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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 2, 2024

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Badger Infrastructure Solutions Ltd 2024 first quarter results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Lisa Olarte, Director of Investor Relations and Financial Planning. Please go ahead.

Lisa Olarte
Director of Investor Relations and Financial Planning, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2024 earnings call. My name is Lisa Olarte, Badger's Director of Investor Relations and Financial Planning. Joining me on the call this morning are Badger's President and CEO, Rob Blackadar, and our CFO, Rob Dawson. Badger's 2024 first quarter earnings release, MD&A, and financial statements were released after markets closed yesterday and are available on the investor section of Badger's website and on SEDAR+. We are required to note that some of the statements made today may contain forward-looking information. In fact, all statements made today which are not statements of historical fact are considered to be forward-looking statements. We make these forward-looking statements based on certain assumptions that we consider to be reasonable.

However, forward-looking statements are always subject to certain risks and uncertainties, and undue reliance should not be placed on them, as actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. For more information about material assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that may be relevant to such forward-looking statements, please refer to Badger's 2023 MD&A along with the 2023 AIF. I will now turn the call over to Rob Blackadar.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thanks, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our 2024 first quarter earnings call. Before we get into the results, I'd like to take a moment to talk about safety. Safety is at the center of everything we do here at Badger. April was Distracted Driving Awareness Month. Every day, we have thousands of operators and vehicles on the road, and each vehicle is equipped with machine learning AI technology to encourage safe driving habits. Maintaining a Just Drive mindset is crucial for all of our team members when they are behind the wheel. Just Drive is just as it states, eliminating all distractions while in the vehicle so our operators can just drive. Now on to the first quarter results. The team had another strong quarter with record revenues, gross profit, and Adjusted EBITDA.

Our top-line revenue of $161.6 million grew by 13%, driven by the strength of our U.S. operations, which saw a revenue increase of 19% year-over-year. We continue to experience softness in our Canadian markets due to a decrease in overall construction activity, the completion of several large projects on the West Coast, and delayed starts of some significant projects in Central Canada. This overall slowdown in the market led to an increased supply of idle hydrovacs across Canada. We continue to monitor closely the end-market activity in our Canadian region and will align our sales resources as well as our fleet to pivot with the overall demand. We achieved RPT, or revenue per truck per month, of $36,904 in Q1, down slightly from the previous year due to the slowdown in the Canadian market. RPT in the U.S. for the quarter was up 3% compared with last year.

We continue to see growth in Adjusted EBITDA tracking higher than our revenue growth, up 22% year-over-year, driven by improved operating leverage and cost management strategies. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin was 18.1%, up from 16.7% in 2023. And as a reminder, the first quarter is our slowest, most seasonal quarter of the year. The Red Deer plant manufactured 52 hydrovacs this quarter versus 57 units in Q1 of 2023. The fleet team used a seasonally slower quarter to retire 66 units and refurbish eight units. We also took the opportunity to accelerate some Q2 and Q3 retirements from our Canadian region due to the project start delays discussed earlier. We ended the quarter with 1,529 units, growing our fleet by 10% since Q1 of 2023.

Our full-year fleet plan remains unchanged from previous guidance: manufacturing between 190-220 hydrovacs, retiring between 70-90 units, and refurbishing between 35-45 hydrovacs. I'll now turn the call over to Rob Dawson to discuss our Q1 financial results in more detail.

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thank you, Rob. As you saw in our first quarter release, our team delivered another strong quarter of results. We had record first quarter revenue, up 13% from last year, driven by our U.S. operations, which was up almost 19%. Partially offsetting this, our Canadian operations were down 18% from last year due to the reasons Rob mentioned earlier. The team is prepared to execute on our pipeline of projects coming up later this year and into next. Our margins have continued to rise, reflecting the operating leverage gain from our pricing strategies and the scalability of our branch network and support functions. Our gross profit margins were strong for the first quarter at 24.8% compared with 22.9% last year, also driven by our U.S. operations. The trend in our Adjusted EBITDA margins continued to improve at 18.1% compared with 16.7% in the prior year.

