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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 27, 2026

Operator

Good morning or good afternoon. Welcome to Swiss Re's Annual Results 2025 Conference Call. Please note that today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Andreas Berger, Group CEO. Please go ahead.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Thank you very much, good morning or good afternoon to all of you. I appreciate you taking the time to join us today. Before our Group CFO, Anders Malmström, will walk you through the detailed numbers, I'd like to start with some brief remarks, as usual. It was a good day. 2025 has been a successful year for Swiss Re, but also for all key stakeholders, our clients and partners, our investors, but also our employees. We have two priorities. First, delivering on our group net income, and second, increasing the resilience of Swiss Re to improve the consistency of earnings delivery over time. In 2025, we delivered against both priorities, also allowing us to increase our capital repatriation to shareholders.

We achieved a record group net income of $4.8 billion against our target of more than $4.4 billion and an ROE of 20%. This result reflects disciplined underwriting, strong recurring investment income, and low burden of large losses outside of the first quarter last year. At the same time, and this is equally important, we further strengthened the resilience of the group. We completed the Life & Health Re portfolio review, added to the current and prior year reserves in P&C Re, continued to increase initial loss assumptions well in excess of economic inflation, and applied the uncertainty load on new business across the Swiss Re Group. In addition, we achieved more than $100 million of cost savings in 2025.

Therefore, we're well on track to deliver our targeted $300 million reduction in the operating cost run rate by 2027. P&C Re and Corporate Solutions achieved an excellent result, supported by strong underwriting performance and lower than expected large claims. P&C Re achieved a combined ratio of 79.4%, well within its target of below 85%, while Corporate Solutions delivered a combined ratio of 86.5%, comfortably meeting its target of below 91%. Just as a reminder, the 86.5% combined ratio for Corporate Solutions is calculated on a different basis than that of P&C Re, reflecting a gross revenue view and including all expenses. On a like-for-like basis, Corporate Solutions' combined ratio would have been 80%.

These outcomes reflect the actions we have taken in recent years to build the highest quality portfolio we've ever had in both P&C businesses. Against this backdrop, we entered the renewal for January 2026. The outcome was in line with expectations, with no real surprises. We executed on our priorities, first, to lead with confidence in segments where we have differentiating value propositions. Secondly, to actively manage our sub-portfolios to respond to the more competitive market, including prioritizing sustainable structures. Third, to grow together with our clients by offering solutions that address challenging concentration risks. Overall, while demand increased, competition intensified, especially in Nat Cat. Although clients selectively increased retentions, the three selectively or successfully, I should say, preserved our share of wallet. Casualty prices were up, we remain cautious even as our repositioning actions are complete.

We expect similar conditions in the upcoming renewals, always obviously subject to loss activity. What does that mean in terms of numbers? On volume, we renewed treaty contracts representing $12.4 billion of gross premium in line with the business up for renewal. Overall, nominal pricing was broadly flat, with mid-single-digit improvements in casualty, offset by similar declines in property, particularly for Nat Cat covers. The gross premium volume developments mirror this divergence. At the same time, based on a prudent view on inflation and updated loss models, we increased loss assumptions by 4.6%, resulting in a net price decrease of 4.3%. Importantly, I repeat, importantly, times and conditions remain stable. We reduced our external retro for Nat Cat at the 1/1 renewals, as flagged already at the management dialogue in December, thereby increasing our net cat exposures.

Turning to Life & Health Re. In 2025, we completed the review of underperforming portfolios and took targeted actions to address related sources of volatility. The assumptions updates booked in the fourth quarter that impacted the insurance service result and CSM balance, are in line with our guidance provided at the management dialogue. Despite all these actions, Life & Health Re delivered a net income of $1.3 billion for the full year. Life & Health Re is on a much stronger footing, with clearer visibility on earnings delivery. This gives us confidence in achieving the increased net income target of $1.7 billion for 2026, and in Life & Health Re's ability to be the stable earnings provider to the group, covering the majority of our ordinary dividend.

Our earnings were underpinned by a strong investments contribution, with a return on investment of 4% and a recurring income yield of 4.2%, providing an important and stable contribution to our earnings. We've also made substantial progress on our decision to withdraw from iptiQ, with all remaining parts now being either sold or to be placed into runoff in due course. Looking ahead, we confirm the financial targets we communicated at our management dialogue in December.

