making much more on the investments? Thank you.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Darius, I can take these. Yeah, at this point in time, you should look at it the way we present it, so that the changes that you'll see will come from a portfolio mix because we think that the price increases that we have seen have been used actually to set them against the different loss trends, inflation and so on, that we have seen. Indeed, that should be your thinking. On your second point, no, actually, it's very, very important, right, that we do not get pushback on that point. I have been very clear also at the Investors' Day that we need technical results, margins.

As a result, that's also how I provide the messages internally to all underwriters in the company, and I'm very clear that the combined ratio is what has to be top on people's mind, and we will very happily take the higher interest rates as a windfall.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

Thank you, Darius. We have time for a last question. Could we take the last question, please?

Operator

The last question comes from Dominic O'Mahony from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Dominic O'Mahony
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Hi, folks. Thank you for taking the questions. Just two small clarifications. One is just on the life net income target. Your life performed very well in the second quarter. You're sticking with the CHF 300 million. Is that because there's something about H2 which you know you just need to manage through, and so that the sort of beating expectations in Q2 doesn't necessarily translate into an upgrade in that CHF 300 million? Or are you essentially being conservative with that CHF 300 million? Secondly, just on pricing versus claims. You suggested that, you know, over the next 18 months, you're very confident on the pricing environment.

You've also said you were really happy with the summer renewals. The latest renewals, essentially you offset claims inflation, which is great. Are you expecting over the next 18 months, pricing ahead of claims inflation as some of the capacity from your competitors comes out of the market, or is this really about confidence that you'll match claims inflation and that will lead to sort of strong growth? Thank you.

John Dacey
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I'll take the first question, Dominic. With respect to the net income and effectively saying that we'll make CHF 300 million in the second half of the year, as I mentioned, we do expect some COVID claims still in the second half. Again, Q2 was light at a reported CHF 40 million, but that's a net number. The actual incurrence for the quarter was slightly above CHF 100 million, and there were some offsets from reserves that we'd put up in previous periods that we could balance off against that. You shouldn't extrapolate the 40 necessarily into the next two quarters. On the other hand, we think it will be contained, as we just said before.

In addition to that, this is a tough year with respect to the crossovers I mentioned in Q2 especially. In the first half, we had all regions performing very, very well. I think it's unlikely that it will be the case for the full year. If it is, it'll be a nice to have. I think 300 remains a reasonable and certainly achievable target for us.

Thierry Léger
Group CUO, Swiss Re

On the second question, Dominic, I don't know. At some point, I guess that pricing will go ahead of the claims trend, but for this, the claims trend somewhat has to turn, right? Inflation has to turn, other elements have to turn for actually the price trend to get ahead of the claims trend. It's gonna happen at some point. I can honestly not predict when that will be, but it's gonna happen, and that's gonna then represent the next boost. That's gonna be the next tailwind, right? The tailwind that we see now is on the interest rate side. The next tailwind will be that we are actually indeed ahead of the trends. Thank you, Dominic. With that, we've come to the end of the session.

Christian Mumenthaler
Group CEO, Swiss Re

We'd like to thank you for all your questions. If you do have follow-up questions, please, contact us at Investor Relations. Thanks again, and we wish you a nice weekend. Bye-bye, everyone.

Operator

Thank you for your participation, ladies and gentlemen. You may now disconnect.

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