Our four-quarter trailing EBITDA margins also continue to grow in line with our long-term objectives. G&A expenses were $10.8 million, or 6.7% of revenue, compared with $8.8 million, or 6.2% of revenue in the prior year. Total G&A expenses were slightly elevated from a run rate over the second half of 2023 due primarily to the timing of IT spend in the first quarter. We continue to expect relatively stable full-year G&A spend. Q1 adjusted earnings per share was $0.14 per share, up 27% compared to the prior year due to the higher adjusted EBITDA margins, offset in part by higher depreciation expense associated with the 10% increase in our fleet and higher right-of-use assets . With revenues up 13%, adjusted EBITDA up 22%, and adjusted EPS up 27%, we are encouraged by the continued scalability and growth in margins. Now on to the balance sheet.

Our capital allocation priorities are unchanged. We continue to maintain a strong, flexible balance sheet to support our organic growth and commercial strategy. Our compliance leverage ended the year at 1.5 x debt to EBITDA ended the quarter, my apologies, down from 1.6 x a year ago. This is up from 1.3x at the end of 2023. The increase from year-end primarily reflects the impact of the payments made under our share-based compensation plans in the first quarter. I will now turn things back over to Rob Blackadar for some final comments. Rob?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thanks, Rob. So before we open it up for questions, a few last comments. We are pleased with our continued strategy to further diversify the company's business across key markets in both the U.S. and Canada. Badger's overall performance continues to scale and grow with broad exposure in our resilient end markets. Badger's long-term growth prospects remain unchanged, and we continue to believe Badger is uniquely positioned to capitalize on the significant opportunity for nondestructive excavation services across North America. Finally, I want to remind everyone that we have our virtual annual meeting of shareholders today at noon Eastern Time, 10:00 A.M. Mountain Time. To get more information, please visit our investor relations page at ir.badgerinc.com. So with those comments, I'll turn it back over to the operator to open it up for Q&A. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity Corp. Your line is now open.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Good morning, Yuri.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Morning, Rob. Nice quarter. I think it could have been even better if Canada had performed like it did even last year. Can you talk a little bit more about the delays that you saw? And it doesn't sound like those projects are going to ramp up until the back half of the year. So just wondering why you weren't able to put those trucks to work in other markets or maybe even move them into the U.S. and put them to work there.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. So a couple of quick things. I'll talk a little bit about the first part of your question, and then I'll talk a little bit about the ability to kind of redeploy the trucks and why we did what we did on our retirements. So regarding the Canadian market specifically, we had been on several large projects for the last few years across Canada. Probably the most notable that most folks, if they work in the Canadian markets, are aware of is Trans Mountain Pipeline. And for our part of that work, it largely ended in Q4 for everything we had going on with that. And that represented a significant amount of trucks. We had a few other large projects as well, but they all were sunsetting at the end of last year.

We have bid and successfully bid on several large projects that we were anticipating being started by now for Q1. So we really weren't expecting much of a hiccup at all and just continuation of keeping the trucks working and on projects. Those larger projects, and we don't give out future projects or current projects we're on, we are, from time to time, we'll talk about past projects. But for competitive reasons, especially in Canada, we're not going to discuss the ones that we're bidding on. But most anyone can Google or figure out what the large projects are coming up. They continue to be delayed. One of them was going to start at the end of Q4. It got delayed to the beginning of Q2, and now it's being delayed to end of Q3, beginning of Q4.

For us, our core business, our regular construction business, and a lot of our utility business is unchanged, remains unchanged, and our trucks are busy. The large projects, though, absorb, on a relatively smaller number of these projects, a lot of our fleet. When these got delayed, we looked at it and said we can either—we had a few options—we can sit on the current trucks we have and just kind of wait for those large projects to start. If they start at the end of Q3, beginning of Q4, we can identify trucks that we were going to retire in Q2, Q3, maybe the beginning of Q4, and maybe we could accelerate that. So we made the decision in Q1 to accelerate those retirements and not carry them if we're not going to keep them busy. We don't make it a regular practice.