For 2026, we are targeting a group net income of $4.5 billion, reflecting our confidence in the resilience of our business units, disciplined underwriting, and active cycle management. In closing, I would really like to thank our employees for their strong commitment and hard work throughout the year 2025. I'd like to thank our clients and partners for their continued trust. You, I'd like to thank you, our investors and analysts, for your engagement and support. Now, with that, I'll hand over to Anders to you for a closer look at the financial details of the 2025 results.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Thank you, Andreas, and good morning or good afternoon to everyone on the call. I will make a few remarks on the results we've released this morning before we move to the Q&A. Let me start with the insurance service result of our businesses. P&C Re reported an insurance service result of $3.6 billion for 2025, significantly above the prior year level. The increase was driven by favorable experience variance, partly offset by lower CSM release, reflecting the earn through of prudent initial loss picks, including the impact of the uncertainty allowance on new business, as well as slightly lower margins. Experience variance and other, which captures deviations from initial reserving assumptions, contributed a positive $698 million in 2025.

This was primarily driven by large Nat Cat losses that came in $1.1 billion-$1.2 billion below expectations. Against this highly favorable backdrop, we further strengthened P&C Re's resilience by selectively adding to both current and prior year reserves. For the full year, we added about $200 million to current year reserves and around $100 million to prior year reserves in nominal terms. These prior year reserve additions are net of releases. We have substantial reserve redundancies on short tail lines, close to $1 billion, which we recycled into longer tail lines in the form of IBNR reserves. This obviously benefits overall resilience. On the back of these actions, P&C Re reported a very strong combined ratio of 79.4% for the year, comfortably achieving its full year target of below 85%. Turning to Corporate Solutions.

The business unit delivered another strong year, achieving a full year combined ratio of 86.5%, comfortably meeting its target of less than 91%. The insurance service result increased to $1.2 billion in 2025, up approximately $200 million year-over-year, primarily driven by a higher CSM release, reflecting stronger in-force margins. Experience variance and other was positive at $217 million, reflecting favorable large loss experience and a positive prior year reserving result, partially offset by reserve additions for the current year.

Large Nat Cat claims of $148 million were below full year expectations, while large man-made claims of $351 were slightly above, partially offsetting the favorable Nat Cat experience. In Life & Health Reinsurance, the insurance service result was $1.2 billion in 2025, compared with $1.5 billion for 2024, reflecting the impact of detailed reviews of underperforming portfolios concluding in 2025. For the full year, the negative assumption updates related to these reviews impacted the PNL by around $650 million, of which approximately $250 million in the fourth quarter. This is in line with the guidance provided at the management dialogue. Both the full year and fourth quarter assumption updates were focused on three markets, Australia, Israel, and South Korea.

Adverse experience impacted the insurance service result by approximately $300 million for the full year, with close to $200 million of the impact attributable to the markets mentioned before. Despite these actions, Life & Health Re delivered a net income of $1.3 billion for 2025. While the assumption reviews also impacted the CSM balance, in addition to the P&L, the CSM remains robust at $17 billion, supported by prudently priced new business and favorable lapse movements. On revenues, the group's insurance revenue amounted to $43.1 billion, compared with $45.6 billion in the prior year, reflecting several key drivers that were already flagged throughout the year. As we have said repeatedly, we do not manage for top- line.

Earnings are what matter, and the quality and resilience of earnings continued to improve in 2025. Moving on to investments. Asset management delivered another year of strong returns with an ROI of 4.0%, in line with last year, reflecting a recurring investment income of $4 billion. In 2025, we benefited from the sale of Definity, offset by targeted losses within the fixed income portfolio. Let me conclude with capital. Swiss Re's board of directors will propose a dividend of $8 per share, representing a 9% increase, thereby delivering against our stated objective of growing the ordinary dividend paid between 2025 and 2027 by at least 7% per year.

On the announced buybacks, last December, we added important changes to our regular long-term capital distribution policy, which focuses on growing the ordinary dividend and complementing this with a sustainable buyback that is linked to the achievement of our annual group net income target. Beyond this, we have been clear that we do not rule out the possibility of additional excess capital repatriation in the form of extraordinary buybacks. Today's announcement of $1 billion extraordinary buyback on top of the dividend, and the $500 million sustainable buyback should be seen in that context

. The $500 million sustainable buyback is here because we have achieved our group net income target. The additional $1 billion extraordinary buyback reflects all the key drivers. We generated $4.7 billion of SST capital in 2025, despite the various actions we took to increase the resilience of the group, in particular on the Life & Health Re side. The extraordinary buyback is consistent with our focus on managing this important phase of the P&C pricing cycle.

Thirdly, the extraordinary buyback reflects our confidence in the overall resilience of the group, having successfully completed a host of actions across our businesses in the last two years. We expect to launch the buyback in early March, with completion targeted by the end of 2026. Our announced capital actions today imply total payout of $3.9 billion, or approximately 80% of our full year 2025 earnings. The group's SST ratio, including all of the announced capital actions, remains at a strong 250%. That's where I will leave it for now, and I'm happy to hand over to Thomas to kick off the Q&A.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Andreas. Thank you, Anders. As usual, before we start, the questions, if I could just remind you to limit yourself to two questions. Should you have additional questions, please, rejoin the line. With that, could we have the first question, please?

Operator

Sure. The first question comes from Will Hardcastle from UBS. Please go ahead.

Will Hardcastle
Head of European Insurance, UBS

Well, thank you. Yes, Will Hardcastle, UBS. First one is just trying to really triangulate and work out where the starting point to think of the 26 combined ratio is. I wonder if you can try and help with some of that working out to the underlying, so we can compare it to that better and 85% bridging with the three point worse combined ratio from January annual. That would be helpful.

Then secondly, can you talk me through the rationale of buying less retrocession year on year, and therefore adding greater volatility? I guess it comes slightly in conflict to your added resiliency. Just trying to understand why that's happened. I'm trying to think that presumably return on capital was probably higher last year than this year, so why now? Is that w e can see the RDSs. Is that reflective across, I guess, the belly of the risk as well, or is it just on the tail? Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Okay, maybe I start here. I think your first question is the starting point of the combined ratio. Basically, I think what you've tried to figure out is, what's the normalized combined ratio after the renewals? In a way, then where do you get that? Look, I think if we do that, I think we obviously have to normalize for seasonality, we have to normalize for the smaller effects, and then incorporate the new information we have with the renewals, which I think we stated as being around 3% nominal. In our view, this would bring us somewhere between 84% and 84.5%, somewhere there for the year.

I think this already incorporates all the prudent assumptions that we took. When you look at the our assumption that we increased the loss takes by 4.6%. That's significantly higher than inflation, so I think there's some call it prudency in. I think we have to the uncertainty load, and then at the same time, we bring the, you know, we have all the expense options. I think this brings us, well in line with the target also for 2026 to be below the 85% target that we have. Hope that helps.

Will Hardcastle
Head of European Insurance, UBS

On the retrocession.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

On the retrocession?

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

On retrocession, yeah.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah. I think I can maybe start there. I think, we're not known to depend on retro, and we have a strong balance sheet, and we believe and trust our underwriting. We were using retro, historically, yes. When we believe that, the margins, you know, remain with us, and that we can deploy the capacity that we have allocated to Nat Cat, in particular, that situation occurred, and then we said: Why not, you know, benefiting from it in-house? I think this is something that is a strong statement, actually, for the underwriting that we have, and the underlying quality of the book supports it. We'll take decisions in future and to weigh up, you know, whether or not, you know, it makes sense.

On the other hand, it's also important, from a capacity deployment perspective, not to add to the fire, or fuel oil into the fire, because if you add more capacity in a rate declining environment, you will actually obviously intensify the competition. This would be counterintuitive for the stability of rate adequacy that we would like to achieve. Yeah. That's the context for this decision, and then we'll revisit it, but at the moment, we feel very comfortable with this decision.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you. Will, could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Kamran Hossain, from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director, JPMorgan

Hi. Good afternoon. I've got two questions. The first one is on the buyback. If I think back to December in the IR day, I think, Andreas, you made quite a few references to the term the lemon tree, and I think, you know, I think you talked about sustainability, consistency, and not wanting to squeeze the lemon tree too hard. How should I interpret those messages that you were trying to give in December and the extraordinary buyback today? Was it just 2025 was extraordinary, and therefore, don't think about it, that, you know, don't plug that in, or, you know, an additional buyback into later years because it simply is just an extraordinary set of circumstances?

Or are you planning to squeeze things a little bit more? The second question is on Life & Health. In the fourth quarter, obviously, you had the assumption changes, which were in line with your expectations. You then had some other kind of negative experience variance in the fourth quarter. How comfortable are you that the kind of negative experience variance from kind of Q1 2026 just goes away completely? Is that what you assume, and that's what we should assume? Thank you.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Okay, let me take the first one, and the second one, I can pass on to Anders on the Life & Health side. 2025 should not be seen as a new normal in the Nat Cat activities. We had a Q1 where we exceeded our budget, Nat Cat budget, but then we had a very benign rest of the year in Nat Cat. That's not the new normal. Exposures can happen anytime, and that is reflected also in the budget that we set up. You know, we've got a budget of $2.1 billion for Nat Cat, and let's see. This can happen anytime. What we wanted to do is really bring in that professional underwriting view from a technical perspective, that we are managing cycles.