We move our trucks all across Canada and all across the U.S., but we don't make it a regular practice to move trucks north and south of the border. Typically, we have what's called FET, or federal excise tax implications, by moving trucks because we actually use these as our-they are purpose-built trucks, vocational trucks. And because of that, we have a lot of duty and tax implications to move them north and south of the border. So when we looked at the fleet and we said it feels like we're going to have some potential excess fleet until these large projects start, we identified some of the oldest units, and we said, "Let's accelerate the retirement of those instead of waiting when we would normal course do it." That's the whole story behind that, Yuri.

There's not a lot of additional color other than what I just laid out for you.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. No, that makes sense. The Canadian outlook - I mean, I think the language in the MD&A changed a little bit. You're not talking about growth now in Canada. So should we expect a kind of a similar quarter in Q2 and then maybe the ramp-up of those projects in Q3 and Q4, but Canada largely down in 2024?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. So my perspective in visiting with our Canadian leaders across the country, they are sharing that the business, the backlog of their day-to-day business, is continuing robust, and we're expecting a normal course season. What's missing is some of these large projects and the volume. So looking at it from a year-over-year perspective, I think you're largely correct that we are going to see lift in Q2. We're going to see lift in Q3 relative to Q1 because we still have a, it's a seasonal business. The summer season is going to be rolling. But I would not be expecting any growth. And as we are looking at some of the projects, if they start in Q4, and again, these have been pushed twice now, but if they start in Q4, we believe we'll have the opportunity to get back to close to even on some opportunities.

It's not so robust that we think that we're going to have any kind of growth across Canada. Rob, I don't know if you want to add anything on that.

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

I have nothing to add to that. I think that was good.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thanks, Yuri.

Operator

Thank you so much. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from the line of Krista Friesen with CIBC. Your line is now open.

Krista Friesen
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the refurbishments, it looks like you continue to do them in Q1. Is that progressing kind of as planned in terms of sorting out all the issues with your suppliers and also just the cost to do the refurbishments as well?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah, absolutely. So we just did an update just the other day with some of the management team and the board and shared the same, Krista, that we're pretty pleased. The eight that we have here are kind of the cleanup. If you remember, there was a little bit of a hangover when we first launched. We put out a lot of our refurbishments out to multiple shops, and we realized there's a more efficient way to do it. These eight are coming from some of those multiple shops and getting cleaned up. We still have a few more of them, not many. And then the trucks that we're seeing coming out of our one focused shop, we're actually seeing the good cost and pricing that we were expecting.

As I think we had said in Q4, it was a little bit harder whenever you have disparate shops and they're doing a one-off or one or two trucks at a clip on the cost to be as controlled as it is when we're funneling them all through one. We're satisfied with the one shop and their cost, but the cleanup on some of the ones that we just have received were just slightly higher. If you remember, we had originally said $125-$150 range, and these were in that $160-ish range. But the shop that we have coalesced on and we're having the main focus of the refurbishments on is well within the range that we've shared with investors.

Krista Friesen
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

Okay. Great. And then maybe just on Canada, the results this quarter, is that really just reflecting the delay of some of these large projects, or are there maybe some issues in pushing through increased pricing in Canada and executing on some of the sales strategy up here?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. Certainly, we've had a pricing focus across the entire company. It's our perspective that we don't believe that pricing is what's driving the volume and lack of volume there in Canada. The reason I feel pretty comfortable with that, Krista, is our CPQ pricing engine actually is dynamic in nature. As the utilization or the business slows down in a certain branch, the pricing actually will decrease to make sure that we don't lose a deal to keep our utilization at a proper level. As utilization increases, obviously, the pricing will increase. With that dynamic pricing model, we don't feel like pricing is what the driver is of the revenue decline. Certainly, we keep an eye on it. We're also just in the early stages of starting to track what we call a lost deal log.

That concept is, if you lose a deal, why are we losing it? Are we losing it to price? Are we losing it to availability, to service levels, or something like that, even to a customer credit issue or something like that? As we're just starting that exercise, we haven't seen any kind of uptick regarding losing a bunch of deals on pricing. We're very mindful of that, though, because very quickly, you can start to lose deals on pricing if you don't keep an eyeball on it. Our head of Canadian operations and our head of sales. They watch it like a hawk. Rob, you want to add anything on that?

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

No, I don't think I have anything else to add on that. I mean, obviously, in the winter season, when utilization is generally low and then it was a little lower than anticipated in Q1, that's not the point in time when we're going to be pressing on price either. So I would say that would just reinforce Rob's comments, that we feel that the work we're receiving and the work we're getting is still representative of the full market available, and it's not just a Badger issue.

Krista Friesen
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

Okay. Great. Thanks for the color. I'll jump back in the queue.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thanks, Krista.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tosin Jaiyeola with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Tosin Jaiyeola
Equity Research Senior Associate, Scotiabank

Hi. This is Tosin here. I'm calling in for Michael. I just wanted to ask, at your recent investor relations day, you spoke about leveraging technology in fleet management, HR, and marketing. I mean, I'd like you to provide an update on how those initiatives are progressing. And should we look at those initiatives as first an incremental cost before it's an incremental benefit? You know what I mean.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yes. Thanks. And yeah, we understand Michael wasn't able to join, so thank you for asking the question. Yeah. So we are progressing. If you remember, we said we're going to start toward the end of the year to start to introduce some leveraging data a lot more for some of the business decisions made within the business. And we are progressing along with that on time and on schedule. We've actually had a couple of key stakeholder meetings since Investor Day in structuring kind of our data warehouse and our data technology and what some of the things are that we're going to start leveraging. So we're pretty satisfied with that.

We built that into our business plan for 2024, so we feel comfortable there's not going to be a bunch of excessive cost tied to or any kind of major expense jumps tied to this data journey that we're starting. We feel pretty comfortable with that. We also believe, though, as the business gets more ramped up leveraging data, that it will actually take and drive more efficiency within the business. We see it today as it sits. We leverage today, right now, a bunch of data on our driving and our drivers' behaviors behind the wheel. We leverage something called Lytx, which is an AI-based and obviously, we are not an AI company, so I'm cautious leveraging the term AI. But in this case, it's an AI-based system that identifies our drivers' behaviors, and it helps coach and helps our drivers drive more safely and more efficiently.

So far, we were chatting about this yesterday in a meeting. We're watching our safety and our statistics and our vehicle incidents and accidents decrease in a big way, and it's tied to leveraging that data. That obviously translates into lower cost regarding insurance, etc. And anything we can do to mitigate all the insurance costs that are increasing by showing that we actually are driving safer, more miles, and with less incidents. That's just an example, but we're going to be doing that on steroids. I don't know if you want to talk anything more about the data, Rob.

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

One example is just this quarter, we've implemented Fleetio, as I think Rob's mentioned a number of times over the past while. That's a fleet management system, and it's providing us with a significant amount of data already. We've already identified opportunities in our maintenance and repair spend, both in planned maintenance and in other opportunities. We think these savings are going to be material, and it's all part of the plan that we have to increase the scalability of the business. That's just one example as we roll out a lot of these data platforms and aggregate it going forward.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah.

Tosin Jaiyeola
Equity Research Senior Associate, Scotiabank

Thank you. Maybe just a final question from my end. I mean, could you also just speak on inflationary trends, labor, maintenance? I mean, whatever color you can provide in that regard?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

So inflation-wise, just like every other business in North America and probably even globally, Badger is not immune to inflation and some of the cost pressures we're getting from our own suppliers and vendors, etc. We've seen some inflationary pressures on our truck build program and from some of our suppliers because we've been steady state on our manufacturing, which we always felt was going to be the case. But we've become a more predictable customer and consumer for some of our suppliers. We are getting inflationary pressures and some cost increases, but I don't believe we're getting them at the same level as we see some of our competitors who are, they're not buying necessarily at the same volume at the same steady state as Badger is.

As far as labor inflationary pressures, just like with everyone else, our employees expect to be paid, and we will pay a fair wage for our employees. We do everyone, for the most part, depending on their situation, gets an annual raise and that type of thing. But there's nothing out of the ordinary that we're seeing unless you want to add anything regarding inflationary pressures.