Cycle management is what we do. Then we look at our portfolio and see what lines of business are correlating with, you know, each other, in particular, when we assume certain cycle developments. We see a decline in property, in particular in Cat. As I said before, we don't want to fuel the fire by adding more capacity to a declining market, the quality of the rates is, and the rate adequacy is really important. In that context, you should see the comments that we did in December at our management dialogue. If you now look forward into 2026 and maybe even beyond, we will see maybe similar behaviors in the 2026 renewals. Let's see. It just requires one big event, loss event, and then the whole dynamics will change.

That's the message I wanted to get across, and that's why we said, "Don't take this as a new normal." We don't want to squeeze the lemon now. We're managing expectations in the sense of, you know, what does the market saying? What do the cycles and tell us? We want to create a lemon tree here, and that's what we, you know, did and starting and continuing to do, because we need to manage the cycles and the volatility. We've got a diversification benefit through Life & Health, which is helping, but I think within the P&C businesses, that cycle management is key, in particular at the moment, applying disciplined underwriting.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Maybe just to reiterate back on Life & Health, what I already just said on the call. I think we really finished now all the reviews. I think we strengthened the reserves significantly during that review. We actually look where the volatility that we had, the negative experience, where it's really coming from. Out of the $300 million that we had, $200 came from these underperforming markets that we just strengthened.

I feel very comfortable now that after all that work, that we will not see this adverse experience in the future years. Look, I think now we're going to continue to just do every year we do the updates and go through the portfolios, and you will not see large movements because you do it on a regular basis. Of course, can always have some volatility, but we feel very comfortable now that all the assumptions are set to what we have experienced and what we expect in the future years.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you. Kamran, could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Shanti Kang from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Shanti Kang
Director of European Insurance and Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just on the prudence that you've added today, you mentioned the skew between shorter and long tail lines, and I was just wondering if you could give us some color on what particular lines you address more heavily, or if that was more evenly spread across risk lines? Then just on the renewals, I noticed that you offset some of the volume decline in property and Nat Cat with some gains in Specialty and Casualty. Can you just characterize the Specialty lines that you felt were most attractive to grow? And also on Casualty, which areas peak your interest there? Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Okay. maybe I start with the first one on the prudence. I think where it says that we had on the short-term business, we had releases of basically close to $1 billion, and we moved them over to the long term. I think we evenly spread that. It's not that one particular line had problem, because we're not talking about problems here, we're talking about strengthening resilience. This is not one particular line that got that. I think it's important, this is all IBNR. It's all IBNR that we use to strengthen the resilience.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Maybe on the renewals. In particular, you said we were offsetting casualty by property by growth and casualty and some specialty lines. On the casualty, I can specifically say it was rate developments, positive rate developments. We're still very conservative because we think it's still a market or a line of business where you have to apply prudence, not only in U.S. liability, but also in EMEA and Europe, where you don't want to pick up through the back door, the U.S. casualty or U.S. liability exposures through European treaties. In Europe, particularly, the growth came from motor portfolios, in particular on the casualty side.

On the specialty side, I think overall, I think we were very happy with the lines of businesses, where there we're a bit cautious in the marine and energy space. We see very healthy situations in engineering, although competition is increasing in this line of business as well, so something to watch. The aviation markets, we've seen positive price changes on a normal basis. On the adjusted, risk-adjusted basis, it was almost flat. That's the picture we can see at the moment. On the cyber side, I can say risk adjusted, we don't see a very positive picture, so we've got slight declines, so we're very prudent there in the underwriting. You see it in the market also, that, some of the players were also, pulling back some capacity because we need to watch the rate adequacy.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Shanti Kang. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Baker, from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Andrew Baker
Head of European Insurance Research, Goldman Sachs

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, probably a little bit of a follow-up on Will's question, can you help me try and reconcile the 5% year-over-year increase in cat budget with your PML losses to weather events that have sort of increased 20%-30% or so? Does this just mean that you're writing a lot of the incremental cat exposure in the higher layers, or is there something else going on here?

Secondly, on insurance revenue. I appreciate what you're saying on the focus on the bottom line, but it has been a pretty volatile top- line in 25 and been quite difficult for us to forecast. I think you made the comment in December, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you expect the group number in 26 to be broadly flat versus 25? Is this still the case? I guess, is there any variation divisionally we should take into account? Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I think the first question was more about the cut budget. I think the net cut budget increased, as you say, by 5%, from $2 billion to $2.1 billion. I think the reduction in retrocession doesn't really impact the expected net cut. This is much more in the tail. This is a capacity that we increased, but that's in the tail. The expected net cut should not really be impacted by that decision. That's why I think it's a, let's say, a natural increase of 5% of the net cut budget to $2.1 billion. The second question?

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

The insurance revenue. I mean, look, there's a mixed items here. We've got the earn through of the casualty, U.S. casualty pruning. We had some individual items, smaller items, also on course, so for instance, the Medex book, the medical expense book on the A&H side, that went to AXA from the Irish annuity, that we were underwriting. Those were smaller items, and they added up, obviously, to that, the number.

Andrew Baker
Head of European Insurance Research, Goldman Sachs

In terms of guidance, yeah.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah, I mean, we don't really give guidance on in terms of, in terms of the revenues. I think we mentioned many times, I mean, don't manage to revenues, you could probably see that the market generally grows with GDP or slightly faster.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Andrew. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Ivan Bokhmat from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Ivan Bokhmat
European Insurance Analyst, Barclays

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you very much. My first question will be, probably also going back to one of the earlier questions on the combined ratio developments. I'm just trying to understand, you know, as we look into 2026 and perhaps in outer years. If 84.5 are the starting points, we can assume delivery on cost savings, but you've still, which is, you know, 1.5 to two percentage points. This still leaves a little bit of a balance that would push combined ratio higher, unless we assume some sustainable reserve releases. Of course, given the buffers you create, this is not unreasonable.

Maybe you can talk a little bit about that progression and how the balance sheet could be deployed, at what timeframe? The second question, I wanted to ask you about renewals and the new business CSM and DMC re. We've had, this year in 25, the growth was negative 5%. I'm just wondering, maybe you could try to separate the effects impact within that, and also perhaps, you know, suggest some view into 2026, of how should that be affected by the renewals?

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah.

Ivan Bokhmat
European Insurance Analyst, Barclays

Thanks.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Maybe let me just do here the intro, and then I'll hand over to Anders. Just on the cycle management piece. You've got two elements, the cost, obviously, and then the loss ratios to look at. Cycle management, as far as exposure is concerned, that's our day-to-day business. We set the strong foundation. The underlying portfolios are strong, and that's why we think we can manage those cycles very effectively. With the bottom line view. Expense management is becoming part of day-to-day business. We have introduced a philosophy here that we actively, obviously optimize the setup of the group. That's what we did with the organizational effectiveness measures, and also faster decision-making that translated automatically into expense savings. We're going to continue there.

I'm not going to talk about the productivity gains that we're going to get through AI, because that is a new area, and we haven't factored that into our plans yet. That's, that's a general view. Again, we are in an extremely volatile market. That's our business. One big event can change the dynamics completely, and that would then lead automatically to a hardening of the market again. I wouldn't rule out dynamics like that, because the alternative capital that's coming into the industry also has to then experience the losses that are coming through. We are a long-term player with strong balance sheets, and that's what we need to manage.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Maybe, just back to your question on the numerical side, on the quantitative side. As we mentioned before, I think you are going to get a normalized combined ratio of below 85%. This reflects the prudence. I think you can expect, if everything else as expected, that we're going to see reserve releases. On top of that, the expense actions that will continue. This is not over in 2025. We took the first 100 this year. We're going to have another 100, and another 200 over the next two years. That will help. I mean, prices will not always go down. I think we feel very confident, comfortable that I think we will stay below the 85%.

obviously, upset any huge Nat Cat events that clear when we budget. I think that's really the combination of prudent reserving, expense actions, and then disciplined underwriting. On the new business and CSM, you know that the new business CSM will come out in Q1. I think that's when we come with the exact number. you got now all the info, how much the renewals impact the combined ratio. That's a, say, that's a good proxy, but the exact number we're going to provide in Q1.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Ivan. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from James Shuck from Citi. Please go ahead.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Thank you. Good afternoon. I just had to begin with, just a couple of questions on the, on some of the moving pieces in the combined ratios. I appreciate the new business loss component is seasonal. The full year number is still a very large number. I think from memory, you were kind of guiding to around 1.5 to two percentage points as being the loss component. It's been 2.5 in 2024 and around three in 2025. What's driving that? $500 million negative loss component is quite a large number in the context of the overall insurance service results. Just keen to get some insight into the outlook for that number.