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. I would say we've disclosed our truck build costs, and you can see that they've really moderated over the last six quarters, I would say, maybe six to eight quarters. We're back into a low single-digit inflationary environment, which was elevated into the double digits two or three years ago. Same thing goes for our operating costs. You see our gross margin ticking up almost 200 points year-over-year at a time when we're seasonally low on revenue, and we do have a pretty good operating leverage/fixed cost environment with our current footprint of branches. Not only is there low single-digit inflation, there's also a lot of very good work that's underway to partially offset the impact of that inflation.

It's in no way it isn't fully within the plan that we laid out at our Investor Day that we would continue to be exposed to this level of inflation. I would say it's all following according to plan so far.

Tosin Jaiyeola
Equity Research Senior Associate, Scotiabank

Thank you. That's all for me.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillies with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

Morning, everyone.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Morning, Ian.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

In the U.S., the operating cadence seemed to do pretty well during Q1 given the plethora of weather issues. Can you talk a little bit about the operating cadence so far in Q2 and how you're thinking about it into Q3 and what your customers may be saying?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Repeat the question. The phone was scratching a little bit, if you don't mind, Ian.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

Oh, apologies. I was just asking about what the operating cadence looks like moving into Q2 in the U.S. and Q3 after the business held up quite well in Q1.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. So right now, for Q2, we have started off, we're pretty pleased with everything we've seen for the month of April. Again, we're on today's May 2nd, so early yet and early into the quarter. But so far, pretty pleased with what we saw at the beginning of the quarter. The biggest thing for us is our in-markets, and we chat about this a little bit in the script, certainly in some of our MD&A and documents and our press release, is kind of the resiliency of the markets and what we have and what we see as far as Badger's footprint and the ability to capture that. Right now, the markets continue to be very strong in the U.S. and very, very pleased. And you have to remember, a significant portion of our revenues are U.S.-based.

And so we feel like we're in a really good position to capture that. A lot of our projects that we've been bidding and winning are starting to build into a nice little kind of a backlog of business going into Q2, the end of Q2, and beginning of Q3. So we're pleased in how it's set up. We're on almost every single major project across the United States, and we're being a lot more hawkish on that than we ever have been in addition to our local business. And we're pretty pleased with that. So Rob, anything you want to add on that?

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

No, I have nothing to add. I think it's just good to point out that although Canada has been a little soft, it really does show the value of the diversification, both in our geography and customer segment base that we talked about that we do talk about. The value of that is really showing clear because the overall results are still in line with what we're planning on our longer-term objectives.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

If I could drill in on that a little bit, just because I'm curious, there's obviously a lot of capital being deployed towards semi-fabs. The CapEx number is, quite frankly, astounding. I was wondering how you're trying to position Badger in and around some of that spending and how you think you can perhaps capture some of that market.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Yeah. So very similar to the previous caller and the question is, we're actually starting to leverage data like the company's never done before regarding our market share in each one of our largest markets. If you remember from both Investor Day and previous discussions we've had, is we have a strategy of focusing on top 10, 12 markets and then looking also at our secondary markets, but really making sure that we are leveraging our market position and the ability to capture and maintain strong market share in each one of those key markets. The upside on that remains very strong. We're very enthusiastic about that. What we're doing, though, is we're now leveraging some data, and we're saying, "What is our market share? What is our utilization? And what are our returns by each one of those markets?

And where do we need to basically the concept, if you think about it from a basketball concept, Ian, feed the hot hand? And if there's markets - and we have several - that are hot in the United States, we're feeding those hot hands. We're feeding the markets that are hitting. And the beauty of our model being vertically integrated, it's just so unique that we can control doing that. And what it does is it continues to allow us to hit these quarters of growth. And one thing Rob and I are very, very proud of our team and our teams in the field is they're not just growing revenue for the sake of growing revenue in the States, but they're also trying to drive additional margins as well. So just very proud of that. And Rob, anything you want to add?