Also, if you're able to just comment a little bit on the expense ratio, which went up from 4.8% to 5.4%. I presume that's just your front-loading costs ahead of the reduction and efficiency program. Finally, just on the group items, and iptiQ now largely disposed or fully in runoff. I think guided to sort of about a $50 million reduction in a loss of iptiQ on an annual basis. Has that been accelerated in the period? The Q4 loss in group items was bigger than I anticipated. What was the iptiQ loss booked in Q4 and the outlook there, please? Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Okay, maybe I start on the first one.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Mm-hmm.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I think, your question about, the new business loss component. I mean, look, I think the way I think about this is, this is really driven by the prudent loss picks, and you then should then see that coming through positive variants going forward. That's really how I look at. We write profitable business, it's not that we don't write profitable business. It's just the way you reserve for it becomes onerous, day one, and then it releases, over the, through positive experience.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Maybe just on iptiQ, no, there's no acceleration. Just to remind us, we have first sold the P&C iptiQ Europe business to Allianz, then we sold the US Solutions, the Health Solutions business, that was, call it a lead management company that we had. We were busy looking at the individual portfolios, so we had a remaining EMEA Life & Health book, but also the US book, and we could successfully then conclude on the US book. That's also sold. We have the remaining piece, the EMEA Life book, here we decided to send this EMEA Life & Health book into runoff. That's going now into the normal runoff activities and manage runoff as we always do, see what opportunities occur in the runoff process.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

There's no change on iptiQ guidance, which we said should be at around -$50 million in 2027. To the question in Q4, there is an amount of around -$100 million related to the sales of iptiQ.

Operator

Could we have the next question, please? The next question comes from Chris Hartwell, from Autonomous. Please go ahead.

Chris Hartwell
Senior Analyst, Autonomous Research

Hi. A couple of questions, please. First of all, just going back to the life side, I think a building extension from Kamran Hossain's question earlier. If I look at the start point of 2025 and add back the experience variance, that gets me to a much higher number than what you are implying in your 2026 target. I was wondering if you could just help me understand maybe some of the moving parts between I guess what we saw last year and that 2026 target. The second question, just really reflecting back on the renewals, obviously we've seen quite a significant reduction in price.

You and, I think many of your peers have confirmed that terms and conditions have remained stable. I'm just wondering what your feelings are about how much room there is, or willingness there is for CMCs to soften as we go through this year. Obviously, notwithstanding the fact that you have mentioned that the market is fairly balanced. I just wanted to move on your sort of the outlook for terms as we go through the year. Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah. Maybe, maybe I'll start on the Life & Health side, and I think you're absolutely right. If, if I just take the experience variance out and add it back in, I think I get higher. I think we, when we discussed about that before, I think the CSM release was higher than what we expected, and that what we were guiding for, and I think that's something we discussed.

I think we clearly understand this is really driven by the assumption changes themselves, but also just management actions, BAU management actions like recaptures, basically drove the CSM release up. If I normalize for that, I get back to a CSM release of in the range of 8% to 9%. If I then back that back, to take that together with the non-repeat of the experience variance, I get back to the targets that we basically put out for Life & Health.

That's really how to triangulate.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Just quickly on the renewals. Again, I can repeat myself. By the way, there's some good news. The broker reports predicted a steeper decline of rates, and I think that didn't materialize. That's the good news. The market was still broadly, you know, constructive or professional, actually, because there's still demand, you know, but in the negotiations, the reinsurers were stayed pretty disciplined, and the rest will be seen for this year. I'd expect a very competitive market still, nevertheless. The next renewals are the first of April renewals and mainly Japan renewals. Again, Japan is a different market, you know, and different dynamics in the market. We had a good renewal last year, and we'll see what the renewal brings this year.

We will have, obviously, the first of June, first of July renewals in the U.S. Those are the important data points to look at. First, I see still a constructive market. We'll have to see how the buyer's behavior is. The fact is that the buyers all need strong lead reinsurers, and you could see that the market share didn't reduce. We didn't reduce our market share, even though the absolute I mean, the pie was shrinking, that people were taking more risk on their own balance sheet. That created another opportunity for us to go into structured solutions, et cetera. Overall, we were not signed down, they need still strong lead capacity, lead underwriters with the expertise. That gives me comfort for the next renewals.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Chris. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Iain Pearce from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Iain, your line is open.

Iain Pearce
Executive Director, BNP Paribas

Hello. Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just on net operating capital generation. The 21 points net capital generation this year, do you view that as a relatively clean number or a good starting point to use going forward? Obviously, there's a lot going on this year in terms of clean cap, Life & Health Review, but is that a good number going forward? Also, does that new business strain, the 0.5 in the increase in total capital, include the changes in the retrocession programs? That because it's the 1st of January, 2026 number, I think. If you could just clarify those two points, that'd be great. Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

look, I think this is a good proxy for the capital generation. I think in general, that was the year really showed more or less. In certain areas, we obviously had the assumption changes, but other than that, I think it's, you can expect I always guide to around 5.25 percentage points of net capital generation or across capital generation before repatriation. That's a good proxy.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

The target capital, that already includes, the reduction in retrocession. Yeah.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Oh, okay.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

That's already in the capital requirement.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I missed that one. Yeah, that's already, that's all reflected, correct. Yeah.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Vinit Malhotra from Mediobanca. Please go ahead.

Vinit Malhotra
Senior Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Yes, good afternoon. I hope you can hear me. My first question is just, and apologies, bit repetitive, but I want to be clearer from my side. You know, the extraordinary buyback, if you could just please elaborate what conditions we should look at as triggers or a possible trigger for another such extraordinary buyback in the future? That's my first question on extraordinary buyback. Second question is actually on the Nat Cat increased exposure. Just to be very clear, the fact that you have increased your net Nat Cat exposure probably had a favorable impact on the three percentage points of the normal combined ratio. Is that a correct understanding? Are you able to give some idea of how much benefit that was from this strategy? Thank you very much.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Okay. I maybe start again with the extraordinary buyback, and maybe I just kind of emphasize what I, what I said before. I mean, the main part of the call it on our capital return point is dividend and sustainable buyback. I would say, that's the core. If we're in a situation where we have excess capital, and we don't believe that we want to and have the opportunity to deploy it with the right return, that's when we consider An extraordinary buyback. You, you can't bake that in. It's quantitative and qualitative, but that's really the way we think about it. This was, this year, very clear that is qualified.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Just quickly on Nat Cat's question, just to clarify, the renewals are gross. Yeah, that's before retrocession.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

The information on the slide is all gross, and we show you the impact just based on that. Any changes in retrocession are not accounted for in that estimate of the three points.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

The next question comes from Ben Cohen from RBC. Please go ahead.

Ben Cohen
Director, RBC

Hi there. Thanks for taking my questions. I had two questions, please. Firstly, just on M&A, could you just sort of reiterate kind of what your priorities are there? With regards to the deal that you announced last week, should we assume that that will achieve the targets that you have for Corso as a whole, or is there anything that you want to call out there? The second question was just on the return on investments going forward. Do you expect that that yield will rise going into 2026? I just asked because I think there have been periods in the past, say, at the end of, 2024, when you had a very high reinvestment yield and actually the sort of the ROI hasn't, or didn't go up, last year. Thank you.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Let me take the M&A question. Our M&A priorities didn't change. We always were very clear to say we don't see at this stage, any transformational M&A opportunities. What we would look at is additions to the portfolios, and particularly in Corporate Solutions. We said that we are happy to add in the areas, we call them focus growth areas, that are decorrelated to the property and Nat Cat cycles, and that, in particular, was credit and surety, and we were very open about this. We only do these bolt-on acquisitions when they really make sense.

Here, we had the opportunity to add the portfolio that QBE wanted to discontinue or divest, and that, in particular, is a trade credit and surety portfolio, their global portfolio, with a strong presence in Australia. Why is it so interesting? Within the trade credit, within the credit surety book that we have in Swiss Re, it added another nice diversification, all in all, very positive. We will continue to look into those bold on acquisitions if they make sense and if they are in the areas that help us to further strengthen the resilience of our liability portfolio, current liability portfolio.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Yeah, just on the, on the investment, just to reiterate what we have said. The ROI itself was 4%. The recurring investment yield is 4.2% right now, and the reinvestment yield is, was 4.4%. All pretty close to each other. Obviously, when you then calculate, how, over time, how this develops, yes, you bring 4.4% in, but the question is always how much actually goes out? Then you can expect that this has very little impact. It should have slight positive impact, but it depends what actually matures over time. I would expect that to remain pretty stable.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you. Could we have the next question, please?