Robert Dawson
CFO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Nothing to add. Yeah.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Okay. So that's our thoughts there, Ian.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

No, that's helpful. And if I could sneak in a third one, and it's a bit more theoretical in nature. The average build cost for a third-party hydrovac now is obviously up significantly from five years ago. And when you look across your markets in the U.S., do you think pricing is anywhere close to reflecting what it needs to be to generate a sufficient return there? Or do you think pricing just naturally has to go higher over the course of time to meet those hurdles?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

I don't see costs ever getting back to either flat or going back down on any of this anytime soon. So absolutely, I feel like Badger has inflationary pressures, but I also feel that some of our competitors in the field, whether they be small mom and pop or a local player with one, two, three hydrovacs, a regional player with maybe 10-20 hydrovacs, or even, let's just say, a private equity type player that maybe has 100 hydrovacs, I don't see any one of those competitors not having inflationary pressures on all of their costs, and especially the truck replacements. So as people get into the business, if you were able to get into some trucks and you were able to pick them up on the used market, $250,000-$500,000.

On the new market, you picked them up in the past at $400,000-$600,000. Those same trucks spec the exact same way or $750,000 and higher as brand new, fresh off the showroom floor. Rob and I have actually been fortunate enough to talk to not only a few competitors, but several customers who have considered buying hydrovacs. And the outlay cost of capital for that is tremendous right now, Ian. I just don't see that going backwards, so.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Stifel

No, that's very helpful. Thanks very much. I'll turn it back over.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Well, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sean Jack with Raymond James Ltd. Your line is now open.

Sean Jack
Senior Equity Research Associate, Raymond James Ltd

Hey, good morning, guys. So I know that you don't have a crystal ball, but just thinking about with how strong U.S. markets are looking right now and some of the past performance that you've been having, is it possible that we see U.S. EBITDA margins hit or exceed the upper end of the range in the back half of the year that was set out in the Investor Day?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Hi, Sean. It's Rob here. I would say it's very premature to be revising the guidance that we provided at Investor Day six or eight weeks ago. So I do believe that there are opportunities, as I said at that meeting, to be in the lower end of that range on a consolidated basis over the next few years. And we still see that opportunity for sure. And there might be some great quarters that pop us into that range, but I think we're going to be more focused on our trailing four-quarter margins, as I mentioned in our prepared script for this call, and making sure that we have sustainable growth on those margins, so.

Sean Jack
Senior Equity Research Associate, Raymond James Ltd

Right. Okay. Makes sense. And then I'm not sure if it was touched upon in an earlier question, but just to do with the Canadian trucks, wondering if there's any opportunities, obviously you're looking to pull retirements forward and recognize the fleet. Is there any opportunities to dispose of them? Is there any sources of demand that you guys could be able to find to look to get a bit of a return on those assets?

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

So yeah, I'll cover that one. This is Rob Blackadar, Sean. Yeah. So we actually dispose of all of our trucks a handful of ways. One of them is through public auctions that are non-reserved, such as Ritchie Bros. or someone like that, Taylor & Martin Truck Auctions. And other things we do is we will sell them on the private market if we feel we can get better on the private market than we can at the public auctions. And we have a whole team that is on the disposition side of it. We do not sell, though we're very similar the way Badger views our fleet. We're very similar to the waste business and similar to the concrete cement business.

In both those industries, they don't sell used trucks as a whole truck on purpose because we don't want to be competing against those same trucks at a much lower cost basis because we believe we have a pretty strong truck. And so just like in the waste business or the cement business, they will take their tool off the back of a chassis. It could be a trash compactor. It could be a cement bowl, a cement mixer. They remove the component off the back. We do the same thing with our hydrovac. We remove the hydrovac componentry off the back. We will refurbish or repurpose it for used parts for other trucks within our fleet, and we sell just the chassis. Do I suspect if some future time we wanted to sell our whole units, we could get some really strong pricing? Probably.

But we would also potentially be competing against our own trucks that in our world, we've never had that program in place, and I don't see us changing that model today.

Sean Jack
Senior Equity Research Associate, Raymond James Ltd

Right. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. Thanks. That's all for me.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Okay. Thanks, Sean.

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Rob Blackadar for closing remarks.

Robert Blackadar
CEO, Badger Infrastructure Solutions

Thank you, operator. On behalf of all of us at Badger, thanks to our customers, our employees, suppliers, and shareholders for your ongoing support that drives Badger's success. Operator, you may now end the call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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