Operator

We now have a follow-up from James Shuck from Citi. Please go ahead.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Thanks for the opportunity. I just had a couple more things, please. Corso's revenues in the fourth quarter were very weak, were down 10% year-over-year. Just keen to understand that development, please. I also wanted to ask the question on the expense ratio again, which I don't think was answered last time. I just keen to know it went from 4.8 to 5.4. Is that just a temporary jump? Does it go back to 4.8 in 2026? Then just on your new CTO, I thought it was interesting, what are the first priorities for this chief technology officer? Thank you.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Maybe I'll take the Corso one and the CTO, and then maybe you can elaborate on the expense ratio. On Corso revenues, it's very simple. This is the portfolio of the Irish Medex book that was taken over by AXA, and this is to be concreted, $200 million. That is sort of the decline. Corso had some healthy new business opportunities, in particular in the differentiating propositions in international programs and alternative risk transfer. Those were the most attractive ones. On the CTO, it's not a chief technology officer because we already have a chief data and technology officer. It is a chief transformation officer. What is this?

We are in a transformation process, the company went not only on a cultural transformation, but also we were streamlining processes, increasing proximity to markets by delayering the organization. We do have ambitions and concrete use cases also around Agentic AI . This needs to be embedded into the organization, cascade through the organizations from top to bottom, and I think here we need specific focus, in particular on execution, rigor, and delivery here, so that we don't increase, again, the complexity of the organization, which will end up in increased costs again. This is the idea of this new role that we created. AI, but not only AI, is really changing the way we organize our business and the way we process our business.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

Okay, and then on the, on the expense ratio in Corso, I think we saw that increase.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

In P&C, the question was on P&C.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

I thought it was on Corso.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

In P&C, we have some one-off effects from year-end accruals , it's always better to like, look at the full- year number. Last year, we had an impact under the first year of IFRS of some out-of-period adjustment. We would suggest just to look at the full- year 2025 number as the basis.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah, we have seasonality in the, in the cost, project cost, et cetera, that are then coming in late in the year. That's the effect.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Could we have the next question, please? We have time for one more.

Operator

The next question comes from Roland Pfänder from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Roland Pfänder
Deputy Head of Research, ODDO BHF

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two questions, please. First one on Life & Health. Could you speak about your CSM, new business growth ambitions? Let's say, if you strip out large deals, what would be the underlying growth target you have for 2026, 2027? Just to understand it a little bit better. I think it was flat year-over-year for the year. Second question on Corporate Solutions, rates are coming down. Do you need to execute cycle management here, or do you still see some growth pockets like specialty or other things which might keep growing? That would be also interesting. Thank you.

Anders Malmström
Group CFO, Swiss Re

On the growth ambition for Life & Health, maybe before I talk about the ambition itself, I think we have a very strong in-force business here. The in-force itself brings us sustainable ton of new business. I think you saw that kind of, without any large transactions, we were actually able to sustain the new CSM, just through new business CSM. That's really the core here. That's important, and that's what we want to maintain, but make sure that the in-force produces the new business itself. On top of that, we're always looking at transactions. If they make sense, they have to make financially sense, otherwise, we pull back, but that's in a way, the upside. The in-force itself allows us to keep the CSM flat.

Andreas Berger
Group CEO, Swiss Re

Yeah. On the Corporate Solutions side, in addition to rigorous and disciplined underwriting and cycle management, there are obviously business opportunities, in particular, when you look at geographical opportunities. We try to optimize, continue to optimize the setup, and we partner where partnerships make sense. We have a very well run joint venture in Brazil. In those kind of emerging markets, you could expect maybe also some partnership models that we would do, rather than planting the flag and have from scratch organic growth opportunities. This is something that the team is looking at, but in particular, we're looking for expansions in the differentiation that we have in international programs and alternative risk transfer. Alternative risk transfer, why?

Like we discussed it for the large cedants, the primary insurance companies who take our premium from the market, that same phenomenon happens with large corporates. They take on more risk on their balance sheets, and they create their captives. With the captives, we have a leading position in managing, helping captives at the fronting, before the captive, then within the captive, and behind the captive with capacity, reinsurance capacity. It's a unique, one-stop shop proposition, which is very successful.

Thomas Bohun
Head Group Reporting and Investor Relations, Swiss Re

Thank you, Roland. With that, we'd like to thank you all for your interest, for your questions. Should you have any follow-up questions, please do not hesitate to contact any member of the IR team. Thank you again. We wish you a nice weekend.

Operator

Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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